Questions About REF Involved in USA Red Card?!

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Jul 7, 2026
Megyn Kelly is joined by Sage Steele, host of The Sage Steele Show, to discuss the questions surrounding the referee who issued the red card against Team USA, whether FIFA is a truly corrupt organization, and more.
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AI GeneratedThe discussion centers on the controversy surrounding a red card given to a US soccer player and the subsequent intervention by Donald Trump to have the suspension rescinded. The speakers debate the fairness of the referee's decision, the role of presidential influence in sports, and the reaction from European nations, particularly Belgium.
Dave Portnoy, we both know Barstool Sports, sports analyst as well.
He said the following, and this has got some appeal too.
I know.
I think I read this.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
We have had, what is it?
Maybe 18 hours now of crying like I have never seen in my lifetime.
Maybe when the Patriots were on their run in the flight gate, things like this.
Maybe Michigan, Brandon Walker.
But this on a global scale, the crying, the Euro tears, the sheer whippery of Europe regarding
this decision.
Everything from Belgium is lowering up, Belgium should play, UEFA, this is illegal, you can't
do this.
And it all stems from one thing and one thing only.
People say, oh, you don't like Trump and this and that.
No, no, no, no.
They don't like that we're getting good at soccer, boys.
The Europe is petrified because if we're good at soccer, they got nothing.
We're bigger than they are.
We're badder than they are.
We bail them out in every world war.
We are the United States.
We're the bully.
We're the tough guy.
And this is the one sport we've never paid attention to.
Sorry, but now we're getting interested.
I like it.
I have to say it's got inherent appeal.
I like to visit Europe.
I'm fine with Europeans, but they are a bunch of whiners.
And America's got 330 million people, and if we really get serious about soccer, they're
in trouble.
I agree.
I agree with all of it.
I think that we've always been the laughingstock in the soccer world, and that's why all of
our best players do what?
They go overseas to play because that's where the absolute best soccer is played.
And it's football there, right?
They laugh at our American football.
Football, everywhere else except North America, is soccer.
Again, with Donald Trump, and I wrote this down, he said, the red card equaling a game
suspension is dumb.
It has always been that way.
There's nothing new here.
So sometimes I'm like, I just want him to just do a little bit more homework before
we speak about things.
And at the end of the day, I am planning my entire afternoon and evening around watching
this game, and I will be cheering just like you.
And especially glad that he's gonna be there.
I can't believe it, but I too will be watching this.
Here is a little bit more on the ref, okay, who Trump was blasting.
So our guy received a straight red card from referee Raphael Klaus after a video review,
but the decision was widely condemned as extremely harsh.
Klaus did not even award a free kick initially, despite standing yards from the incident.
This is what I was saying.
At first, he didn't even call it.
Like he wasn't bothered by it at all, but was encouraged to review the incident by the
video assistant referee.
Now here's the post on Klaus and his previous controversies.
He previously was investigated by his home country due to a 2024 CPI parliamentary inquiry,
which summoned the 46 year old as a witness regarding match fixing, sage steel and sports
betting.
Multiple clubs, primarily Botafogo, raised concerns over Klaus's decisions and alleged
patterns of irregular cards in series A matches.
Klaus was found not guilty of wrongdoing by the Brazilian football confederation and face
no charges as investigators found no direct evidence linking him to any scheme.
He wasn't punished and his involvement in the Brazilian investigation did not hinder
FIFA's decision to deploy him as a top official at the highest level.
Guilty.
Yes.
And guess what?
Let's talk to the president of FIFA.
We knew this coming in.
So as far as the FIFA governing body, when you've got a guy with that kind of a resume,
why the hell is he allowed to even participate in this World Cup in this role?
Like he should have been completely disqualified ahead of time.
And the only time we're bringing it up now is when it inconveniences us.
And I agree.
There were missed calls throughout that game from the same guy.
I mean, he ignored calls and with players being pulled down by their jerseys.
Like I don't like the guy ahead of time because most of us knew that this was an issue.
Why is he allowed in?
And that's the bigger picture going forward, right?
Is that every single referee official needs to be investigated when it's something this
big.
By the way, just like in the NFL, it takes years and years.
You start in high school and then college and then you get hopefully to college football
playoff before.
It's 20 years before you're allowed to be an NFL referee.
You assume that it is a similar setup with the World Cup and with soccer where you're
starting low and earning it.
And if you don't do a good job officiating in the NBA finals, you'll never get asked
back.
But you have to be really good to get to that point.
It absolutely should be the same way.
It goes back to the corruption with FIFA that has been rampant for years.
Why they allowed him in, I don't know.
It shouldn't have gotten to this point.
It did deserve a penalty.
