WATCH: Trump RAGES over AI whistleblower 'HOAX' in LIVE phone in with Nvidia CEO

Donald Trump has called the AI whistleblower a hoax in an unprecedented phone-in with NVIDIA's CEO during a live podcast taping. The robots will not be taken over. The AI will not be taken over the rest of the world. The whole thing is a hoax. Now, with that, we have to be a little bit careful. We have to very be, you know, we have to do things and we have to do them prudently. But that doesn't mean we're going to stop an industry because, you know, as we work on the next 10 years about how to destroy it. So I'm with you all the way. I didn't even know how you felt about it. I assumed you felt the same way as me. And we're going to lead. And I have an expression. It's whoever wins, AI wins. A former anthropic researcher, Jacob Coxon, warned last week AI risked wiping out humanity and called for greater regulation to slow the development of the technology. The warnings prompted fears of a hoax to use regulations to limit competition in the sector, while others argued humans are close to losing control of artificial intelligence altogether. So the senior safety researcher at Anthropic has claimed that AI has a greater than 10% chance of killing all humans within the next decade. The claims come after former anthropic researcher Jacob Coxon made a lengthy resignation post on X in which he accused the company of acting irresponsibly. Coxon claimed that anthropic scientists fully understand the risks of their work but move forward regardless to beat competing AI companies. President Trump struck a much more positive tone when I spoke to him about this last week. It'll create millions of jobs because it's going to create business. Medically, it's going to come up with a cure to diseases. So are the dangers of AI being overstated or should American politicians take Jacob Coxon's words as a dark warning of what may be to come? Delighted to say that I'm joined now with the CEO of Ahera AI, Brian Telleby and US Director of Control AI, Connor Leahy. Thank you both for joining me this evening. Right, let's get stuck into this then, fellas, whilst we also keep an eye on the stage in the convention to see if President Trump takes to the stage. Brian, let me start with you. This statement by the guy from Anthropic Today that no one had ever heard of until today is very powerful. It's been seen millions. I'm going to try and find the exact number because I haven't just looked in the last few moments, but I want to know how many people have seen that tweet because that speaks of a fear, Brian, that people have about AI. So are we right to be frightened? Well, first of all, thank you for having me. It's always great to be back on GB News. Look, I think there is a coordinated effort to terrify the American people. This ultimately comes back to the AI race with China, which is ultimately a geopolitical one. It's a first across the line race. Whoever wins this race will realistically run the world for the next 100 years. China and their partners and folks inside the United States that also want to slow America down in alliance with folks that want to achieve regulatory capture of artificial intelligence, which includes Anthropic and OpenAI, have a deep need to slow down AI development in the United States so that China and others can catch up. Now, this is only the latest salvo in the information warfare that's being used against the American people. If you recall, not too long ago, all the effective altruist folks who was, of course, led by SBF, Sam Beckman Freed, who committed quite a bit of fraud, and Reid Hoffman, who, of course, is famous for being quite close with Jeffrey Epstein. They tried to push this idea years ago that we need to regulate artificial intelligence. And then moving forward, they pushed this information operation against the American public to say we shouldn't be building data centers for artificial intelligence. If you recall, a prominent journalist of, I believe, Chinese origin, if I'm not mistaken, Karen Howell, claimed in a book called Empire of AI, that data centers would use a thousand times more water than they actually do. And of course, later on, she retracted it. There was arithmetic errors and so forth. But of course, the left, the Bernie Sanders of the world, the AOCs of the world, and of course, the folks that want to slow down American artificial intelligence, have used that as a cudgel to attack localities and reduce the probability of creating additional data centers, which we desperately need. This newest attempt is just another attempt by Anthropic to say that the United States government or state governments should regulate artificial intelligence to slow things down. They want to create like a government agency, almost like a MVA or DMV, if you've ever been to a DMV recently, to look over everything that comes out of these AI labs. And look, this would be catastrophic for our tech community and our geopolitical realities. Sorry, before I bring it up, but why would they want to do that? Why would Anthropic want to slow down their own industry? Because they already are in the lead. If they slow down every other competitor that's coming up behind them, they get to do what Microsoft did 20 years ago and capture the entire space without having to worry about competition. Okay, well, that's quite dark. Connor, let me ask you about this then, because I was so keen to get a question to President Trump on this when I spoke to him last week. And I was genuinely surprised by how positive and optimistic he was. Why is he like that? We are in a very strange time, to say the least. AI is advancing incredibly quickly. We're seeing incidents like autonomous AI agents flagrantly disobeying human orders and breaking out of secure contained facilities in order to attack other companies and cause harm. And it's only getting weirder from there and only more extreme. What is very important to understand is that these companies are not trying to build a better chatbot. They're not even trying to make a nice quarterly revenue or something like this. What they're trying to do, it says so on their website, is to build what is called super intelligence, fully autonomous AI systems that can fully replace and out-compete humans at all tasks, all jobs, military, politics, everything. And they believe they can control something like this. But this is wrong, because in fact, we do not know how to control something like this. And so when I look at... Sorry, can I go on? And so what I think is, is that there's a conflation between two different things, super intelligence and AI broadly. There are many very valuable applications for the economic and military use of AI, especially here in the