Unboxing Special Cold Hardy Palms

Hey, what's up Garden Inference? Oh, that's perfect. Stay there for scale. Jeff here. It's been doing well. I'm great Got some new palms here. Seedlings. A little seedlings to look at. Oh, and I just realized I have more coming in the mail All right, so this is gonna be a two-parter. Well, no, it's not. Later on We'll cut off and I'll come back with the next shipment. I have here a bunch of sable palms I know. They don't look like much yet. They grow like snails. It's gonna be a while But eventually these will look pretty cool. I have three different types here Although I would say it's actually more like two and a half different types. We'll get back to that later I thought hey opportunity to talk about cold hardy palms So let's do it. These right here, the ones in these bags, are from Sable King, Texas If you don't know, it's just a wonderful, wonderful sable person Sable Farmer, I don't know They're on the Facebook and on the Instagram. Very informative. And this is somebody who Propagates. They get a lot of seeds going from different types of sable palms So the sable palm in general, that is a broad term, right? So that's an umbrella term for the sable species. Within the sable species, in the US We have sable palmetto, minor, and etonia, and then we have lots and lots of variants Within there. All different kind of subgenuses. So That's that's gonna be something we have to talk about. Do we have to though? There's a lot to it I don't know if I feel like it. Just kind of want to talk about these three But I guess we'll broadly go over sable palmetto. And there's also Mexicana and Brizorian There's so much to go into here I really want to focus on what I have right here But let's just say, in general, what we mostly know in the United States, native to the southeastern United States, a little bit of Some other parts here and there, is the sable palmetto. Slow-growing, shrunk palm, costa palmate Frond, meaning that it's kind of like an in-between of a fan frond and a pinnate frond, your feather type frond Really cool frond. It arches and, you know, has a neat kind of, almost like a Venus flytrap shape to it actually. Yeah Typically slow-growing, pretty darn cold hardy though These guys are good. Zone 8 being up where, like, you don't have to worry about them. Zone 8A, you might have to protect them on occasion Same thing with 7B, 8A, somewhere there You can give them a try. Main thing is you want to keep them pretty dry during the wintertime And then anything below like 10-15 degrees Fahrenheit, probably a good idea to wrap them up Though they can go down, like, briefly down to zero degrees. Even cooler than that actually. So let's get into that The exceptions, okay? So with cold hardy palms, if you're watching this, you probably already know this But a lot of us who are into the cold hardy palms, and it doesn't look like it I'm in 6B if this all goes away to a greenhouse during the winter. I can't grow this stuff here A lot of us look for seed forms, types So here's a windmill palm right here, Trachycarpus Fortunii Somebody who wants to grow this but is really struggling Maybe you're like really cold, you're a zone 5, zone 6, or these are good zone 7 and up 7B and up You're gonna want to find some that have been able to withstand some pretty harsh temperatures So you will find seed from parents that have survived really harsh cold fluctuations You know, there's lots in North Carolina, and the Trachycarpus Bulgaria is probably one of the most popular Supposedly hardy down to negative 20. I think that's a ridiculous claim. If it were true, then we would have Trachycarpus Fortunii Bulgaria growing all the way to zone 5, right? But we don't. I mean they'd be everywhere But the point is they can take a little bit more cold than just your regular Fortunii They are Fortunii, but you get what I'm saying, right? Same thing happens with the Sable Palmettoes, Mexicanas, Cosariums Black Barianas, there are so many different types of Sables But here mostly have to focus on the ones with subterranean trunks Which for me is going to be the minor Sable Atonia, not quite as cold hardy You can see my Sable minors are back here. Quite large, mine grow incredibly fast These have only been in the ground for about three years, man Four and a half years at this point, but they started putting up an inflorescence after being in the ground for two years now tripled in size Quick growers. It's not always the case though. A lot of Sable minors is one that's supposedly the most cold hardy of the Sable minors There's lots of debate over these things called the McCurtain. Well, that one grows like a snail. That's why I don't bother with it But they say it can take more colds, you know, that's one that's grown up in McCurtain County So if your Sable minor, those are the ones with the subterranean trunks and they don't have this much of a cost to plummet