Tom Holland and Jon Bernthal Team Up While Eating Spicy Wings | Hot Ones

I feel like I could black out. Hey, what's going on, everybody? For First We Feast, I'm Sean Evans, and you're watching Hot Ones. It's the show with hot questions and even hotter wings. And today we welcome Jon Bernthal and Tom Holland back to the hot seat. Let's go. A decade ago, they starred in a gritty medieval thriller called Pilgrimage, and this summer they share a screen in not one, but two of the most anticipated films of the summer. Catch them both in Spider-Man Brand New Day, premiering in theaters July 31st. And they also share a screen in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey, which you can catch in theaters now. Jon, Tom, welcome back to the show. Thank you for having us. Thank you, brother. Now, Jon, during your episode, I remember I nearly choked to death on the first wing. And then Tom- That's right. I remember that you grabbed the hottest wing first during your Hot Ones appearance. I don't know what's in store for us today, but all I know is we have to have each other's backs out here. I think today's going to be very chaotic. We get together, the wheels come off. Let's go. Mine look glistening, man. That looks dangerous. Can't do. That's really tasty. We're going back for more, huh? I'm not wasting any food today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just no small bites. But we can't act all big and bad like some grizzly bears on number one. You know what I'm saying? This don't mean nothing. You know what I mean? We got to do the same thing now on number seven. You know what I mean? You're a dangerous one, Tom. So Don, I've heard you say that you never want to let the fans down by taking a giant jump with a character like Frank Castle. I'm curious, where is the line for you between a fresh idea and a betrayal to the character? That's a good question. That's a great question. I think you can't ever get into anything with Frank that betrays that notion, that consciously he is never looking for the light. He is never looking to relieve the pain. He's looking to dive into it. He's looking to go head first into it, to dig into the wound that is his whole life's view now. I've known a lot of people who put a lot of effort into building walls around their hearts. And I think anybody who does that, there's always cracks and light always does shine through. I think it is what makes us quintessentially human. So I love, as much as I look for opportunities to turn my back on the audience and to go to a place where I can't be forgiven, I also love the opportunity to be won back and to find those little rays of light. And what better ray of light than this guy right here, right? It's good. It's hotter. You can tell it's hotter. That's different, right? And that's two, bro. That's spicy, Sean. To be honest with you, that's pretty humbling because that's way hotter. That's a lot hotter than that. It's like, where did you go? That's one to two. So exponentially, I mean, I'm not a mathematician, but what the ****, bro? That's way hotter. I don't remember that. I remember it being easy until seven. Why is that so much hotter? That's hotter. Your eyes are watering. Yeah. Are you okay? It's a shared experience. This is not for all of us. It's a shared experience for all of us. Bro, that's way hotter. Way hotter. So Tom, I've heard you say that while filming the Odyssey in Morocco, that it felt more to you like a historical reenactment than a film set. That's right. What was the most surreal where am I moment of the whole shoot for you? I think that first day when I visited in Morocco, you were working that day, and I went to the beach to just watch them work. I kind of wanted to get a bit of a jump on how Chris likes to work and just watch kind of from afar. And I arrived at the beach and I could not see a single crew member. You're seeing miles and miles of ships and extras and warriors and horses. And you're asking yourself, like, where is the crew? So then they asked me to walk down this beach and every sort of 10 minutes you'd hear rolling, and I'd have to lie down and hide behind these dunes. And I kept asking myself, like, where are they rolling? I can't see the crew anywhere. And then eventually I got down to where Matt was and his men and all that sort of stuff. And it really felt at that moment like we were a part of something that had never been done before. Akin to the sort of Lawrence of Arabia, those movies where they are legend, not just in the quality of the film, but in the size and scale and the ambition of what Chris was trying to do. Number three. Number three? Cakewalk, bro. Again, that's really tasty. It might take a second. It's really tasty. Oh, this is your own sauce. This is really tasty. I like it a lot. Maybe that's like a branding thing, huh? They make you like that, Thank you guys. For the uninitiated, can you explain what it means to achieve unconscious competence? Oh, sure, man. Unconscious competence. Yeah, that's great, man. That's a good question, Sean. Holy ----. You did it again, you ******. Yeah, look, I mean, it's something that they talk about in Moscow and at the Moscow Art Theater in terms of learning a new behavior. So for character building, they often talk about that to take on a walk or to take on a gesture, to take on a job or a vocation or a dialect. First, you