Is Lance Twiggs LYING About His Tyler Robinson Interaction on Day After Charlie Kirk Assassination?

I mean, that's another confession, Mark. We now have the confession in the note, we have the confession in the texts, we have the confession in the discord. We appear to have very close to a confession to his parents. I mean, it's as close as you can get. They don't use that word, confession, when they discuss what he said to his parents. But here's how they describe it in the criminal information. They agreed that the person in the surveillance looked like their son, they believed the rifle looked like the son, the rifle they'd given him. The father contacted the son, asked him to send a photo of the rifle. Robinson did not respond. Robinson's father spoke on the phone with Robinson. Robinson implied that he planned to take his own life. Robinson's parents were able to convince him to meet at their home. Robinson implied that he was the shooter when they met, implied that he was the shooter, and stated that he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it. When asked why he did it, Robinson explained to his parents, there is too much evil, and the guy, Charlie Kirk, spreads too much hate. They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend and a retired deputy sheriff. At Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in. So I don't use the word confession, Mark, but I mean, might as well. And now we have a fifth confession when he saw Lance Twiggs the day after, and Lance said, was it true what you texted me? And he said, yeah, it was. I mean, once again, and that he wished he hadn't done it, and that he cried as he paced around the apartment, said he would talk to his parents or turn himself in. I mean, how many confessions do we need? Right, one is good enough for me to run to the prosecution and define winning by begging them and pleading them and getting them to offer life. That's why I think that that's what the defense is doing. They're getting past this probable cause of hearing, which, again, as Viva made very clear, I agree with him. The chances of this judge not finding probable cause I equate to getting struck by lightning while you have the winning lottery ticket in your hand. It is guaranteed to happen. But let me go back to the crying because I think I keep getting downloads as to why that's even more significant. A guilty verdict, I think, is going to happen at his trial, assuming this isn't resolved to a life sentence. You go to the penalty phase. You got 12 people who are deciding whether he should live or die. And death is different. However you feel about it, Megan, you would be like, all right, let's go straight to death. No questions asked. It's very personal. And when you start to hear things like him crying, him wishing he didn't do it while that would have zero impact on you and maybe other panelists here that could have an impact on at least one of the 12 jurors. And since they require a unanimous verdict to give him death, that's a concern. It's not a guarantee that you're going to get the death penalty here. And the other thing just to continue that thought, Mark, is that everything we hear about Tyler Robinson, like we opened the show today with this reporting from this well-known YouTuber. And this guy says he was contacted by a friend of a pair of them, Robinson and Twiggs. And that that person gave this YouTuber a bunch of, like we showed pictures from what he said was inside their apartment, a bunch of details on both of them, Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs. And if you believe all of this, the takeaway is Lance Twiggs was a hot mess. And Tyler Robinson was kind of fine, not thriving exactly, but not the problem, like maybe realizing he was gay. But like, that's it. He wasn't the one manic and crying and doing experiments with mold and then whisks with metal on them, trying to grow ---- in the apartment and, you know, swaying between like huge bouts of depression and then manic, maniacal, smiling and giggling while he did these crazy drawings. That was all Twiggs. So I don't know if that answers anything about how Tyler Robinson one day pulled out his gun and shot Charlie Kirk, according to the prosecution. But it's not like hearing about Charles Manson, who is this like frothing at the mouth, serial killer who loved killing. That's for you, Mark. It's not like a lifetime of crime. Absolutely. No. And again, that's another argument. I mean, I know it gets people upset to think that there's any way that he might not get death, but it's another argument to be made to the 12 people who are deciding whether he should live or die. The absence of the Charlie Manson like thought process, the record dating back to the disco crisis, which you would hope to find on someone you're finally going to give the ultimate sanction to. What he did was abhorrent without question. But again, you've got to fine tune the argument and say why he should die and not spend the rest of his life in prison. And again, that is not a guaranteed. We've seen it over and over again in high profile cases where we think it's a slam dunk and two or three jurors say, you know what? No, it'd be worse for him in jail. Let him let him live in prison and maybe he'll get killed there. Something like that. Here's the soundbite. By the way, before I play it, it's interesting because what we learned at the top of the show where we talked about what the YouTuber reported was that Tyler was in a caretaking role toward Lance Twiggs. Tyler kind of had his act more together. You know, he had a job and he wasn't I don't know if it's bipolar or what, but those huge emotional swings. And he was they described him as as Lance's handler. But like he had defaulted to a caretaking role of Lance Twiggs. And Lance is the one who is doing HRT, according to this YouTuber, like really starting to do like like off market hormone replacement therapy as he grew breasts and was trying to turn himself into a woman, which in many circumstances drives people nuts and they unleash violence on us. But, you know, along this same line, you're going to get an argument that he thought he was taking care of Lance Twiggs that day, too. You know, this hate he was so he was so he so objected to in Charlie was about this issue. That's that's what we think they're going to be able to prove. And, you know, you see Luna sitting there in a suit with long hair projecting, I don't know what, but this is going to be an