leaf It's just a fan with a split in it. That's what the leaf looks like on a Sable minor You have the same thing. So if you have your Bluestone Dwarfs and you have your Emerald Iron Giants, there's just Emerald or Emerald, you know, it doesn't matter. Lots of variants. What I have right here are variants Except I think this one's a lie. That one's from somebody else We'll talk about it. The Trunked Sables are Really probably some of my top five of favorite palms. I just freaking love them You may notice I have lots of big palms whole bunch, but No Palmetto's or Mexicana's, none of the Trunked types because they don't ship well Okay, you can move them all over the southeast but it's difficult to get them up here to St. Louis every single time I've tried They end up dying very very very slowly They have a soft heart though You know heart of palm the piece that grows up through the middle the lifeline of the plant It bruises easily so, you know, you can drive to a certain distance, but then they need a break so it's possible I may try and go down to Atlanta and maybe buy some next year or maybe over to Oklahoma I guess I'm from somebody who's already trucked them up and they've had some time, you know, like a Halfway point to rest and then bring them up the rest of the way That might be something I do someday and keep them in a pot because I don't want to risk losing them because they grow like freaking Snails compared to the palms that I'm used to, you know, they grow like snails the Palmetto does right? It's not the fastest of growers. It's not horribly slow, but you know, I'm saying it's like a Queen palm You know just a few years ago. That thing was in a 15 gallon container Now what's up there and you got to be picky when you're moving your plants around, right? So if we keep it in a container, I don't want to get in this huge You know, those are really pretty Mexicana's and what's this really big thick trunks on them or other option grow it myself Seedlings ship around without too much trouble. It's not too mindful of the root So in the sable palms you break part of the root the rest of that root dies Which is another issue that comes along with moving them and transporting them, right? It's why you often see the larger ones just sold as a stick once they're over like 10 feet or so and trunk You have better transplant success rate from what I'm told. I wouldn't know him might always die. So that's what's going on here I have little guys that are different seed forms They come from parent plants that have shown some really exceptional hardiness or just an unusual characteristic It took me seven minutes to be able to give enough background information to make that point. That's not ideal. I'm so sorry Perhaps I should have done a separate video Talking about the sable palms and that whole umbrella situation with the different types and cold hardiness and then done this one But hey, here we are. Sometimes it's just fun to talk about plants. So right here, I think It's hard to tell because they're wrapped up so tightly. I Think that this is a Bersoriansis. Yeah, that's a Bersoriansis. It's a green form It says green on here because the seller also has a blue form. I Didn't that's the time I ordered but I will be checking back because I would like the blue form So Bersoriansis is from Bersoria County, Texas And I don't know if it's still considered to be the most cold hardy of the trunking sables But it was at one time you'll find Yeah, pretty mixed information on their growth rate Most people say they grow fast, but they can protect the sable minor and there and there are some people like no It grows very very slowly. I don't know. These are different things. I'm not sure which is which we'll find out together The sable Bersoriansis is a hybrid. This has been shown through some actual DNA Science stuff they looked at the plant and it is sable palmetto and sable minor Which is pretty close. I know a long time ago This is considered like a cross between a sable Mexicana and some other things But now we actually have genetic confirmation that that's what it is So we have the sable minor which is super cold hardy and the sable palmetto which gets the trunk and for a palm tree Still pretty cold hardy Smaller growth stature. I think they'll go like 20 feet or so If you're not in a really warm climate sable palm growth is always no matter what type you're growing You're growing a much slower growth on these plants when you live someplace that doesn't have Well one warm summers and warm winters, you know longer your warm season meaning like over 77 80 degrees Fahrenheit Really up above 80 Fahrenheit, then that's your growing season, right? So the more days you have up there the better the more growth you're gonna have I know plant delights Great resource for plant information. They do a lot with cold hardy palms They said on their website that there are reports of this one