Gender Ideology is an Evil Coercive Cult - Billboard Chris (4K)

I've got two girls. I can't imagine ever telling them that they were born wrong. That message itself is extraordinarily abusive and stupid. Kids are being sterilized and having body parts removed. They're being turned into lifelong pharmaceutical patients. Up to 179 girls under the age of 12 and a half have had— Say that again. Up to 179 girls. There's just—there's just no science for that, is there? Of course not. Trans is not the same as gay, and the left has been very successful in conflating these two things. They call it the LGBTQ2SIA plus community. Those are just a bunch of letters. It's not a community. Ask them questions. Ask them to define these terms. Because no one can. Parents are losing their children to the states because they won't affirm a delusion that their child was born in the wrong body. With your own kids, have you experienced schools trying to pass that stuff on to them? I spoke with the principal for 45 minutes, and he was a problem. Is that your name billboard, Chris? Obviously it's not, but that's sort of become your thing, hasn't it? Yeah, my parents had a lot of foresight when they named me. I like that. My name's Chris Elston. But yeah, I started off this campaign with an actual billboard and then one in Vancouver that said, I love JK Rowling. They took it down. I was following the lead of Kelly J. Keane in England who put up a sign at the Edinburgh train station that said, I love JK Rowling. They took it down after one day because some people on Twitter complained that it was hate speech. And I was reading Harry Potter at the time with my little one every night at bedtime. She was eight at the time, or actually seven back then. And I'd been learning all about this business of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, childhood sex changes. I couldn't believe what was happening to kids. And I couldn't believe we weren't allowed to talk about it. And we couldn't even say we love the world's greatest children's authors. So I put up a big billboard in Vancouver that said the same thing. It also lasted just a day. Vancouver politicians said it was hate speech. I then put up a whole bunch more throughout the US. Just saying, I love JK Rowling. That's right. Who is the world's most beloved author, children's author, and who also is a really progressive liberal. She made Dumbledore gay, she said afterwards. She's done a lot for women's rights. I think I've heard something that she was the only billionaire who was no longer a billionaire because of the amount of money she's given to charities and things like that. That's right. She had donated herself out of the billionaire class. I think she's probably back in there. Because if you walk into any bookstore these days, they've tried to cancel her, but Harry Potter is bigger than ever. But yeah, I just wanted to start conversations. And so the billboard was a means of starting conversations. Not everyone understood what that meant. Why would someone put up an I love JK Rowling billboard? Then they look it up and they figure it out. But anyway, that was all in September 2020. And then starting in October, I'm just a normal guy from Canada, from the West Coast, Vancouver suburbs. And I had embarked on a long mission to help put an end to this child abuse. And my philosophy is we do this one conversation at a time by educating people. And ideally, we kick this old school and we talk to people face-to-face. So they took down my billboard, but they can't take one off my back. So I know I look very ridiculous probably. Normally, people wearing signs are out there preaching about the end of the world or something. But I had some signs made. The first one said, I love JK Rowling and gender ideology does not belong in schools. Today, my main sign that I normally wear is children cannot consent to puberty blockers. And I just go outside. I go to downtown Vancouver. I started traveling across Canada. The borders were closed at the time because of COVID. When the borders opened up in November 2021, I started traveling into the States. And now I'm making my way all around the world. And I've had tens of thousands of conversations about this. And I record them. I post them on social media. So it helps to educate people. And it's been incredibly successful. We have now 25 states in the US that have passed legislation to stop this. Other countries are putting an end to it. That's all not me, of course. It's many people. But part of what I'm doing is trying to activate others to speak about this too. And I just keep making friends and I just take it one day at a time. What would you say to people who say, look, 40 years ago, people were saying this stuff about gay people. They were saying, you know, I'll keep it out of our schools. It's a social contagion. This is a terrible thing. What would you say to those people? So trans is not the same as gay and the left has been very successful in conflating these two things. They call it the LGBTQ2SIA plus community. Those are just a bunch of letters. It's not a community. You don't have gay men really hanging out with lesbians. Transgenderism is about a denial of reality. It's got nothing to do with being gay. But the one connection there is, is that many of these kids who experience distress with their sex, distress about their gender. I don't like that word. I don't use it. But historically, kids with gender dysphoria, a majority of them grew up to be gay. I talked to a woman on the streets of Lisbon just two days ago. When her boy was three years old, he wanted to wear dresses. He wanted to be a girl. He was a very effeminate boy growing up. He preferred to bake cookies than play sports with the boys. And he grew up and he's now a healthy gay man. If he was growing up today, for sure, he'd be told he was trans and he'd be indoctrinated to believe that he was born in the wrong body, which is an extraordinarily abusive thing to tell a child. I've got two girls. I can't imagine ever telling them that they were born wrong. That message itself is extraordinarily abusive and stupid. But then to medicalize them, to stop their puberty from happening, to stop their natural development, to give them the opposite sex hormones, which are causing a host of problems, to cut off body parts of kids. This is what's happening. In the U.S., we know from insurance data that up to 179 girls under the age of 12 and a half have had double mastectomies. Say that again. Up to 179 girls under 12 and a half have had double mastectomies. We're talking about 12-year-old girls getting their breasts cut off when they've hardly formed because they've been taught that they're boys on the