Friday, Mar 13 – Hour 3

Good morning, good morning. Again, I want to thank Leo Schochette for coming in and spending an hour with us, taking your calls. We left a lot of people on hold. That's not Leo's fault, it's my fault. And the fact that we have so many, so supported by advertisers, quite frankly. Now we're joined in the studio by former sheriff of Bristol County and Tom Hodgson and the current selectman in Rehoboth, Lenny Miller Jr. Good morning, gentlemen. How are you? Morning, Chris, good morning. Great to be here. Very good. How's the weather out there, Tom? Do I look like a meteorologist? Do I really? No, it actually, it's beautiful. I didn't expect sarcasm from Tom. He's so nice. It's beautiful out there. It really is. It's a beautiful day. Tom, what's my number one goal in life these days? I was telling you yesterday. To make you laugh. To make me laugh. And you've achieved it very, very well. He's a tweaker, as they say. Sometimes I make Tom, I say something. It's true, but Tom doesn't even believe it. He thinks I'm trying to make him laugh. No, I know. It's happened a couple times, and recently too. I told him, if I say run, there's a fire, I'm not joking. I'm not joking. Get out signals. How many years you guys been friends? I can tell you that I've known him since he was, we got friendly when he was a city councilor, and I was a selectman. We were the only two elected Republicans around. And he was at both my parents' funerals, I remember. He hugged me at my mother's graveside in Mount Epoisette, and my father said, that's a good friend of yours, Chris. And it was a few years later. Yep, great guy. So we're looking 30 some odd years. Yeah. Yeah, and it's amazing. You still got your hair. God bless you. Lenny, what's going on out there? We get that big fundraiser tomorrow night in Rehoboth. Yes. We call it a Republican fundraiser. A sheriff's gonna join us, which he does every year, and he draws a lot of people. And I'm proud to say we're sold out. It's gonna be- You get a big turnout out there in Rehoboth. Yeah, the House of Republicans. It's gonna be 200 Republicans there, and people that support Republicans. Some Democrats, independents, but yeah, it's a great time. All you can eat clam boil, and all the Republican Party volunteers and works for free and serves everyone. And we'll have a great time. It's really great what's happening at the local level with the Republican Party. And look, it's good with the Democrats, too. We need two parties. For a long time, we haven't had it, really. So that's tomorrow, right? Tomorrow night, yeah. So tomorrow night at 7 o'clock, it starts, yeah. We get there around 6, right, Sheriff? A little bit early. And to Lenny's point, I mean, it's a phenomenal time. It's probably one of the best you can go to. And the people in Rehoboth, the nicest people down at Rehoboth. I love Rehoboth. Very, people with real values. Yeah. And whatever. But to the point that was just made, they'll be, like Lenny said, they'll be Democrats, independents. Yeah. And you know what's great about it? We're all there together. We have different opinions about things, but we enjoy each other's company. Right. And that's what, as you said, Chris, two parties. Yeah, but both parties have ideas. Yes. Good ideas. It's a matter of, let's get together now. Right. because we all have the same interest fundamentally. because we've got a problem. Let's get together. They need solutions. Yeah, we owe it to one another, but we also owe it to our kids and the future generations. The people of Rehoboth are great, spending more time over there these days. Was it with Lenny and I were at the restaurant Alive over there? That place is really alive. It's a great restaurant. We had some of the police were there, some of your colleagues. Rob Johnson was there. That was a fun time, Lenny. Yeah, Rob Johnson isn't there today because I dropped him off in Boston this morning, 4 AM. He's heading to the Caribbean. But I want to say that he's the chairman of the Republican committee. Right. And he's the reason this thing is so popular. I mean, that guy sells out those tickets real fast. And if we have Phil Travis out there, who was our state rep for years, a Democrat. I supported him and my family 22 years. A great, great, great person. He's trying to get there, get tickets. He couldn't get any. You know, so if you listen, Phil, you can come. I'll get you in. Rob's out of town. So I'll push you. I'll push you right through the door. Don't worry. Oh, I was struck by the fact that you said that you were at that restaurant and even the police were there. And I'm thinking Lenny probably tipped them off that you were going to be there. They were looking for you. That's what I think. That's that's a nice restaurant. That's a great rest. Popular. Yeah. It's right on the Seekonk Rehoboth line. Yeah. And, yeah, everybody comes in there. And, you know, we're all friends. We all get along. And, yeah, it's a great time. We get to get a lot of information in our town. So I've stopped in and the joke