having survived like minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit in Arkansas at one point That's pretty darn good Surviving one quick cold snap is not the same thing as being able to survive like my 6b winter unprotected. No, no The area that palm trees growing in still has a much shorter cold season than I do So that's something to take into account. So I'm gonna have to keep these potted or Do something very elaborate with them in the ground some day But since this is a hybrid I'm not gonna expect them to get anywhere near as big as your regular stable palmetto height wise That is probably get pretty darn girthy They look like they get some good chunkiness to them and I have seen these before in the ground not where I live But they're absolutely beautiful palm tree. So that's the cold hardy reasonably fast growing But probably very thick and chunky brazoriensis Cool palm tree, right? Well, that's where we get to these two right here and then the one back there That's a lie, but we'll still talk about it These right here another awesome stable hybrid We think don't know for sure. This one hasn't been checked. Genetics are still a mystery These are the sable Diffuniac which is a sable from Diffuniac Springs, Florida Stays small relatively small. I think it maxed out around 20 feet high and grows very quickly Supposed to be the fastest growing of the hardy sables They think it's a cross between a sable minor and a sable palmetto, but possibly a cross between sable palmetto, sable etonia Don't know but it's a smaller statured palm. So 15 to 20 feet tall and Quick to grow that is what us cold hardy palm people need. We need fast growing palms The reason for that at least for me why I prefer the quick growth is because their speed really Dictates how quickly they can recover from a really bad cold snap So I told y'all I don't bother with the sable minor like the mcCurtain was never interested, you know I had one it was cool had a bad winter and it took a year to regrow like two fronds I don't have time for that. Same thing whenever I've done palmettos in the ground. I have a sable palmetto That's been in the ground for me. It's behind me for about 10-15 years and it's you know, I don't know four feet tall It's not worth it. The juice ain't worth the squeeze. I don't do a ton to protect it either though It basically dies down to the ground every year and comes back You know, I could do more to protect it and I have a much bigger palm Then there's the sable Birmingham, which is another one of these probably crosses probably a palmetto and a minor that's from Birmingham, Alabama survived a really really drastic cold snap and The seedlings from that plant were at one time really really popular Some things are as popular as they used to be because people want to grow up for its cold hardiness But it grows so freaking slow. So so so slow. So of course when I tried my sable Birmingham Didn't go so well. I don't have the patience had a bad winter and it same story You know had to wait the rest of the year for it to get like I don't know It had maybe three fronds on it by the end of the growing season. That's all it had recovered It's not worth it. Can't do it. But right here at the defuniac fast-growing and Probably a hybrid from looking at it. You look at these mature pictures I could see how there might be some sable minor or atonia genetics And if you don't know the sable atonia don't really talk about that's also a subterranean trunked mostly subterranean trunked palm like the sable minor So all of these things are characteristics that just make the palm make more sense If you're in a situation like I am Where you're probably going to end up keeping this plant containerized or if it goes in the ground it needs to maintain a size That's reasonable to protect right? I don't bother with Washingtonia's in the ground anymore They can survive our winters if you wrap them up really well and you keep them dry during the winters You need to use like lights and heat on them to get up through the winters But within five six years, they're just too big. It just doesn't make sense anymore. It becomes very difficult to protect them These right here. They'll max out 15 and 20 feet, which is still a big palm But in a container, they're not gonna do that I just want you know a few feet of trunk and some giant costs of palmate from that's all I'm asking for Some nice bootstraps a little zigzags on the trunk that classic sable Look be able to get that with these they say that this one will flower in as little as five years, which is awesome For everybody in the cold hardy palm community who are constantly trying to hybridize things It really speeds the process up if you're trying to cross sable palmettos and things like that You gotta wait a long time Then we get big enough to flower could easily back cross this back to a minor and see what happens with those seedlings You can