中級西班牙語 西班牙語播客 女孩間的情誼

Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Dream podcast by Agustina from Argentina. And I'm Natalia from Colombia. Agus, how are you? Very good, I'm very happy to be here with you once again. We always have topics They have a lot to talk about, a lot to say, and I think today's topic is one of those. Absolutely. Tell us what we're going to talk about today. Today we are going to talk a little about relationships between women, particularly relationships of friendship, friendships between women, and some concepts that became very famous or very popular recently. This thing about girlhood or sisterhood, right? About sorority, Is it real, or is it something that's been romanticized? Wow! Great topic, Agus. There's so much to discuss, and I'd like to start by saying I think it's very cultural. I believe it works differently in various parts of the world. I, for For example, I grew up in an environment where competition among women was something very present, in a a culture where from a young age we were taught that women competed against each other. Normally for a man's attention, or for a man's love, or for status, but it's something that I personally never adapted to or adopted, because I don't identify with it, but I do It is part of the cultural context. Yes, I think generally that was something very popular worldwide, wasn't it? an idea among women, there is competition over who is prettier, who is better one, whose boyfriend is the cutest. And it's true that I think the vast majority of these things were always about a woman's ability to catch a man, weren't they? Like if a woman's worth were tied to her ability to have a boyfriend or a husband, then Today, at least from the Argentine perspective, isn't it? From my experience and in this context The society is very strange and very disturbing; I just don't like it at all. Completely, and I think that has also been changing over time. I don't know, for example, my mom. My mom She had a couple of friends throughout her life, and these friends were truly very treacherous. There was a lot of envy among them and a lot of comparison, and that's something I noticed when I was small, and I didn't like it at all, obviously, and it's something I decided to keep very far from me Friendships. Then, personally, with my friends, we have always had a very strong relationship, very genuine, very sisterly, but this isn't what you normally hear. For example, I don't know if you've I've heard that kind of thing about friends having envy, jealousy, and those kinds of collective beliefs. Yes, yes, I think... Well, actually, ever since I was very young, I heard this idea that women are complicated, aren't they? This popular belief that you hear everywhere about... No, it's not that... Women are difficult, women are complicated, and the truth is that I experienced that in school. primary school because in my primary school it was quite a small school, right? The grades, the classes were Very few people, and particularly for my year, my class was quite bad because we were only four. There were five women, and the rest were all men. Wow! Amazing—only five girls. Exactly, there were only four or five girls, and I remember those years were very difficult because, Of course, obviously, right? Looking back, retrospectively, I think we were all just different, aren't they? And really, in a more normal context, with more girls around, we wouldn't have We were friends. Since the five girls in the course didn't have much in common, we weren't Very compatible, so I think naturally, with more girls, we wouldn't have become friends. We would have had different groups. But since we were only five, it was as if there was no other option. option, and that's what he did throughout elementary school—having friends became unbearable. It was very difficult. There was always drama, always envy, always two people who would conspire together. and they fought against the other two, leaving one aside, ignoring her, and it was truly unbearable. so I lived a bit of that stereotype of women being complicated and this and that during The primary school, I have to say it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's intense. For me, it's the opposite, it's happened the other way around. Like, I think we discussed this in a previous podcast, but I've always had female friends. I hardly ever had male friends, so I guess it's the opposite for you—I think you have more. Guys, men who have girlfriends, women who have boyfriends—surely because of that experience, right? Yeah, it's weird. The truth is, I hardly have any friends, I mean, it's all good, right? There are a few We talk from time to time, but I didn't maintain those relationships, those relationships didn't last. time, but even in high school, yes, I think that in high school my group of friends It was varied, like half men, half women, and now that I have to think about my closest friendships... Close by, it's true that I have many male friends, however, I always remain my best friend. No? The closest or strongest friendship I've ever had was always with a woman, I think. How beautiful that is, I believe. what is important is that something that makes a friendship genuine is the fact that you rejoice in the other person's achievements, supporting them at every moment, and that is something that in some friendships among women or even among men, it's not present; there's a lot of competition, and I think It comes from the culture of telenovelas, from music, from the stories of our grandmothers, from ours mothers and how to gradually transform that—I think that's very important. Yes, I believe that, well, I don't know if it's A particularly female issue, isn't it? I feel it's discussed much more and dramatized a lot. more so when it happens among women, but I think envy also exists among men, and there is also resentment, I don't know, but I completely agree with you. I've had some experiences with where I realized that