Immigration attorney on ICE pausing traffic stops

When it comes to immigration enforcement, after two people were shot and killed by officers in the last week, immigration attorney Herman Dade is joining us now via Zoom. Herman, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Lots of news happening. A hundred percent. It never stops. I do want to ask you, what was your reaction when you heard this news? First of all, it was very tragic and unfortunate, and my condolences to the families and friends of the unfortunate individuals who were shot unnecessarily during ICE activities. It's very welcome news that they scaled back some of these more intense efforts. It shouldn't be getting this violent and having... This is immigration. It's not something that you need to endanger people to this extent. And you see that President Trump was kind of saying they're not paused, or it seemed to imply that they're not paused, calling them an important tool in the toolbox as well. So a lot of back and forth when it comes to this. Do you think at this point that there might be more training, I should say, coming for these officers as far as how to handle these stops go? I think there will be better training. The administration is image conscious as well, and they don't want to get bad publicity and bad press, and they want to execute more effectively. But the thing is, ICE is, from my experience, they are sufficiently trained. They don't really need more training. I mean, this is just from my experience. They deal with arrests all the time. They deal with enforcement all the time. I think it's more on the sort of coming from higher ups, the amount of pressure that they're putting is causing these types of unfortunate outcomes. And when you say the pressure from the higher ups, do you think that's the pressure to ramp up arrests and ramp up deportations, or what pressure is that? Yes, and to execute, of course. So it's definitely everywhere. I see it day to day. Officers, whether it's ICE officers or USCIS immigration officers or whatever, they're going to extreme lengths to do enforcement, I guess, and sometimes a little bit too far in just sort of stretching the law to the extent where it doesn't even make any sense to try to justify deportations. And so the pressure from above is just, this is what I'm seeing, to increase the arrests, increase the detention, and just increase the level of deportation out there. So what are you seeing as far as ICE activity in Metro Detroit goes? Well, I'm seeing ICE being more... There are individuals who are already in sort of the ICE system and things like that, and they're getting them to report more often. I'm seeing things where I've negotiated maybe 10 or 15 years ago with ICE attorneys to sort of drop the deportation or whatever and administratively close the cases. They're going through these ancient cases and reopening them, things that I thought this was settled 10 years ago, now they're reopening them and putting them back in the immigration court systems. I just came back from ICE yesterday in Detroit, and they're insisting... I mean, I can't give away confidentiality, but this one is this person's terminally ill, not a danger of running away at all and having to report to ICE. Fortunately, they didn't arrest him, but then now he's got to go back and keep reporting, and it's just, it's unnecessary. Immigration attorney Herman Dade, we really appreciate you taking the time and joining us today. Anytime, always a pleasure. And Charlie's coming up next with live at four of A Great Day.