inside. There's just no science for that, is there? Of course not. This isn't just the U.S. Now, they're the worst when it comes to surgeries, for sure. I live in British Columbia, Canada, and a nurse who used to work for TransHealth BC wrote a couple months ago that a 12-year-old girl there had had a double mastectomy. I was just in Switzerland. I spoke at the U.N. in Geneva a few days ago, and I met with a father who has lost his daughter to the state. They can't go public with their identities, but I also met with a parent group there, and at least 10 girls, even in Switzerland, under the age of 14, have had double mastectomies. So then, at each age, 13, 14, 15, 16, the numbers get bigger. And then there's tons happening to 18- and 19-year-olds, too. And are they adults? Yes. Do they have the legal right to make decisions on their own? Yes. But doctors should not be just order-takers. They're not working in a McDonald's drive-thru where someone comes through and says, give me a Big Mac, and here you go. If a girl comes in and says, give me a double mastectomy, they shouldn't just be saying, here you go. They should be screening for trauma and abuse and other mental health comorbidities, because in every one of these cases, there are other issues going on. Anxiety, depression, eating disorders, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, abusive parents, sexual abuse is very common. The former president of the American College of Pediatricians says he estimates about 60% of these kids have had sexual abuse. And autism is the number one commonality. The Tavistock in the UK, which has now been shut down, published their own statistics. Out of a sample of 1,069 kids, 35% had moderate to severe autism. Some of these kids are nonverbal, and they're transitioning them. That's insane. It's totally insane. Earlier this year, I know you spoke with Mia Hughes recently. She's a friend of mine from Canada. She published the WPATH files with Michael Schellenberger, and in there are internal emails from these WPATH doctors, videos from their internal conferences, where they admit to kids with dissociative identity disorder or schizophrenia are being transitioned. Some of these kids have multiple personalities, and one personality will identify as trans and the other doesn't, but they're still transitioning them anyway. That's insane. I feel the emotion in your voice when you speak about this, not just now, but I've seen you speak about this many times. This is something that's very, very important to you, understandably. Yes. So, someone asked me, I was speaking with a journalist from Germany yesterday, and she asked me, why are you so passionate about this? I often wonder, why isn't everybody else so passionate about this? Especially parents. When you have kids, everyone should understand this. I understand why people might not be as passionate if they don't have kids. They haven't put as much thought into it, and they don't have as much skin in the game. But when you have kids, your life ceases to be about you, and it's all about your children. And I cannot imagine if my girls came home, or they'd been down some rabbit hole on the internet, which is happening in virtually all of these cases, and they're having a tough time during puberty, and now they don't want to be a girl anymore, and they think they're a boy. That's bad enough. But now you have state encroachment on parental rights happening all across the West, where parents are losing their children to the states because they won't affirm a delusion that the child was born in the wrong body. And when you sit down and talk with parents, as I do, and especially the dads, I've talked to lots of moms, but the dads reach out to me more than they will a lot of the other people speaking about this, because I'm a man, right? And I sit down at Tim Hortons, a coffee shop in Canada, across some burly dude, and he's bawling his eyes out because his autistic little girl thinks she's a boy, and he can't speak out about it because he's afraid child protective services is going to take his kid away, and these parents feel powerless. And in many cases, kids are now being separated from their family, or they're growing up and they're never talking to their parents again, all because they got captured by some cult. And I do view this as a cult. When you look at all cults, it has similarities. People self-police their own thoughts. They don't allow themselves to look at the evidence. There's love bombing, which captures them in the first place. So think about it. You've got all these kids who aren't thriving in life. These aren't the high school cheerleaders and the quarterbacks. These are the kids who have body image issues, eating disorders, they're autistic, they feel like they don't fit in, and maybe they're same-sex attracted as well, because that's very common. This ideology comes along and tells them the reason for their discomfort is because they were born wrong. And then they get love-bombed by this new community, whereas previously they didn't have a lot of friends. Now they'll write on social media, because all these kids are on social media, that they've just come out as trans. Boom, 10,000 likes. All these endorphins. And it feels good, because they're getting some love for the first time. Some fake love. And I say it's fake love, because the moment they leave this cult, all of their friends attack them and say they weren't ever really truly trans. Because these people don't want these children to be their true selves. They just want them to be trans. That's interesting, yeah, which I suppose is the same in all the cults. I suppose there's also an element of the further you go with the surgeries, it's almost like you're going up the, you know, I had a channel about Scientology, and it's like you're going up the OT levels, Operating Thetan level. You're at one, then you're at two, and eventually you get to Tom Cruise level, where you've completely transitioned and you're at the top of the game. Yeah, there's a ton of similarities to that. Similar to Scientology, Scientology practices disconnection. These kids are encouraged to do the same. You've got your glitter family now. You don't need your real family, we'll be your family. Jehovah's Witnesses, it's the same thing, unless you buy into it all completely. They practice what's called shunning. And people are losing their mothers, daughters, sisters, brothers. So... And the abuse that goes on within those cults as well. A Jehovah's Witness is famous for the two witness rule, that it didn't happen unless there were two witnesses there. All these cults, these places where anything can go on within them, that's the kind of environment that