3 True Crime Bodycams That Revealed The MOST Chilling Behavior

We had the best time doing the initial breakdown of the body language and behavior in this video and we decided we'd revisit some of our favorite moments from it. So you've had a second to kind of collect yourself tell it to me again you guys were playing last night drinking a bottle of wine putting puzzles together doing artwork puzzles artwork had a bottle of wine and then decided to play hide and seek so what time was that do you remember i mean i know that i was in bed probably by like what 12 30 okay well i went upstairs at least and i fell asleep forgetting that he was in the suitcase playing the hide-and-go-seek yes and at some point you put him in the suit no he got in the suitcase so he thought it would be funny to be put in the suitcase so i was like okay well i'm gonna joke with you and i'll zip you up make him you know squirm a little bit whatever it is but then i fell asleep i fell asleep where was the suitcase right where it is right down there yes you zipped him in there yes thought he would be funny a little bit it was we both were laughing about it and then i fell asleep where did you fall asleep at upstairs in your bedroom yes okay totally forgetting that he was in the suitcase still okay and then you came back downstairs this morning or this afternoon yes when i got up what time 12 30 ish i was awake but i totally forgot that he was in the suitcase he can tell you there's a lot of things that i slash we have been going jobs yeah he did tell me by all that good stuff so i just totally forgot to do cpr on him yes yes about what time this morning did you start doing that no it was the afternoon it was afternoon because i was awake but then i finally decided to come downstairs at like 12 30 ish whatever it is and i was like i forgot he was in the suitcase and he wasn't moving nothing was happening so i unzipped and unzipped and took him out and started cpr on him he was on his way over here i called you when he got here once he got here you called yes okay and he like air was coming out and he was gurgling but i could tell by looking at him but you knew how to do cpr you were doing that on your own yes okay and then the person that was on the phone with me also i counted with him doing and he's got no medical he doesn't take any medication i don't know like i don't know medical wise like what i know he doesn't take any um the only thing like i said i don't know if alcohol had to do with that but we had a bottle of wine okay all right here's i want you to sit back down because i don't want you to have one more sip of water please go go on that person will 29 residential audible 1-3-0-3 island bay drive i'll do what i can to get you a cup because i don't want you to have to keep doing that honey the motor unit on the channel the cops are like right there sit right here don't talk to the ex-husband right now i don't can i have a cigarette please ma'am i can't take anything out of the house it's on the back porch nope all of it secure okay i'll try my best to get you what you need okay maybe one of these deputies has a pack from someone so you know sit down and i'll try and get you what you need okay just cut okay i don't want you on your feet all right if you don't know who we are we're the behavior panel and i'm scott rouse i'm a body language expert and analyst and i trained law enforcement in the military and interrogation in body language and i created the true crime workshop.com which is the only online uh true crime uh course you can take with greg hartley mark i'm the only uh true crime martboden.com uh help people all over the world stand out win trust gain credibility every time they communicate including some of the leaders of the g7 chasehughes.com hi i'm chase hughes i specialize in false crimes i did 20 years of u.s military i wrote the number one best-selling book on behavior profiling influence and persuasion and i teach those things to people that change their lives today greg greg hartley i'm a former army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance to interrogation instructor written 10 books on body language and behavior and i spend most of my time on wall street corporate america all right all right mark what do you got yeah lovely so um just a couple of things on this she says she zipped it up make you squirm a little bit whatever it is make him you know squirm a little bit whatever it is so i love this phrase of whatever it is that she uses she uses it on 12 30 as well but then i finally decided to come downstairs at like 12 30 ish whatever it is by the way i think the attending officer here doing a fantastic job of getting a lot of information out of her i'm not in this position but if i were i would want to get more information out of her on what do you mean whatever it is not only within this act of um of putting somebody in a suitcase you know why why whatever it is what more is there to that because clearly it isn't about uh making you squirm a little bit the whatever it is suggests there's something else something more that whatever it is on 12 30 suggests it's not quite accurate it isn't exactly that so that's where i want to jump in on that whatever it is it's indefinite it's indirect there's a point to jump in and go so what exactly do you mean by that or what really were your intentions around this greg what do you got on this one the mainstream media is not broken at all it is functioning exactly as it was designed it exists to manipulate you to divide you to feed you fear and outrage