Toxins Are Making you SICK (How to Detox With Herbs) Dr. Patrick Jones

Hey you guys welcome to this week's edition of the pantry chat food for thought this week We're having on one of my favorite guests is that is that not nice to say should I not say that? He is though because he just makes me laugh. His laugh is so contagious and that is dr Patrick Jones now. I don't even feel like I should have to introduce him because he's been a guest here Several times on the pantry chat and he's definitely somebody that I always turn to or herbal wisdom But not just any herbal wisdom wisdom when I'm looking for something really practical really down-to-earth and really accessible Dr. Jones is who I go to it's just hands down for those of you guys don't know him Dr. Jones has seen the power of herbs bless the lives of his veterinarian patients and His human clients for years as a result He grew an evangelical zeal to teach others about these wonderful plants His passion has given rise to the homegrown herbalist LLC a company that is dedicated To teaching others the principles of botanical medicine medicine so that they can be more Self-sufficient and have a better quality of life Doc does a lot of lecturing workshops and herb walks to help people roll up their sleeves and get beyond the theoretical and into real applications the culmination of his passion for teaching others is the homegrown herbalist school of Botanical medicine, so we're gonna bring Doc Jones on in just a moment but the Thing that I wanted to talk about with him today is actually herbal cleansing because Doc Jones just actually released a whole book called the homegrown herbalist guide to herbal cleansing and supportive therapy This is a great book, you know anything doc Jones is right it right is a great book Because he's just so practical just so down-to-earth and he makes it just so incredibly accessible Whether or not you have a lot of herbal knowledge So that just always makes me really excited and of course you guys know we've been going through our own cleansing journey here We're gonna talk about that a little bit in this episode and so I really wanted to get Doc Jones thoughts on herbal cleansing from a DIY perspective as a home herbalist what we can all do at home to cleanse our bodies of all the toxins that we deal with here in our modern world, so When I saw that he had this book out, I just knew that we had to talk about it He gave me a little introduction to the book But I wanted to read to you guys before we get to talking and that is that the world is full of herbal cleanses Many of them are of little benefit Some are downright dangerous Learn from Dr. Patrick Jones what cleansing should really mean and how to do it in ways that give the body What it achieve what it needs to achieve peak performance this book covers the how's and why's of cleansing each organ and system and gives a full protocol for supporting and Cleansing the body using highly nutritious and supportive plants It also gives deep information on the cleansing actions of over 30 Remarkable herbs. 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Yeah, it's always great to get to have you You are probably one of the favorite guests here on the pantry chat Everybody loves it when you get to come on and share some of your wisdom about all things herbal With us so it's fun to have you back Yeah, well, you know when I heard that you had written a new book I got really excited because a lot of you guys a lot of you listeners know that Josh and I have been on our own Detoxing journey actually for about the last year. It was Somewhere early last year that we did some lab work and found out that we had some Really high levels of glyphosate of all things in our system Josh had a few more things than that. And so we've really been on a detox journey for this last year I'm actually waiting doc in about two days. I'm supposed to get my retesting lab work back To see how the detox process has gone for us and make sure that we've dropped those toxin levels down but you know the way I did it was I really went a Working with a practitioner route, which was great. It's been a great experience But I've got to say it's kind of an expensive way to go Especially when we have all of these great herbs at our fingertips So when I saw that you had written this book, I got super excited because this really puts Cleansing Into kind of like outreach for everybody sort of a topic So yeah, this is really should be it's a very natural thing. We've been doing for As long as people have been puttering around on this planet. Yeah Yeah That's great so I guess I want to start right at the very basic in the very beginning because One thing that I've heard from a lot of people out there is this idea that We shouldn't have to do cleansing because we have organs in our body that does the cleansing for us So, why do we even have to do anything? In order in fact, I've even had people say all cleansing is a hoax That that's all quackery of some sort because your liver is busy doing it for you The whole time so you don't really need to do that. What do you think about that? Well, I think in some in some ways they're absolutely right and You know for most people when they think about a cleanse You know They're thinking about all kinds of things that that you know nature and God never intended for to have happen to our bodies So they're they're correct in that the organs are Doing the job But We also are living in a much different world than our ancestors were living in, you know, not even very long ago and so it doesn't hurt at all to support and You know provide for those organs so they can do a better job And and that's sort of the attack that I take with cleansing is is to support the organs that are doing it Not by over stressing them or beating them up or making their life miserable but by giving