I think is created in the trans community. Yeah, and then, unlike cults though, the one thing that's really dangerous about this is it has institutional backing. It has government backing. It has supernational government backing, where the UN is pushing this, the World Health Organization. All the leftist governments throughout the world are pushing this as though we have a gender identity which might be different than our sex. And so one of my tactics when I'm out on the street having these conversations is, there's really two main things when I'm dealing with someone who's kind of hostile to me. Is, number one thing would be to say things they agree with, which is the positive message that our children are beautiful just as they are, that there's no right or wrong way to be a boy or a girl. Nobody can disagree with that. The most rabid far-left individual will have to pause and they'll get confused in that moment when I say that because they come into this not wanting to have a conversation but to win a conversation. And now I've just said something that they agree with. This isn't really useful because people listening and watching now will be thinking, I've had to have these conversations with friends of mine who think they're being progressive. So yeah, go on. What are the things? Right, so say the progressive things that are true, which is that children are beautiful just as they are. We shouldn't put them in some stereotypical box. If a boy is more effeminate, if a girl is a tomboy, what's wrong with that? There's a term for tomboys. They're called beautiful girls. They're not actual boys. This ideology is teaching them that they're supposed to be something they're not and that they won't find true happiness unless they change their bodies. So that's totally nuts and it's abusive. But say things they agree with, they might drop their guard and open up for a conversation a bit. But ask them questions. Ask them to define these terms. Because no one can. I have asked thousands of times, what does it mean for a girl to be a boy? Nobody can tell me. Because of course they can't be. But a typical response I might get, like a woman on the boardwalk in New Jersey last year told me, well, you know, girls like pink and long hair and nail polish. These are girly things. I said okay, so if a boy likes nail polish, does that make him a girl? And they know how ridiculous that is, of course. And old-fashioned. And old-fashioned, yes. But when you get right down to this, all it comes down to is stereotypes and roles. And if you ask them what a gender identity is, nobody can tell you. Kids are being sterilized and having body parts removed. They're being turned into lifelong pharmaceutical patients, forever dependent on some exterior source of estrogen or testosterone. Teenage girls are being sent into menopause with a hundred side effects of its own. They're cutting out their womb, because after four or five years on testosterone, they have to get a hysterectomy. Sometimes they're doing an oophorectomy as well, where they cut out their ovaries, because testosterone causes vaginal and uterine atrophy. So these surgeries become necessary. But they're doing all this, and they can't even define what a gender identity is. The most used resource in the world. Really, there's two of them. The gender-bred person, which is this picture of a gingerbread man, but you can't give it a gendered name, of course, so it's the gender-bred person. And it defines your gender identity as being based on your personality, your job, your hobbies, your likes and dislikes, roles in society, and expectations upon you. It's so funny how much that aligns with some of the more traditional, right-wing guests I've had on, who have spoken sometimes about a woman's role being different to a man's, and things I disagree with. And that they see this as progressive though, somehow, on the trans side. Right, and they've been duped. They've all been deceived. But these are just stereotypes. And this resource, this cutesy little picture of a gingerbread man, is used in children's hospitals all around the world to educate the staff, to educate the parents, to educate the kids about gender identity. And then the other resource is called the gender unicorn. Another cartoonish image of a unicorn. Of course, they use these images because kids love them. They love unicorns and rainbows, right? And when I was speaking with his father in Geneva the other day, when his daughter decided she was a boy, and she was indoctrinated through one of the government schools there, at the hospital, at the children's hospital, they used the gender unicorn to explain what gender identity is. These are resources designed for five-year-olds. But this is the depth of the science behind this. So when I first got into this battle, which it is, this is a war on our kids, I felt like I didn't understand enough about gender. And I wanted to do a lot of research. Well, the more you read, the more you realize there is absolutely nothing to this, and the entirety of this ideology is based on lies. Nothing but lies. This is a pure fabrication and invention of man. But it's really taken off because they've combined the T with the LGB. And nobody wants to speak out against it because then you're labeled a bigot. And in these leftist political parties, now politicians are a different animal than the people they represent. But in these political parties, unless you're pushing this, you have no chance of ever running for these parties. They won't allow you. Because the far left have hijacked the entire left. Unless you maintain the most radical positions, you have no chance in politics. So then you end up with all these activists in politics, pushing this dangerous ideology on our population. This did not grow organically at all. The whole movement is inorganic. And we've had this perfect storm of gay rights being won around 2010, 2015, all around the West. So then what happens to all these NGOs, all these non-profits? They don't close their doors. They don't say, congrats, everybody. We achieved our objective. They have to keep everyone employed. They got to keep donations flowing. So the new objective became trans rights. And they've taken what is a mental illness and turned it into a civil rights movement. It's so difficult. You've got these people who work for diversity organizations, or trans, or gay rights one, those kinds of things. And as you say, what do you do next once you've achieved parity, or something at least close to parity? I mean, not just financially, firstly. You've got to work. Well, what's the next thing we can find? But also a sense of purpose. I've had these debates with people who have did so