play around with things more and it's nice that there's a trunked sable that will put up an inflorescence that quickly Create more options. It's gonna be more slender. So this would be more reasonable to move around a container though It will be big and it will be heavy Kidding me. I mean, you know, I move some big palms around I'm not too concerned about that and I have more coming. So I have two also coming from plant delights. They're both disabled to phoenix So they should be From the same parent plant and I should have a very some more plant But I just think it's good to cast a very broad net when playing with cold hardy plants, especially cold hardy palms You need cast that big net so that you have lots of different Variables to place you end up which isn't like the best thing for experimentation but as far as just being able to nail down which is most cold hardy usually having a large sample size is good because you end up losing some along the way and I should also mention why the crossing of a palmetto Really any trunked sable palm with a minor is important to me. It's not just a cold hardiness. It's also The conditions that they can grow in so sable palmetto they can grow the swamps and everything They can take plenty of water as long as it's nice and warm, but you have a wet winter Just dead wet and cold. They don't like it But when you have the minor and they're with them sable minor One of the reasons I love them is because they handle our drought very very well and they handle our wet season very very well So they're just versatile. I can put them in the shade. I can put them in the sign They're a very tough plant in that regard and you end up getting some of that with these hybrids sometimes not always but with the Diffuniac and the brazorian says they seem to be much much much more tolerant of a wetter soil It doesn't mean that you should grow them in wet conditions But it just adds a little bit of extra assurance for me as the person who's going Uh-oh, if we have you know a really wet winter, you know, I would keep these protected I'm not as worried about them just running out and dying as I am with a like a palmetto remember I'm talking cold and wet and when I say cold I'm talking, you know Well below freezing right where things are frozen and then you know, it's 15 degrees at night times. Everything's frozen There's ice there's snow and then during the day, maybe it's 40. Sometimes it's 50 We have swings like that all the time and everything thaws and that's wet and then it freezes. It's awesome That's gonna kill any of these probably it's definitely gonna kill a palmetto So, you know, I'm just hoping that they can handle fluctuations and some moisture better, but in the wintertime It doesn't matter. I'm gonna try and keep them dry on the drier side of things. That makes sense winter wetness And ice obviously are some of the biggest threats to growing palm trees. So it's pretty easy to avoid those I'm gonna be repotting these into gallon size Containers you see I already have that other one set in a gallon pot I'll do that with this one to just help hold them up. It's gonna be a pretty lateral move Not really gonna be upgrading their container size, but I just prefer a plastic pot don't have to worry about them tipping over as easily as that and I sliced the bags when I was Trying to unbox them trying to get all that wrapping off. So they need to go into something like this anyways and Another thing with sables I told you you cut a piece of the root the rest of root die So when you're moving them around and stuff like that, it's best to do that at the size like this Really you want to make sure they have multiple roots before you start moving them and do it very very very very gently Try best to not tear up any of their roots. And once you put one in the ground, it's good That that's probably gonna be the spot where you keep it, right? You don't want to transplant them particularly the sable miners because they end up having a really long trunk underground They become difficult to dig up and move So I have two more of these coming and I will not now but in a few years I will be putting some in the ground and protecting them during the winter and Seeing how they do and then I'll keep a couple of them in containers I won't be doing that until each one of these is Decent size actually probably about the size of this one in the back. We can talk about that one now the I'm gonna say allegedly possibly Fraud palm, I'm not gonna say a ton about this one just yet because I really want to do some extreme deep diving on it This is a we'll say controversial palm. I only got it because people keep asking me about it and I'm like, well Let's get one in Find out I have one for visual representation. We'll get to see how cold hardy it is Sorry dog needs attention. It's been one on Etsy for a long time and it's called the sable Oregon hybrid sable, Oregon