got to know what you're doing. Then you got to start doing it all the time. And then if you just put enough time in that box, you'll get to a place where you don't even need to think about it. You just start doing it. And I really do think that can be applied to even psychological things and things you just want to change about your outlook on life. Wow, that's really cool. Yeah, I was locked in then. **** you, bro. **** you. Yeah. And the spice ******* went away. Yeah, it totally did go away. This is cake, bro. This is birthday cake, bro. That was unconscious competence. Yeah, dude. Just disappeared. I'm not nervous at all anymore. Like, this is cake, bro. I know where I'm for it. Maybe I'm not. Let's go, dude. Let's go. Should we jump to the end? No, I'm just playing. Oh, ----. Steady on. I know. I'm sorry. That's a nice catch, though. Thank you, buddy. It's all part. If you don't have ---- on your shirt, you ain't doing nothing. So, Tom, I've heard you say that you're actually more comfortable playing a character with an American accent as opposed to a British one because it creates an immediate separation between you and the character. Are there any other tricks that help you step into the shoes of a character like Peter Parker? I think physicality for me is like step one with any character. But the accent for me, having an American accent is almost like a disguise. You know, the moment that I start speaking with an English accent, I feel like I go into, like, press mode. And it feels like a kind of a representation of who I am as a person. But I would love to explore some more British accents because, you know, as an island, we have some of the most interesting, unique and fun accents. And I would love to do some work. Regional dialect. Yeah, exactly. You know, I think there's more accents in Britain than any other country. I think so. Why is it always got to come to? That's not a sham petition. I'm just a simple fact. I'm just putting it out there. OK, so maybe it's my problem, not your problem. I think it's a bit of a you problem. OK, fine. Then I'll admit it's a problem. But I would go out on a limb to say there are more accents in America than there are in Britain. Well, come on. There has to be. Somebody's got some sort of. How can you tell me that on that? In that little country that you keep rolling on this. He's going to listen. You really think there's more dialects in England than there are in America? Well, I would I would drink a shot of that hot is hot. No, don't say. Oh, I would not. That's right. You really? Yeah. Who's right? Bullshit. When we work together, the first time John was playing a mute. Right, right, right. You were the only person he could lean on. Yeah. And I was his best friend in the movie. And like three or four weeks before we started shooting, we'd become good friends. We were hanging out. And then all of a sudden he's like, listen, dog boy, I'm a listen, man. Like, I'm going to have to do this ----. Like, I'm not going to talk. I'm going to go full ******* method. I'm not doing it. I'm going to need your help. I'm going to need to lean on your shoulder. I'm like, yeah, whatever, man. Like, if that's what you want to do, that's what you want to do. And then for like two weeks, not a peep out of him. Right. And we all know John Bernthal. We all love John Bernthal. My man loves to talk. Right. So we sat at restaurants and he's writing down his food. These are regular restaurants in Ireland. And I'm having to be like, I'm sorry about my friend. He's just a pretentious actor. And I'm like reading out his order. Right. And then one day we were in a restaurant and he had salmon. And he said to me, can you, he wrote down, can you ask for some lemon for my salmon? I like lemon on my salmon, bro. We all do. And that's all I had there was salmon. So the lady, I said, excuse me, can I have some lemon please for his salmon? Maybe she misheard me or something. So she came and brought this lemon and dropped it in his drink, in his water. And then immediately he was like, all right, **** it. I'm talking again. It's true. You have to draw the line somewhere. It's true. It's true. On that note, are you guys ready to move on here to sauce number? I love that story. Oh boy. Yeah. What's this one called? This is a hot and saucy over here. All right, let's go the halfway Mark. This is going to be a lot hotter. Oh yeah. Here we go. That's a lot hotter. You can see right from the jump. Yeah. Oh ----. John, is it true that your first acting performance that made your teacher believe in you was a monologue about your mom giving you a catcher's mitt on her deathbed? That is very true. I went to school to play sports and I had no interest in being an actor. You just had to take an arts requirement. So everybody suggested that I take this acting class that was like 200 people in a theater. But I wound up because of the asshole that I was, I wound up in the serious theater kid, you know, intro to acting class. And it was insane. And the very first thing that we had to do, the first assignment was to bring in something that meant a lot to each of us and share it with the rest of the class. And I couldn't believe the level of emotion, the emoting and the talking about the blues traveler CD that their boyfriend had given them before school or their grandfather's corncob pipe. And I didn't have