and distraction while pretending all of that is information and most people are still swallowing it like it's gospel i've spent years studying propaganda and psychological operations and human behavior and i will tell you this plainly the media is not here to tell you the truth it's here to shape your truth without you even realizing it every network every outlet left or right or center they are all playing the exact same game keep you emotionally hijacked cognitively blind and addicted to narratives engineered by people who have zero interest in informing you at all so they manufacture a bunch of division they amplify 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people's hands instead of the news so go to ground dot news slash tbp scan the qr code or hit the link in the description we've got you 40 off of the same plan that we use so don't keep trusting the people reading scripts for billionaires stop being programmed and start seeing the depth of what is actually going on yeah mark i love that because anytime there's something we don't understand we should clarify and it might mean nothing to what we always say about all this stuff guys it might not mean a single thing but it might it might be the thing that unhinges the entire story so if it's filler it filler is there for reason if it's something to hide something it's there for reason standing beside her first of all let's go back and talk about the law enforcement officer who's not talking to her and look at the disbelief on his face look at him doing the chained elephant at that look of he's just come out of the house there's a guy in a suitcase unimaginable kind of a thing so he's just sitting there going okay whatever and you see him kind of looking down to his right there's an emotional eye accessing then you see her come out and she goes to emphatic approval when you deliver her message when she said hide and go see yes you guys were playing there's that emphatic again we keep saying or seeing her do that anytime you're delivering her message she's emphatic now she does mouth touching when she gets to this point i forgot he was in the suitcase that's comforting for some people could be thinking but we're going to see her pressing on her skin on her face a lot of times and we're going to see her that progressively rise up not from down low but the more apprehensive people get often the more you'll see their shoulders rise things get tighter and higher you hear their voices rise mark you always say when they get to that respiration when it gets so light that their voice starts coming out from here and not below you see all that in her as we start this whole thing she's iterative storytelling iterative storytelling when she touches her mouth it could be oh my god but i don't think so i think she's telling a piece and letting it out she has planned what she's going to say when these people show now did she talk with her former husband about that don't know but she has planned what she intends to say the interesting piece and we're all we all know that she would be our first suspect we've all said that but where is the horror or remorse in any of this that makes you immediately go okay she's already playing what she's going to say and then she says you know we've had problems he can tell you there's a lot of things that i slash we have been going jobs yeah he did tell me all that good stuff so she's already starting to disparage and chaff so she's trying to say boom now this is interesting because later i could use it in an interrogation and i would then ask her well maybe you guys had baggage you wanted him to suffer or what whatever you're going to say i would use that and say yeah maybe you didn't intend to kill him you just wanted to torture him you want to do this to him you don't want to do that so that's a lead she's giving right now this the cool part is this detective just doesn't pay any or this this uh officer doesn't pay attention she just moves right along then the woman moves sarah moves across what i call egg protector she crosses her primary sex organs by that i mean her ovaries with her arm to protect and she touches her mouth those are red flags now there's also the part where she is hung over clearly all that water all that needs for the water she's hung over so there's all kinds of things going on with that then she says we had a bottle of wine but we had a bottle of wine just like people have two drinks when they're pulled over for dui that's what i think scott what do you got all right this is where we sort of get a little bit more into the story a little deeper in the story when she answers your questions or her answers are much too fast these should be i mean there should be a sense of urgency but not like bang you're not like right out of the gate like that so that tells you that she's probably got these just moments before that she's prepped these because she can see these questions coming and she's making sure to get her point across about falling asleep for like the 40th time we'll see it a thousand more times i fell asleep but then i fell asleep i fell asleep and then i fell asleep she puts her hand up to her mouth and we do that to help calm us down it's it's sort of an adapter when you when you touch our lips that sends a signal to the brain to relax and so that's what she's doing we see her touch as we go through this we'll see her touch her face rub her mouth rub her face all those kinds of things those are the things that are going to help her calm down and get rid of that built-up stress retention and