them the resources they need To do their job and when you do that, you feel better and you get rid of things. So yeah Yeah, that seems that seems reasonable. So would you say then that nap that cleansing is natural? I Think it's absolutely natural. I think it's something that humans have been doing and animals have been doing every spring Forever You know, you go through a long winter of too much fat and too much protein and too much carbs Because that's all you can store all winter Right, so that's all you're eating and every spring we would come out of our cabins or you know, the animals out of their dens or whatever and and the whole world is full of wonderful green things and fruits and and plants and Eating that because it's what was available Was the way that we used to clean out the system from a long winter of Eating stuff that wasn't ideal, you know, so yeah, I think it's perfectly natural You know that that just fits in so well of what we've been talking about here on the pantry chat quite a bit actually is Like seasonal eating and the benefits of when you're actually eating what you're supposed to eat Especially if it's nutrient-dense and like right out of your garden or right out off of a farm. That's really Using really good practices for soil health is that you get those spring Vegetables right when you need them in the spring right when they are the most robust, you know It I don't think it's an accident that asparagus and rhubarb or some of the early spring things that come out of the ground They've got these deep tap roots that are going down They're grabbing all of these minerals that have gotten washed down in the soil Bringing them back up into their plant mass and then we eat them It's like taking a vitamin, you know a mineral supplement But in natural form in a way that's super available to our bodies and it does wonderful things for us at the right time of year Yeah, absolutely and and seasonal eating is is really smart and if we thought about it for a minute and thought about You know What would our ancestors have been eating this time of year? It's very different than what we would and we should think about it when we're sitting in the drive-thru You know, but That's a good thing to think about things like this, but anyway, um, you know the amount of meat that we eat is Excessive, you know, I'm not a guy that doesn't eat meat at all I eat very little meat because I you know, I don't like meat. It doesn't or meat doesn't like me, you know But you know most of the meat Historically would have been eaten in the fall and in the winter when there weren't other resources, you know and And in the summer, we would be eating like you said all the greens and the fruits and the vegetables You know winters for starchy meaty fatty stuff and spring and summer for all the other things. Yeah Well, you think about what what stores well during the winter, you know, you've got your roots veggies You've got your you know, maybe your preserved food if you're putting up some food But that's gonna be minimal if you're having to survive on it you're gonna do what stores itself well just because you don't have the time and the energy to Be out there canning things all day long And then cured meats like salted or smoked meats. Those are the things that really store very easily So yeah, that makes a lot of sense So when we're talking about cleansing Why would we want to do it like why would we want to cleanse? What are the signs that we need to cleanse maybe as even a better way of saying it? Well, I think Those are two different questions, they're both good questions The first question is why we want to and the answer is because we're eating all kinds of garbage. There's some food, you know And and even the homesteaders even the really devout great homesteaders. We're still eating a lot of stuff That it that really isn't It's shaped like food and it tastes great, but I mean somehow Josh and I both got glyphosate of all things like we grow what 80? Plus 85 percent of the food we consume we're growing right here on ground that we know We're not putting glyphosate on and somehow we were like off-the-charts toxic with the glyphosate and so it's like it's coming in somewhere So, yeah, it gets in our well, yeah, and it's and it's wildly wildly Overused. I mean, it's it's now part of agriculture to spray stuff with glyphosate As part of the harvesting process, you know kill all the potato tops with with glyphosate or whatever root vegetable it is You know and like like none of that's gonna get absorbed and it'll all be fine. We'll harvest it in a few days It'll all be great You know and it stays in the lack ground for years, you know if I understand it, right But yeah, so I'll tell you it stays in your body for years. I can tell you that because I'm walking you know that so Exactly exactly because you know for a fact That I mean I've been to your place. I know how you guys eat and You're not running to the grocery store to get you know GMO one white bread, you know Chips and chocolate, let's not be insanely extreme But yeah, you know it's it's not coming in from our soil we've tested our water we've tested like everything that we can test And you know, we're getting tiny amounts we found coming in in animal feed, but even that was not anywhere near enough So we clean up our animal feed but it's persisted in our bodies for who knows how long Probably since we lived off of agricultural fields over a decade ago In California when they were spraying things and so it's probably still in our bodies from that. Hopefully now it's gone, but it does last It's it's because it lasts it's cumulative too. Yeah, you know So if you're not getting rid of any and you're continuing ingesting it Those levels are just gonna go up and up and up and you know, we we wonder Why there's so many health problems in this country, you