is, how are you doing, Lenny? I says, I don't know. That's why I stopped in. So another scandal in the governor's office, Tim Dunn from the Boston Herald. He was here yesterday. He broke the story that $173,000 chairman of the Department of Public Utilities was reportedly networking for jobs in the climate industry among Green New Deal scammers. These companies using his city estate email. James Van Nostrand used his official state government email to seek out job opportunities with organizations tied to climate policy industry, specifically the Analysis Group, the Energy Foundation, doing it this year. It's the Fiscal Alliance Foundation, who are regular guests here on the program. They foiled the emails and they found out that he was, while utility rates were going up, the guy was reaching out and looking for a new job. Does that surprise you about Maura Healey's administration, Tom Hodgson? You know, it doesn't surprise me about Governor Healey, that the fact that she is absent when it comes to being a true administrator. You know what the energy issues are right now? She are, a true administrator's meeting with their top people regularly, but she's too busy advancing her political agenda and her ideology to be involved in things that really matter to us. When you manage a big organization, you got to have meetings with your people. You got to have regular meetings and talk about, where are we with this, where are we with that? And have people that you pick who are going to be responsible people are going to follow your agenda. And we've just seen this time and time again in her administration. She doesn't pay attention to the administrative responsibilities of being the governor of Massachusetts. And that's why we're seeing the kinds of things that we're seeing. Outrageous scandals. I mean, look, you have a lot of employees, Lenny, not just at the government levels of selectmen, but also in private industry. Employees can go astray, that happens. But you got to stay on top of them, right? It's the same thing, like the sheriff's saying, it's the same thing in the private industry. And I see it in the municipal now. You have to, you have to keep meeting with them. You have to keep paying attention. You have to keep a pulse beat of what's going on. And I'd like to add, when you have a problem, you got to eradicate the problem. You can't leave them in place and let it fester. And it keeps percolating and the public gets upset. I mean, if I was in business and I was doing that and I'm aggravating clients, say big contractors, they're going to get rid of me. They want the problem solved. They don't want to hear that. So people that really pay attention to politics, that want to improve their E from the town level all the way up to the state and even on the federal level. They want these problems solved quick. I mean, step up and solve the problems. I know the sheriff. I've been friends with him 23 years, 24 years maybe. And I've watched him in that sheriff's department. He solves problems. He doesn't run away from them. He doesn't cover up for them. And what Lenny's saying too is, I think you have to have a culture. Yeah. You have to create the culture. And the culture has got to be around accountability. If you don't have that culture and the people in those positions don't feel that there is this environment here where, hey, we got to pay attention. We got to be on top of it. Then that says that, in my view, that someone like a Governor Healey is absent. Tom, you have a firsthand story about how she was absent when she was the Attorney General. You were assaulted by an illegal alien. You showed me the bruises. I remember sitting here in the studio. They did a report on that. My understanding, they never interviewed you. Never interviewed me. I'm the only one- Explain that, Tom. Yeah, I was the only one in that unprovoked attack who was injured. Mara Healey refused to interview me in her alleged investigation, which she had no competency to do. It was so outrageous the way she did this thing in relation to the federal investigation. And of all people, you know anything about basic investigations? The first thing you're going to do is you're going to talk to the person, number one, who's in charge of the organization. And particularly if they were the ones that were attacked- Right. In a pretty vicious way, in an unprovoked attack. That's part of the investigation. She wouldn't do it. You know why? Because she knew I had the answers that she didn't want. Right. And she colored that report just exactly the way we expected her to. And she was in on it with Mayorkas and the rest of them. And we saw what happened. But that's going to be addressed relatively soon when we start getting the documents out of Washington, DC. But it's amazing that, because I hear her say it all the time. I was the Attorney General, I was the Attorney General. And I think to myself, yeah, but I know how you do investigations or don't do them, because Tom Hodgson himself was seasoned to investigate. I think a lot of people