then she's hoping to high heaven that this guy's had a stroke or heart attack while he's in there she's hoping this thing has gone wrong on his end so she didn't get nailed for the for it um i don't know what they would call it at this point i don't know if it'd be murder or manslaughter or what she hopes she didn't get nailed for that my favorite part though is when she drinks out of the out of the the water faucet there on the end she wipes her chin wipes her whole face and her nose off on her on her shoulder i mean we used to do that like the fifth grade we're out running around and stuff so it's it's it's odd seeing an adult do that so she must be at this point really thirsty obviously but in a situation where her limbic system is just on fire right now she's heating up and getting thirsty and uh in sort of a panic mode but i think you're right greg we're not seeing the the um emotions on her face that we see the expressions we're not seeing what we should be seeing on that there's a lot missing from here and from video one to here like we've all said this deception deception deception something's up you can see it on her chase what do you got yeah i agree with all y'all the one i'll just add two things here the emotion that she's experiencing is all about her experience so i think that is a cornerstone of this police first police officer contact deception she redirects to the details and quickly runs through the experience of finding him very quickly but then i finally decided to come downstairs at like 12 30 ish whatever it is and i was like i forgot he was in the suitcase and he wasn't moving nothing was happening so i unzipped him took him out and started doing cpr on him and when you see this little increase in speed keep in mind it depends on who you're talking to it's typically a desire to get something that's rehearsed out as fast as possible it shortens the amount of time that that person is experiencing stress as far as i know there's no research for this but i think human beings are not all the same and i hope you would at least agree with that and that means not all are identical specimens that can be perfectly replicated in a lab which is why some of these things are not in peer-reviewed research we can't duplicate that stuff so in situation like this experience is very important and i believe he probably got into the suitcase on his own i do believe that how i have no idea but she's calm when she's talking about that one detail no he got in the suitcase this mouth covering behavior is very common in people who've lost somebody and they're trying to make a statement except that in this video it's out of place in this clip it's in all the places we would expect emotion and there's not much emotion at all and in most cases you would see it during the discovery of the body and during talking about this shocking moments more likely when we're going to see mouth covering behaviors here we see it all over the place specifically in the moments that are potentially deceptive and just for the record she hasn't mentioned his name one time yet she says him and he so you've had a second to kind of collect yourself tell it to me again you guys were playing last night drinking a bottle of wine putting puzzles together doing artwork puzzles artwork had a bottle of wine and then decided to play hide-and-seek so he what time was that do you remember i mean i know that i was in bed probably by like what 12 30 okay well i went upstairs at least and i fell asleep forgetting that he was in the suitcase playing the hide-and-go-seek yes and at some point you put him in the suit no he got in the suitcase so he thought it'd be funny to be put in the suitcase so i was like okay well i'm gonna joke with you and i'll zip you up and make him you know score him a little bit whatever it is but then i fell asleep i fell asleep where was the suitcase right where it is right down there yes you zipped him in there yes thought he would be funny a little bit it was we both were laughing about it and then i fell asleep where did you fall asleep at upstairs in your bedroom yes okay totally forgetting that he was in the suitcase still okay and then you came back downstairs this morning or this afternoon yes when what time 12 30 ish i was awake but i totally forgot that he was in the suitcase he can tell you there's a lot of things that i slash we have been doing jobs yeah he did tell me all that good stuff so i just totally forgot to do cpr on him yes yes about what time this morning did you start doing that no it was the afternoon it was afternoon because i was awake but then i finally decided to come downstairs at like 12 30 ish whatever it is and i was like i forgot he was in the suitcase and he wasn't moving nothing was happening so i unzipped and unzipped and took him out and started doing cpr on him he was on his way over here i called you when he got here once he got here you called yes okay and he like air was coming out and he was gurgling but i could tell by looking at him but you knew how to do cpr you're doing that on your own yes okay and then the person that was on the phone with me also i counted with him doing and he's got no medical he doesn't take any medication i don't know like i don't know medical wise like what i know he doesn't take any medications whatsoever um the only thing like i said i don't know if alcohol had to do with it but we had a bottle of wine okay all right here's i want you to sit back down because i don't want you to have one more sip of water please residential audible one three zero