know, and and then you look at the things we're eating And it's just insane, you know the things that are in the water The you know, the pharmaceuticals that are in the water because a lot of the pharmaceuticals That we ingest are excreted completely unchanged By the kidneys and the liver, you know, just get them out of here. We're not changing anything We're just getting rid of them. They go right back into the water system And so we're drinking all kinds of the pharmaceuticals if you live in on city water, you know and And it's in the food. It's just anyway all kinds of bad stuff's getting into it. So those are reasons to cleanse the toxins but also the food itself You know isn't what we're supposed to be eating the grains are so refined the carbohydrates are so refined That they're not moving along and getting cleaned out like they did in the good old days, you know, we're not eating Fresh, you know raw Vegetable material like we would have done not very long ago to the levels that we got to We're not drinking water anymore You know, I mean, yeah That's one of the very first things I ask people when they come in, you know On a console situation. How much water are you drinking? And I get a lot of you know, this girl. Oh, well, you mean like like I do like sugar-free decaffeinated pop. Does that count? No, you know that actually doesn't count Well, and I think to your point, you know, I had a good friend who was very health conscious but she had migraines all the time terrible migraines and she went and she'd worked with doctor after doctor and finally somebody said I want you to measure the amount of water that you're actually drinking and She realized that she thought she was drinking a lot of water But she actually wasn't and as soon as she increased that water intake the migraines almost I think she cut him down to a third Yeah, which is huge when you have debilitating migraines like that and you're you know, it's stopping you from living life But but yeah, even when we think we're doing well, we're not always doing that great Yeah, have her take some lemon balm, too. That's fantastic. Sometimes for I guess Miss a lemon balm tea that would almost count if it was for migraines water Water there you go you double up So, so that's why we'd want to our bodies are slowed down by the the quality of the food We're eating nowadays and then we're getting toxins on top of it And so it's like everything the processing of everything is slowed way down I think is what I'm hearing you say and so we need to support our body and dealing with all these toxins What is what's the sign then like would we see signs that would tell us we need to cleanse? well, I think I Think there's all kinds of signs, you know low energy You know brain fog Susceptibility to illness Digestive irregularities, you know Just all kinds of things Depending on what's The thing that's built up that's bothering you, you know, those symptoms could vary but you know If you don't feel great and things are just not going well Why not, you know, why not clean up and give your body some I mean, even if we didn't clean anything We're giving fabulous nutrition to your body with all these plants, you know, so I Mean if somebody said it doesn't do any cleansing at all. Okay, great. I'm still gonna do it It's really good for you Nutritionally, you know, it's still a win. Yeah, you know something that you just touched on that I think is probably worth mentioning Many years ago probably a couple decades ago now. I was working with an herbalist just just for some increased health and She asked me about my energy levels and at that point, you know I had a couple little kids running around and so I said something like well, you know, I get tired in the afternoons but that's normal and She said to me Anything less than having energy for your day until it's time to start winding down and go to bed is not normal And that was mind-blowing to me because you know in mom's groups. It's kind of this. Well, I'm I'm always tired. I'm a mom I'm always tired, you know, and she was like anything less than robust health is not normal And it's not healthy and it's a sign that we've got something imbalanced in your body And I think in our modern world We're just so accustomed to like well Everybody like the list of things you just said was like brain fog low energy digestive upset Like do I know anybody who doesn't complain of those? It's kind of normal, but it doesn't mean it's healthy. Yeah, so if you're a human in a first world country that So when we're cleansing what is it that we're trying to accomplish with our bodies so so really what you're trying to accomplish and there's all kinds of Disastrously bad ideas out there. I mean such bad ideas what you ought to be trying to accomplish is To support normal function. That's what you ought to be trying to accomplish what you ought to be Trying to accomplish is to eat things and ingest things That your liver and your kidneys and your guts and all the guys that are overworked and underpaid Say, oh, wow, that's great. I've been dying to have some of that, you know, and they couldn't do their job better you know, it's it's Nutritional but it's also there are chemicals in plants There's you know, phytochemicals and plants that our organs respond to in a very positive way, you know, there's there's Diuretics that make your kidneys work better. There's liver tonics that make your liver work lots better There's there's plants that make the gut more active and and have natural fibers and stuff in it that are cleansing, you know, and so There's and there's plants that break down excess mucus in the gut like like mullet, you know Campaign and so you can Give the body what it needs and it'll solve its own problems really is kind of the sum of it And and when you do that There's there's there really is a transformational change, you