Fresh debate has erupted over the origins of Covid-19 following the release of new US intelligence files that have reignited questions about what government officials and health authorities knew during the pandemic. The documents have sparked renewed scrutiny of earlier statements made to Congress and have fuelled ongoing arguments about transparency, accountability, and the handling of information during one of the most significant global health crises in modern history.
Reacting to the reports, Paul Duddridge, host of The Politics People Podcast, argues that there is little genuinely new in the latest revelations and questions whether the documents significantly alter the existing understanding of the Covid origins debate. His comments highlight the continuing divide between those who believe the latest disclosures are groundbreaking and those who see them as part of a long-running political controversy.
Meanwhile, Ben Leo delivers a passionate response, claiming that millions of people were misled about key aspects of the pandemic and demanding greater accountability from those involved. As questions continue to surround the origins of Covid-19 and the decisions made by public officials, the debate shows no sign of fading. Watch the full discussion for expert analysis, political reaction, and the latest developments surrounding the newly released intelligence files.
Tulsi Gabbard has released documents alleging that Dr. Anthony Fauci manipulated intelligence to suppress the COVID-19 lab-leak theory and funded illegal gain-of-function research. The discussion reflects a profound distrust of public health institutions and criticizes the severe societal and economic damage resulting from pandemic-era mandates and government policies.
Let's move on, shall we? The outgoing U.S. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard
has today dropped never-before-seen communications and documents related to the origins of COVID-19,
alleging they reveal links between U.S.-funded research,
the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and actions by former top U.S. health official Anthony Fauci.
Now, in support of President Trump's maximum transparency mandate,
today, on my final day as Director of National Intelligence, I'm releasing
never-before-seen communications and documents that expose exactly how Fauci worked with
politicized career leadership in the intelligence community to suppress the truth about his actions,
the virus's lab-leak origins, and his role in directing U.S. funding for this dangerous
research that caused immeasurable harm and countless lost lives.
Well, well, well. Let's speak to host of the Politics People podcast,
Paul Dutheridge. Paul, Anthony Fauci, allegedly, is a wrong-un. Who would have guessed?
Yeah, look, this is – everybody's very excited on, you know, my side of the political spectrum
at the moment about this dump of documents, but I'm not seeing anything different to what's been
said for years since Fauci came on the scene. The allegations that have come up in this dump
of documents from Tulsi Gavard today – and again, this is her last day in office, and apparently
it's a tradition to dump documents on your last day in office. I didn't realize this till today.
There's nothing new. There's nothing new. The allegations are finally clarified,
they're in black and white. However, it's everything that the so-called conspiracy
theorists have been saying all along – that Fauci allegedly lied to Congress,
that Fauci allegedly was funding gain-of-function in the Wuhan labs and was steering the intelligence
services to construct a narrative that it was natural, not lab-based. And so there's nothing
new in all of these. I'm slightly disappointed myself that Tulsi Gavard is bringing these
documents to light and now leaving the scene. Well, I mean, she's leaving. Yeah, it's a shame
she's going, actually. But I mean, look, sue me, Anthony Fauci. Sorry, Dr. Robert F. Kennedy,
Jr. wrote a book about Anthony Fauci called The Real Anthony Fauci with a litany of horrific
allegations against him. Has he been sued? No, because they're probably mostly true. I'm telling
you now, Anthony Fauci, come for me. You were a liar during COVID. You said those vaccines stopped
transmission time after time. They did not. You made Americans, you encouraged Brits to get
vaccinated with an experimental gene therapy that you said would protect granny. It didn't because
Pfizer never once tested in their clinical trials for transmission. He admitted that he made up the
six feet apart advice about social distancing and also the gain-of-function research using
American taxpayer dollars for gain-of-function research, which was banned in the United States.
So he did it via the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that's where, allegedly, the origins of COVID
came from. If you even mentioned that kind of talk five or six years ago, Paul, you would be
cancelled. You would be shunned from society. You'd be banned from social media. And now, as you said,
the conspiracy theorists are true. And what's the age old saying? What's the difference between
a conspiracy theory and the truth? Well, normally, it's about six months. In this case,
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Look, 100%. My concern is I don't know if there is enough... Look, the conspiracy theories are fantastic
and they do a great service. You know, they bring stories to light because, you know, the
establishment are not going to release this kind of information otherwise. But they also soften the
blow. This is the thing. This is not much of a shock to policy wonks and nerds like ourselves.
This is of great interest. I don't know if there is the political appetite to bring Fauci to justice.
That's my concern. I would like to have seen Tulsi Gabbard... I agree with you. Sorry to interject. I agree
with you. There is no appetite. I think people just want to move on from COVID because it was a horrendous
time. Economies were wrecked. Children's lives were wrecked. People's health profiles were wrecked
when they didn't need to get injected with those vaccines when they were told they should do.
And there is no appetite. And also, he's been pardoned by Joe Biden. So he cannot be prosecuted
for anything. He's been pardoned. So what does that say? So, I mean, all this is really pointless
anyway. But it's good to see Tulsi Gabbard giving it a crack. Let's play another clip from Tulsi
Gabbard, actually. This is her continuing to comment on the Fauci situation. Take a look.