three island bay drive i'll do what i can to get you a cup because i don't want you to have to keep doing that the cups are like right there right here don't talk to the ex-husband right now can i have a cigarette please ma'am i can't take anything out of the house it's on the back porch nope all of it secure okay i'll try my best to get you what you need okay maybe one of these deputies has a pack from someone but you know sit down and i'll try and get you what you need okay just cut okay i don't want you on your feet what's going on man cooperate i am gonna cooperate okay so parents have some concerns of some stuff they may have um yeah i believe so and what would it be a human head in hands like for real human head in hands yes from that fellow who went missing recently which fellow was that warren brown warren brown when did he go missing the night of the 27th the night of the 27th okay and how did you end up with i murdered him with what a knife why would you have done that i've always wondered what murder felt like all right greg what do you got so i'm gonna use just a very quick one this guy is proud of this look at his chin go up more importantly there's something we talk about all the time with psychopaths but we can't demonstrate it he just did this is what glib looks like all day every day when you can talk about murdering somebody and cutting off their head and hands this casually and stick your head up and pry that's glib what do you got scott yeah i agree with it this is this is good i know i say this is one of my favorites but this will probably be one of my favorites for the time we get to the end of the second uh edition of this part two but here in part one and in this intro this is it's it's almost like he's trying to to be somebody else as he's saying what what's happened it's almost like he's proud of it but same time it's the it's being so glib that really gets your attention you go wow this is because you almost look at it and think that nah he didn't do that you know it looks it looks fake almost he's so into into delivering that information but our brain says that information is so bizarre and so so out of the norm that you know something's not right here but it is right there because we're seeing this is this is a grouping of psychological or psychiatric situations we're dealing with mark what do you got yeah so i think we've got a couple of versions of this guy here we've got the first version uh where the guy in the background i'm going to assume it's it's the father the guy in the background says cooperate and it's very commanding tone and he goes i am going to cooperate i am going to cooperate we see his voice pitch up on the on the on the amp he performs there very much um in a almost a belligerent child way which seems appropriate for the for the for the father let's say i'm assuming being commanding at that point and he moves forward quite stiff very stiff in the in the upper torso there greg that may be something about this puffed out chest and the and there but we'll we'll see other elements that it might be about as we as we move through these uh videos but a little bit stiff so is that trepidation that seems fair that it could be is that baseline uh for him too early to to say but then a very different tone around him talking about and and admitting to the murder and the cutting off of the decapitation i murdered him with what a knife which is yes odd as you both said but also very different from the belligerent child that we had before there's a there's a turn on a dime there uh love the guy in the background the hard head turn of revulsion at the back as he admits uh to that maybe an element of disbelief and and revulsion but we do see the nose go first also almost smelling something bad there so great first video there chase what do you got on this one yeah we really see a transition from archetypal boy to archetypal man and that happens in this video this this kind of strutting the arms even move away from the body so this is exposing a little arteries kind of to be tough and challenging chin coming up to be tough and challenging and we may be seeing maybe we're going to see evidence for this later but we may be seeing somebody who has almost in their vision a pathological feeling of insignificance and being almost infantilized throughout their life and now when this this big break happens they can they can break out of this little false life that they lived and now i become significant i have done something he knows his name's going to go down in history and this is a large feeling of significance for maybe a life that he spent in feeling insignificant for a very long period his hands even come out of his pockets so there's no more pacifying so we see almost an increase in openness of his body when that starts coming up what's going on man i'm gonna cooperate okay so parents have some concerns of some stuff they may um yeah i believe so and what would it be a human head in hands like for real human head in hands yes from that fellow who went missing recently which fellow was that warren brown warren brown when did he go missing the night of the 27th the night of the 27th okay and how did you end up with i murdered him with what a knife why would you have done that i've always wondered what murder felt like um i've slipped five of those into his drink um there were about two or three drinks that i brought downstairs um and yeah they were basically he he didn't drink all of them he only drunk probably about half of two but um yeah when i went in in the morning