know, I had years ago I was doing a YouTube thing. I was doing a podcast or something on like a webinar on YouTube and And I happened to mention just You know in passing, you know If you really want your life to change throw a spoonful of burdock in your smoothie, you know burdock root your smoothie, right? Two things happened first of all when I got to work the next day Lucy who's my daughter and is the general manager Well, can we said did you say burdock during your webinar? Yeah Number one number two I started getting emails, you know about a week later the email start rushing in like holy cow I can't out believe how much better I feel. Hmm, and you know, that's one plant You know and it's burdock does two fantastic things. First of all, it has lots of fiber in it, which is cleansing It's all well, it does. Well, I'm not gonna say how many things it does a lot of things We'll just start counting okay, it's got a lot of fiber which is cleansing that's great. It has a lot of fiber which feeds your micro Organisms that are the good guys which modulate everything, you know from Neurotransmitters to immune support to digestion of a lot of things I mean those guys do all kinds of stuff. They outnumber us ten to one For our body cells, maybe we should be nice to them, you know Number one and it also Is a liver tonic and it's a kidney tonic. So I mean what you know, what does burdock not do, right? No, honey, and even just one spoonful of the powder of that and it's safe when you're pregnant It's you know, it's just super safe wild margins people write me. Oh, yeah. Gee, I don't I don't have to take I have you profaned for my sore knees anymore and I You know, I feel better and my guts are better and my psoriasis went away and I mean they're just all kinds of emails from one simple little thing that You know isn't expensive and tastes pretty good and it's really good for you You know and all they were doing is give the body what it needs and it'll fix itself You know, that's that's kind of been my mantra over the years. I Totally love that about herbs that you know instead of like a pharmaceutical that forces an action on the body It like makes your body do something You know picture your body being held hostage and like forced to do something Yeah herbs on the other hand work totally differently, which is why you have to change your mindset when you're using them They they work by nourishing your body systems to allow them to make the adjustments themselves that need to be made in your body But in order to do that, you can't just like take a pill and call it good, right? Right, you have to actually continue to take it. You have to take it regularly You have to think of it more like food than you think of it as a drug And so it's a different mindset on herbs and the other beautiful thing about herbs Is that a pharmaceutical has one chemical in it, right one chemical and the plant has dozens of chemicals And it's sort of like You know you're giving You know a buffet to your body and it can say oh, that looks good. I want some of that You know, it just picks whatever phytochemistry or vitamins or nutrients it wants out of that plant based on its need You know instead of giving it a popsicle, you know They even better things beyond that is that a lot of times those different compounds that are in one plant or synergistic and they actually help each other to work better and you look at that and you're like Wow, it kind of looks like somebody designed this right What what is that? Like I was like he was doing, you know Let's let's go with that. Oh, yeah Yeah, there's you know, there's there's herbs. There's chemicals in that plant that make the other chemicals work better that make them Easier to absorb or eliminate, you know minimize side effects. I mean, it's a package deal and And we've gotten into this reductionist culture. It's the same thing. We're doing with our food, you know, take all the nasty parts out You know like the green things. Yeah, like the green like the fiber Vitamins Yeah, I mean years ago, you know Chinese medicine has I mean they use Historically have used food as therapy, you know, if you have this illness take broccoli and have some cauliflower, you know They're doing all the herbs and acupuncture and other stuff too. But food was a huge part of it because food used to be medicine It used to have all kinds of stuff in it That they've bred out of it so that it's prettier and sweeter and last longer on the shelf and yada yada But it's not the same stuff. Your great-grandma was eating. Yeah Yeah Well, if there was ever a commercial for homesteading there it is right there By heirloom seeds and poke them in your own dirt Josh that you said dirt instead of oil. That's okay. We'll just let In our house, we all have our alarm that go off in our heads whenever we say dirt We're like was I supposed to say dirt or soil? Okay, so you talked about some of the really bad ideas in cleansing I think a lot of those come from these misconceptions of what a cleanse should be What let's talk about some misconceptions on cleansing Well, there's there's a lot of things they do wrong First of all, one of the things that you're on is they do it way too often you know and and You know some herbs are fantastic tonic everyday great things, you know Spoonful of burdock spoonful of nettle powder in your smoothie do that every day for the rest of your life That's that's a great idea, but you don't want to take, you know, barberry every day for us your life Some of these herbs are a little more intense a little more Purpose driven and we don't want to overwork and exhaust things, you know and so You know, you should never do a cleanse that's painful or you know, some of these cleanses like You know They think that part of the cleanse is that you be curled up on your bathroom floor in the fetal position wishing