'Take Bonnie Blue's baby AWAY?' GB Mums FUME over adult star's post-birth publicity STUNT

Bonnie Blue, she's trying to do it for clicks. She wants people to be outraged. I hope, for the baby's sake, that is a doll, not a baby. But the question is, should her baby be taken away? She's saying that they're wasting their time, bothering with her, and in fact, why don't they go and look for other children who are... Oh, they should certainly do that as well. ...who are being abused in Satsu. If it is actually a child, you know, which I don't know whether it is, I don't think it's very... I think it's really tasteless. But I don't subscribe to the notion that it's not wise to show what she's doing. Even if these men were British-born and bred, that would be a concern, I think, to have that number of men in one site so close to a rural village. The fact that these men are undocumented and, frankly, are from some of the worst countries in the world, and we don't know anything about them, we don't know their criminal background, et cetera, et cetera, if they have one. The fact that they're being plonked there, it's unsurprising that these women are wanting to rise up, and they've done this video campaign. I feel really sorry for these women of Piddington. I mean, as you say, Emily, whatever nationality these men were from, it would be quite alarming to be outnumbered 10 to 1, when some of them are from countries where women are just not treated the same as women in Western countries. It's a totally, totally different set of values. Hello, and welcome to GB Mums. It's your daily dose of mum energy. I like that. I'm Nana Akwir. I'm Emily Carver. I'm Olivia Utley. Now, we have got a packed show for you. We'll be discussing adult content creator Bonnie Blue. She's been reported to the NSPCC for appearing to use her own newborn baby to promote a sex stunt, or maybe it wasn't hers, maybe it was a doll. We'll also chat about what the women of Piddington have written in an open letter to female MPs, and should school be optional until the age of seven? Yes, it's nonsense that's coming out of the mouths of the Green Party, but that's what they think. Elsewhere, we'll also discuss the promise that universities will provide work experience for all students. I love that last story about the all students thing, but I think it might encourage them to be a little bit lazy. Do you know what I mean? I think work experience is great as long as they have to sort of apply as though they're applying for an actual job. Well, it seems like a bit of an acknowledgement that perhaps a university isn't as useful as work experience in some cases. Why not just skip to the work? That's a good idea. But they're going to fund it as well. So I sort of like the idea, because the worst thing is we've got a load of people coming out of university, they haven't got a clue. They come out and they think they want the top job, the thing that they've been dreaming of at the beginning. They don't realise that the big step are little steps, little steps, little steps. I mean, I've been a soldier. I was the best soldier there ever was. I have been a cleaner in two or three different jobs. I've worked in a pub. I've been on security. Have you? Yeah, nobody messes with me. I wouldn't mess with you. I've danced on tables for Annabelle's, I remember. Did you dance on tables? Yeah, I got free drinks and all my friends came along. We need the video evidence, please. I've done pretty much everything, but I haven't done what Bonnie Blue is doing. I mean, honestly, this is... Thankfully, Nala. Thankfully, because I'd probably... GB News wouldn't hire me. In fact, I don't know if anyone would, but then I'd be really, really, really, really stinking rich, but... Well, you're right, she can't do anything else now, can she? She is in the porn industry and that's that. Because her latest stunt is basically... I presume she's sitting on a bed or something. She's holding what appears to be a newborn baby and there are three men with a balaclava in the room. Now, some people think that this is utterly disgusting and some Conservative MPs have had a word and have actually complained and pushed her forward for safeguarding concerns. It's Joy Morrissey. She's written to the NSPCC on this one. Should it be something that politicians get agitated by and start writing letters about? I don't know. I guess they're trying to show that they have the moral stance on this type of issue. But Bonnie Blue, she's trying to do it for clicks. She wants people to be outraged. I hope, for the baby's sake, that is a doll, not a baby. But the question is, should her baby be taken away? Because a lot of people are saying social services should get in touch, as Joy Morrissey has said, should get in touch, should potentially take that baby away from Bonnie Blue. I mean, that baby, whether or not it is actually the baby in the video or not. Imagine being Bonnie Blue's daughter. That is a pretty tough... Gig, exactly. Telling people at school what your mum does for a living, that is a very tough thing to be saddled with for the rest of your life. And as you say, Emily, Bonnie Blue isn't really going to be able to do anything else from now on. She is stuck in this industry. I