Why Some Women Think Lindsay Clancy is NOT To Blame For Her Actions, with Eiglarsh and Spilbor

I wanted to get to so a lot of our audience has been watching this case carefully, both on MK True Crime and on our show. And they are not, this is not something that like our audience is in agreement on from, you know, what I've read in the mail and listened to on the after show, because Emily Jaschinski hosts our after show on SiriusXM for the people who listen live. And I wanted to play a little of what we're hearing from the, from the viewers to this show. I trust them more than I trust anybody on how they're viewing this. And I'll start with Michelle in Nashville who called in yesterday. Stop three. Well, let me preface this with, I've been a nurse for 50 years and I've been, I've worked with patients like Lindsey. This poor woman obviously didn't get the care she needed, but she never should have been left alone. I mean, I believe I blame her husband. I blame her family because that poor woman was crying for help. And, you know, somebody was talking about, she should have known better not to take all those drugs. You know, you're in a different state. If you ever read Brooke Shields, the story about her postpartum, I mean, you're a different person. You're not, you're not a sane person. And it is true that the day that she killed the children, she was feeling better because they make that final decision of what they're going to do and all the pain is gone. And, and so I'm, I'm just praying that she gets a non-guilty verdict and get some, get some, just get some really good help. Not to mention how the medical people totally failed her. Totally. I mean, who does that kind of stuff with psychiatric patients? You know, our medical system is gone down the hill. I can tell you that I've been in it a long time and lately I can't believe what goes on. But anyway, I pray she gets off because this was a tragedy, but it was caused by all the people around her who didn't take good care of her. I mean, it's pretty good, pretty good argument, Johnna. I mean, that's, you listen to Nancy Grace and you, you want to see this woman punished and you, you listen to guests or, you know, listeners like Michelle, right. Um, and say, you know what? Yes. I see that side too, because why wasn't she given lithium, admitted to a hospital, like mandatorily admitted to a hospital and separated from her children. As soon as she told the mother and the husband, I am having thoughts of harming the children. And because the follow-up kept, it kept being, did she say she had a plan? Oh no. Oh, then we're good. Then leave her for hours on that. That maybe it's 2020 hindsight. I don't think so. I think at the moment, any of us would be like, hell no. I don't care how much I love my spouse. They're talking about having dreams of hurting the children. And that will be the end of the alone time with the children until we've had three medical professionals certified that this person is of zero danger to them. The three of us sitting here know darn well that if our spouses or significant others did what Lindsay did, said the things that Lindsay said, we would have wrapped them in a straitjacket ourselves, driven them to an institution, you know, send me a postcard when we figure it out, but you're going to be separated from the children. I mean, small sidebar. Mark was dehydrated the other day, Megan, and his wife called 911. Like she took it seriously. Okay. That's a true story. It was on our podcast. So we would have, we would have jumped in. Now the reason why, uh, what's his face, Patrick didn't jump in and the mother-in-law didn't jump in and the mother didn't jump in. I think it's twofold. Sometimes you're so scared. Perhaps they were in denial and they did not want to believe that it could rise to that level. We can't blame the family members for what she ultimately did, but I do agree with your caller that many people would have done something more. Plus when you are reporting to a doctor, look, I fill out forms all the time. I want to, you know, get my hormones straight, do this straight. Do I, I don't even tell him my actual birthday, Megan. So part of it is on the patient. I shave five years off the year all the time. I lie about my weight or five pounds off the scale. Exactly. So you have a responsibility as the patient to be honest. And she didn't want to be honest for the very reason we are talking about it because she didn't want to be separated from her kids. So she lied and that was a mistake. It's true. For the first time since world war two, our national debt has exceeded the gross domestic product. America's reckless government spending keeps catching up with us higher inflation, higher prices, higher cost of living expenses, and higher interest payments on the national debt. 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In any event, yes, we do not always give the physicians the correct information. And you're right, she was definitely misleading. And the prosecution did a good job of also showing she was not taking the medication that these doctors were prescribing her, that they found all these pill bottles almost entirely full. So it is also very easy to blame these doctors because everybody's been disappointed at one point or another by the medical community. But I wanted to say one thing. I don't know, Mark, to me, there's something happening here. The husband, well, I don't think he had anything to do with this whatsoever, but he does seem like weak sauce to me. And I think a more robust partner would have said, you're not getting any alone time with the children at all for their foreseeable future, period. And I do think it's kind of a reminder because we've tried to make men into these feckless weaklings in so many relationships. And the bluer the state, the more of them you find, because I think a lot of conservative men are just hard nose on this. They're not convertible into that type of man. Not