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This video examines the Fermi Paradox, contrasting the high mathematical probability of extraterrestrial intelligence with the total lack of evidence for its existence. The speaker explores why the galaxy remains silent despite the potential for rapid biological expansion. The video concludes with the speaker's personal recommendations for fantasy novels, gaming, and television series.
Does the Fermi Paradox make any sense? How could we talk about life out there if all the planets
are just single pixels or worse? Is it all just nonsense? And in Q&A Plus, my favourite part of
the Artemis II mission. All this and more in this question show. It's time for the question show,
your questions, my answers. As always, wherever you are across my channel, if a question pops
in your brain, just write it down, I'll gather them up, and I will answer them here. Alright,
let's get into the questions. Frank Schifrin. They talk about the Fermi Paradox. We hardly
Alright, it's been a while since I've given my defense or my explanation of the Fermi Paradox.
So let's go for it. So the Fermi Paradox, this comes back to Enrico Fermi, who back in the 1950s
was in a conversation with a bunch of other scientists talking about UFOs and aliens and
the universe and so on. And the story goes that Fermi did a bunch of math on a piece of paper,
maybe in his head, and then said, well, aliens should be everywhere. So where is everybody?
And look, I think it's really important to kind of follow the thought process when you
think about the where is everyone, why the Fermi Paradox is an enduring mystery. Because I think
when most people hear about the Fermi Paradox, they're like, it's easy. The answer is the
universe is really big and we haven't even looked. So how can we say that there's no life out there?
This is simple. Done. Case closed. I solved it. Suck it, science. And of course,
people thought of that, right? That your instinctual response to this idea, it has
occurred to people before. And even thinking that through, they still find the Fermi Paradox
unsettling. So allow me to roll out the Fermi Paradox in its truly most awe-inspiring,
maybe horrific version. And we'll see whether or not you feel the same way at the end of this
conversation. So the universe is big, right? 93 billion light years across for the observable
universe, possibly infinite. The universe is old, 13.8 billion years old, that there are 100
billion stars in the Milky Way. There are probably 100 billion to 2 trillion galaxies in the universe,
each of which has some number of hundreds of billions of stars in it. There are countless
stars in the universe. When we look at our own solar system, life on Earth formed within just a
few hundred million years of the formation of the planet, literally as soon as the Earth had cooled
down to the point that life could form, life did form. And the solar system is not the earliest
that life could have formed in the universe. When you look at the kinds of heavy elements that are
in stars and other star systems, that chances are star systems could have formed life in them
several billion years before the solar system, that the concentration of metals had already built
up to the point that you had carbon and iron and oxygen and nitrogen and all these heavier elements
in solar systems, probably at the 10 billion year mark. But we're even seeing evidence of
oxygen in galaxies at 13.3 billion years ago. And so, it really looks like the universe was
concentrating and making heavier elements, the kinds of things that life would have required
much, much earlier. Let's safely say 2 to 5 billion years before the solar system formed.
So, you've got quintillions, septillions of stars in the universe, where life could have formed.
And if the Earth is kind of normal, then life would have formed on those stars within a few
hundred million years of the formation of that star. And so, there should have been life forming
on a huge percentage of the star systems here in the Milky Way, you know, tons of them qualify for
that. So, that is the argument. And we see here on Earth, the history of life. Life was pounded by
volcanoes and asteroid impacts, and who knows what other kinds of great calamities. Volcanoes
that resurfaced the entire planet, snowball Earth, times when there was a thick layer of
even at the tropics of the planet. And yet, life bounced back almost instantaneously.
Once life gets established on a planet, it's almost impossible to wipe out. Although we have
not proven it, theoretically, life can transport from world to world. You have a large asteroid
impact, it strikes a planet, it kicks up debris into space, that debris drifts across the solar
system, it enters the atmosphere of another planet, and that the life can survive that
journey. It's this idea of panspermia. And you can even take this larger that maybe life can travel
from star system to star system on rocks that have been ejected out of star systems that you would,
over the course of billions of years, you would get this colonization of an entire galaxy just
through natural processes. So that is the case for the universe that we find ourselves in,
that not only life should be possible out there, but life should be literally everywhere.
And when you consider what it's like to be on planet Earth, look around you. Now, I live in
the middle of a Canadian rainforest. And so wherever I see, I see trees, I see birds, I see
bears, I see life. But no matter where you go on planet Earth, you go down to the bottom of a well
that was drilled five kilometers below the surface of the Earth, you find life. You go to Antarctica,
underneath the ice, you find life. You look in nuclear reactors, you look in high temperatures,
low temperatures, you look up in the upper tops of the atmosphere, wherever you go,
life is everywhere. Life spreads. You have a new volcanic island that appears in the middle of
the Pacific Ocean, and within a few hundred thousand years, it is completely colonized by
coconuts and spiders and things that can travel across the ocean and seabirds and you name it,
right? So life just fills every nook and cranny of every available ecological niche that we have.