this was before my mother uh when i went in the morning early hours i got up about half an hour early about um six o'clock in the morning came in and he was gone it was gone it's um i did know that this would kind of come eventually and it's proper that i've served my punishment so yeah okay so virginia i'm just gonna ask for this this is what i've written down based on the information you just told us because what we regard as a significant comment because you've made it up on under court from the top of your list by the way apart that's okay right so i've i virginia mccullough i've been i've informed police constable 77329 brown and 79387 at bowers after in my house on friday the 15th september 2023 that i murdered my father john mccullough who was stated was under a bed in the rear ground floor of the house and my mother upstairs in a cupboard next to the sink wardrobe it's a double wardrobe it's like four but it's the one nearest the sink double order what's significant that's all written down there here now i've just read out to you are you happy to sign that to say that's a true for a true account yeah all right mark what do you got uh yeah so once again she's properly arrested this is who you'd get if katherine tate uh did a uh for those so the british there will understand who katherine and uh yeah she is very calm no problem correcting the officer at this point and my mother upstairs in a cupboard next to the sink wardrobe it's a double wardrobe now often when there's no problem in correcting the record we'll often say hey you know that's that's a great show of honesty especially in these situations i'm not sure it is honest for sure but i think there's an element of power there as well it's a good um avatar for her playing power still in that operational tension state just getting stuff done uh she says proper that i serve my punishment it's proper that i serve my punishment and then we get the chin coming forward a little bit of what chase might call the chin boss there so a little bit of a sense of sorrow an outbreath of resignation there yeah and then a look down right and tight pursed lips here's what i think i think she tries to look for pity on its proper that i serve my punishment but actually what she leaks is anger and resentment behind that i think that's her the the pity is an act and i believe the anger and resentment is the more honest uh temperament uh that she has uh she controls again the situation by talking about granddad's paintings again it's kind of apropos of nothing she points something out granddad's paintings takes control of the conversation narrows her eyes on that and then shows contempt on one side of her mouth around that quite a fast moment uh there often what people might call micro gesture because named after the micro in that it takes up one or two or three frames of a video we've probably got about 30 frames a second or a little bit less here and it maybe lasts for maybe two or three frames there so it's relatively quick but for sure from my point of view you got the eyes narrowing again anger targeting and contempt at the police officer when before what she was showing was was sorrow and looking for pity she can really turn on a dime here from nice to nasty and you see that happening and then you get that sarcasm uh and sarcastic tone at the end of this video she says cheer up cheer up at least you caught the bad guy real sarcasm there so hang on she's gone from the most helpful person here to really quite sarcastic and aggressive so which one is she which one is she and which one would you get and when would you get which one greg what do you got on this one what's interesting for me though mark is you know whether it's whether she's got some disorder along the way one of the really cool things to see here is when she lingers her eye contact with that guy just long enough to see what's going on and i think the reason she does that sarcastic comment at the end is because he's morose or depressed looking in his face and she's trying to lighten the mood whether it's control which i think it is or whether it's polite is a different story and you you know you know your culture better than i do of course but i think there is that she sees something in his face and she's afraid to be condemned by these guys for that stuff even though she's accepting it and if you want cues of that she has really good understanding of right and wrong you can tell because the way she responds to the questioning she indicates she can pick up on their social cues because she does that she lingers eye contact and then responds so let's go all the way back at the beginning watch her chase you always talk about people withdrawing their lips and they need reassurance like a kid standing she does that right out of the gate she's telling but she's using asking with long vowels about what happened there were about two or three drinks that i bought downstairs um and yeah they were basically she has less eye contact and more internal voice she's searching the floor as she starts to talk about the actual criminal pieces of what she did he he didn't drink all of them he only drunk probably about half of two when she comes back to the mundane things yeah when i went in in the morning this was before my mother uh when i went in the morning early hours i got off about half an hour early about um six o'clock in the morning came in and he was gone she goes to the telling tone into a downward tone and she makes eye contact so she's aware that the criminal the negative parts about putting something in