מגישת חדשות NTD שוחחה עם ריק פישר, עמית בכיר במרכז להערכה ואסטרטגיה.
פישר אומר בין היתר: "האיראנים מנסים לקנות זמן. הסינים והפקיסטנים מעודדים אותם לפנות לארה"ב, ולקדם את המשא ומתן. אבל במקביל, סין מאפשרת את המשך הסכסוך באמצעות אספקת מידע אסטרטגי, נתוני לוויין, ובאמצעות אספקה רבת שנים של רכיבים הדרושים ליצור הרחפנים, ואפילו הטילים הבליסטיים המשמשים בתקיפות...".
לדברי פישר, "אני חושב שסין נהנית מאוד מכך שארה"ב מעורבת בסכסוך, שהיא, במידה רבה, אחראית ליצירתו. תוכנית הגרעין של איראן זוכה לתמיכת סין בעקיפין ובמישרין, וממומנת בעקיפין על ידי סין כבר עשרות שנים. הסינים רוצים שנבזבז את התחמושת שלנו כדי שיוכלו להגביר את המתיחות באוקיינוס השקט, באזור ים סין הדרומי, כפי שהם עושים בחודשים האחרונים. וכמובן כדי להתכונן לעימות המכריע על עתידה של הדמוקרטיה בטייוואן".
The Iranians are playing for time.
They're being encouraged by the Chinese and the Pakistanis
to approach the United States to promote negotiations.
But at the same time, China is enabling this conflict
by its supply of strategic information, satellite data
and the long buildup of components to build the drones
and even the ballistic missiles that are carrying out
the strikes that you just reported.
On that China point, among the many mediators,
Pakistan reportedly pushed for a ceasefire
at the request of China.
Now this comes as U.S. officials,
including President Trump, say any aid China has provided
Iran has been ineffective.
And like the president has said before,
China needs the street open a lot more than the U.S.
How badly does China want the conflict to end?
I don't think they do, Tiffany.
I think they are very much enjoying that the United States
is involved in a conflict, largely of their making.
Iran's nuclear program has been supported indirectly,
directly and funded indirectly by China for decades.
The Chinese want us to waste our munitions
so that they can ratchet up tensions in the Pacific,
in the South China Sea, like they've been doing
for the last several months.
And of course, to prepare for a final showdown
over the future of the democracy on Taiwan.
And Rick, I wanna shift gears a little bit here
because a Fox analysis of federal records
shows a broad push by the Chinese Communist Party
to influence U.S. policy, public opinion,
commercial decisions, and a lot more.
Now this is based on the official Chinese regime
linked entities that have registered
under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
And we know from federal charges in recent years
that there is a lot, of course, more unregistered
and therefore illegal activity happening.
How concerning is this?
Well, it's very concerning, Tiffany.
Since the late 1980s,
China has built circles of influence
in all of America's state capitals,
in addition to the wide influence
they exercise in Washington, D.C.,
largely through legal means.
They are basically exercising the same rights
that Americans have.
Yes, there are laws that require companies
to register if they're lobbying for China.
And of course, Chinese firms have to register as well.
But this is all governed by a legal structure.
What's really, really concerning, Tiffany,
is that China can fund and advance
all of this activity in pursuit of their interests
in the United States of America.
But the United States of America
cannot pursue the same kind of activities
in the same kind of influence in China
without the risk of broad arrest, censure.
The Chinese Communist Party
just doesn't allow this to happen.
And so there is a fundamental asymmetry
in our relationship with China.
China gets to use our freedoms against us,
whereas we have no access to Chinese society
in a way that allows us to pursue our interests,
even a fraction of the degree
to which China does so in our country.
And given what you just laid out there
in terms of accountability or pushing back against that,
what actions could we see from the U.S.?
Well, initially, the best defense is exposure.
Americans simply are not aware
of the companies that promote Chinese interest,
the think tanks that are funded,
the universities that receive money from Chinese entities,
many of them linked to the military,
Chinese military, the People's Liberation Army.
Exposing these linkages is the first line of defense.
And then constraining their activities is essential.
We have, what, 200,000, 300,000 Chinese students
in the United States,
most of them pursuing STEM degrees.
Most of these individuals receive very valuable degrees.
They go back to China.
They join military-affiliated companies,
and they help make weapons.
We have to decide.
Do we want our university sector to be open
to the people that are building the military
that wants to dominate us
and eventually take away our freedoms?
A lot to launch here, for sure.
Rick Fischer, as always, thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you.
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