forget this, that you were a police officer before you were appointed sheriff. Right, exactly. And I ran a criminal division. So I know the basics of doing investigations, right? I mean, I was in charge of the criminal division. So when I saw what she was doing, I knew it was all politically motivated. And that's more healing. And that's why we're not getting real solutions. Right, right. To real problems. Lenny, you've got people out there in Rehoboth. They've got to be complaining about their electric and gas bills. And there's nothing I don't think a selectman can do about them. It's all the legislature, the governor, Department of Public Utilities. And we see what's going on at the Department of Public Utilities when the guy's out applying for jobs with green energy companies. How do your people deal with these electric and gas bills out there? Yeah, well, Rehoboth people are not happy with it. Right. I'd like to say the elderly people, we don't have any elderly housing. So it's difficult for an elderly person to stay in Rehoboth and stay in their home. Right. A home that they raised their family in three bedrooms or four bedrooms. Then the family has grown and left and now they have all the expenses of it. And the last thing they need is these exorbitant energy bills. Right. On top of the taxes and everything else that goes on. Though Rehoboth has a good tax rate, but still you're on a limited fixed income. So it is, it's a real challenge and they want to know if they're going to get relief. And so they try and do things that they're creative to try to solve their own issues. Of course, they put solar on. Yes. So they get solar and they produce a lot of solar because a lot of these houses are roofed. They have roofs, a lodge. Yes. And they have a lot of area to cover and it produces a lot. But then they still have the cost of just the other costs that are totally unassociated to the electric bill. Right. And they call us up and they want to know what that's about and what can be done about it. And it's frustrating on every level. Lenny, you're involved in a lot of businesses. What are these electric rates and gas rates doing to small business here in Massachusetts? Yeah, so yeah, that's a challenge still for some. But you can imagine it's at one time. You can remember playing Monopoly when I was a kid. Nobody wanted to own the utilities companies, the railroads. Now we'll fight the only owner, the electric company, right? I mean, it's crazy. I mean, it's crazy that it's completely done a 180. Right. So to run a business, it's the energy costs. It was once the fuel, you know what I'm trying to say, and things associated with that. Anything made with petroleum, plastic items, things like that. But now it's the actual electric bill. It's just a lot of money to sustain. It's a lot of money to heat your buildings. It's a lot of whatever you're trying to produce. If you're needing anything for energy, for heat, for cooking, things like that. These restaurants are struggling themselves, you know? Right, restaurants. All right, we're going to take a break, guys. If you want to get involved in this conversation, we're having fun here. 508-996-0500. That's how you can get involved in the conversation. And it's not just today, because tomorrow, if you haven't heard this yet, it's a really great program. Santos on sports. Mark Santos is here on sports. He's got another guy, also Santos, on sports. They start at 7 AM on Saturday mornings. Ken Pittman follows up. He does a lot of sports talk as well. Ken's a great guy, longtime friend of mine. 9 AM on Saturdays. And after that, Jose Matos, Money Matters. Money Matters will be back on live at noon on Saturday. Then after that, it's Brian's Beat at 1 PM. Then Town Square on Sunday, 6 AM, 8 AM, and 11 AM. We'll be right back. Paul Santos, yeah. This portion of programming on WBSM is brought to you by these hot dogs in New Bedford, where you can get two hot dogs, chips, and a soda for just six bucks. Back to Chris McCarthy and Southcoast Now on WBSM. Call 508-996-0500. Sounds like Maura Healey's Massachusetts. Grandpappy told my pappy back in my day, son, I'm mad to answer for the weed that he does. Take all the rope in Texas, find a dog. Welcome back to the program. That's Toby Keith, Lenny's good friend. He's passed on now, but you knew Tim very well, didn't you? Yeah, way back, a lot of years. Some good friends with his co-writer, Scotty Emmerich, the two of them, speaking of what's going on in the world the last three or four weeks with the military. They did a lot of USO trips. They did a lot of them, Scotty and Toby. They traveled all over Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran. They've been all over the place for the troops. A lot, a lot of work. Yeah, a lot of work. Awesome, nice thing to do. And Toby's parents were Democrats, and everyone would ask Toby what he is, and Toby, he said he was independent, but like the sheriff was saying, we have to get along. And he believed in that. He believed in both sides. He's seen the good