much good before. And then it's like, okay, we've got gay marriage. We've got to keep pushing and keep going further. And now we're at the point where one thing we've not yet touched on is the eradication of the rights of women and their spaces. That's right. So gender ideology theorizes that your gender is just a feeling. Ultimately, that's all it comes down to. And I have this expression, there are two sexes, there are zero genders, and there are infinite personalities. Because that just sums us all up. And we used gender as a synonym for sex for a long time. A more polite word, perhaps. But the left has taken this word, and they intend for it to mean something entirely different, which is just a feeling based on roles and stereotypes. This man on the street in Lisbon, a psychologist, came and spoke with me and Peter Boghossian and Colin Wright the other day. And he admitted towards the end of the conversation that the whole thing was just based on roles. But your role does not determine what sex you are. Embracing feminine roles does not make you a female. These are just stereotypes. And now, of course, in the world, if any man can just say he's a woman, well, guess what? There are mentally ill men in the world. There are some bad dudes in the world. And when you open up women as a sex class to anyone who wants to say they're a woman, of course people are going to abuse it. I'm from British Columbia. And a man there named Adam Laboukin, and I'm sorry if this gets very graphic, but this guy raped a three-month-old baby boy. He drowned a toddler. The same one? The same, no, two different kids. Oh my God. He then identified as a woman in the province of British Columbia, paid for him to get breast implants, and they put him in the Fraser Valley Penitentiary for women. And he's, of course, assaulted a woman there. But these women are literally caged with people like this, with rapists. And what do our governments say? They say we're a bigot for speaking out about it. I tweeted out this picture yesterday at the University of Manitoba in Canada, and this is all over the West. But Canada is particularly bad. It says, trust people to know what bathroom is best for them. Yeah, I'm not going to trust people. Am I going to trust some dude following my 12-year-old daughter into the washroom? Forget about it. What advice is that? What kind of man does that? These guys know they're going to make the women feel uncomfortable, and they do it anyway. And look what's happened to sports. People said, oh, there aren't going to be enough athletes that really harm women's sports. A very mediocre male takes gold medal from women. Leah Thomas was 450th, I think, in the men's division, first in the women's division. They're also taking scholarships. They're also hurting women. And so, yes— That's a good point you make, because a lot of people who are not— it's usually people who don't do much sports who say, oh, what does it really matter? But the scholarships are often the prizes for these things at universities. It can change someone's life, and the likes of Leah Thomas are taking those opportunities away from women. That's right. And also, if a woman refuses to compete because she doesn't want to compete against a man on principle, as she should, well, then she can also lose out. One of the women who had to get changed with Leah Thomas said he did used to sort of rub against her with his penis, and was like, oops, and was a bit like that. I mean, it's just— what kind of place have you got to be in? Even if you did believe in the whole gender thing, if Leah Thomas does believe in that— I mean, I often say this, like, I'm tall, right? Are you tall as well? Are we both tall? Yeah, I'm 6'2 and a bit. Okay, I'm 6'4, and I was very tall when I was 13. I was already nearly 6'4, so I hated it. You know, as teenagers, every teenager hates what they are, which is part of this problem, by the way, isn't it? I mean, teenagers, of course, they hate their bodies. I never met a teenager who didn't hate their body. You get through that. And I know that I'm in the way of people when they're at concerts, football games, whatever, and I sort of just feel a bit, you know, I better get out of the way, and I don't want the world to change for me. I need to change for it, even though that is an immutable feature, and maybe I shouldn't feel bad, but I do. I don't want people behind not to be able to see. I feel bad. Whereas if I thought I was a woman, you know, I feel like I would just say, but you know what? I know that this is going to make so many women uncomfortable, me in the changing room with them, with my penis out, even if I believed in the ideology, I think. I suppose someone would say no, because if you believed in the ideology, you would say that's just irrelevant. But how can he not see that he's making people so uncomfortable and stealing opportunities from women? He knows. You think? 100%. Of course he knows. He hears about it all the time. What? Well, he hears about it all the time. But he thinks we're just bigots. Does he really? I don't believe it. I think, well, some people must think that. You have to be an exceptional narcissist to go along with that, knowing that you're making people uncomfortable, or not even thinking about the impact of it. You're a man entering into a woman's space where they're changing naked, and you're changing naked in front of them. He knows he's a different sex, okay? He's got the appendage to prove it. This is not debatable. He knows this, and he does it anyway. Perhaps he gets a thrill from it. A lot of them do. There's a condition called autogynephilia, which literally means arousal by pretending that one is a woman, wearing women's clothes, going into women's spaces. This is an erotic fetish for these guys, and women are the ones who suffer. So the left has made this out to be, you have to be kind and caring, and it's not progressive to enforce reality on the world. But this is just the latest in a long string of delusions that mankind has suffered from, and it's not going to be the last one either, because if you look at the history of mankind, we are prone to all sorts of crazy things. This is the latest one, but it's one of the biggest ones in history, because again, all governments, especially the leftist governments, are the ones pushing this, and all of these NGOs with hundreds of millions of dollars between them are pushing this. And then you combine it with social media. This is the first generation of kids that ever had to grow up on social media, and it's catastrophic for them, quite apart from the whole trans identification craze. But the kids who are vulnerable are just sitting ducks for this ideology. I wonder