wonder if she is sort of capable of raising a well-adjusted, happy daughter, or if that child is bound to be saddled with all sorts of emotional difficulties. In which case, maybe it is the job of someone to step in and question whether she should be allowed to be raising her daughter. Bonnie hasn't commented whether it's a boy or a girl, so we don't know whether it's a daughter or a so-called... Oh, I thought it was a girl. Apparently, Bonnie hasn't commented on what the sex of the baby is. We also don't know whether that is a real baby or whether it's a doll. Now, look, I'm not advocating for any of it. I don't like what Bonnie Blue does. I've interviewed her and I've told her... I said, you know, come on, sort yourself out. What are you doing? It's a bit grim, but she kind of... She is a very astute businesswoman and this is her business and that's what she's doing. I think when they're talking about taking the baby away from her, I think about all the other children that these social services type people have visited repeatedly and then these people have been murdered and things like that. And I just think... I suspect, as Bonnie has said, that this child is going to be incredibly well looked after. You know, that's what Bonnie is saying. She's saying that they should... They're wasting their time bothering with her and, in fact, why don't they go and look for other children who are... Oh, they should certainly do that as well. ..who are being abused in such... So, if it is actually a child, you know, which I don't know whether it is, I don't think it's very... I think it's really tasteless, but I don't subscribe to the notion that it's not wise to show what she's doing, publicising it, for example, because if she does it and we talk about it, we can say how grim it is and we get opinions, you know what I mean? And I think that's really important to talk about things, whether we agree with them or disagree with them. Yeah, and she likes going on podcasts and doing media interviews, doesn't she? So, she's not shy about it. Quite interesting what she said, because the Conservatives have said, you know, we uphold standards, et cetera. The Sun, she said to the Sun, Bonnie said, oh, the Conservatives are still going. Yeah, I remember that. Bless her, I suppose. Name-dropping me is one way of trying to stay relevant. My baby's love-protected, incredibly well looked after, et cetera, et cetera. Being a mum hasn't changed the fact I'm Bonnie Blue, but I know where Bonnie ends and being a mum begins. I'm not sure that's the case in today's world. I feel like you can't just keep things compartmentalised, can you? Because the child is going to know about everything. All they need to do is go on the internet. But it depends. Bonnie's parents are actually actively helping her. So, for example, if you're, say, for example, your daughter said to you, OK, so I'm going to do this, I'm going to do what Bonnie Blue's doing. Your daughter's, like, 25 now. What would you do? You'd probably say, I forbid it. But then what? It's very hard to imagine. Just imagine it for a moment. I know what I'd do. I'd get your grandma involved. I think you've got to hope that you've raised your daughter in a way that she wouldn't turn around and say that to you. But I think when they get to an adult, there's nothing much you can do apart from say, please don't do this, give other options, give other avenues, et cetera, et cetera. I expect Bonnie Blue's parents tried to do that. I don't think it's a failure of parenting on their part. But then I do think that that sort of, it could get handed down to the next generation. I think there is quite a real risk of her child ending up being quite scarred by what the mother is doing. They might do that thing where Bonnie Blue never drops her off at school. You know, like Katie Hopkins did with her children. She never went to the school gates with her children because of course she was so controversial in the media for so many years. So she might do that thing where the nanny or whatever takes the child to the school, changes the surnames. Well, obviously, because Bonnie Blue is not her real name anyway. And like tries to keep things separate. I mean, that would be the most honourable thing to do, I think. So that the child doesn't have to go to school and answer questions about their mum being on OnlyFans. I don't know. You know, the most famous porn star. Well, I'm wondering, I mean, I just wonder which way the world is going anyway. If you look at things, everything seems to be, people keep going to the extremes to get even more publicity. I suspect in maybe 10, 15 years' time that might look quite shy compared to what's going on. Do you know what I mean? I don't know. This is bad. I don't think it's good. But I don't know. I mean, if we're still here, if AI hasn't eaten us or killed us or whatever it's meant to do to us. We try not to think about that. Don't think about AI. There's a 1 in 10 chance of humanity ending. I know, isn't it? Well, you know, if it ends, it ends. I mean, isn't there one of us? I heard somebody talking about how AI would kill us if it was to do it, and they suggested that they might try and push the temperature up to about 300 degrees Celsius because that is the optimum temperature to make microchips because its mission is to make loads and loads of microchips and then we'd all be boiled and that would be the end of us. Lovely. Well, we don't need to worry about climate change. Yeah, exactly. What's the point? This is what I say. It's a complete scam, climate change. On that note. Yeah, let's talk Piddington. Now, this is absolutely shocking, isn't it? Yeah, so, I mean, this is a tiny little village, rural village, and they've been trying to stop this asylum site being used there. 