in both sides, wanted to focus on that. I know he took a lot of criticism the first time when President Trump had the inauguration, he played for that. And he took a lot of, but it didn't bother him, because he was a true American. Toby's a true American, and he wanted to do that for the American. A lot of people's parents are Democrats. Yeah, yeah, mine were, and yeah. So yeah, different era. So it's a different era. But we have to get along. In the end, we got to get along. I mean, think of Fetterman, right? Nationwide. How can you not support him? I can't not support that guy. Right. That guy, you're right. He can call balls and strikes the right way. I don't care what his designation is. I don't care what his designation is. Right, you want a person who looks like they're telling the truth. Right, right. We've got a big primary going on here for the Republican nomination for governor. I think whoever wins that nomination will be the governor. I see these polls that are out. But there's no candidate yet against Maura Healey. I can't imagine the people who voted for Maura Healey are going to recreate that same emotion for her. After all these electric and gas bills and scandals in her administration. I just can't see it. And if you really pigeonhole some of these elected Democrats, off the record, they'll tell you that they're worried about Maura Healey because her results have been scandalous and disastrous. Yeah, you can start with. I mean, I think that probably the thing that outraged a lot of people was, I mean, aside from the electric bills and the impacts financially that are going on with people leaving the state and everything else. There's a bill now to the millionaire's tax that the legislature is putting forward and all of those things. But the thing that really has stuck out for me, that kind of cuts to the heart of her inability to really understand the basic needs of people, is when she shut down that community center in Roxbury and allowed illegals to the moms and dads in a pretty difficult area of Boston to the parents who were being responsible, trying to keep their kids away from the fentanyl, the sex and human trafficking that's going on, and all these things. What she did was, she basically said, I'm sorry, mom and dad. You may be responsible and trying to protect your kids, but I need this for people who violated federal law, came in here illegally because they need a place to sleep. And meanwhile, she basically turned her back on the people that she was elected to represent. Yes. Like she hasn't. So many other of the issues that deal with illegal immigration, she's basically gone down on the side of lawbreakers versus the lawful and the people that she swore that she would protect and do everything she could to improve their quality of life. A couple of weeks ago, I did a poll here on the air. I got, you guys were both here. Overwhelming amount of calls, like more than we ever get here for a single show. I mean, like record-breaking calls. So I know the poll was accurate in the sense that it was a real sample. And all the campaigns had been notified an hour in advance. So their supporters were called in text messages. Some of us got them. So we know they did it. That's fine. Mike Minogue walked away from it with over 60% of the vote. Way, well, way distant from Keneally and certainly from Brian Shortsleeve. So you got early on with Minogue, Tom Hodgson, why did you do that? Well, I had a chance to meet with Mike for about an hour and a half. Actually, Jimmy DeMillo was in on it with me. And we had an opportunity. He asked a lot of questions. You could tell he was very well-informed. His background is so impressive. When you have somebody that had a huge corporation as he did, never mind his leadership abilities and disciplines he learned in the military. Two tours in Iraq, a Bronze Star recipient, I ran, I think. This is a man who has life experience of leading people, holding people accountable in both his military experience, a graduate at West Point. But also in building a business that created a heart pump that's being used all over the world. Saving lives. And you can't run a corporation that of that magnitude, unless you really have a grasp of how to be an administrator, how to focus on the goals and the mission of that organization. And that's what Mike Minogue is going to bring. No, nothing against the other two Republican candidates. They're good guys and they've had have some experience, but not the kind of experience Mike Minogue has. And it's the right experience that we need for this time in our history here in Massachusetts. First time I ever heard of Mike Minogue was watching on CNBC. He was on with Jim Cramer talking about MVM and really impressive guy and it's a publicly traded company. So you got to comply with SEC. They're looking all over you, right? You can't fool around there. And certainly we could use that in Massachusetts state government, having someone who's had to answer to the SEC and all of those groups. Lenny, you met with Lenny Minogue. I