a person who was supposedly my friend wasn't really there for me there, not out of friendship, but out of interest. It happened to me a lot at school because I was doing very well academically. school, academically speaking, and I had many girls approach me because they wanted to work on projects They wanted to be in the same group as me. Just then, the exam season had arrived. Of course, they were my friends who asked me for my notes and my study materials, and yes, yes, I experienced that. And also From one side, as a general, I remember having this friend who was taller than me, and when We met as if she were older than me, I was a bit younger, and she kind of stayed a little ahead of me. Everything she said, right? Naturally, she was more like a teenager, while I was more of a little girl. And I kind of admired her, and then she would come up with an idea, wanting to do something, and I would do it, and I wouldn't I was questioning her, not asking her anything. It was as if I did what she wanted, and then when I I started growing, and we were both teenagers, of course, I began to develop more personality, more personal experiences, more ideas, and we started clashing a lot, and looking back, in retrospect, I think it was a matter of envy, because every time I told him something good that happened to me, Every time I had a good opportunity or experience, she would bring me down, she would undermine me As a negative response, right? Something very typical when someone is envious of you and you're just not aware of it. until you have a healthy relationship, then when you have a healthy friendship with someone, as you were saying, That one who rejoices for you, who supports you—there you realize there was something strange and wrong about the other one. Relationship. Total, and hopefully one could realize that in time, right? In time, but usually not. because we believe in the other person, because we have blind faith in that friendship, and over time you gradually drift away realizing that maybe she wasn't so genuine after all. And in your case, didn't you have experiences like that? of friendships based on interest, or, I don't know, maybe in the world of acting, which is a very world Competitive and all that, didn't you have any negative experiences like that? Hundred percent, I do have an experience. Just one, fortunately, of... but one that left me absolutely traumatized. I'm afraid. Because, of course, I've always had very beautiful-hearted friends, like sisters. I never expected this to happen, but then הבי favorito I had a friend who was very, very deep in my heart, because when you're traveling and living In another country, when you meet a friend, she quickly becomes like a sister or family. because you're far from home. So, this girl and I were super close, we were always together We did everything together, and suddenly one day we were invited to shoot a music video, and then In that musical video, I was the protagonist with a boy who liked me, and then I... I was very happy, I hadn't realized this before; I was happy celebrating that I was going to be the protagonist of this music video, and at one point my friend, in quotes, said to me, hey Nati, come here, Let's go to your car because I left something there. I left my purse, I left my wallet, I left something, and I told him Of course, let's go! And when we got to the car, she took something blue in her hands. I don't remember very well, he pointed it toward my eyes, and started pouring a liquid into my eyes, and I I started to feel my eyes melting and my skin melting, and I began screaming, "Help!" Help! I mean, it was the worst sensation in the world. It turned out that was pepper spray. My heart's friend, my soul's sister, had sprayed pepper spray into my eyes. What? Hey, but she was, she was really crazy, she was really messed up. Yeah, and do you know what's worst? It happened. All of this, I didn't know what it was that she had thrown on my face; I was very frightened. I felt intense burning, intense pain, and then the next day, she brought me roses to the house. He told me, friend, it was an accident, please, believe me, it was an accident, I didn't know what That's what it was, and I believed him. Why? Because I loved her so much, I loved her and appreciated her so much. that didn't fit in my head, I couldn't believe she could do something like that, and yet I believed her Everyone around me was telling me, no, no, no, she's very envious of you. She's jealous of you, obviously she did that on purpose, and I didn't, no, no, no, how could you even think that? She's my friend, how could she do that? For about two or three years, I was convinced that She hadn't done this on purpose, but after a while, I started thinking and began Reflecting on it, I realized many of her behaviors confirmed that she probably did. That was on purpose so that I wouldn't be in that music video with the guy she liked. My God, what mental issues, huh? I mean, your friend was crazy, completely crazy. No, it's very painful; it was very painful for me because, because when there's a friendship like that, The most important thing is trust, and I can sometimes end up being very naive with people. People I love, and that's difficult for me because often I have these events Right in front of me, and I don't want to see them, or I can't see them, so it was very, very painful. Yes, of course, because at that moment you didn't expect it, and I think naturally one is How can you expect reciprocity, expect the other person to respond in kind, for what you receive from them to be the same? to what you give, then if you have a friendship that is very sincere and very deep for you, and if you you care about that person, you care for them, you worry about that person, it's as if you naturally assume that On the other hand, it's the same, it's reciprocal, and sometimes it's very, very hard to realize that No, that's not how it is. Totally, how intense. And do you believe in, say, this