1,250 men. There's also been stories in the newspaper this week about how potentially it has room for 3,500 men, which the Home Office are pushing back on. But anyway, it could be, if that were to go ahead, that women would be outnumbered 10 to 1 in this tiny little rural village. Now, even if these men were British-born and bred, that would be a concern, I think, to have that number of men in one site so close to a rural village. The fact that these men are undocumented and, frankly, are from some of the worst countries in the world and we don't know anything about them, we don't know their criminal background, etc, etc, if they have one. The fact that they're being plonked there, it's unsurprising that these women are wanting to rise up and they've done this video campaign, they've written a letter to the government, they're really trying to get Andy Burnham to do something on this. But, I mean, what are the Labour government going to do? They're not willing to leave the ECHR, they're not going to deport these people. Detain them. But they're not willing to do that. Human rights. No, but other countries detain them. Greece detained people, so why on earth can't we do it? There's loads of things that go on in other countries. And also, there are other countries, so, for example, for Hungary and Denmark and Germany who have sort of, they have kind of quotas, in a sense, as to how the proportion of migrants you can have in any village or town. And they're all signatories to the ECHR, so we could do something like that, but there doesn't seem to be the will to do it. Why are we interpreting it in such a detrimental fashion? Well, it's the issue, isn't it? Britain always interprets EU ECHR rules far more strictly than anybody else. It was like when the GDPR rules came in, every other country basically just ignored it. And Britain got so unbelievably serious about it. We follow all of these rules to the letter. I feel really sorry for these women of Piddington. I mean, as you say, Emily, whatever nationality these men were from, it would be quite alarming to be outnumbered 10 to 1, when some of them are from countries where women are just not treated the same as women in Western countries. It's a totally, totally different set of values, which has been entrenched for, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years in some cases, to treat women in a way that we just would regard as completely disrespectful. Add to that the fact that these men, quite rightly, aren't legally allowed to work, but that means they have nothing to do. They're just hanging around all day, young men. But also, they're going to have a libido, aren't they? I mean, that is the question. They're going to have a libido. Who are they going to have sex with? I would say, the whole thing is just absolutely absurd. And if somebody was to say to you, OK, so we've got like, and it may be 3,500, so it could be kind of double the number, in which case it's not just a 10 to 1 outnumbering. It's kind of like a much larger figure in terms of the entire village, which is about 350 people. So the entire village will be outnumbered 10 to 1, let alone the women. So you sort of look at that and you think, hello, if somebody said to you, OK, so I've got 3,000 men. They're just going to stay in here. I've given them everything they need. They can be bussed down to the village. Does it mean what, 350 of you lot? Yeah, that's fine. They come from all different countries around the world. But they're just going to roam free and they can just... I don't think so. So I don't understand why the government have taken leave of their senses and then they're expecting us to pay for it. Who's paying for it? It's us. I did not subscribe to this. I think the government have broken their social contract with us. I didn't agree to this. I'm not happy about it. And I think it's disgusting. And I'm glad they've written a letter to the women. You know, Annie Burnham wants local mayors to be able to tax people for having a staycation. Meanwhile, we're paying for accommodation for people who've just rocked up illegally in our country. I mean, they just want to tax, tax, tax people who are living in this country illegally, who are British citizens, at the same time as asking them to pay for other people's accommodation. It's ridiculous. Think about the effects on the hotel industry, which has already been absolutely hamstrung by raising national insurance tax on employers. It's so hard for hotels to employ anyone, people on minimum wage, people who should be serving drinks, et cetera. Then you've got the added fact that the mayors are going to whack a tax onto hotel stays. And then you've got the fact that lots