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'I don't know anything about him... I hear he's extremely liberal.'
Beverley Turner asks US President Donald Trump about the possibility of former Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham MP becoming Prime Minister of Britain.
Donald Trump and GB News panelists discuss the UK's perceived national decline, focusing on the Labour government's \"socialist\" policies. Trump criticizes the abandonment of North Sea oil in favor of wind energy, while panelists debate the UK's diminishing global influence, rising crime, and economic instability, suggesting the nation is becoming unattractive to international business and tourism.
Just though, President Trump and NATO Chief Mark Rutter were face to face in the Oval
Office this afternoon with the President once again turning up the heat on America's allies
and raising fresh questions about the future of the NATO alliance itself.
But while the world's media was focused on bombs and who's paying what, GB News decided
to ask the question that Britain wanted answered.
I was stood there waiting, eye contact with POTUS.
Here I am.
GB News is here.
I've got my bright yellow dress on.
He's going to catch my eye.
What does Donald Trump make of the man tipped to replace Zakir Starmer?
So I put Andy Burnham's name directly to the President and let's say the answer was not
exactly a ringing endorsement.
You mentioned that our career series has got one foot out the door.
The new guy's coming in, Andy Burnham.
What do you know about him, Mr. President?
And what do you need to do to improve the relationship?
Do you know about who?
The new incoming Prime Minister, Andy Burnham.
I don't know.
I haven't met him.
I see that he was, I guess, the mayor of a town.
I hear he's extremely liberal, extremely.
So that means he probably won't open up the North Sea.
You know, I gave, uh, I gave Kier Starmer some pretty good advice.
I said, open up the North Sea.
Go to Aberdeen, which was the hottest city in the whole, in the whole continent.
It was the oil city.
It was the oil of, of Europe.
And they closed everything.
It was terrible.
I saw it, I saw it before my eyes and I couldn't believe it.
The North Sea is loaded.
I have had every oil company come to see me, sir, could you give us access to the UK?
We would do anything to drill in the North Sea.
And they haven't even found what's there.
The amazing thing is they buy their oil from Norway, which gets the oil from the North
Sea.
Think of it.
And they pay a big premium.
Norway's got now $2 trillion in the bank and UK is dying.
So they should open up the North Sea and it's an easy one and a lot of good things are going
to happen.
It's, it's among the greatest fields in the world.
Right.
Well, that was question one and we'll get to question two in a little while, but let
me take this to my panel, Niall Gardner.
I was genuinely shocked when he said he didn't know who Andy Burnham was.
I get it.
I understand that.
He's a busy man.
He's got a lot on.
But doesn't it tell you a lot about his relationship with the UK that he's not interested?
That was what surprised me.
He didn't say, oh yeah, I've been looking at him.
He's interested.
I've had a briefing about him.
Nothing.
It's like, I don't know.
He's the mayor of a town.
That's very striking really.
The fact is Andy Burnham is a complete non-entity outside of the UK and even within the UK,
there are large numbers of British people who don't know who Andy Burnham is.
Here in the United States, hardly anyone knows who Andy Burnham is and he could well be the
next Prime Minister.
Of course, Donald Trump is a very good judge of character.
He did say that Andy Burnham, of course, is very liberal and that's spot on.
I think that Burnham is just as left-wing as Keir Starmer.
He could well be even worse than Keir Starmer, which is a damning indictment of the state
of the Labour Party.
But it's very clear that we're dealing with a government that has, in the UK, that has
very little credibility.
It's viewed by the White House as a lame duck government in Downing Street.
Doesn't matter who takes the reins of power under Labour.
This is a pathetic, weak-kneed, far-left-wing socialist government that's destroying Britain
and that's how the Labour government is viewed here in Washington.
So it doesn't make any difference whether you've got Keir Starmer or Andy Burnham or
Angela Rayner or Ed Miliband or any of the other sort of clownish figures who are seeking
to lead the Labour Party.
They're all intent on destroying the United Kingdom.
Jonathan, Jonathan, is that fair?
No, of course it's not fair, Bev.
Nothing Niall says is based in fact, it's just hyperbole that he sort of, you know,
deploys to be a shock jock, a wannabe shock jock.
You know, I don't take any of it seriously.
Clearly this is not a socialist government.
I wish that it were a socialist government.
I would give anything for it to be a socialist government with truly progressive policies.
Instead, what Starmer did for two years was tap to the right and try to win over reform
voters who were never going to vote for Labour because they wouldn't vote for the ersatz
version where they could vote for the real thing.
And as a result, Starmer completely alienated both the Labour base and people on the left
who might have voted for Labour and also people on the right who would have voted, who would
plan to vote for reform and didn't go back to Labour because they saw that Labour was
flip-flopping on major issues and that Starmer didn't have any real core principles.
Let's just, let's look forward, just look forward then just very briefly because I want
to bring other people in, but Jonathan, but do you see Andy Burnham being more socialist
than Keir?