anything. So I, yeah, I just, I grabbed my catcher's glove and just launched into this story about how my, my mom had given it to me on, on her deathbed. And, and I was crying my eyes out. And, uh, I looked around and everybody else was crying their eyes out. And I said, well, wait, wait, I'm just doing the acting here. And yeah. And then, but, and then that teacher, Alma Becker, she, um, she said, look, you, uh, she, she, she read my ass about violating the sanctity of her studio. But then she said, you know, your punishment is you got to audition for the play. And, uh, that's what got me in my first play and almost the one that sent me to Russia. And, uh, I got her picture up in my dressing room. Now she married my wife and I, um, she passed a few years back, but, uh, she saved my life. And it's a true, uh, testament to the power of a teacher. And that, that one woman, that one day, you know, changed everything, changed the entire course of my life. And I really feel like I owe everything to her. That's an amazing story. The stories help the story. You know what he does too, is he, he, he makes their time, like, you know what I mean? He like, he takes time in between each one. So you forget what you're ******* doing here. You just let, yeah. It's an amazing, um, interview. This is the best interview show. Anything right now. Yeah. Let's do this, John. Okay. So this one is called tropical Amarillo sauce. Number six. Is it, is it? Oh yeah. So look at the next one. It's got a dragon on it. Oh, that looks spicy. So Christopher Nolan is referred to the odyssey as the marvel of its day. Does that seem like an apt analogy to you guys? They're really emotional. I think all of the best Marvel characters are ones that are really relatable and have real emotions, you know? And I think that when you read the poem, it's super, super emotional and really just about the characters with one of the most intricately told family dramas that I've seen. And neither one gets in the way of the other. You never feel like the scale is overshadowing the heart and the heart is never dampening down the scale. And I think Chris is probably the only person that can do that because it's a real skillset to be able to do that. You know, there's so many different communities that feel seen in the Marvel world. And I think, you know, the odyssey is a globe trotting adventure and experiences so many different cultural elements of that time, I guess. I'm sure Chris's answer is so much more eloquent than what I just said. That was good, man. That's right on. That was great. Cheers, pal. Eight dragons. What? Comes back to haunt you? A little bit. I like how you're double dipping, bro. Yeah, Sean, that was impressive. I'm just trying to keep up. Have you ever had moments where you're like, I just can't do this today? No. No? It's the cross that I bear, you know? And you bear it so well. Rain, sleet or shine, I am here to take on the Hot Ones Gauntlet. Let's go. So you're both veterans of the theater, and I've been trying to go to the theater a lot more recently. I understand that Broadway and West End shows, they actually start eight minutes after the advertised curtain time. What is it about those eight minutes? You don't want to have to demand their focus the moment you walk on stage. I think that's probably what it is. And I think you don't want stragglers. You don't want people kind of coming in once the thing started. But I'll tell you, that time, that's my favorite time of the day, without a doubt. So those eight minutes, whatever those are. I've always thought that the theater itself, there's just a lot of ghosts there. There's so much spirit there. There's so much emotion and heart that's been left on that stage. And I feel like it's an unbelievable time to kind of communicate with folks that might not be here anymore. And it's my favorite part of the day, without a doubt. On that topic, what's a ghost light? And why is it that some theaters never go dark? Yeah, it's for that exact reason. You keep the lights on for the ghosts, you know? And I don't know why. I don't know. It is just universally and forever sort of understood. And every person who's spent a lot of time in the theater, it's just something you feel in your bones. Is whistling on stage or saying Macbeth, do you guys consider that bad luck in a theater? I mean, there would be people that would be very upset with you if you didn't say the Scottish play. I try not to let myself get hung up on superstition because I'm the type of person that can really, really get sucked into it. You know, without trying to sound too much like a douchebag and too grandiose, I love the feeling that you could die out there. I love the feeling that it could all fall apart. So for me, I don't like to tempt anything. I don't give voice to it. You won't hear me. I'm not going to whistle, but I'm not going to say either one. I'm not going to say either one of those two names of that Shakespearean play. I just don't want to mess with any of it. I didn't listen to anything you just said. That is really spicy. No, Tom, you're so fucked. I don't know why you're being so aggressive. Because that's what you said at the jump. Let's go. Can't wait. This is the one. Hello, Bob. This is the one that put little Henry Bernthal on the edge. Let's go. Oh, man, I actually don't want to do this. Oh, man. And that