think and you've talked to the, I'm sorry, Mike Minogue. I'm having a bad day. So, so- I had to tweak it. He's always trying to make me laugh. It's already the weekend. For me, it's already the weekend. Lenny from a business person, a local government official. Your thoughts? Yeah, I share the same sentiment as the sheriff in so much that the other candidates are good candidates, you know? And great, great human beings. But Mike is a notch above everyone. I mean, I sat, got to sat down, sit down with him and talk with him. He wasn't, he didn't rush us. I brought some people from business community. He sat down, he talked to us. He asked us what our concerns was. And he did something that I know a good leader does. He asked us what we thought the solutions could be. He didn't, he wasn't just giving us lip service. And then he interreacted with us. He was personable. So sometimes, in my lifetime, I've met people and you just, in their presence, you realize this person is the right person at the right time. I feel strongly about that, about Mike. The sheriff talks about his credentials and everyone can look those all up and they're all there. And that's true. But in his presence, I think you're going to see him really shine above everyone else. And going back to the Healy support. I know they want to support their party and their candidate. But they understand the frustration. They're living it too. And so are their families. So what somebody says publicly because they feel they're obligated in the most respectful way, I mean that. And what they do in the privacy of the booth when they vote. Right. A lot of times are two different things. Yeah, I think there's, as these polls come out showing the governor's tremendous lead. I think those of us who have a real sense of what's going on out there understand that includes Democrats who are elected. They realize her support is not that's not accurate. Right? Yeah. And Lenny's point on him asking questions. No one becomes a successful CEO. And administers a big organization on their own sort of ideas, outside of others. That's how you want the best of the best. And when you do that, you ask the people who there, what do you think about this? Number one, the two most powerful questions you can ask people is, what do you think? And are you willing to help me? Right. Those are the two months, and that's what Mike Minogue's about. And that's how he succeeded, because he wanted to know. When he was meeting with the fishing industry here, he was there for almost two hours. And asking, what are the top priorities for you? Where do you find the most difficulties in trying to do your job? What are the things that government could be helpful with? He had his thoughts too, and he shared with them. But he was all about, how do we do this? What do we do to perfect this? And that's a great point that Lenny was making. And I think one that is really the hallmark of any great successful administrator. We have Lenny Miller Jr. from Rehoboth here, Tom Hodgson, the former sheriff of Bristol County. Guys, I want to shift gears here for a little bit. What's going on in Iran? The US government, we've got to impose our will, destroy those mullahs over there. Lenny, you have an interesting experience. You taught taekwondo to pilots in the military. Talk about that. Well, amongst having a couple of martial arts students, I was taught at the United States Naval Base here in Newport. And sometimes, and quite frequently, some of my students were the pilots. And so it was interesting to talk with them and listen to what they had to say. And we would talk after we worked out. And so it was some great conversations. And it brings me back to that and some conversations with Khrushchev and a lot of things that we read and we talk about. Listen, Iran, they're a terrorist group. It's not unlike the Vietnam. They're not going to fight us conventionally, you know? So what the administration is doing is eliminating the Navy and all those things they have to do and stuff. But this group of Iranian leadership has been entrenched for years, how they're going to fight with drones, and they're going to do all these guerrilla warfare techniques. And our country's planned for it, like I heard you say earlier in the show today, for decades. So we got to give them a chance. They got to do the job. But this isn't going to be won conventionally that way. And we're ready for it. And, you know, we've learned from that. This country has learned from that, you know? And listen, one of their weapons is propaganda. Yes. I remember Sergei telling me this. Don't think the Iranians aren't trying to get what you're seeing on TV or everybody anti-war and anti-this. And not that I'm for war, pro-war. But there comes a time you got to stand for something or you fall for everything, you know? And so, listen, that's all part of it. They want to gin up the American people, make them nervous, make them not have an appetite to see what's going on, which are casualties and they're unfortunate and stuff. And