you were dead For 12 hours, you know, that's part of the cleanse and they warn you about it We know we're having you drink a quart of olive oil and then taking lots of kohlrabi herbs And you'll wish you were dead, but you won't die and you'll feel great in a few days after you recover Let's not do a cleanse, you know that you don't dare be more than six feet away from your bathroom That's not how it's supposed to be it's supposed to think about it The effect on your body should be the effect that you would have Stepping out of your cabin into a beautiful spring pasture and eating fresh vegetables and fruits That's the effect and sure you're gonna loosen up a little bit because that's lots of fiber and vitamins and things That's that's normal, but it's not gonna keep you from going to work. It's not gonna be painful, you know and You know, it should be a much more natural process So, you know, I mean I when I wrote this book I I did some research on internet cleanses, you know There's a little section there of some of the warnings, you know Warnings about awful things that are gonna happen And there shouldn't be any of that I mean if you read the cleanse and your eyes get great big and you start getting alarmed and thinking maybe I shouldn't do Don't Listen to that little feeling So, you know over intensity over frequency Anything unnatural, you know drinking a large amount of oil is unnatural, you know, you don't do that When in nature is that gonna happen, you know, and then there's other things there's you know Things that involve rubber hoses being poked places, you know, I mean when does that happen in nature? you know, and so I just think that Do it in a way that your body has no trouble at all interpreting what you're trying to help it with Recognizes every single thing that came in and You know those kinds of things So anyway, that's and then then the other thing is people do Cleanses where like it they'll do a juice cleanse and Do nothing but juice or water for a long time So people have prolonged fasting where they where they only will do water for a long time or juices And and that's just a bad idea. You know, that's that's Terrific malnutrition and stressful to you. You're now you're stressing your organs Because they don't have the nutrients they need to do their jobs You know It's just it's just a bad idea it's not a natural thing and intermittent fasting, you know for a little while 24 hours Every month or so. That's really good for you. You know, I mean they've done all kinds of research on that and prolonging your time between Meals it I mean there's all kinds of people have done all kinds of crazy research and found all kinds of wonderful things about Managing our eating times and having some little intermittent short-term fasts Those are all good for us and that's natural too if you think about it, you know if our ancestors were living off the land You know, they're probably work times You know once in a while where you weren't getting anything neat today because the deer ran faster and you did You know Or their crops, you know had we had an early frost and so rock any peaches this spring and we're gonna have a week with You know, I mean or whatever I mean the life was harder and there were times when we weren't just constantly able to Eat, whatever we wanted. So anyway Yeah, I love that. Those are great thoughts and You know being careful of what we're doing to our body Somehow we've lost a lot of common sense I think and I think that's just there's so much information out there and so many Experts now that are like, oh you should do this. You should do this You should do this and a lot of it doesn't make sense to us And so we're kind of like maybe I don't even understand what common sense is. I think we've stopped trusting ourselves Because of all these experts that are out there self-proclaimed experts maybe but You know something that I learned early on in in studying herbalism is the concept of ABC that cleansing comes after Activating and building your systems like if you're just jumping in you're like I'm sick. So therefore I'm gonna start cleansing You're probably gonna make yourself sicker Because you need to build up and nourish your systems first now The great thing about herbs is a lot of these herbs that you're talking about are actually doing all of those things at the same Time they're activating your systems They're building up your systems because they're nourishing you and because they're not doing this harsh cleanse Then they're helping your body to cleanse itself So it's it's a wonderful when they all kind of work together to do the right things and you know the difference really in a nutshell between the way you ought to cleanse and The way that we talk about cleansing and the way that a lot of the internet nonsense is is when you're doing a cleanse Your body should feel like it's getting spoiled rotten Not punished. Yeah, you know And that's how you'll tell You should feel that if you if you have guys that work for you and they're doing a lousy job You don't go in and whack them with a stick You know you you feed them and you take care of them and you make sure they have what they need. Yeah, I mean it just The body if we'll support it and feed it and give it what it needs. It'll it'll be really happy and do its job much better Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So you talked about burdock you were talking about You know being able to consume burdock even if you're pregnant can pregnant moms and nursing moms do cleanses So I wouldn't I wouldn't do we sell a cleanse kit, you know And and in the book, there's a protocol for you know, you don't have to buy the kit. There's nothing magic in the kit But in the book is all the stuff how to do it and what to take and things But there are some herbs that I use That aren't safe for pregnancy and there's