Don't know what that means. They claim that it's surviving the cold high desert like zone five or six I don't know. The claims are pretty intense with it and They feel unfounded. I'm not gonna say if they're lying because I don't know But with all the other palms all of them, there's always a picture of that parent plant sable Birmingham there's a picture of that original parent plant where it survived that horrible winter and The same thing with you don't do to phoenix and there's tons of pictures of the Presoriensis, you know, I have some other sables. There's a sable Over there. That's a cross between a palmetto and a cassara. That's from cassara and I can never say it but it's from Somewhere in Georgia that survived a really cold snap. There's a picture of its parent plant where those seedlings came from. I Can't find this supposed sable palms that are I guess growing in the high desert of Oregon Now there's a picture of a larger plant That looks like a you know, it doesn't look like a straight-up sable miner looks like it's you know, maybe sable, Louisiana something like that Can't say for sure Yeah, could be a palmetto. It's too small to tell right now with sable miners This is typically what your leaf looks like they have a split in the middle But more of a fan shape This is too small to tell and I have grown plenty of palmettos from seed size and they will have the split leaf When they're smaller sometimes, so I don't know but usually that's just a couple of leaves. This one has one two, three Four of those split leaves on it But I don't know this one's looking like it's gonna be more of that cost of palmetto shape on it. I Don't know we're gonna grow this out get it to be a larger size and examine it some more and I will do a deep Dive and a probably a full-on video on this one with the claims and you know See if I can find more evidence and y'all are gonna be able to help with that, too It's another reason I included this in this video instead of waiting to do that one separate weeks I thought hey people are gonna have stuff to add with this About the sable Oregon hybrid. It might be a hybrid of sable palms. It's been growing in Oregon. I Where are the parents where's the big sable palms that are growing in Oregon? I'm not talking about over in Portland They're talking about the high desert where it gets cold I'd like to know I want to see those pictures. Maybe I don't look hard enough So that's what I'm saying I'll be a different video where I will deep dive Maybe have some feedback from y'all to go off of when talking about that palm and worst case scenario I mean I have another sable palm here and I love the sable palms all of them I also have a black bariana and then I have that sable palmarum, which is that cross and then there's another one That's called fat chance that I have and I have lots of sable miners right because I say this is a good selection of ones to work with as Far as you know testing cold hardiness, and I'm mostly excited about these because these two right here the daffodil acts Hopefully we'll have some nice sized trunk palms with the next I don't know decade Yeah, so comment down below. Oh wait. No. No. No, hold on this video can't be done yet I got to get the ones from plant delights. I'll unbox them so you can see You know a comparison between the two they're gonna look very similar though. I would imagine there You know, it's probably from the same parent plant. They should be. All right. Hey, it's raining So we're gonna do this inside the other palm just got here from plant delights that daffodil sables and um These are freaking huge size wise though. I'd say this this is gonna be the winner. I was gonna say bang for your buck however Shipping from plant delights is no joke. I don't see my Shipping costs on here, but I think you know, it's like at least 40 bucks I'm pretty sure just have a couple little plants. It might have been 30, but it's it's pretty pricey So, you know, they do end up being a lot more expensive, but these are Wow Really nice big plants. Oh, okay. Well, hey now we have the comparison Did you know? Whatever you want to do, like I said, these do end up being a lot more because of shipping but Wow Good looking palms Okay, I'm gonna take these outside and get the paper off of them. It's raining. So good time to receive plants Hope everybody's doing well in a great day. Great. Everything's going beautifully for you comment down below Let me know what's going on with you and your hearty palms your sables. That's not rain that bad different palms You're experimenting with you have favorite varieties Pretty sure I mentioned some of mine already the ones that I have My collection just keeps on growing. I don't want to stand up. I think I'm gonna see a skewer stick it through Just lay it down on the side for now. Yeah. Hey as always and most importantly everybody keep on growing Here's that palmarum That's a nice one