that's all part of their weapons, too, you know? And this time, more than ever, we have politicians and news people promoting that, working against us on our own side. It's true. And that's part of their weapons, you know? And we have to recognize and know that and talk about it with each other. General Giott from North Vietnam, you know, the communists, he always said the Viet Cong, North Vietnamese communists, did not win the Vietnam War in the jungles or the plains of Vietnam. They won it in the streets of America. Getting the anti-war people out and then really electing a radical Congress that defunded South Vietnam. We got to be on lookout for that. Right, and I believe this administration understands that 100%, what you've seen the first three weeks of what they had to do. You know, they've wiped out all the most powerful things. But make no mistake about it. They know what they have to do. Right. We can armchair all we want. What we need to do is stick together. Right. And let our leadership do their job. We don't, not that we can't question, but to go and be a detriment against our own government and our own, to have a failure at this much investment we have at this point since 1979. Right. We have to eradicate this. We got a golden opportunity to do it. Tom Hodgson, of course, you led a terrorism, anti-terrorism group here in Bristol County. You were down there at 9-11. You took a bunch of people down there to help with the cleanup and rescue. Well, there was none to be rescued, unfortunately. Talk about domestic terrorism. We saw a bunch of it happen the last couple of days. You know all about it. Yeah, we, you know, back when I was sheriff, we had a Homeland Security Task Force that involved not just people in law enforcement, but it brought people in from other aspects of the community. And we would meet monthly. And one of the things that we understood, that's why when I first became sheriff, they sent me to Washington with 125 other public safety officials around the country to learn at that time something called weapons of mass destruction, not Homeland Security. And I remember thinking at the time I was there, you know, great training four days down here in Xerox University, Virginia. But, you know, I'll never see this in New Bedford. And ultimately, in the end, I was literally on the front steps of the U.S. Capitol when the planes hit. And I was down in ground zero. We had five weeks down there. I brought a whole cadre of our staff and some local law enforcement people down there to work on the rescue effort. But the point being, what we learned then was what I was learning about weapons of mass destruction. Some of the mosques, the Boston Mosque was a big problem for us. We were picking up intelligence out of there. We were looking at various things that were starting to happen. And it was really about this religious belief. It's driven by the Iranians' religious belief around, we're all infidels. Right. And that they are the ones that we need to be wiped out for what we believe in. So it's beyond just, this is not about fighting over territory. This is about fighting over ideology. Right. For them. Exactly. And they're driven by their religion. So everybody has to pay attention. You see something suspicious, call it in. Yep. If it ends up being nothing, fine. But if you see somebody that looks suspicious and they're walking, a church. Right. As much as you have to say this, if somebody comes in the church that you've never seen there before, walks in and is kind of looking around and then leaves, make note of it, and report it. Report it to the pastor or someone else. No, that's a reconnaissance. Right, because then they'll come. And then what you want to do is you also, as much as we don't like to do it, church should be a sacred place. There is a government program out there where you can get resources for cameras, training people within the church community to be security watchers. You can get a number of things that are going to harden the target so that when these people come in, because think about it, everybody's facing the altar. Right. It's ideal. And these terrorists know this. Sure. They walk in and they walk in the back of the church and all of a sudden open up. They may have been there the week before checking it out. Right. So it's not the way we want to live in America, but it's the reality where we are. And particularly right now, everybody needs to pay attention and report things. 508-996-05, we have Tom Hodgson, Lenny Mills Jr. here on a Friday morning. We're going to take a break and then we'll be back. Guys, the best way to beat inflation is to keep your car on the road. Keep it in good running order. Bring it to a family owned business in the city of New Bedford, Mac Auto Sales. 188 Rivet Street, New Bedford, Mac Auto Sales repairs all makes and models of automobiles, including the one you're driving right now. So if you need to get your car ready for the coming winter change of weather, and I'm sure you do, call Mac Auto Sales and Repair and make an appointment today. 