Now, these documents expose Fauci's direct role in influencing and manipulating IC assessments
on COVID-19 and how Fauci lied to Congress in 2024 when under oath he denied knowledge of
or participation in discussions with intelligence officials about viral research. We also received
testimony from multiple intelligence community whistleblowers who reported retaliation for
challenging the intelligence community's manipulation of intelligence on the virus's
origins. Once again, revealing a clear pattern of suppressing dissent, silencing critics and
burying the truth. Well, that's what Tulsi said. Paul, let me just play you one more clip. This is
Dr. Anthony Fauci himself saying, do you remember this, saying, I am science during COVID. Take a
look. There's a distinct anti-science flavour to this. So it's easy to criticise, but they're
really criticising science because I represent science. I represent science. You are a fraud,
Anthony Fauci. Come at me. It's so infuriating, though, isn't it? But look,
Anthony Fauci, and this is his day, this is his story, so we should focus on it. But this for me
is just the tip of the spear, the tip of the iceberg, if you like. This is how establishments
work since time immemorial. It's the greatest way you can get rid of something in the UK,
for instance, to have a royal commission. After all the players have left the field, we'll then point
to all the guilty parties, but nobody will come to justice. And for me, it's just one more
establishment figure who has been talking both sides of his mouth. Fauci's words shut down the
biggest nation on earth. They shut down based on just complete lies, seemingly, if these
allegations are correct. But the point is, it's like, OK, so Fauci's gone. There's more of them
out there. This is the worry for me. It's just like the establishment, the unaccountable
establishment, they're perennially in position. And I'm hoping that this infuriates people enough
to maybe doubt the next miscreant who enters the scene and tries telling us what to do and pushing
us around. Love that word. Paul, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Paul Duddridge there on
West Coast America. Somebody in your say, James Mitchell. Hello, James. Good morning. You've said,
what do you mean, Ben? Move on. I want people jailed. You fool. I'm not saying I want to move
on. I'm saying generally, Greg, I think society won't. Look, I want Covid was life changing for
me. I would love nothing more than to see Anthony Fauci up in some courtroom somewhere. He's being
pardoned. So he can't be. I don't want to move on. I just think society, I'll be honest. I think
society has realized they've been duped with a massive psyop on a on a huge scale. And I just
want to forget about it. Yeah. And make sure it never happens again. And I think that's why
all the more reason to go after the real criminals here. And he's one of them.
The fact that Biden gave him a pass and a pardon. I mean, I actually I'd give Hunter Biden a pass
if we could go after Fauci. And let's tie it into the UK. Remember, Matt Hancock did the exact same
thing. He knew he saw the data that that lockdowns were useless and standing six feet apart and all
that stuff was nonsense. And he went ahead and did it anyway. And he's off scot free. I don't
think anyone's gone after Matt Hancock. Yeah. You know, Ben, you nailed it. We were right. We knew,
you know, we're smart. I sound like Fredo at the end of the day. We're smart. We're not dumb. You
know, we're not dumb. We know. And as much as these as the political class wants to tell us
and put us in our place and for those few years straight up control us. You know, we knew. And
as soon as that blanket pardon came out, we knew something was up. And sure enough, here it is.
It's not even for me, though. It's not even me wanting to sit here saying, ha ha ha, I was right.
Look how clever and shrewd I was. I it was. Yeah. OK, fine. I could see what was going on. But
it's the fact that millions of people were lied to deliberately by by the health establishment.
And what it's done now, they've blown up all trust in the health establishment. So many people back
home in the UK, I've got experience of it saying I'm not going to get my kids vaccinated now against
normal childhood vaccines because of what they did during Covid. Sure. We just don't trust anybody.
And children are still feeling the effect years later as they go on in their educational career
because their speech was stunted, their social skills. My son, who was one at the time, I think
he was at nursery with everybody wearing those stupid masks, which never worked. You know,
people wearing them like sheep because he's now got speech problems. He had to have speech therapy
because of the millions of young kids. It's outrageous the outcome. Yeah, that's what I mean.
If it's one thing, if you're Hunter Biden and you sell influence to the Chinese and the Russians
and you get paid for it, that's criminal. But nobody was really affected by that. Right. But
this stuff affected people. Also, the economy, the economy is now inflation because devastated
the economies around the world. Insidious. Absolutely. Always being more about this.
Follow the science. It's so snobby like that. That's just what's not criticizing science.
Just like the people moving to the U.K. from America because it's so dangerous here.
It's just propaganda. It's snobbery. It's it's not surely not working people that are doing that.
And it's it really had an effect on people. By the way, you could please follow the science,
but not if it's the Great Barrington Declaration. Yeah, right. Right. Three renowned scientists.
And that was taken off of Twitter. And also common are one of the authors of the Great
Barrington Declaration, Dr. J. Bachetaria, now running the National Institute of Health,
which was found she's wrong. Was that right? Yes. Right. Karma does exist. And also the U.S.,
for example, they printed a third of their entire USD money supply in just 12 months.
And the Federal Reserve saying inflation is just transitionary. And then, by the way,
inflation is here to stay. Who would have thought you print money out of thin air,
give it away like candy and then you get inflation. And we're still feeling the effects
now. That's why our economies are wrecked. That's why your skins. That's why everybody
is struggling is a mess. And that's at the door of people like Anthony Fauci,
Boris Johnson, the lot of them. I'll never get over it. Right. Still ahead.