Cai Walsh says he is backing Andy Burnham as new polling shows Britons feeling optimistic about the incoming Prime Minister, but delivers a stark warning that if Burnham fails to live up to that hope, it could spell the end for the Labour Party altogether. With the country crying out for change, Cai argues this is Labour's last chance to get it right.
A panel discussion on GB News explores the early tenure of Andy Burnham, debating whether his initial positive reception is a sign of genuine hope or merely \"performative window-dressing.\" The conversation contrasts his communication style with that of Keir Starmer and examines the political hurdles he faces regarding welfare and immigration.
Welcome back to the Saturday Five. You've all been getting in touch thick and fast, my friends,
and Jack says, excuse me, but lately I've noticed that Kai's tops have been looking feminine.
What do you mean lately?
I'm showing some cleavage today.
Well, you're also showing your nips.
No, I'm not.
No.
Alex Armstrong did say that somebody, that maybe this was showing a bit too much.
So write in, let me know what you think.
It looks like a dishcloth.
That's what we said.
I like it.
Thank you.
I like it.
It's good to have some moral support on this panel for once.
I bet that was expensive.
It was.
130 quid.
Trey rocks up every week with at least five buttons undone.
So the precedent has been set.
Yes, but he hasn't got a medallion.
And moving us on, Freddie says Kai is right.
Andy Burnham has given millions of Britain's hope.
But there's a caveat.
We're all hoping for a general election.
I don't think the Tories are.
Continue getting in your views.
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And we'll now go straight to the man himself.
Kai, take it away.
Oh, how do Brits feel about Andy Burnham after a week?
Well, not this miserable lot, by the way.
But actual, ordinary Britons.
Well, the results are in.
And actually, most pint-enjoying, queue-abiding patriots
think that Andy Burnham has given them hope.
Polling by More in Common this week has shown that hopeful
is the most used word to describe Andy Burnham's new tenure.
Followed by good, optimistic.
And then, of course, many not sure, still indifferent.
But this is important.
Because if Andy Burnham fails to live up to that optimism,
it is curtains for the Labour Party.
Now, I know it's easy to dismiss things like Number 10 North,
capping bus fares as sort of performative, feel-good,
short-term window dressing.
However, starting by showing that you have people's backs,
doing what you can as soon as you can do it,
and, let's be real, speaking in human,
actually goes a long way to build trust
for when those difficult decisions come due.
And they will come due.
Immigration, NHS, defence, welfare.
It's all going to come due in the next few months.
There'll be difficult decisions ahead.
So tonight, at least, I am cheering Andy Burnham on in his endeavours.
After all, it is Labour's last chance.
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Kai, it is easy to dismiss that as performative,
short-term, feel-good, window-dressing.
Thank you.
Because it is performative, short-term, feel-good, window-dressing.
Because he wants to be an MP, that's what I hear.
This is the fundamental problem with Burnham.
And again, I concede he does speak human.
Again, it's extraordinary the low bar
that we have in politics in this country now.
But he is a better communicator
and he seems like a nice enough bloke.
It's a pretty low bar.
Of course.
But the reality is all of this performative,
short-term, feel-good, window-dressing
is there because he is not willing to touch
the really difficult things this country faces.
He's not willing to do what's necessary to grow the economy,
which would be to reduce taxes and regulation.
And he's not willing to do what it would take
to actually get the immigration problems of this country sorted,
which would be to detain migrants.
It would be to actually have a difficult conversation
about incompatible cultures when it comes to legal migration.
All that stuff, the Labor backbench,
which hasn't changed from Starmer to Burnham,
would not accept.
And so you're going to get more performative,
short-term, feel-good, window-dressing.
Kai, before you answer that,
I want to bring in a surprising voice on this.
Because Lisa agrees with Kai.
I do.
I agree.
She's never coming back.
I agree, because what I've done this week
is I've measured and thought about Burnham this week
compared to Starmer in his first week.
Low bar.
Yeah, which was an extremely low bar.
And when Starmer stood there in front of us all and said,
things are going to get worse,
life is going to be terrible for you,
get ready, it's going to be awful.
So if we compare Burnham to Starmer,
I mean, I for one, I'm glad that Starmer's gone.
I really am.
He was awful.
He was the worst prime minister we've ever had.
And he really has done a lot of damage to the country.
So getting rid of him has been hopeful.
I'm not saying this hope is all about Burnham,
but the hope has come from getting rid of Starmer.
It has, and I agree with you.
And it is a low bar.
