Inside Trump’s National Security Dumpster Fire (W/ Julie Curlee) | Mona Charen Show

Mona Charen speaks with former CIA officer Julie Curlee about her two decades in intelligence, her removal from the Trump White House, and what she describes as the dangerous erosion of expertise and nonpartisan analysis across the national security apparatus. They examine intelligence politicization, Iran and Venezuela, and why Curlee believes the loss of experienced public servants could take a generation to repair.

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00:00:00 Former CIA Analyst Speaks Out
00:04:56 Trump’s First and Second Terms
00:10:48 Intelligence Analysts Under Pressure
00:14:58 Sponsor: Laundry Sauce
00:19:05 Signal Chat and Lost Expertise
00:22:20 Why National Security Process Matters
00:26:38 Iran War Planning Failures
00:31:26 Purges and Intelligence Exodus
00:35:31 USAID and Strategic Leverage
00:37:37 Can Lost Expertise Be Rebuilt?
00:39:13 LGBT Service at the CIA
00:42:55 Serving With Mike Pence


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