term called girl code? As for typing codes among girlfriends, among women, well, among men too, but in this case specifically, like, don't mess with your friend's ex, keep their secrets, like, you know, between us Women protect those codes of friendship. Do you think that's possible? Do you think that's necessary? Well, I think it's kind of weird to say "girl code," isn't it? I mean, I feel like those kinds of things, Those things you said, right? Like, you know, keeping a secret or not getting involved with your ex, I mean, It's basic respect. Basically, total, but now it's a term, right? Like girl code. sisterhood, right? Girlhood. For me, it's something natural—that if you're a good person, a person It's reasonable, with a friend you care about and love, you'd do those things. I don't know, I just feel that It's a bit strange, isn't it, if you're talking about an ordinary person? Like when you saw yourself once in a Party because she's my sister's friend's cousin and, out of nowhere, girl code—no, I mean, I don't even know you. No, no, no, let's not, right? I mean, we don't even know each other, but I feel that when you're talking about friendships It's not about any code, but about respect, I don't know, and trust. And yes, I feel the same as every The situation is very particular, isn't it? But, for example, getting involved with your ex—is that really necessary? I always ask the same thing: out of all the people in the world, is it necessary that it be you? Did you like your friend's ex? Go ahead. Honestly, to me, he's just like a former boyfriend, a story, a dating thing. Whatever belongs to my friend is untouchable, I mean, please, stay at least a few meters away. It's just that she's very Rare, that is, I think it also depends, but because I believe it's a bit different in Colombia and in Argentina. Here it's very common to be with someone once and never see them again. And by For example, at school, at the academy, right? It was like everyone was getting along with everyone else, it was quite nice Disgusting, honestly, I never really liked it much, but everyone knew each other so well, and there, like that that thing about the codes was more relaxed, because it was literally everyone being together Everyone, then if it was something like that casually, it's as if it doesn't matter, but if it was something more like More serious, more sentimental, isn't that right? So it does matter, as if there were levels. It has... it has sense, it makes sense. What do you think about this on social media? I think it's a very, very great. All this makes me think that many times when a girl posts a photo or there is a A news story about a celebrity girl, such as how if you read the comments, many times They're the same girls attacking each other, aren't they? Fat, ugly, tatatatatata. You read it and they're girls. the ones attacking other girls. That's like... like, I mean, why, no? Yeah, it's kind of... Illogical, isn't it? Because I think what's most bizarre is that this happens at the same time as a feminist narrative. of being aware that we all experience certain negative things regarding self-esteem, and how For years, our worth was based on the physical, wasn't it? The need to support each other, to be there for one another. Another. Then I really do find it very strange, because it's like how they can coexist, how they can exist together. at the same time, these two narratives. On the one hand, this movement of support, of containment, of understanding, and at the same time you then see that many times it is the same women who are there criticizing and insulting other women. But anyway, I guess, you know, bad people will always be around There has always been, it's nothing new, and in the end I think that's it. It could be envy, it could be Insecurity, it can be evil, but I think that kind of thing will never truly end. I don't know, what do you think? This topic? Totally, I agree. I think regardless of genre, there will always be people who are full of poison inside, bitterness, hatred, and are going to reflect that through the world. But I do find it romantic, and I love the idea of thinking that yes, we do support each other, that We admire each other, we feel proud of one another. It's beautiful when that happens, I mean, obviously I'm very romantic, but I love feeling the support of women, I also love it when I can compliment a girl and Say to her, "Hey, you're so beautiful, so lovely, so intelligent, so powerful, you do your job so well. I mean, Things like this feel good, so between us, it's awesome, Pigsein, how cool that This could be naturalness. Yes, I also believe something very important and very good happened. In recent years, it has also been this sense of community and support during difficult times and in difficult situations. Completely, so then I think in that sense we could say and conclude that Sisterhood, girlhood—these new terms are real, and they're also romanticized. Both things. Yes, it's like a balance; I think, on one hand, it's true that there are many things there. that we share with women experiences, things we've gone through, where we truly A woman can understand you and accompany you, and very deep bonds can be formed. On the other hand Part of this is simply being a good person, which is independent of gender. It's not about respect and being good. And part of this, let's say it openly, is also marketing, because there are many Companies and brands that benefit from these terms and these movements, right? Of course, yes. All this stuff about accepting yourself as you are, as a woman, all this topic about women and the Sororidad has also carried out many powerful advertising campaigns to sell products. As with everything, in the end it becomes marketing. That's right, that's right. And well, guys, in the comments Could you tell us a bit about your experiences with this topic—how you see it, how you live it? Even if they're not women, they can still see it, I don't know, desire it.