GB News Royal Correspondent Cameron Walker speaks to Dover and Deal MP Mike Tapp about the security arrangements for Prince Harry and Meghan Markle during their time in the UK.
Tapp discusses his view that any decision on police protection should be based on an independent assessment of the potential threats facing Harry and his family, rather than public opinion or their personal circumstances. He also considers the differences between state protection and private security, the role of intelligence and threat assessments, and whether the decision-making process should be concluded more promptly.
The interview also covers the potential security risks associated with Harry's public profile, his status as a member of the Royal Family and veteran, and the wider debate over taxpayer-funded police protection.
Mike Tapp, MP for Dover and Deal, argues that Prince Harry should be treated fairly and provided with state security based on an objective threat assessment. He emphasizes that security decisions should be based on risk rather than public opinion or personal wealth, highlighting the unique dangers faced by the King's son and a high-profile veteran.
We are joined now by Mike Tapp, MP for Dover and Deal. Good afternoon to you Mike.
You wrote quite a passionate column in the Telegraph last week, saying that Britain
should be more generous to Prince Harry and welcoming him home. Why did you feel
compelled to write that? I think public opinion can often go one way and I think as a nation
we're quite fair. We've seen this with many other stars and celebrities, whether it's sporting or
in other celebrity life, where the public can become quite negative towards somebody and
sometimes I think that can be a little unfair and people need to consider that. We've got a guy here
who's had a tough childhood. What he experienced in the glare of the public eye is something that
not many people have to go through. He chose to serve his country. He chose to go to war and put
his life on the line. He's done a hell of a lot for veterans, including the Invictus Games, which
has completely reshaped the world of veterans who've been injured in service. So this man
who wants to live his life with his family and be happy and find happiness is a decent person.
Actually I have spent a bit of time with him in the past in a more private capacity and that's
the impression I got. He's a normal guy who went into circumstances well and truly beyond
his control and I think that the opinions people have of him and have of him perhaps
leaving his royal role should have absolutely no impact on whether he receives some sort of
protection from the police. So this has to be an independent assessment that takes into account
the specific threat. Now I've worked in national security myself so I've looked at these types of
cases in the past so they have to look at the specific threat but also the enduring threat.
And of course he's the son of the king. He's one of the most recognisable faces in the world and
of course he's a high-profile veteran. So all these things need to be considered carefully
so that when there's a decision and if that decision is to not provide him with security
it has to stand up to scrutiny because if something happens it will be scrutinised.
With all that in mind and you talk about the threats against Prince Harry, why was it taken
away by the Home Office Committee, RABIC, in the first place if, as you say, this should be an
objective process? Yeah well of course he moves abroad and that sort of security isn't provided
abroad. But of course there is also a strong argument to say that when he's back
he may well need that sort of security. That's not for me to have a strong opinion on publicly at
least because this is an independent process that has to take into account the threats that
he potentially faces. But we have to remember private security is completely different to what
the state can offer. It doesn't have access to state tools. You know looking at things like
fixated threats there's a specific unit that the police can tap into to ensure they understand that
fully. There's also of course the intelligence that's gathered on threats and I think actually
most importantly is the ability to carry some sort of weapon which is a force multiplier when it comes
to defending an individual. Private security simply can't do that, not even a baton.
And well therefore those private securities you say you can't carry a baton, even a bus knife
really, if it's going to be used as a weapon. Do you think people or lawmakers such as yourself
should be looking at legislation for private security firms in the interim at least to be
able to carry some kind of weapon, not necessarily a firearm but a taser or a baton at least?
Well I think in this instance we need to be assessing the threat to Prince Harry and make
a decision as to whether he should have that sort of security. I think the problem with the private
security environment is it's so vast and that legislating for anyone to carry a weapon is
probably not the right approach. Let's leave that to the police who are trained to use that sort of
defence. The risk management boards of essentially looking at all this evidence and assessing the
level of threat against an individual, in this case Harry and Meghan, we believe that was carried
out at the end of July. Ravik still haven't made their decision, we're not sure when or if they're
going to be making a decision very quickly. You of course are a former Home Office Minister
yourself. Why do you think it is taking so long for a decision like this, bearing in mind they're
already in the country, to be made? I don't know the answer to that but I would urge them to make
a prompt decision on this. It has to be independent and it has to look at the evidence. Is there a
threat to Prince Harry and his family? And it has to stand up to scrutiny if it is denied because if
something happens that has to be and will be looked at. I have absolutely no doubt about that.
But the reason I say it needs to be quite prompt is because now that they're in the country they
will start setting patterns. For example taking the kids to school and leisure and social activities
which actually increases the threat further. But do you think this is civil servant incompetence,
too much red tape or something else? Because for a normal individual they think right well
this can be an hour-long meeting. We can all sit together, make the decision and move on quickly.
Why is it taking so long? I don't know. I don't know what sort of workload they have. I didn't
oversee RABIC. It wasn't within my responsibility or portfolio but I would say get on with it.
The public reaction to Prince Harry and Meghan coming back particularly when it comes to
the security decision has been mixed, to put it politely. The biggest argument for not providing
police protection is that it would cost the taxpayer money and the British public or a lot
of them appear would be quite angry. But if you look at the polling, if Harry and Meghan are
provided with taxpayer funded protection which can cost hundreds of thousands of pounds a year.
Well this sort of protection is not based on the wealth of an individual. It's based on the risk
and threat that they face. I do seem to remember that he did offer to pay but that doesn't fit
in with the system. You can't be buying state security. It doesn't work like that. It has to
be based on the threat that they are facing. What do you think should be happening now?
Should there be a time frame or is he entitled to 24-7 police protection or something less than
that when he's just on public engagements for example? It does depend on the threat.
Is there a specific risk coming from for example terror organisations or fixated
individuals? But we mustn't ignore that enduring risk because of who he is and often you know
having worked in the security sector myself you can't know everything and these low morph
individuals you might not pick up on them. So does his profile mean that he should receive
some sort of security? But of course I haven't seen the intelligence and the assessment so I
can't make that sort of call at the moment. And we know that Prince Harry's lawyers have
spoken or contacted the Home Secretary to try and get her to speed up the process. Of course
she's not individually responsible as the Home Secretary but she could potentially speed up the
process. Have you spoken to your former colleagues in the Home Office or civil servants about this
issue? So look my approach to this is you're right they oversee the process. They're not
involved in the decision making. But what can be done is ensuring a prompt decision but also
ensuring that that decision will stand up to scrutiny if it's wrong. And just one final
question. You of course used to work in counter-terrorism yourself. You've obviously
served in Afghanistan and Iraq. Prince Harry also done two tours of Afghanistan.
With all of that history involved do you believe there are credible threats against Prince Harry
and his family in the UK? It's hard to say whether there's any specific threats because I can't see
that quite rightly. But a common sense approach would say that because of who he is, being the
King's son, one of the most recognised faces in the world and a high profile veteran, that there's
likely to be an enduring threat. But that's for RABEC to conduct that independent assessment,
not for politicians to tell them. Mike Tapp, thank you very much for your time. Thank you.