of these hotels are now being filled with migrants. I mean, at this point, some of these hotels are probably quite happy to have the government contract. Well, I think that's why they did it. Because the government made it impossible for them to have customers in any other way. Well, of course, that's it. And then there's the other companies like Cochlear Springs, all the others who are supplying HMOs and some of them refitting these military accommodations. They're making an absolute killing. Some of them are billion-pound businesses simply from doing migrant accommodation. And, of course, it feels like it's all a bit of a plan to get rid of the accidental landlord who's got one property so that some big company can take them all over. Then you can hand them out to people who've come here illegally, which is pretty much what's happening. And I just think it's... I mean, I was listening and I was thinking, oh, I've got a property in my own house that I was, oh, I could rent that out. I can make double the money. Then I can go and live somewhere else or in a small... And I just think to myself, because they're taxing us to death and making life so difficult for us, who are paying for this, by the way, that we're all trying to... We may even grab on and take advantage of some of these schemes because we've got no other choice. You know what Annie Birdham said, oh, we need to share this around, you know, wealthy areas, et cetera, et cetera. Well, actually, at his peril because they've been getting away with this in working-class communities for decades with HMOs and putting new arrivals into poor areas, you know, lack of integration. Now the middle-class, leafy areas are going to be affected. Things might change, which is unfair, but that's often how politics works. With any revolution, the middle-class, the bourgeoisie, whatever you want to call it, got involved. Well, we shall see because it'll be interesting if something does happen. But I say to the women of Piddington, I'm behind you 100%. It'll be fascinating to see how the women of Parliament respond, how Labour women will respond. That is interesting. They're being quite brave because, you know, talking about these issues is controversial. To put their faces out there, to run a campaign, to try and get MPs to listen. We shall see. All right. So now, if you want to do, we've got universities. Now, I love this idea, even though I'm sort of, I don't want the students to be lazy. I think having a sense of what work, real work is like, is great. I think it's a brilliant idea. I chose this story and I think it's fantastic because I think essentially, sometimes university, you come out of school, you do your A-levels, you have to work pretty hard to do your A-levels. Then you start university. I think particularly if you're on a humanities course, I mean, I went to a good Russell Group university. I went to York, studied English. I had about two lectures a week. I barely had to do anything. I could write one essay a term. It's not exactly hardcore. Oh no, there is so much work. What were you doing instead, Olivia? Exactly. What was I doing? Going out, drinking, having fun, you know, not working very hard. And by the end of university, I would say I was considerably less prepared for the workplace than I would have been at 18, when at least I had to get up every day and go to school and get in for 8.30 and do a whole day's work. By the end of university, I was, you know, just spending whole days thinking I'll just potter into town and get myself a nice cake somewhere. Yeah. So lazy. And I think forcing students to do a bit of real life work would also make them appreciate university so much more. I often wish I'd worked for a while before going to university. Oh, I did loads. And then you'd see what you were, how lucky you are to be getting to study for three years somewhere, doing what you want to be doing. And I think I would have put a lot more work into it. So I always really liked the idea of a sandwich year. And I also think that it is a fantastic idea for students to get those links with employers so early on because so many people come out of university age 21, don't have, don't know where to begin to look for a job. But what's the incentive for these companies? Are these jobs going to be within the universities, like admin, sort of secretarial type jobs? Are they going to be linked with companies around the area? I think they're doing... Because, you know, what's in it for... Well, they're linking it so it would be like a, so degree courses will have to, have to provide sort of work experience type things either, I suspect, either in the holidays or you'll do an extra year or something. But I presume it's in the holidays when you kind of go off and do whatever you do. So universities will be forced for all the courses to have those things, giving work experience to people who are there, which I think is good. I mean, lots of courses already offer, if you do management or business, then you might already do a year out. And there are lots of companies which join up with universities to give those students a year. And quite often people who do those sandwich years end up in those companies after they finish their degrees and