Is he going to ramp up taxes for everybody?
Is he going to spend liberally?
Is he going to create more benefits culture?
Just briefly, is that what you're hoping for?
No, for one simple reason, that he is hamstrung by the 2024 Labour manifesto.
If he wanted to raise key income taxes or national insurance or VAT, that would be in
breach of the Labour manifesto.
And I don't think that he would have a mandate to do that.
And obviously he's also said that...
I don't think there's anything that's in their manifesto.
I think they've just added a load of stuff that wasn't in the manifesto anyway, haven't
they, Hillary?
Clearly Andy's going to try, clearly Andy's going to try and Andy Burnham's going to try
to bring a slightly more progressive tone to government to maybe increase some taxation
or borrowing in some ways, but he's also committed to Rachel Reeves' borrowing fiscal rules.
So I don't think there's going to be any major transition.
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Well, I actually think he's going to take us right back to the 1970s with the failed
Britain and of course it was Margaret Thatcher who said that the problem with socialism is
you run out of spending other people's money.
Right now, factually, factually, every 45 minutes a millionaire leaves the UK.
Which isn't just like it was in the 1970s with the great brain drain when anybody that
could get a job anywhere else was leaving the UK.
And what I would say is Andy Burnham has already declared that he wants to nationalise a lot
more industries.
And so what you're going to see is exactly the same when you saw in the 1970s, you saw
electricians on strike, there were all the rubbish bins, they were on strike, the railroads
were on strike.
And it was very hot outside.
It's very similar.
1976, yes.
I think you're going to see the same exact pattern and then we'll need somebody like
Margaret Thatcher who obviously now was absolutely correct on all his points.
You're going to need someone, hopefully someone like a Nigel Farage could actually bring Britain
back just like Margaret Thatcher did.
Let's have a look at part two of my exchange with the president earlier today.
Here we go.
You know, I get along well with Stomber.
I disagreed with Stomber.
I said, you have two problems, immigration and energy, and crime too, by the way, crime.
You have a terrible mayor of London, by the way, I don't want to cause any problems, but
your mayor of London is grossly incompetent, a bad person, and a horrible representative
for your country.
You know that.
That's why you're smiling and laughing and still, you know, the mayor of London is a
horror show, but you have a crime problem.
You have an immigration problem.
The immigration helps cause the crime, by the way, and you have a tremendous energy
problem.
You're building stupid windmills all over the country and they don't do the job.
You have the greatest oil field in the world.
One of them.
It's called the North Sea oil.
All you have to do is bid it out to Exxon, Chevron, Shell, British Petroleum.
They're begging to go there and pay billions of dollars.
And because the, the left is so crazy, they don't want the money and the country is losing.
I mean, it's going to go, your country is going to go bankrupt.
Think of it.
You have one of these.
Now, most countries don't have that.
You have the North Sea oil and you have the best part of it.
Think of it.
You go to Norway, who doesn't have the best part of it, and you give them, and they have
$2 trillion in the bank, you know, they have $2 trillion, maybe more because the UK pays
them all this money and others, but you have one of the greatest fields.
And I told this guy 15 times, and he wouldn't do it.
I said, you're going to lose your prime ministership and he didn't.
In fact, I called him about three days on the run.
Remember I said he was leaving?
I wonder if that nudged him out.
He also said, I asked him, should Andy Burnham be the first, should you be the first person
Andy Burnham comes to visit?
And he just went, no.
Niall, go on, react to that, what we've heard there from the president.
Yes.
Well, of course, the president is 100% right about Sadiq Khan, who is a real horror show.
I mean, he is the most dangerous mayor in the history of London, an absolute disaster.
And the president calls him out every time.
And the damage that Sadiq Khan has inflicted upon the people of London is absolutely immense.
And just to respond to Jonathan's comments earlier.
Oh, that you were shock jock.
And so, firstly, it's good to see that Jonathan's no longer wearing his pyjamas on the show.
So that's an improvement.
But I have to say, I don't think Jonathan would be part of any brain drain from Britain.
Because the jury's out on whether or not he actually has a brain.
But Jonathan, I think you're living in a complete delusional world.
If you think that somehow Andy Burnham is going to improve the state of Britain.
And I think that there's zero evidence at all that Andy Burnham's going to improve the country.
But going back to President Trump's excellent remarks earlier.
The president's 100% right in pointing out that the UK is in a real state of decline.
And the decline of London under Sadiq Khan and Labour is absolutely horrific.
And so I'm glad that we have the leader of the free world, the president of the United States,
pointing out the state of decay in the United Kingdom at this time.
And we do have a Labour government that is in complete and absolute denial, frankly,
about British decline.
And we need to see the kind of leadership that's prepared to reverse that decline.
I think we will see that leadership eventually.
But the reality is the UK's image here in the United States is at an all-time low.