his drink and that may be perceived a certain way she squints as she tries to identify approximate time um six o'clock chase you always say people will approximate a time even when they're guilty great example great example or even when even when they don't know when they're innocent they're just going to try to make a thing work out in this case she's guilty and she doesn't mind telling you so she's giving you that detail and after she does that after she she does that approximate time there's a request for approval with some pursed lips of disappointment she has her lips forward like that and then a chin tuck and that shame shows up in her in her chin and some absolute eye avoidance so she knows she's done wrong and if you are not sure that you want to see one piece of body language that tells you she knows she's done wrong and she knows the difference in right and wrong look at all that swallowing blushing and eye contact breaks after she tells you what she did this is not typical of a person that would think at asd it's typical of a person i think mark to your point who's working the system i think this is a what what else you got you got me what else you got what else you're gonna do i don't think she's worried about what they can say to her a condemner but we're gonna see that she does care as we walk through these things you'll see she does care about certain things and about how she is judged even though she's admitting to murder uh chase what do you got yeah i very much agree with you those points are incredible sadie is going to be making some shorts out of those uh with some good overlays of those one thing you might see here is this arm going across her abdomen this is common when people are in handcuffs so there's no way that i there's something going on here if you remember the c5 model uh if you know what that is we go changes context clusters culture and checklist so we would stop going down that list at the context part there but there's no shame no guilt no embarrassment and the fact that she showed absolutely no signs of guilt sorry the male lady is ripping down my driveway right now a little distraction but there's no embarrassment there's no stress when uh when confessing is pretty significant most people be really overwhelmed with emotions right here this is common in severe personality disorders where empathy and remorse just aren't there and with her living with the bodies this long this is truly disturbing there are a couple of ways to look at it maybe on one hand it could point to the extreme emotional detachment that she's going through and on the other hand there's a chance that keeping the bodies in the house could be some kind of twisted form of guilt or self-punishment and i think she's playing into an image she thinks is going to make other people see her as less dangerous or less slightly less responsible and she's telling the investigator to cheer up this is one of the most striking aspects i think of the of all of her behavior what's weird is the contrast there's no emotion about the murders themselves but suddenly she's showing care for somebody else maybe it's feigned maybe it's not but it's selective empathy which is really common in people with personality disorders and this straightforward confession that we're seeing here might seem like honesty but it might be more about control to what y'all were saying earlier now i think maybe there's some control there so as a quick pro tip here there's a common issue that i call label addiction because maybe some of you were going through this in your mind uh while i was talking just now this is where people feel compelled to assign labels or diagnoses to behaviors because it makes us feel more knowledgeable more in control and it's almost like a reflex if i could just put a name on something i get a false sense of mastery over that thing so the problem is the labels tend to oversimplify really complex human stuff and it makes us think that we understand more than we do so it's comforting but it's misleading because real understanding goes beyond just slapping a label on something so once a label is there it's like a lens that permanently colors everything and kind of creates a little micro confirmation bias this may be the longest i've ever gone scott what do you got why do you always say it's the longest you've ever gone this is like the third time you've said that's the longest you've ever gone i think i broke it girls come down try to start some stuff with the comments all right the uh i really think this is interesting because there's going to be that thing between this is this psychopathic behavior or is this some sort of autism situation on the spectrum there is this histrionic what what are we dealing with here it's fascinating what we should do is try to find somebody into um psychology to come on here and help break this down as well that's what we should have done because this is this for me is fascinating because it's showing all kinds of different things in here a psychopath when they get rid of bodies or they dispose of bodies sometimes they'll they'll do the same thing every time and in this case she does she wasn't is downstairs and one is upstairs one's in a sleeping bag the other one's just in a cupboard or whatever this is really really interesting the way this is the way this is laying out but as while they're talking to her again she's calm just like you're you're talking about anything you'd be you know just about anything so that's i this is just fascinates me the way she's behaving like this her