A yellow, maybe.
Not a red.
But that is the rule.
If you get a red, you're out.
And go USA.
I mean, but can I just ask you, wouldn't any team contest this?
It's just we went a little higher up the food chain than most, but any team would contest
this.
We didn't.
I'm pretty sure Team USA didn't say, hey, get the White House on the line.
Maybe he can help us out.
Like no, Trump picked up the phone himself and made the call once he realized what had
happened.
And it is unfair.
And as my dad always told me, life isn't fair, sports aren't fair.
So do we go have, we didn't ask for the president to get involved.
I want to make that clear.
I don't want people from around the world to be mad at Team USA.
You can be mad at our commander in chief and maybe mad at FIFA president and everybody
else who was involved in the decision to rescind the red card.
But this isn't Team USA.
Let's not take it out on the Americans.
And of course the Euros probably will, especially if we go on to win this game.
But at the end of the day, I don't know what could have been done differently by the Americans.
If it were reversed, I would be upset.
I think Argentina's one of the ones favored to possibly win.
Yep.
Again.
Spain, right, is another one.
The Americans are not favored to win the whole thing.
I feel like we're arguing over just how far we advance or Belgium advances.
Okay.
But they might.
And you know what?
If we win the whole thing, yes, it's going to be very controversial.
No, but go back to the 1980 US hockey team.
There were no expectations for us.
And the miracle on ice, like it happened.
This could happen, Megan.
You don't know, especially with what has happened in our country.
They said that that game also had an asterisk because did that last goal go in before the
buzzer or not?
So none of this is fair.
Right.
But I don't care.
We don't care.
We don't.
We think it's fine.
We're just asking to have our best player play the game.
That's it.
Not with any particular advantage.
And he was wrongfully punished.
I want to.
I'm praying that Belton doesn't get their way with this appeal.
Right.
Because there could be a change before the game starts.
So because they have a right to do that, too.
And if I'm them, I'm doing the same damn thing.
This is this is where I'm listening to Belgium.
What have they given us besides the waffle?
They have given us a Steve Jobs.
They can come to the table and bargain equally about presidential power and its use or misuse.
The only thing that's missing that, Megan, the only thing that's missing is an F-bomb
from you.
Like, I've been waiting.
Come on.
I'm doing better, Sage.
I'm trying.
No, I'm not really.
I mean, I'm mildly trying to cut back mildly.
Wait, I want to give you one more day, Fortnight.
Here he is in 12 a.
I'm going to need some fact checking from fact check people, but I've seen a lot of
talk that this has been done before in the World Cup, like Ronaldo had his suspension
pushed off a bunch of things.
So it's not the first time this has ever happened.
It was the right call.
And for and this is united a nation, I'll also say.
And I know, Bob, you're not a Trump guy and I don't know people's politics.
If you are against this and you're a United States citizen deported, I want you out of
the country.
If you have a problem with this guy playing because you're letting politics get in the
way, you know, like Trump played play some phone call and you think this is wrong, deported.
I want you on the first bus plane train.
See you go live somewhere else.
This is about winning soccer.
You know what?
I think there's a few people that I'd like on the list ahead of those of us may be questioning
that.
I'd like to have to afford it.
It's a very long list of people.
I'd love to have deported.
And I know we probably agree on a lot of those people.
Yeah, it's hysterical, Courtney.
Like that's why Dave Porter is a genius, too.
He just comes on and he and he tells it like it is.
You know, the last thing I'll say is that is that what if because they were still reviewing
this?
What if they were going to send that red card on the run before the president got involved?
And by the way, maybe the president got involved and he didn't have to tell us and no one would
know.
And this controversy wouldn't even be a thing.
Oh, I mean, it's in The Wall Street Journal today.
All the backstory about how Harold Lucknett, Lutnick, Rudy Giuliani's son, Andrew Giuliani
works for the administration, came up with a plan like, how are we going to get this
reversed?
Are we going to get the big guy involved?
He's going to make a phone call like that.
They're pretty much owning it.
It's not like the White House is denying that he made the call or got involved.
It's just a question of nuance, like what was said exactly.
The president could have kept this on the DL and just kept it a secret.
I didn't tell him what to do.
I just made clear, you know, that was a the rent stays like before.
I love it, Sage.
Thank you for helping us understand it and explaining it to us.
It's wonderful to see you.
Great to see you.
Have fun watching tonight.
Yeah, you too.
All right.
Well, and we'll we'll redux tomorrow and see what happened.
Hopefully this call does not get reversed.
I don't want to hear it, Belgium.
Go work on becoming great in your own right before you try to tear down our soccer players.
We just want our guy to play.
The red card does not seem like it was an appropriate call.
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