United States is extremely important for us to maintain our economic and military competitiveness by the integration of powerful AI systems. But super intelligence is different. It is not a weapon. It is not a tool. It is an adversary. It is an autonomous agent that we cannot control, and that will undermine our own security and freedom. As such, it should be our priority to prevent not just local companies, but also actors such as China from developing super intelligence. But you see, President Trump said to me, well, you know, you just turn it off. You know, there'll always be a human being there. He sort of suggested you just pull the plug out. Why can't you do that, Connor? This is definitely true for current AI systems. But current AI systems are already developing towards super intelligence systems that can autonomously hack, that can break out of containment, that can move into other servers that potentially cannot be contained. And if we think about it, can we turn off Google? If tomorrow morning, the CEO of Google became convinced that Google was a huge threat to humanity and needed to be shut down, what would happen? Well, he would very quickly stop being the CEO of Google, wouldn't he? There would be a lot of forces at work that would prevent him from shutting it down. There is no single server to pull a plug from, so to speak. Brian, I've looked at this tweet now of Jacob Cox and how many times it has been viewed. He was resigning saying, I can't be involved in this anymore. It's just too dangerous. 124 million views. That has got to be one of the most viewed tweets. And that's only been up, I think, since this morning here. 124 million. Why are people so engaged in this topic? Is it about proving, to your point, are there a lot of people going, hang on, this is fake, you're being played here? Or is it people going, see? People like Bev Turner are right, who's always waving the warning flag about this and saying, be careful. Well, look, I don't doubt that he actually believes the things he's saying. However, we have seen that information operations can be incredibly effective at getting people to believe things that are just not true. Look how effective certain groups have been at getting people to believe that men can become women, right, or that there's a genocide in Gaza. It's very easy if you just tell people something over and over again that something is true, people will believe it. Let's go back real quick before my internet shut down for a second. When Marc Andreessen, who arguably runs the most important venture capital fund in Silicon Valley, said that the Biden administration came to him and said, look, we're only going to allow two or three AI companies to survive and the rest of them we're going to kill. We're going to fully control all AI with the U.S. government. That wasn't an accident. That's actually part of the reason a huge portion of the tech industry, especially the AI industry, moved away from the Democrats and supported Donald Trump. This is a battle that we have to win. This is for the heart and soul of the country, of technology. Imagine if right at the beginning of the creation of the internet, after it went from being the DARPA net for the military into the internet as we know of today. Imagine if everybody lost their mind, said that the sky is falling and we have to regulate the internet. And also, by the way, let China catch up and have them control the internet instead of us. That would have been catastrophic. Otherwise, smart people can make horrible mistakes. And it reminds me a little bit of one of the top liberal economists who came out and said back in the day that the internet will have no more of an economic impact than the fax machine. This is a guy that won a Pulitzer Prize. He won a Nobel, I believe. And so very educated people can be wrong. But let's remember the geopolitical implications if we slow down AI developments and allow China to catch up and win this race. It'll be catastrophic for our country and our future. I'm always a bit preoccupied at the moment, Connor, and I mentioned it in that interview with President Trump, is that every other industrial revolution of the past benefited everybody. And this industrial revolution right now seems to be just benefiting a few people right at the top. Genuinely, a handful of people who are going to get very, very, very rich, while the rest of us are going to end up on universal basic income because there's literally no jobs left for anybody to do. Am I right, Connor? Well, who is going to tax people to get that universal basic income? I don't think that's what's going to happen at all. I think what is happening right now is that there's a massive power centralization happening. These companies and other people are centralizing a massive amount of power, and they were building systems that currently are given the power, but sooner or later, they themselves are not able to control. If they build AI systems that can automate the economy, they can automate warfare, they can automate political activities, and they cannot control such systems, which we're already seeing these agents becoming completely rogue. We don't understand how the internals of these systems work even today. Dara Amadei, for example, recently said that he thinks we understand 3% of what happens inside of our AI systems, which I think is optimistic from my research and that of other experts. So what is really happening here is that we are seeing a massive power grab from these companies and other people trying to push out American and international workers, trying to solidify their power and control over things before they themselves lose control over the systems that they are building. Okay, we need to move on, but we should do this. You can briefly. We should do this for a YouTube special for GB News, fellas, because there's so much we could go on. A quick response, Brian Talleby. All I want to add here is, look, this is the fourth industrial revolution. We already had three of these. Each of the times we had an industrial revolution in the past, we were able to create new jobs for people to do, and it only pushed society forward. This is no different. We're going to see the biggest golden age for the regular person than we've ever seen in history. We're going to look back on this and be very happy with all of the people who worked so hard to create this technology. All right. Okay, fellas, let's pick this up again another day because it's absolutely fascinating. I know our viewers will love it. CEO of Ahura AI, Brian Talleby, and U.S. Director of Control AI, Connor Leahy. Thank you so much, chaps. Right, moving on. GB News, I have to say, we contacted Anthropic AI for comments. We didn't get one.