have a head start. So I think it's a really, really good idea. I hope students actually make the most of it. Did you work when you were at university? Well, when I was at Bristol, I worked at the Bristol rugby club. Oh, did you? Doing silver service for their, you know, people who buy the expensive tickets, what do you call it? And I was absolutely terrible at it. No. Yeah, I spilled gravy all the way down some gentleman's rugby shirts. Or was he wearing, he was probably wearing a suit jacket actually. And his wife got very angry at me. Aww. I worked in a pub, I was terrible at it too. I tend to balance things. If it makes you feel better. I knocked a mug and a glass into each other and shattered them both in my first hour in the job. But when I did my second degree, which was a year at the LSE, that was game changing because I got proper work experience that linked up to my interests. So I went and worked with an MP. Oh, that's great. And I went and worked at the Henry Jackson Society, which just by chance actually was something that I'm very interested in. I just went through one of these temp agencies. And, yeah. Went from there. part of the remit for this was that they're saying that the wealthier students, so the wealthier students get advantages because their parents have links and so on and so forth, which I think is just a bit- They can do, but- They have good ideas and then there's a politics of envy that kind of appears in all their policies. But they're saying just to kind of level the playing field where a lot of the students don't have the connections, which then the wealthier ones have an advantage. And I just think you can never make life completely fair. In fact, that's the reality of life that it is totally unfair. And actually sometimes, given the levels of unfairness, that can inspire and force people to work even harder to become more talented than they would have done had they been given it to them on a platter. So, again, I just- It's just when it always goes off track and starts talking about- Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Does that actually help anyone by making it about politics and everything? I did work at McDonald's HQ for a month. Oh, good. Yeah, you got free McDonald's for lunch. Yeah, I went there the other day to interview a politician. It's quite nice, isn't it? Getting free- I was doing their certificates of sorting out the certificates for people who start, you know, as a burger flipper and then work their way up and you can do all this training and stuff. I think McDonald's is a good place for that. So you didn't even take any trips? No, I don't know. I was just in the office doing the paperwork. Oh, no. That probably would have been more fun. I was doing the paperwork. That's great. That's a lot better, really, to be honest with you. Fancy flipping burgers. The training certificates, that's what I was doing. Not great. But I have literally done everything there, you know, for work-wise. I've done it all. Solder. I've done- and that was very good, to be honest, because we soldered on a line in this factory in Malden called TADMOD. And I can remember that during the holidays and, I mean, there was no real sort of ventilation-y type thing. I mean, it was all, you know, with the little zinc solder and everything and you put in the components and plugs together and there was a- you know, because obviously this was my holidays where I worked. I've worked in- you know when you go- when you get something in a cereal and, you know, there's like a fulfillment thing. So when we were young you had these things that you could put in the oven, these Kellogg's things and they'd be moulded into shapes or whatever. Those things that you could- I mean, okay, I'm really showing my age now. You two look completely confused. But people out there know what I mean. But cereal packets were where they would, you know, there were loads of quizzes and things you could send off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I worked in one of the fulfillment centres, you know, getting all the- You were just filling them? No, no, the fulfillment centre, you know, saying who's getting that, who's doing this, doing that, doing the envelopes and sending off and I did all that. Do you think they get a robot to do that now? Probably AI. AI doing it, yeah. Let's not get stuck into AI again otherwise it'll be No, I just had a show with Tom who loves AI so there you go. But look, there's something- I think a little bit- what about the grains? Let's talk the grains because I think the more they say the more ridiculous they appear. Oh yeah, they should really just shut up, shouldn't they? Really, because now they're saying that in fact school shouldn't start until the age of seven and at seven you can then take your child to school. They have made suggestions that the children could decide on punishments, that we should all be- they'll be given a vegetarian meal. It's like, what are you on about? This is terrible. Not everyone is good for eating just vegetables and it's just- they come up with some ludicrous suggestions. How does this fit in with their, you know, wanting to enable people to go back to work and all of this? You've got to look after your kids