if social media, after sort of launching this whole thing, might also be what brings it down. And again, historically, Scientology, it was the internet that played a huge role, WikiLeaks and Anonymous and South Park, the access to all of these kinds of things. So maybe once we've hit the top of that wave and it will start to come crashing down on social media, we'll be that vehicle. Yeah, the internet was certainly the death of Scientology, because previous to that, nobody could find out the truth about it. If you tried to go to a library anywhere in the world, you couldn't even find a book, because they would have their staff go into the libraries, sign out the critical books, and never return them. There's a woman named Paulette Cooper who wrote a book called The Scandal of Scientology. You could never get it from a library, because they signed them all out and destroyed them. But with the internet, you can't do that censorship anymore. Now, I am seeing a trend. There's a huge split between the sexes on this issue. Young guys, boys in high school, they are not okay with gender ideology. They hate it. When they see me on the street, they all love me. Almost every single one of them. They give me high fives. I get nothing but support. Even in the beginning, when I started this campaign in 2020, people didn't know what was happening. They had no idea what puberty blockers were. They'd never heard of them. So a lot of people looked at me like I was crazy, and maybe I am a little bit crazy. You probably have to be a little bit crazy to do what I do. But they were just confused. And as soon as I have a conversation, and it takes 20 seconds with any average normal person, these are drugs being given to kids which stop their bodies from developing. Stops them from going into puberty, because these kids believe they're the opposite sex. Most people, their jaws hit the floor. They can't believe it's happening. And then you get into the other stuff, the cross-sex hormones and the surgeries. And for a long time, people didn't believe it was happening, because it sounds so extreme. And I don't blame them for not believing me. But we have all the evidence in the world now to support it. And there's been a mass awakening. So with the kids, the younger generation is changing. I think with the millennials and the early Gen Z, a lot more of them were supporting this. But this latest batch coming out of high school, they're not okay with it. And there's a pushback happening. And so perhaps the next generation of rebellious youth will fix this on their own. There's been a suggestion that women in general are liable to being more compliant, partly through empathy, partly if you look at their evolutionary biology, or just the history of women. Whenever they went against a mass delusion or a narrative that was mainstream, they were killed and told they were witches or whatever it was. And if you have enough generations of that, whenever a woman stands up and says, no, I don't think this is right, they're thrown off a cliff or something. You can see how culturally or maybe biologically over the years, they've now been almost trained and made to not speak out as much. That's a theory I'm going with. Yeah, women are naturally more nurturing and more empathetic and have more compassion. And more to lose by speaking out. I mean, J.K. Rowling compared to maybe Ricky Gervais, what J.K. gets in terms of abuse. Yeah, for sure. And also, this is a craze primarily affecting girls. So gender dysphoria used to impact boys, two to one versus girls. But we're talking one out of 30,000 maybe in the population. Today, the kids showing up to gender clinics, it's three to one girls versus boys. We've seen a several thousand percent increase over the last 10, 15 years of kids who now identify as trans because this is a social contagion. And when you put an idea in a child's mind, they then start to ruminate on it and some will obsess over it and some will see this is the pathway forward. This is the solution to all their problems. And then their friends will also hear about it. And some of them will also fall for this. And this is just the latest social contagion which also historically, social contagions primarily affect girls. So this is a suicidal empathy in a way. And again, this ideology is pushed with lies and deception and what these young people are learning in university and from all the trans activists, there are really only two arguments they ever have. The number one argument always used is that kids are going to kill themselves if we don't transition them. What a coercive, manipulative, evil thing to say to a child and to their parents. They'll be at the gender clinic, at a children's hospital and several parents will tell you that they were told they could have a dead daughter or a live son. How else do you justify mutilating children and sterilizing kids? Well, there's only one way to justify that. You say they're going to die. And so that's what they've done. And there's no evidence to support it. We now have evidence, of course, telling the exact opposite, which we always knew. But Finland released a study earlier this year where they looked at, I think it was 27 years worth of data from 1990 to 2017, something like that. More than 2,000 kids had gone to the gender clinic in Finland and they compared it to a control group of 17,000. And the suicide rates were identical. And I think it was only six kids at the gender clinic over those 27 years had committed suicide. And it wasn't because of gender. It was because of other mental health problems. And it was about 17 kids in the control group, kids without gender issues. So the actual rate of suicide was still very low. On an annualized basis, I think it was 0.05%. There's no epidemic of suicide. And then we know from England as well, from the Tavistock, that that wasn't happening. Because in December 2020, the high court ruled that children cannot give informed consent to puberty blockers, exactly what my sign says. And they stopped giving these kids these drugs. And then there was an appeal, which they lost, not because the high court was wrong, but primarily because the court shouldn't be telling the medical profession how to do their job, which I agree with. And ideally, politicians shouldn't be telling them either. The Academy of Medicine should be able to do this on their own. There were many kids on the waiting list. When the Tavistock shut down, there were 15,000 kids on the waiting list, many of them for years. And they looked at the actual suicide rate and it was incredibly low. Because fortunately, suicides with kids are still very low. There's no epidemic, but that's what trans activists use to