all, but I think most. I think there's a segment of the population that's convinced themselves they have to defer to the wife. And if you challenge the wife, there's something like non-feminist about it or somehow like you're out of your lane. And I think what we needed here was a strong male partner and father to say, I will protect these children and you will not be alone with them. Not until you are all better. OK, so here are my thoughts. Yes, you're right. Hindsight's 20, 20. That clearly should have happened, period. However, we're not in their shoes. There's a presumption that you want to get her access to the kids because she loves her kids. And every time he's seeing, you know, are you doing better? How are you doing? He gets the sense that she got the treatment she needed. She was having the best day possible. There's no question that in hindsight, she should have been somewhere else. Clearly they failed. But I don't know. You know, when you're in that moment and somebody is seemingly doing well and those thoughts are in the past and they somehow just had them, but now they don't have them anymore. You're not keeping your loved one in a, you know, in a padded room forever. You're going to try to get them back to doing what they love to do. And the kids who miss them and a husband who needs to work. And you believe you convince yourself that everything's fine. And I think Patrick's taking quite a beating when he was well intended. And the one thing missing for the public was when he took the witness stand. Prosecutors didn't say, you know, and they should have had it. How do you feel? How are you feeling right now? Let him emote what it really meant. Otherwise, you look like the tin man up there like he doesn't have emotion. So he must be somebody was involved. I think that they kept the emotion out. So he didn't look like the soft hearted, sweet man that he probably is. That's a good point. John, I want to play you one more from one of our listeners. Patty called in, she's from North Carolina, and she raised something I've heard from a lot of the audience in emails to take a listen to yourself too. Well, I'm concerned a little bit about the lack of, um, of the attention that needs to be brought to all the SSRI inhibitor drugs that were given to her. And there was one comment he made, um, or he said a Kashuk reaction. And that's a very real thing. My experience with that is when they loaded my younger sister up with those SSRI inhibitors, and she had an occasion reaction and she committed suicide. And so, um, those drugs, maybe she was having postpartum, maybe not. But there was some kind of a psychotic break, I think whether it was drug induced, possibly, and could very well be with all those drugs, because they can build up in a person's system. And then when she said, my heart's beating out of my chest, she was having the trouble breathing, the racing. That's exactly what my sister described when they doubled her dose. And then she committed suicide within a week after that. So I'm thinking that can you excuse what she did was horrible. But I can also say that the drug companies need to be looked at and the doctors, the psychiatrists. You got it. That was Patty in North Carolina, but she speaks for a lot of people who are very skeptical about the over-prescription of these SSRIs, which in almost every school shooter incident we have seen, the guy was on them, you know, and we're like not allowed to talk about it. You're only supposed to say they're amazing and that they're going to cure your depression. And here you have yet another person who was on them, one after the other, who killed her three children. And I think there is a segment of the population that's like, I've kind of had it with ignoring the role that these drugs may have played. Yeah. And there definitely is something to that. And look, you know, the drug companies kind of escape liability from all this because we hear the side effects on the commercials, right? This may cause this, that, and the other thing and suicidal tendencies and all these horrible side effects. And as long as they put the public on notice, they tend to get a pass when the horrible side effects take effect. And that probably played into this, but also was she taking them as prescribed or wasn't she taking them as prescribed? Because we had talked about this too on the Positively Legal podcast. Like nobody shoved the pills down her throat and then rubbed her throat like a dog to make her take the pills. And does that cut both ways? Because remember, one of the questions that jury had was they wanted to see the pill bottles. Did they want to see the pill bottles to see that they were full and therefore she wasn't taking them? So the defense of her mind was so messed up from this cocktail of drugs, didn't hold water because she wasn't. So this is a very interesting issue. I agree. I'm also personally, I'm very anti-prescription medication for almost everything. I barely take an Advil, but some people need them. I get it. You and Doug Brunt. We're on the same page. I try not to take anything. Except wine. I have to say, yes, we're into wine, but I'm fine with prescription medication, but I don't like SSRIs and I would do everything in my power not to take one. And I would do everything in my power to keep my kids off of them. I know in colleges now, my kids are in high school, but in colleges now, it's like the first line of defense. A dear friend of mine, her daughter was at a university, went to the health department, whatever, saying like, I'm not feeling that well. So boom, gave him a prescription for one of these. And my friend was like, oh hell no. But it's crazy how they give them out like candy, like there's no downside. And clearly there is. But join the community by becoming a subscriber. We really, really value your input and your support. We may not always agree, but we are always going to talk about it and respect. No BS, no agenda, no fear.