עליית הסוציאליזם הדמוקרטי (DSA) בארה"ב מעוררת שאלות רבות לגבי המטרות האמיתיות והחזון העתידי שלהם. עיתונאי NTD סטיב לאנס שוחח בנושא עם טרבור לאודן, סופר ומרצה אשר במשך למעלה מ-30 שנה חוקר תנועות מרקסיסטיות וכן את השפעתה של המפלגה הקומוניסטית הסינית (מק"ס) בארה"ב ומחוצה לה.
לדברי לאודן, "ה-DSA מקיים לעתים קרובות וובינרים על "המניפסט הקומוניסטי". הם מדברים בגלוי בינם לבין עצמם על היום שבו הקומוניזם יגיע לארה"ב. הם מזוהים עם המפלגה הקומוניסטית הסינית (מק"ס), הם יצרו קשרים עם המק"ס ועם המפלגה הקומוניסטית הקובנית ועם מספר מפלגות קומוניסטיות באמריקה הלטינית ובאירופה. יש להם חברות משותפות עם המפלגה הקומוניסטית של ארה"ב, עם הארגון הסוציאליסטי Freedom Road וכתריסר מפלגות קומוניסטיות נוספות בארה"ב. ההבדל בין סוציאליזם דמוקרטי לקומוניזם הוא 3 שנים, זה כל מה שזה. הם קומוניסטים. הם קומוניסטים גמורים שמנסים לרמות את הציבור האמריקני באמצעות שימוש בלשון נקייה שניתן בקלות לראות דרכה... הם מנסים לטעון "אנחנו כמו שוודיה", "אנחנו כמו גרמניה" לא, הם לא, הם דומים יותר לקובה ולסין, זה הכיוון שאליו הם שואפים".
לאודן מוסיף: "על האמריקנים להקפיד לשמור על הלחץ, לקרא להם בשמם האמיתי ולא לקבל את כל הזבל הזה שנקרא סוציאליזם דמוקרטי - זהו קומוניזם. צריך לקרוא לזה בשם האמיתי כפי שעושה הנשיא טראמפ, ויו"ר בית הנבחרים ג'ונסון, וגם אחרים – משום שהם צודקים. מדובר בהונאה מצד ארגון ה-DSA, זוהי תרמית. הם ארגון קומוניסטי והם קיצוניים עוד יותר, למשל בדרישתם לבטל את בתי הכלא וכדומה, אפילו יותר מהמפלגה הקומוניסטית של ארה"ב".
"בתוך 3 עד 5 שנים אפשר בהחלט להגיע למצב של ונצואלה בארה"ב, בלי בעיה. וזה בדיוק מה שהם מתכננים לעשות. הם כבר עשו את זה בצ'כוסלובקיה, הם עשו זאת במספר מדינות נוספות ברחבי העולם. לא כל מהפכה קומוניסטית הייתה עקובה מדם. חלקן, כמו בדרום אפריקה ובמקומות אחרים היו איטיות הרבה יותר ודמוקרטיות כביכול, אך המטרה שלהן תמיד זהה: מדינה סוציאליסטית מובהקת הנשלטת על ידי קומץ אנשים, המלווה בהחדרת אידיאולוגיה המונית, וברדיפה המונית של אויבים, רדיפה המונית של כנסיות וכיוצא באלה. זה בדיוק מה שהם מתכוונים לעשות במלואו, אך הם יודעים שהם לא יכולים לומר זאת באמריקה המודרנית, עליהם לנהוג כמו פרנצ'סקה הונג ולנסות למתן את המסר שלהם, לומר: "לא, לא, אנחנו בדיוק כמו שוודיה, אנחנו בדיוק כמו גרמניה...", טוען לאודן.
The rise of democratic socialism as the United States raises interesting questions about the
actual goals of the DSA and what their vision for the country is. Joining us now live is Trevor
Loudon, author, filmmaker, and public speaker. For more than 30 years he's researched Marxist
movements as well as the influence of the CCP both right here at home and abroad. Trevor,
it's great to have you back with us. I want to start with a brief soundbite from President Trump
where he describes the expectations and reality of the socialist platform. Let's have a listen.