coerce people. And the other thing they'll say is that puberty blockers are reversible. Time is not reversible. If a child goes on puberty blockers for three months and comes off, yes, puberty will resume. Sure, there will still be a little bit of damage done in there. And we don't know what that damage is because there's never been a clinical trial. The evidence for this is shockingly low. As the Cass Review revealed, it's non-existent. But they'll say that puberty blockers are reversible, that it buys time for the child to explore their gender identity. Because apparently it would be too traumatic for a girl to start developing her secondary sex characteristics, for her breasts to develop, for her hips to get wider. It would be too traumatic for a boy to get broader shoulders and a deeper voice and a hairy face. So the idea behind puberty blockers is keep these kids looking neutral so that they can pass better as the opposite sex when they're older. But there was never any data to support this. And in fact, in reality, when you look at these kids who go down this path, 98% of them stay on the puberty blockers and they progress to the cross-sex hormones. Because that whole thing about buying them time to explore their gender identity, that's a sales pitch. That's all it is. In reality, these kids have bought into this idea that they were born wrong, they need to become the opposite sex, and the only way they do that is through puberty blockers and the opposite sex hormones, which together are sterilising kids, causing irreversible harm. And for these 18-year-old boys who were on puberty blockers the whole time, they've now got a micro-penis for life. So if puberty blockers are reversible, how come that never gets fixed? Is that right? Do we know that 100% then? 100%. Because why does that... If the idea is, and obviously I don't know anything about science, if the idea is this is blocking the puberty and then you sort of hit resume, then the puberty should happen and the penis should grow. Yes, but our bodies go through stages and puberty ends around 16, 17, 18. Oh, so it doesn't just start later. It doesn't start later. So if you miss, if you do the puberty blockers until you're 18, you never resume. That window's gone. I didn't understand that. Yeah. I just thought, okay, you'll go through it at 20 instead of at 12. No, that window's gone. It's over. So all these boys end up with a micro-penis for life. So this is why when these boys go on to get surgeries... So, you know, the whole argument, first of all, doesn't work for girls. Because girls, when they go on testosterone when they're 18 or 19, they all tend to pass as males. They look like really small men because they get a beard and they get a deep voice. And with your mind, psychologically, when you see someone with a beard, you just think male. But of course, the men have a harder time passing because they get deeper voices and they're big. So the whole argument doesn't really make as much sense for girls, even though the argument is shite to begin with. It doesn't make as much sense for girls. But for the boys, they've got this micro-penis. They have this penis the same size as when they were 11 or 12. And now they want to create a vagina. So in these vaginoplasties, or these penile inversion surgeries, they're called, they will castrate the boy. They will invert the penis. But because there's not enough tissue, they can't get the depth that they like. So they will cut out some of the boy's colon or some of his peritoneum, which is the lining of your abdominal cavity. And they use that to line the inside of this neo-vagina. And of course, there are many surgical complications. I won't get into it all. Some of these young men have died after this surgery. They've developed necrotizing fasciitis and they can't stop the spread and they've died. One of the boys, in one of the most early trials, of one of the most, not a trial, but one of the earliest studies that was done, it wasn't a proper clinical trial with a control group or anything, but one of the boys died and they still labeled the study as success. With normal pharmaceutical studies, for example, with 15,000 participants, if there were five deaths, they're going to be looking further into this. But for some reason, with this industry, they don't care about facts. They don't care about science. This is all ideology. Ideology has hijacked the medical field. Gosh. What about, I mean, the rebuttal would be there are quite a few people, or a lot of people who have had these horrible-sounding surgeries who appear to be living quite happily. So I hear this all the time. I'll give you a real-life example. I went to Florida State University to have conversations on campus with Chloe Cole. Chloe Cole is a young woman who was harmed. She went on puberty blockers and testosterone at the age of 12 or 13. She had a double mastectomy at 15. She regretted it less than a year later. She's been speaking out all across the U.S., helping to get legislation passed, et cetera. But I was there having conversations with her, and this young trans-identified woman, I think, sometimes it's hard to tell, she came up to talk to me, literally shaking. Literally. This happens all the time. People get these adrenaline dumps and they're shaking. Angry. We spoke for five, 10 minutes. Towards the end, she started to cry. But she will swear up and down that she's the happiest she's ever been. Words do not reflect reality when you see these people in real life. They can say they're happier. They'll all tell you, by the way, that if I didn't have puberty blockers, I would have killed myself. But the stats don't show that. Yet the data does not support that. So what people say and what is reflected in reality are two different things. We talked about cults. A lot of the indoctrination with children, of course, that's quite culty, and it makes you think of Maoist communism or whatever. You know, that was always the kids, and the kids would have to go against their parents. There'd be a struggle session, stuff like that. With that stuff, with your own kids, have you experienced schools trying to pass that stuff onto them? So no, so I made a big stink when I started this campaign at my kid's elementary school. I spoke with the principal for 45 minutes right in the beginning of my campaign in the parking lot. He'd heard that I'd started this campaign, and he was a problem. He was a problem. So I told him when I was speaking, I said, I've embarked on this campaign, and I might write about our conversation today, just so you know, on social media. And he was a problem, so. What did he say? Oh my gosh. So I had gotten into this conversation in our local community's