Could it fall any further?
I doubt it.
And that's what struck me, Hilary, today when I was in the Oval Office,
was the kind of dismissal of the UK.
And I keep hearing that actually there's policy meeting going on.
And you might know the same thing, Niall, that actually there are policies being drawn up,
which is moving America to be closer to the Middle East,
post-Iran and how those countries have come together.
And the Abraham Accords, of course, will focus at that.
And the Gulf Coast state is going to be working closely with America.
Also, interestingly, Eastern European countries, Hungary, Poland, et cetera,
in place of us, I think they've just rolled us up into a little ball
and they've just flipped us off the desk is how it feels at the moment.
I think what we're seeing is a realignment of the world order.
And that's all by self-selection, deselection.
And one of the things I think in terms of just, if I might add to the American image,
people here, basically the comment always is Europe is like a museum.
It's a lovely place to visit and see what was the past, culturally, et cetera,
but that there's not a lot going on there business-wise.
And I would say we've focused on, and I was mentioning about
the great brain drain from the UK, but also people hear about the crime.
They hear about the knifings in London.
They hear and they don't think that they're going to be safe there anymore.
And I think that obviously, I don't have at my fingertips tourism numbers,
but I think that definitely has affected tourism.
And that obviously is a huge source of income for the UK in addition to all the business.
We just have to clarify, of course, that Sadiq Khan is not here to defend himself
and he would absolutely dispute the characterisations that we've heard.
And of course, he's been voted in, I think three times, isn't it now, as London Mayor.
You can't deny his popularity within the capital.
Who wanted to comment?
Christo, let me come to you on that and what we've heard from President Trump
this afternoon in relation to Andy Burnham.
It's just, you know, I think it's just a shame that we are now such an irrelevant,
but also I think that Trump is a businessman, right?
And the idea of us being so socialist in our ideology when it comes to the United Kingdom
will be something that he will absolutely be horrified by,
because it implies we're not a country he can do business with.
And I would take issue with anyone that says that we're not socialist
when we've got the highest taxes in history,
one new tax every 10 days, most of which weren't in the Labour Party manifesto.
So I've no idea how on earth Andy Burnham would be expected to keep to that.
We've got, you know, public sector pay rises,
which ended up to be at the tune to billions.
We've got the highest debt level in history,
£12 billion on debt interest alone just last month.
We've got the state interfering in our social media posts
and in every other aspect of our lives.
The idea that we are not sort of a socialist state at the moment is for the birds.
Absolutely.
And I think what I found today in the Oval Office
was that Trump is so frustrated by the UK,
because he really genuinely is an Anglophile.
He loves Great Britain.
He gets all dewy-eyed because of his mother.
And he gets all dewy-eyed about Scotland.
He gets all dewy-eyed about the royal family.
We've seen it in action.
And when he was saying,
I told your Prime Minister,
I told him he had to fix energy and he had to fix immigration.
I think the frustration,
I think he feels quite paternal towards the UK, actually.
And I think he feels like he was telling his favourite son,
do this, do this, do this, you're going to lose your job.
And his favourite son ignored him.
And I think the frustration now is,
well, I told you to fix it.
I liked him.
He goes, I liked Starmer.
But he didn't do as I said.
He didn't do as he said.
And I think one of the biggest problems with the Labour government
is not one of them, let me repeat that,
not one of them has ever started a business
or even worked in the business arena.
And sometimes it's just bankrupt, Hillary.
Trump can't run a business.
That goes to, I argue that Starmer should stay.
Why? Because I think now that we,
if we end up with Burnham or someone else,
nothing's going to change.
What it's going to do is give the Labour Party
and this Labour government more mileage
in the eyes of the media and in the eyes of the electorate.
They'll say, oh, give him a chance.
Give him another year.
None of the crazy left wingers on the back benches
are going to change.
We're still going to have a massive,
a benefits bill that's likely to hit 400 billion
by the end of this decade.
If all of that isn't socialism,
then my God, I don't know what is.
So you sort of, so presumably you support
scrapping the triple lock then, Chris, so don't you?
Because that's socialism in action, isn't it?
Giving benefits to pensioners.
I'd quite like to.
Presumably, but you don't support that, do you?
Because you actually don't oppose socialism.
You just oppose socialism for people that you don't like.
Well, if you could let me respond,
I don't oppose it for people who've paid into the system
and done the right thing, because at the moment,
those people that have done the right thing
and they're doing the right thing,
working hard, paying into the system,
are the ones that are on the back of the queue.
Just own the fact that you don't actually have a consistency.
Most people don't see pension as a benefit like that.
On that issue, we saw those phenomenal statistics
last week about the fact that in our major cities in the UK,
nearly 50% of our social housing is occupied by people
that were not born in the UK.
And if that doesn't worry you as a taxpayer,
I don't know what will.
I can't help you if that isn't problematic to you.