Liberal became so tarnished, but now it's communist. You know, they say
social democrats. No, social democrat is a communist. All right, just so you know.
There's no, so if you look at the people that are running, it's crazy what they're doing,
but we won't, we'll never let that happen to this country. It can't happen to the country.
Canada, there's no appetite for it. Trevor, the DSA, Democratic Socialists of America,
they describe themselves as a movement working toward the common good, promising a free,
a society free from economic insecurity. In your research, how does that public framing compare
with what the organization's own platform actually calls for and may result in?
Well, DSA often has webinars on the communist manifesto. They're openly amongst themselves
talking about the day that communism will come to America. They're aligned with the CCP. They've
made ties to the Chinese Communist Party and the Cuban Communist Party and several communist
parties in Latin America and Europe, and they have cross-membership with Communist Party USA,
Freedom Road Socialist Organization, and about a dozen other US communist parties.
The difference between democratic socialism and communism is about three years.
That's all it is. They are communists. They are straight out communists trying to calm the
American public by using a euphemism that can easily be seen through. You read their own
publications. They talk about communism all the time, Marxism, this kind of thing.
It's only for the public they're trying. Oh no, we're like Sweden. We're like Germany. No,
they're not. They're like Cuba and China. That's what they're aiming for.
Do you think it's going to work, and what might the nation do to protect itself from work?
President Trump and others rarely call these people out for what they are. You've got Flanagan
running in Minnesota, who is basically a Marxist. You've got the Senate candidate in Michigan,
Al Sayed, who has been accused by members of Democratic Socialist America of being a DSA
member and has regularly attended their events. And Francesca Hong, running for governor of
Wisconsin, is openly a DSA member. She might be distancing herself now because that suits her,
but she's been committed to their agenda for several years now. This is what we've got to
understand. They lie. Communists lie. If it gets a bit hot, if the pressure comes on,
they will backtrack. But as soon as that pressure comes off, they'll be back to their true selves.
They are all communists, effectively. So Americans have got to not keep the pressure on,
name them for what they are, and don't accept this democratic socialism garbage. It is communism.
Call it what it is, like the president does, like Speaker Johnson does, and several others,
because they are right. It's a fraudulent operation, Democratic Socialist America.
It's a con job. They are a communist organization. They are more extreme,
but they're abolishing the prisons, etc., than the Communist Party USA.
Trevor, there's a lot of folks out there that might not realize the threat. Unfortunately,
history books don't teach about communism the way that we probably should. So probably a lot
of folks don't really know what's at stake or how serious this could ultimately be. Historically,
how have communist movements used democratic processes as a path to power? Do you see
parallels with the DSA's strategy today from history? What they're doing is really like what
happened in Czechoslovakia after World War II. That was one of the few nations of Eastern Europe
that didn't go communist through force. The communists got into the government and took over
certain government departments, like the police, the security services, etc., and used that to shut
down all of their opponents, a little like the Biden administration was doing in the last presidency.
Then, peacefully and gradually, they shut down their opponents. They used the tax system
to destroy their opposition. They used environmental organizations to destroy
businesses that stand in their way, etc. In three to five years, you can have a democratic
socialist government, even one with a lot of power in the Democratic Party. In three to five years,
you could have Venezuela in America. No problem. That's what they intend to do. They did it in
Czechoslovakia. They've done it in several other countries around the world. Not every communist
revolution has been bloody. Some of them, like South Africa and others, have been much more slow
and so-called democratic, but their goal is always the same—a full-on socialist state
controlled by very few people, and mass indoctrination, mass persecution of enemies,
mass persecution of churches, etc. That's what they fully intend to do.
But they know they can't say that in modern America. They have to be like
Francesca Hong and try and moderate their message and say, no, we're just like Sweden.
We're just like Germany. I don't agree with all of DSA's positions.
If she did not agree with all of DSA's positions, she went through a very rigorous vetting process
by DSA. She's been a member for several years. Had she not agreed with all their positions,
cancelling the police, all this kind of thing, they would not have endorsed her.
She is basically lying before she's even elected.
I will remind the audience this did not just happen overnight, although it does appear to have.
You, one of the few who've been sounding the alarm for decades, and here we are.