508-565-6221. They're open weekdays, nine to five. You're driving a foreign car. That's perfect. Mac Auto Sales specializes in servicing foreign made automobiles. They also do a really nice job with American made cars. Mention WBSM, they'll give you a break on the repair bill. Ask about their aftermarket accessories and quality used cars for sale at Mac Auto Sales. Take a break. We'll be right back. If you're on hold, stay there. Stick around. South Coast Now with Chris McCarthy. Weekdays on 1420 AM and 99.5 FM. WBSM. Welcome back. It's Friday morning, almost Friday at noon. I got Lenny Mills Jr. from Rehoboth here. Tom Hodgson here as well. And we're taking your calls at 508-996-0500. Good morning. Thanks for holding. Good morning. I believe the other day you, did you have somebody, a guest in that was running for Attorney General? We did. And, okay, I asked a question. And I believe it wasn't the sheriff. I believe it was the candidate that was saying the answer. And I just wanted to say, I have a different answer. because I usually do. I know we're in Massachusetts. But I wondered what the sheriff thought about the restorative justice program. And his answer was about child sexual abuse, and specifically incest. And he's like, absolutely, got to send these people to jail. Absolutely is the general thought. But having looked into it, I feel like I came to a very Massachusetts, something that might be accepted in Massachusetts. Considering the victim, or the survivor, or the perpetrator, somebody going to jail in that scenario leaves the child unable or unwilling to speak. And it leaves the person doing this kind of thing that cannot go anywhere to figure out how to get out of continuing that behavior. So nobody is getting justice. But I did also think of a way to reduce the recidivism rate. If they had to spend just one day locked in a cell with me, I can promise you, they would never come back. Not because I would be violent, but because I would talk and say things they didn't want to hear, end of story. You would never see him again. So that's true. All right, thanks for the call. Yeah, I mean, in the prisons, there are programs to try to address- Tom, you've jailed a lot of people, do you think it's cruel and unusual punishment to jail a person with that woman in the same cell? To put somebody in the same cell? No, you wouldn't do that. With that woman, and to have her talk to the person who was in jail, that's what her solution was. Well, no, I wouldn't recommend that at all. Because that'd be unconstitutional, right? But if her point is that talking to someone and being counseling or whatever, we do have counseling opportunities in the prison with social workers, right? And we can sometimes bring in outsiders depending on the specialty or whatever. So her point about trying to rehabilitate through counseling, some of these behaviors are learned for years. They're difficult to turn around. But that's why they have the programs inside the prison to be able to try to do that. Tom, one of the terrorists from yesterday who was killed, fortunately, had been in jail and let out of jail, even though he was a known terrorist, and then he struck again. Yeah, and that's one of the problems that's going on right now. I mean, even with the movement by the legislature and Mara Healy to stop ICE from being able to work with the sheriff's offices in creating it to try, they don't want a 287G program here in Massachusetts. That therein lies the problem because if they don't work with ICE and allow the 287G program, they could contact ICE and say we're releasing this guy. But ICE doesn't have somebody at every location. By the time they get there, the guy's gone, right? And that terrorist could be, two days later, attacking some synagogue or some church or who knows what. And people who don't think, it won't happen here in Bristol County. You had a number of terrorists, including ones from Europe, in your facility. Yeah, we did, and the- He used a mortar to blow up a police station. Yeah, yeah, in Ireland. And we also, don't forget, the Boston Marathon, the younger brother lived, he lived not even a quarter mile. He went to my daughter's hair salon, right, where my daughter worked. He does have a nice haircut. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she didn't slip on, she didn't cut his hair. But the point being, the salon she worked at, this guy was going there periodically, but he lived a quarter mile from where I live. Right. Right. And this is a guy who did the Boston Marathon bombing. I need to take a break. UMass Dartmouth, was supposed to be at UMass Dartmouth. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. More here on WBSN. Now, folks, I want you to stick around for Barry Richard. He's coming up next. Stick around for Barry Richard. Then, of course, the great Howie Carr after that. And then we got a great weekend programming. Kenny Pittman will be here at nine o'clock. Paul Santos on Sports, great show. 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