Facebook group, where I'd posted some of the materials that were part of the school curriculum, part of the school lesson plans. For example, kindergartners, they might be asked to fill out a little card which says, hi, my name's Sheila. Please call me they. And their job is to go around the classroom of kindergartners, introducing themselves with these alternate pronouns. These children were in diapers two years ago. They should not be practicing pronouns. This is insane. And of course, if you indoctrinate children, that's the best way to change the culture. And that's what's happening. And I knew the moment they put this in schools, we had a problem. And my light bulb went off in my head, and I knew I had to do something about this. But I posted some of these lesson plans in our local community's Facebook group with thousands of people. Right away, all these activists showed up, including a human rights lawyer. I don't even think she lives in the community. I think she's in all these different groups to silence people. But I said, I'm going to go around the community, and I'm going to drop off some of these actual lesson plans door to door, so that parents can know what's going on in their schools. The principal of my kid's school said, if I did that, I would make the community feel unsafe. I said, let me get this straight. If I just drop off the lesson plans produced by the government with no commentary, I'm going to make people feel unsafe? Do you hear yourself right now? And anyway, he was a problem. And so I went home, and I looked up. In Canada and US, we have school boards. Each city has their own school board, seven, eight, nine members, who help determine policy and things like that. And I looked up all of the school trustees in all these cities near me, representing millions of people. I then looked up which ones had Twitter accounts. And I wrote this thread all night long about all the abuses happening to kids. And in each part of this thread, I tagged different school board members, their Twitter accounts. So when they woke up in the morning, they all had 500, 600 notifications. Well, the school district reached out to me to have a meeting. I met with them, and I kid you not, the woman responsible for Safe Schools in Surrey, British Columbia, she teared up about three times during this meeting because she agreed with me. Wow. And the other gentleman, I could also tell he agreed with me. They can't say that, but I can tell talking to them. We had this hour-long meeting. We both recorded it. And they said, look, Chris, there's nothing we can do. You have to talk to the Minister of Education because this all comes from the top down. And there is pretty much nothing they can do. So anyway, the school learned that I'm probably not someone they want to mess with, to be honest with you. And so I've essentially gotten to pick my kids' school teachers in elementary school. So not all teachers are pushing this, of course. And my kids' teachers have been great, so I haven't had a problem. And I've had these conversations with my kids at age-appropriate levels over the years. They fully understand what's going on. My eldest, she's 14 now. She's in grade 10. She was showing all her friends at high school my speech at the UN the other day. And she's been a positive influence for these other kids because in grade seven, her teacher did spend one day talking about the gender unicorn a little bit. And my daughter spoke up and said, it seems to me this is all about stereotypes. If a girl wants to have short hair, what's wrong with that? She's still a girl. And whereas the kids had all been quiet because they know instinctively this is wrong, these teachings. As soon as she spoke up, it breathed courage into these other kids who then said, yeah, that's right. And I know another boy in grade seven in that same school, different teacher, one of these activist teachers pushing this. Three boys in that grade seven class made their teacher cry because the boys said that boys have no business playing in girls' sports and they wouldn't back down on their opinion. And they made this activist teacher cry. How pathetic is that? What's so frustrating is that I'm sure those teachers would have read about the struggle sessions and Mao and the Bolsheviks and all of these kinds of things and that they can't see that they're doing exactly what they may have read about. Yeah, that's right. There are a ton of parallels between this and cults and communism as well. A lot of the people pushing gender ideology will straight up tell you that they're communists. I've had counter protests. Normally, I'm just out there to have conversation. I don't really consider myself a protester. My signs are just a means of stimulating conversation. But I have held some protests. I've had a whole lot of crazy things happen including getting my arm broken and 35 assaults and being arrested twice after being assaulted. But I had a counter protest of a few hundred people in Toronto, Canada and they were literally holding up signs with Lenin's picture on them or Karl Marx's picture on them because they're just straight up communists. And before that protest I held in Toronto, the Labour Congress of Canada representing a hundred different labour unions all got together on a Zoom call that was leaked out all talking about what are they going to do to derail this protest and these other protests that I'd inspired across Canada. What were all these union members going to do? We're talking about the electrical workers' union, the steel workers' union, all these unions representing men 100% of whom support me. But the union heads are all communists and they're the ones pushing this. All these far-left people. Is there any kind of trans person that you would accept? Is there any kind of trans you might have a space to believe in? No, there's no such thing as being transgender. That's just a label. There are people with distress about their sex and we need to help them. But transgender is just a label. It's curious that they changed the term transsexual to transgender. Much softer, more accepting term. No one wants a transsexual child. But transgender? Quite hip. It's hip. But it's the same thing. But those are just labels. So my labels for these kids are the traditional ones. They're called boys and girls and they're beautiful just as they are. Finito. And if they want to be gay or anything? If kids are... So I don't call kids gay or straight or anything. But when they grow up? If they're gay when they grow up, they're gay. You can define what gay means. It's same-sex attracted. You can put a gay man in an MRI machine and show him gay porn and the parts of his brain associated with