And so you would expect the same thing to happen to the Universe. If there is evolution happening
almost instantaneously on tens of millions, if not billions of worlds across the entire galaxy,
and on those worlds, you got evolution, natural selection, you've got this process moving
forward. Some percentage of them are going to have intelligent life. That intelligent life
is going to want to explore the stars in the same way that we are. Not all of them,
probably not most of them, but some of them. Some fraction of those civilizations out there
are going to want to explore the cosmos. And they would have started five billion years ago,
two billion years ago, three billion years ago. These civilizations would have reached
the level of technological advancement they're at, and then would have kept progressing
beyond us. Imagine us with another two billion years of technological progress.
What could we accomplish? Right now, we can't send a robotic mission to another star system.
Would we be able to do it in a million years? In a billion years? What would we be able to
accomplish? Well, the laws of physics say you can do a lot of really complicated and obvious
things. You can do things like send out self-replicating robot probes that will go from
star system to star system and replicate themselves, and then go to another star system
and replicate themselves and go to another star system. If we had, let's say, 1% of the stars in
the Milky Way had advanced civilizations who sent out robot probes, then there would be
one billion civilizations who had sent out self-replicating robot probes that would go from
star system to star system, make copies of themselves. You can fully explore an entire
galaxy in about 10 million years. Just 1% of the speed of light, you can reach your entire galaxy
in about 10 million years. So, imagine a billion advanced civilizations within the Milky Way that
the solar system should be just filled with self-replicating robot probes. There should be
evidence of ancient factories on the surface of the Moon in the asteroid belt. It should be
everywhere. They're drifting around these old robot factories long after the robots have come
and gone and continue on to explore. We don't see any of that. Advanced civilizations could be
building larger and larger structures to access the energy from their star. We don't see that.
They would be communicating, sending out signals in various wavelengths, not just to communicate
with themselves, but to communicate with each other. We don't see that. To send messages to
civilizations that are on the rise, like us, we don't see that. So, from our perspective,
the entire universe looks like a desert. It looks like not a desert island that is starting to have
life, but literally nothing. It just looks like it's rocks, and it's ice, and it's stars as far
as the eye can see. There is no evidence in a universe that if life is as complicated and as
big as it should be, life should be everywhere. But we see none of it. People always say, well,
we've barely started to look. We've gone to the ocean. We've only
put a thimble full, and we haven't found any whales. Well, imagine if whales came to you,
which is what you would expect. That the whales would come and move into your house
with you. That we would expect to see the explorers coming from other star systems.
We see the rocks, right? Oumuamua, Atlas, Borisov. We see rocks and ice making the
journey from star system to star system, and yet we don't see the spacecraft.
So, philosophically, it has to tell us that life is a lot more rare than we thought,
that it's not 1%. There aren't a billion civilizations in the Milky Way. There aren't
a million civilizations. There aren't 1,000. There aren't 10. All it takes is just one
civilization to fully explore the entire galaxy, to clog every star system with the
self-replicating robot probes, and we don't see any of it. So, the Fermi paradox says
life should be everywhere, but we don't see any evidence of it, any obvious evidence of it.
Where is everybody? Again, you get plopped down randomly to any place on Earth,
and you're not going to have this argument with your friend,
oh, it's really hard for us to find any evidence of life. Life will be everywhere, everywhere you
look. Even if you're dropped into the harshest desert on Earth, you'll flip over rocks, you'll
see spiders. You will see life. If you look at the soil with a microscope, it will be teeming
with life. But we don't see that evidence in the Universe. It feels like the Universe is empty,
which is not what you would expect. That is the paradox. So, any flippant answer that people give
about the paradox is insufficient. Well, maybe we just haven't started to look. We've looked.
We've looked with a level of detail. We've looked at the Moon, and we don't see anything on the
Moon. We've listened for signals, and we don't see any signals. We've scanned stars, and we don't
see anything weird that's happening. It looks like the Universe is this empty wilderness,
and that is the paradox. It's weird, and it should be unsettling, because it's not what we should
see. We should see life everywhere. It should feel like it's the Federation with ships coming and
going, and that's not what we see. It should feel like the Borg are continuously gobbling up
every star system within reach, and that's not what we see.
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interested in some of this stuff. So on the reading side, I finished the third Joe Abercrombie
series, the First Law series. I finished the third book, which was terrific. They're such
a great series. So if you're looking for a more of a low fantasy series, I do highly recommend
those. I have been playing Path of Exile. The new season of Path of Exile 1 just came out,
just launched on Friday. And as always, I'm playing in Ruthless mode, which is the — it's not
harder mode, but it's like harder to make things work mode. And so you sort of have to take more
time and have sort of a deeper game knowledge to be able to make it work for you. But I really
enjoy Path of Exile. Is it like my perfect game? I've said that about RimWorld too, so I don't
know. So I'm now reading the eighth Dungeon Crawler Carl book, which is called A Parade
of Horribles. And it is excellent, and it is always a gong show. I'm really enjoying it.
We just wrapped up season nine of Rick and Morty, and it was an excellent season. I really enjoyed
it. And I'm really excited that the new season of Star Trek Strange New Worlds has just begun
last week. And so the second I wrap up this recording, my wife and I are going to go and watch
the new season of Strange New Worlds. So let me know what you're watching. Put your shows,
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