some that aren't safe for nursing, but that's the case no matter what I'm doing with herbs Right, you know some you know, you just have to be really really careful if you're pregnant or nursing or if you're taking pharmaceuticals Those are the three big red flags that you really have to start thinking. Oh, wait a minute Hold on and I I wouldn't do a cleanse if I was pregnant I mean, I'd be too busy being on the today show. I'm doing interviews if I was pregnant But you could do burdock and nettles Yeah, you know to just keep your liver and kidneys and everybody happy and your guts and your microbiota Everybody's gonna be happy with nettles and burdock you do that while you're pregnant and probably should I mean my wife? Was has been a midwife for a long time. She's retired now, but You know every lady she ever worked with was on, you know Nettle leaf and red raspberry and all kinds of herbs which were mostly nutritive During pregnancy, but you just have to make sure that Everything's kosher with with that little bambino because sometimes they don't like their herbs. Yeah. Yeah Well, we want to keep everything safe But it's a great time of your life to actually be supporting your body with the appropriate herbs instead of doing foods Yeah, yeah Instead of doing any sort of a harsh cleanse where you're actually trying to remove toxins from your body or anything Yeah, you don't really want to stir up toxins when you've got baby on board No, no, and the herbs that wouldn't could do that, you know in a meaningful sort of okay Come on, let's roll up our sleeves and get to work here. They're not safe during pregnancy. Anyway, yeah So there you go Let just real quick like do you have that information in your book like which herbs you should or shouldn't? Oh, yeah Yeah, no the whole Second half of the book is all plants. Oh cool, and it tells you on each one of those They're safe for pregnancy or nursing so you could You know theoretically you could sort of Put together your own little protocol by swapping out a plant here and there and doing some things So, yeah that information's all in the book, oh, that's great No What about kids because we're seeing a time where kids are sicker than we I think have ever seen Historically as far as just you know Lifestyle illness put it that way between obesity and chronic disease and autoimmune stuff We're just saying so much illness and children Anxiety stuff. Yeah mental stuff just expect from stuff all kinds of things. Yeah Yeah, so I don't do again like pregnant women and babies There are some herbs. They're a little a little More intense than a six-year-old ought to be sure. Okay And so, you know if it's an adolescent 12 and up kind of kid and he's kind of having those kinds of issues and feeling groggy and grumpy and I mean more grumpy You know, you could certainly do a cleanse on an adolescent if it's a little tiny guy though, you know, that wasn't burdock Fantastic food for him fantastic cleansing properties. Why not? You know, but a little that in their oatmeal, they'll like it Well, I think I just found what I was missing in my parenting of teenagers here. That's gonna make them less grumpy She saw you need to take your herbs Didn't take your herbs today, did you? But then with those little guys, it's like it's back to that same concept Like what how are we nourishing the body in? Order for it to support itself to it for it to support normal function. Like you were saying should be the goal of the cleanse And there are a lot of gentle herbs out there that are totally appropriate for doing that Well and feed them raw carrots instead of clinkies, I mean it's Stop putting the junk in. Yeah, if we were eating and feeding our little people like we ought to We'd have way less of these kinds of issues, you know a lot of it's it's got to be Stuff they're ingesting, you know, I mean there's I'll tell you what the key is a lot of times just get the stuff out of the house. I know the moment we had Somebody gave one of my younger daughters a bag of like mini Oreos around the holiday And we don't usually have stuff like that in the house. That's not just something we do We we bake plenty of our own homemade healthy good ingredient cookies, but not that kind of stuff The moment that was in our house It became like this thing this obsession of everybody can we have the Oreos? Can we have the Oreos? No, no, nope Like wait till we go on a playdate and go share them with all your friends instead You know like poison everybody spread it out a little bit But um, but the the interesting thing is is when those aren't in the house. They don't ask for them Yeah, and it's a main thing if you don't have that kind of food in the house What your kids will actually eat like they eat Sauerkraut voluntarily as long as I'm not dangling Oreos in front of them on the other side so We're hardwired our brains as humans are hardwired that fat and sugar are really a good idea Yeah, you know cuz in your good old days if you could get a hold of a little bit of fat and sugar That's a lot of calories without very much work. Yeah, you know, but there were no Twinkies in those days, you know Same thing with the dyes, right? Like our brain sees that dye that red dye and we're like, ooh vitamins Vitamins in there like berries and it's not when it's an artificial food dye. Yeah, exactly Well, I had you know, one of my children Was really like if she ate sugar was it was Terrible for her and she was angry and mad and rebellious and just like this little Tasmanian devil kid, you know and and so And I figured it out, you know every time I give her some of the sweet an hour later she's just a disaster we figured it out pretty quick and and she and I Had a no sugar club. Oh for years You know and we said we don't eat sugar because it makes us feel lousy and and she was the most delightful Sweet smart little