ongoing theme that like this is some sort of a caregiving type situation in Tyler's head. Here's the soundbite from Lance Twiggs about the day after the murder, seeing Tyler in their apartment. And did he talk about what he had done? Didn't go into detail. He just I just asked him in person what he said was true the night before, and he said it was. I started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't done it and then kept going around and just doing stuff, I think, to keep himself busy or distracted or something. I mean, Viva, can I just say, like, I don't believe that there's no way he just said, is it true what you told me last night? Yes, it's true. That's what I was just trying to look up in terms of when the first images of Tyler Robinson were circulated to the public to identify the individual. I think I think Lance said in his in his testimony. Oh, well, Lance in his testimony. Yeah, I wasn't on. So I wasn't on social media much. First of all, I have trouble believing that I'd like to know when the first images were circulated because there's no doubt in my mind that he knew it was true. And he might have known before that text message went out to him. And when Tyler says, oh, I meant to delete that. I mean, some people can say, well, he meant to delete it to send another type of protection, self-serving protection email to his lover, Lance Twiggs. But I don't believe it. It's like that he comes in. He's admitted to what he's done. You've seen the news. I don't care if Lance is on social media or not, but I believe he is. And I believe he knew earlier than that. And then he's like, did you really do it? That part is implausible to me, except for the fact that his testimony has to cover his own ass because, you know, above and beyond his use immunity, he doesn't have blanket immunity and he needs to cover his own butt while giving the prosecution what they need to go ahead and charge and convict Tyler Robinson. But no, that part doesn't make sense to me. And I would like to know what Lance Twiggs social media footprint is because given their age, given what they're into, given their discord propensities, I don't think his social media is is nothing. And I'd love to know what it is. I disagree. My team is telling me that they released the pictures of the shooter. OK, again, none of us knew who that was. We just saw the pictures of the shooter for the FBI at 10 a.m. Utah time on September 11th. So would have been, I think, by this timeline right around when he was seeing Tyler Robinson in their apartment. He says, I saw him when I woke up. He was walking around the house so I mean, they were probably released by the time he saw him. And of course, the night before he had received the text saying it was me. I'm waiting to get my gun. I got to get my gun. It worked pretty good. Grandpa's gun got it done. It was only a two thousand dollar scope. I mean, you've been given a lot of details by Tyler, but I just don't I don't believe that just your lover has just committed a murder, a forgive the term, but sensational murder. And it's all over the news. There's a manhunt and, you know, everywhere the FBI's got your lover's picture out there. And he doesn't come back. His parents knew it was him. And you just say, is it is it true what you texted me? No, you're going to be like, you're going to know everything. Why? Why'd you do it? What were you thinking? Now, what are you going to run? And if you were in on it, the conversation is going to sound even different than that. I don't know, Dave Ehrenberg, like you're as a former prosecutor. I would think this is a stone you'd want to keep turning, like keep digging under that stone to see how far we go. Yeah, and that's precisely the point that defense lawyers will seize upon to cast doubt on his credibility. But as my co-panelists said, this die is cast. I mean, this probable cause hearing is just for probable cause, not for beyond a reasonable doubt. They've got so much evidence. So really, this is about trying to get anything you can to make life miserable for the prosecutors, to force them to come to the table and take the death penalty off the table, out of the equation. So but no, we're not there. We're not there. Yeah, that's for sure. It is it is interesting. Is that true? You know, that that does sound like twigs is exaggerating what he said at the time. It does seem like that's not exactly what he said. Of course, it doesn't. Or under exaggerating, like under underplays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's downplaying what happened between the two of them. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, they'll say, well, you know, he was they're so shocked. This is the kind of thing they say. But yes, fair enough. None of it, though, cast any doubt upon who did it and the fact that Tyler Robinson has so much information, including confessions, repeated confessions against him that he's going down for this. But fair point. The extent of which twigs is involved in this is still an open question, even though the authorities apparently, including the FBI, think that he was not involved. And that's why they're going to go to the mat with him as a key witness with use immunity, thinking that he wasn't even an accessory. But, you know, I'm open to information if we find otherwise. Megan, I guess I'm the only one. Megan, I'm the only one out of four here who thinks that it's possible that it happened exactly as Twig said. Now, I also would not be shocked if it didn't happen that way. But I'm picturing him saying, wait, is it true what you told me? Is that true? I totally can picture that. And I also don't see the prosecutors wanting to push any further, especially now because his testimony has been put into evidence. This is what his testimony is. And I don't know that they're going to push any further because it advances the state's case. And it's already been done. So I'm just saying I see it play out that way. And I mean, how you would have handled it. And you don't know what's in these people. We are nothing like these people. Join the community by becoming a subscriber. We really, really value your input and your support. We may not always agree, but we are always going to talk about it and respect. No BS, no agenda, no fear. Think about this. In 2006, $20,000 equaled roughly 33 ounces of gold at spot price. At today's prices, those 33 ounces would be worth about $165,000. 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