thought didn't hit you until you put it right in your hand. Hey, bro. I remember. Bro. I remember the Lakers game afterwards. You're serious, bro. I remember nearly shitting myself courtside. You know, it's crazy. You get in your mouth. You can feel the heat. It doesn't start hurting immediately, but I'll tell you now, bro, I'm like 20 seconds in. It's hurting. It's definitely hurting. Now, I mean, you can tell it's going to be fucked up. It's fucked up and gets more and more fucked up. That's battery acid. That's crazy. You've been giving it a compliment, to be honest. Would want to eat that. It's also crazy to me that, like, there's no... Water makes it work. There's no warning. I mean, it does have like a nuclear sign on it. It's the label. Hey, man. Whoa. Wow. It's not every day that you find yourselves in not one, but two of the biggest movies of the summer. So if you'll humor me, I want to play a friendly superlatives game where I give you a statement and you tell me which wins the category, the Odyssey or Spider-Man brand new day. You want to pit the movies against each other? In a friendly way. Okay. Which was the more... Which production had the more intimidating first day on set? The Odyssey. That one. That's real bad, huh? That's really bad. Which production had the longer hours? The Odyssey. Bro. It's really bad. Oh, man. Which had the better accommodations, trailer or home base? Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not even close. Oh, not even close. You want to try some milk? Yeah, yeah. He wants some milk. It's okay. There's no shame in it. Cheers. I panicked then. I was like, isn't milk gluten? It's not. I'm losing my mind. I'll drink all the ******* gluten in the world right now, bro. Which one had the more intense prosthetics or costumes? I'm in full Lycra, dude. Full Lycra in Spider-Man. Yeah, I guess that's right. It's pretty intense. I don't want to shortchange how good the production design was on Spider-Man. Astounding. Walking through and just attention to detail. So ******* good. Chollywood is up there. Look. Oh, motherfucking yeah. Benny's costume. Is remarkable. Incredible, man. I don't know. Chollywood for Spider-Man. It took so many people to take the costumes off you at the end of it. That's the other thing, you know. But then Ruth DeJong for Odyssey. What she did is remarkable. It's hard to choose a favorite. Yeah, I'd say they're both. As good as it gets. As good as it ******* gets. The best in the business. Yeah. How are we feeling? I feel like I could black out. Yeah. You know, it's amazing how the milk helps and then immediately it comes right back. Would you guys like some ice cream? No, I'm good. That's what I'm talking about. I'm good. Down the ice cream. Wow. Okay. It's all good. I think we just got. I think we're back. I think we're getting there. We're okay. I'm getting there. I'm not quite there yet. Okay. I need another couple minutes. Yeah, slow it down. Your experience. Do you know from last time the right pace for you? Yeah. I feel like I'm totally back. Do you? That's where I was literally five seconds ago. I just took a deep breath and I feel like I'm back at number one. There we go. That's the place to be. That's where you want to be, especially going into the home stretch here. Let's go. Because if you're ready, we only have two more wings. What's this one called? Triple X salsa vibes. Okay. I like salsa. It has little red flakes on it. Bro. Okay. Look at Sean, dude. I'm not immune to it. You know, I'm no superhero myself. I'm looking at superheroes across the set. You think is it healthy to eat as much of this ---- as you do? I tell myself it is. It probably is, right? And how the spice is healthy. Is it? Yeah. I mean, in moderation, this ain't moderation. ****. So John, when you were on, we talked a little bit about your time as a catcher when you were in Russia, which made me wonder, what are the stadium vibes in Moscow? Is there anything distinctive about a Russian baseball fan? Being a catcher, that's going to be the hardest. Is that the hardest gig on a baseball field? I think so. I mean, you're involved in everything, you know? Yeah, you don't take any breaks, right? Don't take any breaks. It's very psychological. You're in the head of the batter. You know, you're talking to the batter the whole time. You're very responsible for the pitcher, for his psychology. What's the communication like with the pitcher? How does that work? I see them do this ----. So you're calling which pitch, right? How do you do that? So like, one is a fastball, two is a curveball. Don't do it down there, because that looks crazy. Oh, sorry, sorry. So you're in there. You're calling your pitch, and then you're also saying which side it is. But then there's also, there's first and third place. You're calling out all those plays. You're the field general. It's called the field general. So you're constantly talking. I feel like I learned more Russian there than I did in the theater. But, you know, it's a great position. So the catcher is telling the pitcher what pitch to throw? Yeah. Are you... I'm looking at where the batter's standing. I've got to know the batter. I've got to know what his strengths are. Do you do research on the batter before time? Yeah, I mean, yeah. I can't speak. So there's all kinds of ---- that's going on. But I also got to really know my pitcher and know how he's throwing and know sort of where he's at. Is his fastball, is there any movement to it? Is it really moving today? Is it slow? All that ----. I'm a cerebral guy, Tom. You are, bro. You are. Yeah, bro. You know that. I love it, bro. When they rush the plate and they get all angry at each other. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the other thing. Like if anybody, you know, because I do... You've got to chase. Yeah, you're in pursuit. I'm responsible for everybody's safety. Like if you rush my... I knew that the punisher was behind me. Yeah, I'm going to **** that guy. And he pitched with a whole new level of confidence. That was my fault, bro. I'll just walk to first base. All right. Oh, it's the last one. It's the last one. Come on. Let's do it, Tom. Let's *******... Let's show Sean what's up. Man, that was more than I was anticipating going out there. Do you feel like this is significantly worse than the bomb? I think that the worst is over. That's what I think. That's what I kind of remember. And even if it is, that's what we're going to tell ourselves. Hey, Tom, we're going to eat this whole wing. Okay? Whatever, Sean. You're so ******* bad. Go on. That ain't great, though. I got it out of my mouth. Look at that. Oh. Oh, my web. I might throw up. Are you? There's just so much of it in my mouth. That is a lot. That was bold, right? There's sweat coming out of my eyes. I'm proud of you. I'm impressed. Oh, that's really bad. That's really bad. This is worse than I remember from being here. But the good news is, the wings of death are behind us. You guys have conquered Hot Ones now for a second time. Motherfucker, dude. Hey. And you know, 10 years ago, you guys made a strange movie called Pilgrimage, where one of you couldn't talk. The other was the only one you could lean on. To close things out, what's one thing about the other guy that you appreciate more than you did back then with the last decade of experience? That's easy for me. I'll take this one because you always say such nice things about me. Oh, ****. As a young man in this business coming up, it's so important to find people that you can look up to and people you aspire to be like. And the way John is with his family and his kids, and the way he approaches his work, the way he is with people on set, the way he's been with me since I was a kid to now being 30 years old, is something I'm super grateful for. And I've learned a lot from him as a professional. Even today, listening to you talk about all that Russian bullshit, it was really interesting. Oh, Tom. This is so bad, bro. And the tears are my love for him. I love you too, man. I really love you too, man. The fact that we auditioned for these movies together, and we took that leap of faith together, and we get to share this moment together now, is pretty awesome. And I'm just very grateful. Very grateful that we got to do this. Even like our first day on The Odyssey was together, and we got to sit down after work and we were like, dude, how ******* crazy was that? I'm going to drink your milk, bro. And now here you guys are doing Hot Ones together, and look at you taking on the gauntlet for a second time, living to tell the tale, and now there's nothing left to do but roll out the red carpet for you. This camera, this camera, this camera, this camera. Let the people know what you have going on in your life. This is really bad. And then be careful around the eyes, Tom. Oh, ----. Be careful around the eyes. Not at the finish line. You want more milk? I think I'm okay. Yeah, just be... I think I'm okay. That would have been a wrap for the day. Man, I've got to go and hang out with all these kids now from Spider-Man. I'm thinking, what the **** happened to Spider-Man? Splatter Diarrhoea on the tears. Oh, man, Sean, it's such a pleasure, dude. Thank you so much. You do great work, bro. Thank you, yeah, the best, man, you really... Keep it up. You're such a cool guy. It's crazy that he just ******* destroyed our... What are you doing right now after this? And what do you do? What is your after show routine? You know what? I'm just going to enjoy a bowl of ice cream. I'm going to put my feet up for a little bit. As you should. And then I'm going to dive into an edit, because you know what? The plight of a chicken wing talk show host never sleeps. The Odyssey, July 17th. Spider-Man, brand new day, July 31st. Jon Bernthal, Tom Holland. Thank you, everybody. Oh, my God, dude. So it's like our intro shot, so it's like... Okay. Okay, we're rolling. Yeah, what the ****? Let's go. We *******, let's go. Take a picture of it. Let's go. You can use that. Come here, Tom. Hey, here. You can use that. Look, you thought I got none of it on my face. That's a pro right there. Oh, has anybody puked before? That might be the first on set ever. I love being the first. Can I see playback of that? Hey, what's going on, Hot Ones fans? You know you can catch me every Thursday interviewing celebrities over the wings of death. But if you're looking for a little more Scoville-laced action, tune in Tuesdays for Hot Ones Versus. It's the show where celebrities go head to head. They either tell the truth or suffer the wrath of the last dab. So tune in Tuesdays for a front row seat to the fiery fights and celebrity clashes. That's Hot Ones Versus Tuesdays on First We Feast. Don't miss it.