kid in the world if you if she wasn't getting sugar You know, yeah, and so and she grew out of it, you know eventually but as a little kid, you know Things that aren't natural in the body of a little person can be catastrophically more intense than they are You know, I know it's old duffers that are used to poisoning ourselves Our tolerance levels go up Right. Well, I think I think they're Josh and I often talk about genetic momentum, too And that like when you come from generations of people who have eaten really well You actually have some momentum going for you But then also it seems like when people eat super well in their childhood that carries them a really long ways into adulthood Um, we would always laugh his grandpa Was just as healthy as could be right up into very old age not on any medication And he would always tell stories about you know Having to milk the cows on at their they didn't even really live on a farm But they would have they had a cow and they had a garden and you know ate all this great food but as he was older we always Wondered how he could stay so healthy because he had after his wife died He had a rotation of all the fast-food places that he ate at every night He's like well Monday night is Jack in the Box and Tuesday night is Pizza Hut and he had his whole program We're like, how do you stay this healthy? And we really believe it just because he ate so well as a child and a young That it just that his body in this great path I think the reverse is too true to when you start off with a bunch of junk. It can be hard to regain health It's lots harder to fix it with veggies when you're 40 if you ate garbage all your life Yeah, and it is you know, and by the contrast is it's pretty hard to wreck it With a drive-thru if you've been eating great all your life Yeah, absolutely So you were talking about how often a cleanse should not be done that people do it way too often how what is kind of? a ideal Cadence I guess like what does that look like? You know, you could argue that we should do it more because we're eating worse You could argue that I say don't eat worse And do it once or twice a year That's what I would say yeah And and honestly if you're eating really really bad all the time You know cleansing is not going to be super helpful. Anyway, yeah, you know, I mean, it's just it's just not you have got to be Nutrition first you've got to be eating decent and And willing to eat and say no to some things And I'm not saying you've never you know I went to out to lunch today and I did the salad bar because I was being good and then I had a little ice cream Going afterward, you know So it's mostly good but Just try and have as much real food, especially real vegetable food As you can and and then do a cleanse once or twice a year. Yeah Yeah Just that sounds so reasonable Just be reasonable about it, huh, you know, I I probably should have done something more complicated so I could charge more for it Eat your carrots That's the beauty of herbs and of the natural things around us is that honestly so many of the healthiest things What we've made the healthy things the expensive things but that's a human construct because in Actuality the healthy things around us the healthiest things are often the cheapest things like you look at something You know, I was talking about sauerkraut and the kids eating sauerkraut when you make your own sauerkraut It costs a couple bucks if you grow your own cabbage It costs like three bucks for enough seeds to grow you enough sauerkraut for five years Yeah, you know, I mean that the stuff is almost free Same thing something like bone broth, you know, that's essentially a waste product It's so cheap to make at home and yet it you go and you buy this stuff on the store shelf and you get it in these fancy little refrigerated sections and they're like 30 bucks for a little cordon stuff and you're like Wow, that's that's expensive. You know, I can make a couple of gallons for less than that cost And And it's just it's such a good thing and herbs fit right into that in so many ways They are so inexpensive and so accessible to us If we just learn some of the principles and learn how to do it ourselves a little bit and they should be yeah I mean it should be part of your garden should be an herb garden Yeah, you know and anybody any of you guys that haven't seen what Carolyn and Josh are doing with their little Family garden outside the herb garden. I mean not just a food garden It's glorious and it's not huge and they've got I mean, I can't think of anything you'd need that wasn't out there You have you know, and there's not a thousand species of plants There's just this fantastic resource of really amazing nutrients and medicines That's outside your back door and costume You know It's amazing and it's you know Once you get those established so many of those plants or perennials once you get them established, they're just kind of there I mean, I'm out there hacking them back now with the hose and machetes and like too big too much But you know, they're just so abundant and for so inexpensive It's just the knowledge to actually use them to help yourself. And that's that's why I love the things I gotta say I know you're gonna say something But I'm gonna brag on you for just a second because I love the books that you write because they're so accessible They're just so easy to understand and they bring it down to a you don't need to go to some fancy school to actually Understand the terminology in here. It's very Accessible for everybody to just pick this up and be like, oh I can actually go do something after reading through this And to me I find that's just so helpful Well, that's you know That's the way it is supposed to be, you know life Isn't nearly as complicated as as we'd like to make it and the things that That I talk about in my books and things that