illustrators are a little bit lower now and of course we're dealing with that thing where there are like you were talking about chase she can't really move a whole lot of things and so her arm goes right there which is you know it looks like it's self-soothing or pacifying but it's not you know but she can't move very much because but that arm is down here so maybe there's something to that as well i don't think so because i think you're right chase i don't think anything with that and then her cadence and her voice tone and volume all that's fairly this pretty much the same too there's one little change we'll talk about in a minute in her cadence but it stayed the same the pausing and she pauses and squints she's thinking so she's not her mind isn't racing you know she's not just blathering with with answers or thoughts out of nowhere so she's under control in some way there's no panic in there so that's interesting as well and the the lip press when she's shaking her head no she can't remember she's not sure about the six o'clock whatever time that was she got up she's not she's wanting to give she wants to give specifics so bad that she's that kind of bothers her that she's not exactly sure what exactly what time that that she got up and she's not spot on correct because that was four years ago whenever that happened so when she got up to do that the chain speeds up when she says he was gone which makes sense because she's trying to get that out and get rid of it because maybe that shows maybe that's painful for her if there's any way if she does feel pain at all so this is getting really interesting so then she shows that that slight expression of sadness and you see that the glabella group up in there a little bit so there's a little bit it seems like there's a little bit of emotion in there i don't think it's fake because it's not coming uh she's not making a show out of it to show she's being it's just a bang and it goes on there morphs into that then it sort of goes away it's not really fast and show up and leave so those i believe those are real and the police are doing a great job on this because listen to what they say hardly anything just the important things and she'll go on and say something she may even ask a question and there's still nothing you know so she's just talking talking it's beautiful what they're doing you know they're these guys are very old you know so i'm sure it doesn't come from years of hard knocks and you know knowing how it works maybe they've been trained to do that but man keeping your mouth shut during something like that is tough to do yeah but they're doing a great job of that and then she says i knew this day would come and that's where you see that big breath and that that exhale i did know that this would kind of come eventually and it's proper that i've served my punishment so yeah so that big cathartic exhale trying to get rid of all that that built up stress and tension in there so i think there's a whole lot going on because she doesn't look she's not sad she's not freaked out she's not panicking everything is it's almost you know flat the flat affect we're always talking so then again you've got this thing that you're weighing back and forth going back to what i was talking about the disposal patterns uh that psychopaths do i've done a video that we'll put in that pdf that we what we started doing is putting together this pdf of our notes so you can go over and see what we wrote down and then what we're we're we're queuing when i look down here at mine when i'm queued off of mark is greg is and chase is and you can see what we're doing so in those you'll find the link down there in mind to this video that's about the disposal patterns of psychopaths and serial killers that i really think you'll find interesting um mark what do you got uh did you go no he went yeah you were last oh was i last yeah as usual okay sorry i'll see that i could have said something funny there what right where you belong i need to walk out for a minute rouse okay okay we'll put you out for a minute on chase and i'll sit let's do this um i've slipped five of those into his drink um there were about two or three drinks that i bought downstairs um and yeah they were basically he he didn't drink all of them he only drunk probably about half of two but um yeah when i went in in the morning this was before my mother uh when i went in the morning early hours i got up about half an hour early about um six o'clock in the morning came in and he was gone it was gone it's um i did know that this would kind of come eventually and it's proper that i deserve my punishment so yeah okay so virginia i'm just gonna ask you this this is what i've written down based on the information you just told us because what we regard as a significant comment because you've made it under court from the heart of your arrest okay right so i've written this but it's um i virginia mccullough i've been i've informed police constable 77329 brown and 79387 after in my house on friday the 15th september 2023 that i murdered my father john mccullough who was stated was under a bed in the rear ground floor of the house and my mother upstairs in a cupboard next to the sink wardrobe it's a double wardrobe it's like four but it's the one nearest the sink double wardrobe what's significant that's all written down there here now i've just read out to you you're happy to sign that to say that it's a true effort a true account yeah cheer up at least you caught the bad guy thanks for another good fellas and we'll see you next time