The problem is, is that a few pence here and there
for pubs, because it's almost nothing for pubs.
It sounds like a big cut, but it's almost nothing.
A bit off our energy bill,
which is going to be eclipsed by the rising energy prices
that are coming.
Bus fares for people outside of London, fine.
But all of these things are going to come back to bite
because they have to be paid for.
And this is going to be the problem
because Burnham wants to do much, much more
than these little bits, as any prime minister should.
But until he gets hold of the fact that the state is too big
in every single department, from staffing to civil service
to pensions in the civil service to welfare,
until he will grasp that nettle, we cannot do anything.
He also is bound by Starmer's manifesto.
Well, yes.
I mean, to a degree.
Can I just give the counterpoint what I think, right?
This is good politics, what he's done this week, right?
I think he knows, his team knows, they're not stupid.
They know that there are really difficult decisions,
that they're going to have to grasp the nettle.
And yes, there are some things that, for instance,
Labour's backbenchers won't like.
That's why you have to start off with, yes, small things,
but the easy wins, the low-hanging fruit,
we all do it in life, right?
You have to take the win where you can
while you work out the more difficult stuff.
Energy bills, right?
If you take out the green levies and things,
we'll take time if you want to take those out
or take time if you want to take them into general taxation
or whatever to actually bring them down.
But this is the easiest first thing you can do
to show people I mean what I say and I care and I want to help.
Louise Hay has said in an interview
that he has been planning for this for a year.
He's had plenty of time to work it out.
But yes, I know that, but decisions that are taken now,
you can't just magically take things out of energy bills, right?
Grid upgrade costs, for instance.
You have to work with the energy companies to do things like that.
You have to work with National Grid to do that.
But this, you can easily make a switch.
Do you know what it's going to bring Burnham down?
I mean, I'm no fan of the Labour Party.
Everyone knows that.
I don't support the Labour Party at all.
I am pleased Starmer is gone.
I'm relieved because at least we're getting rid of digital ID.
We're not getting rid of digital ID.
Anyone that thinks digital ID is gone is away with it.
Well, he's given noises.
He's given noises that he is.
But what's going to bring Burnham down really is events.
I think events.
Because events are coming to confess now at us.
There is going to be something else that will turn up.
It might be another, and I hate to say this,
but I just feel that the country is very unsafe.
And I think that events will happen.
And this is where they'll come and stop.
When Iran bombs one of our bases.
I agree with that.
Things can improve outside of our control.
You have to hope, right?
You have to strike an optimistic note.
Cathy has written in and Cathy says,
Lisa is spot on earlier.
Those MPs banging on about better treatment of illegal
migrants and aid for Gaza are not working for British citizens.
And Kai, on that point that Cathy makes,
how does Andy Burnham bring with him a pretty rebellious
set of backbenchers who, don't forget,
defeated Keir Starmer over welfare reform?
How does he manage to get through an agenda?
Exactly as we're seeing now.
Can I make one point about this welfare rebellion?
It's been talked up by the right wing press and by everyone,
right, even its own politicians.
Pat McFadden famously in the Mandelson text said,
oh my God, these MPs, all they ask for is who to tax more to pay for all this.
But that welfare rebellion happened in a unique context where Keir Starmer started a U-turn
where they weren't treating their parliamentary Labour backbenchers with any respect.
They weren't involving them at all in policy.
With a different approach, with a different figurehead,
yes, and with different communications and a different mission,
I think you can get that through and then some.
Right.
You can get those cuts through.
As you said to Will earlier, what a load of tosh.
And it's a load of tosh, and I'll tell you why.
Because this country now is so reliant on welfare for various reasons,
poor pay, migration, keeping wages down.
There are reasons for people.
But the moment that he looks like he might take away some money,
those backbench MPs' inboxes are going to be flooded.
And when they're flooded, they will start squealing.
What also happened since all of that is the Milburn report and the Timms review,
all of which has changed minds, Renée.
Yes, it has.
People know that the reality is it's unaffordable.
They will make difficult decisions, I think, differently to how Keir Starmer was able to.
You should come and sit in my jeep for surgery every day.
I don't think so.
Well, I think I know the Labour Party a bit better than that.
Look, MPs like Nadia Whitham, John McDonnell, Richard Burgon,
they are not changing their minds for anybody.
You know that they're a friend of the Labour Party.
Most of them are kicked out, the socialist campaign group MPs.
They are not representative at all.
They are a fringe, but they've got a loud voice.
Right.