we talk about in the homegrown or old school Are things that were just pretty much the way people lived not very long ago you know and I mean they're Archaeologists find the herbs we talk about in in very primitive Societies and digs that they dig up, you know, and so It ain't rocket science and you really can do it and Just having access And I know everybody doesn't have a garden and I understand that but you'd be surprised what you can grow on a couple of pots on your patio and you'd be surprised what you can find, you know in the vacant lot down the road or in the Park or forest that's outside of town. I mean the stuff's around. Yeah, and it's just a tremendous resource and And the same thing with the gardens, you don't need a huge garden to feed yourself and your family You know Just just grow what you need and enjoy it and if and if it's not all you need and you got to buy some too Oh, well, I mean, I don't know how much dirt you have or soil depending on where you get your dirt But you know you can do something you can do something and start with something But it's a sad commentary on our culture and society that people walk into a beat a store, you know one of these Fancy organic grocery stores and they see real beats that have never been poisoned and they're like, oh my gosh I've never seen anything like that. Yeah, I'll pay I'll pay a lot. Do you take payments on those? I want three, you know Yeah, well you can be grown in your backyard right we're almost nothing I Love it. Okay before we wrap up because you and I I know could talk all day. We've done it before I Hope to do it again this year but What what's involved in doing a cleanse? How is there a process for how you should do it or you know, what does that look like for doing? Yeah, a really important process and the really important process Mostly is doing it in the right order Because what we're going to be doing is we're going to be stimulating organs kidneys and liver Well, the kidneys don't care you can do that part whenever you want. But if you think about the liver if I make him happier and Kick him out more toxins and he's kicking him into a gut. It's all gorked up and mad already Those toxins are just gonna get reabsorbed immediately So you're doing nothing So it's really important the most important principle for a cleanse is to do it in the proper order And that means you start at the end of the digestive tract and you work your way up So you do the colon the large intestine small intestine and now they're all happy and everything's working Well now we can dump some stuff in there from the liver, right? And it'll all go where it's supposed to go instead of getting reabsorbed. That's the most fundamental principle probably But and we go through all that again in the book You know, there's you know X number of steps and you do this one first and then you do this one And you kind of work your way through it but none of the things in there none of the steps in that process are You know hard to do or make you feel lousy or miserable they're just you know, just adding some things to your daily routine that are mostly nutritious and Medicinal and you know, it's not all that alarming, you know, yeah, you don't have to lay on the bathroom floor to know it's working That's good news that is good news right there we'll go with that one All right, so I know we've been talking about the book tell us where you can get your book right now And I know we'll put a link for you guys below But yeah, click the link. That's a good way to do it I'm gonna start in that but Carolyn's makes nice links clicker You've got that and then you talked about for a second you talked about The kit that you do have an herb cleanse kit. So if yeah Okay, yeah, so the late yeah, yeah, I mean you can you can do all this yourself you know if you bought the book and went through it and gathered all the herbs and made all the stuff and yada yada you Could absolutely do that yourself and it would take lots more time and money than buying the silly kit We've already got the herbs harvested and poked in the bottles so you save you a lot of time But yeah, that kit is available also at homegrown herbalist.net and I'll send you the link for it You just put that with your book link. Perfect, and they can get it We've got all that at homegrown herbalist.net too So, yeah Awesome, well, thank you so much. Thanks for taking the time to write a book to import part all this knowledge I know that's a time-consuming thing, but We're always glad to get a little more information out of your amazing brain Glad we can help if we're helping Definitely. Well, I think like you said, you know, we're living in a toxic world at this point You know, you can't breathe without bringing in toxins. You can't I see that I just have air filters in my house that read the quality of the air and I'm like, oh Sometimes it's surprising what our air quality is and I'm like we would just be breathing this and not even think of you know we just found out this year that we had a super high levels of radon in the house and Just went through a whole radon remediation. Now. It's thankfully way down at very low levels. That's good But it's like who knows how long we were breathing that and you know, that just comes out of the soil So it's not yeah, I'm coming out decomposed uranium isn't that exciting and And so, you know, it's like you can't even breathe the air. You can't drink water anymore without getting toxins in and so Anything we can do to support our bodies in In just normal functions of keeping us healthy and doing what they're supposed to do. That's a win We are underfed in a toxic world. Yeah That's a happy note Wait some weeds you'll All right, you guys well, thank you for hanging out with us doc Thanks for coming on like always and how you already to our next visit. All right. Have a great day. Okay