until seven at home five days a week. It's insane. Exactly. Seven days a week. I mean, it's absolutely nonsense. I mean, the Green Party, as you say, the more they speak the lower they go in the polls, it seems. You know, they were on like 20, weren't they? Not that long ago and now they're sort of at about 10% because the more they say the more extreme they sound. I mean, how many of these types of motions are they putting forward? Honestly, this sounds like my primary school school council. People on the school council have the power to agree on the dress code and what the uniform looks like. So kids get to choose their own uniform. Testing and grading would be scrapped. For God's sake. Wow. This is the sort of thing you would debate in your year six. Yeah, exactly. I don't know, English class, politics class. It just seems that they are just, they've completely lost the plot. If they are a Green Party, which is what they're meant to be, they're supposed to be an environmentalist type pressure group that would eventually help to correct some of the wrongs of the environment like plastic in the oceans and things like that, which actually I happen to subscribe to. Important, yeah. Yeah, but instead they've gone off on this merry way of middle class sort of wokery that is only affordable to those who've got on Palestine, only affordable to those who've got money. I mean, could you imagine if the kids could determine the uniform, then if they could wear whatever they like, because I'm sure that's what they'd all end up agreeing, then those with the money would be wearing the designer stuff and those with nothing and then you end up with the layers of, you know, and then we're talking vegetarian food, which actually, if you only bought that kind of food, it's probably quite expensive. It's all very ridiculous. They would also ban successful academy schools. This is the thing, banning things for ideological reasons, even if they're successful, is absolutely nuts. Mad, exactly. Why would you ban something if it's working? But the thing is, I think quite a lot of this, the teaching unions would be pretty on board with. Yes, some of them. I'm going to the TUC conference next week and some of the representatives from there Who are you now? Oh yes, that would be interesting. But it is really interesting because you do hear quite a lot of heads of unions, of major teaching unions, saying that testing, for example, should be scrapped, assessment should be scrapped, schools should be judged on basically how happy the teachers are rather than how well the children are doing. And this idea of academic attainment at school is all trumped up. I think they'd sign up for this. Now I can understand why Ofsted might be a scary prospect. You know, to get a one word rating or whatever, the Ofsted people don't spend that much time at the school. But I do think, you know, how stressful can it be? Everyone gets marked at work in one way or another. Maybe I'll upset teachers because I'm sure it is stressful. I'm sure it's incredibly stressful. Everyone has assessments. But no, I mean, what the Greens are proposing and what some of these teaching unions are proposing is that children aren't tested at all. Children don't get tested in any way. Well, I doubt they want the teachers to be tested. No, no, no. They definitely won't want to abolish Ofsted altogether. But not testing children either. So you've got no indication of how children are doing. And they say that doesn't matter because schools shouldn't be so attainment focused. It should all be about sort of holistic wellbeing. But what chance does that give our children I guess you don't need any of this because they would end capitalism. And then we could all be as dumb as each other and it wouldn't make a difference. But that's ridiculous because there is a level of capitalism that is actually very socialist anyway. So I just don't understand why they think that this is actually going to work. Do you think they'll be irrelevant by the next election? I think they'll talk themselves into irrelevance if they continue. You've got Andy Burnham going towards the left on Israel and Palestine. So you know what purpose do the Greens serve? They don't talk about the environment much. I think that whole Ed Miliband sort of talking about what he's been doing recently I'm not sure I feel it's a grab of their sort of the pro-Palestine kind of audience and I think it's about vote getting. I think they've grabbed them. Why talk about that now? We've got so many things to be dealing with in this country like bank interest rates mortgage rates going up I mean that's just a shocker. All the money that we're spending on migrant accommodation the fact that there are more boats coming they don't want to tell us look over there there's a boat no no no let's talk about Palestine let's talk about the West Bank how about we talk about the channel let's talk about the channel forget the buses do you take buses? I mean I don't take that many buses. Not if I can help it. I get a bus every day. Oh buses are great though. Buses and trains. Buses and trains I do love a bus and I do love a train. Well look that's it from us. Oh is it? 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