sexual arousal will light up and they won't for straight porn. This is all measurable and definable. Nobody can define what transgender means. No one can define what gender means. Everyone has a different definition. They can't tell you what a gender identity is. This whole thing is made up. There are two sexes. There are zero genders. And when there's zero genders, no one can be transgender. And you know what's curious about this? I'll have this conversation on the street and I'll tell these people who identify as trans that gender doesn't exist and many of them agree with me. And I'll say then, so if gender doesn't exist, how can you be transgender? What are you trans of? They have no answer. Because again, this is just a cult that doesn't make any sense. Do you find yourself convincing minds on the street? Yeah, all the time. Of course. I mean, truth is convincing. Now, in order to be convinced of something, you have to be open to having a conversation. And again, like with cults, if you're in a cult, someone's in a cult, they're not open to the truth. They will self-police their own thoughts. They put up a wall and you cannot penetrate that wall. But what you can do is you can say things they agree with. Again, these are the strategies. And you can ask them questions because you got to get them thinking. The only reason people ever come out of a cult is because they started questioning it themselves. And to be honest with you, all of them already have these thoughts in the back of their head. They just don't allow themselves to explore them. But when you plant those seeds of doubt, if you can just plant doubt about one thing, they'll then question, well, what else did I believe in that's not right? So for example, the third thing a lot of these activists will bring up is, well, what about intersex people, they say. Well, what about them? This has nothing to do with gender ideology. Intersex is an umbrella term for a variety of disorders of sexual development. So for example, if someone's going to say, well, what about intersex people? These are a third sex or there's more than two sexes or whatever. Give me an example. Which one of these intersex disorders is a third sex? So let's talk about persistent malarian duct syndrome. This is something Eric Weinstein brought up. Was that on your podcast? No. Okay. That might have been trigonometry. I can't remember, but I got into this a little bit with him on X. And persistent malarian duct syndrome is a condition where these fetuses, the little developing boys, don't produce a hormone called anti-malarian hormone. And when we first start developing, we all, as males, start developing fallopian tubes in a uterus. But then this anti-malarian hormone causes it to dissolve and gets absorbed by the body. And then our male gonads form. And we're just healthy males without any disorders. But with these boys, that hormone isn't produced. And these males are born with a useless uterus and fallopian tubes. But they have testicles. They're going to produce testosterone. Sperm. They're fully male. Perhaps like Iman Khalif, the boxer. Yes. So we don't know what condition he has, if any. There's about three or four different things it could be. But in every instance, he's 100% male. Yeah. And people with these disorders hate being brought into this discussion. There are people with XXY chromosomes, for example. It's called Klinefelter syndrome. They're all fully male. There's another condition with a single X chromosome. They're all fully female. And we treat them according to their sex. Because a lot of them need hormonal treatment, for example. And they need to be treated with estrogen. And they need to be treated with testosterone. Or else they'll have other problems. So it's just a myth that these people aren't male or female. Every single person ever born is one or the other. I think it's also a bit of a red herring. Because even if they were third sex, it's like, yeah, but you're not that. Like, you know, you're a man or a woman. And if you are one of the one in a million who has this third sex, which is hypothetical, then you're that. 100%. But they use this to sidetrack the conversation. But my point there, what I was trying to get to, and I forgot what I was going to say, is if you introduce one of these conditions, like persistent malaria and Dukk syndrome, and explain that this person's fully male, you can Google it. And right away it'll say, yes, they're male. Right away you put doubt in that person's mind. Oh, I thought these people were a different sex. Now this one is male. It's indisputable. What else am I believing that's wrong? Sometimes you come up against just a blockage, though. I mean, I had this conversation. I was at a festival speaking somewhere last week in London. And there was a French woman at dinner afterwards who said she was a philosophy teacher at the Sorbonne, which is obviously very prestigious. So I thought, well, this is interesting. And I think she brought it up. I don't think it was me obsessing her. But maybe I did, I don't know. And we talked about Iman Khalif. And I said, well, you know, this is a man. I had a, you know, and she was saying, no, no, no, no, that is not true. This is not, no, she is a woman. She is a beautiful woman, and all of this stuff. And I thought, you're a philosophy teacher. So I said, well, why do you think that? And she said, why do you think it? And I said, well, you know, because I had a developmental biologist from the University of Manchester on the show, Dr. Emma Hilton, who spent an hour explaining to me every single part of why this person is a man. And I really pushed, you know, to do devil's advocate. And it's just, there's no doubt here that this is a man who was beating up women. I know people don't want to believe that. And I said, so what about you? And she said, no, because I'm French and this happened in France, and so I know all about it. And I said, but that's not evidence. You being French doesn't make Iman Khalif any less of a man. And I thought this was insane that this was an established, prestigious philosopher from the Sorbonne who still had nothing. I wanted more, you know? And you must have that feeling sometimes. You want a better argument. You want like something. There has to be something. People say to me sometimes, Chris, what's the most intelligent, intellectual argument you've ever had for transitioning kids? Well, there isn't one. There's never been one. I would love it, to be honest with you. Please show me how I'm wrong. Yeah. I love being wrong. Some people don't like being wrong. I love it. And a mature individual should love to be wrong because that's how we learn. And you shouldn't have that pride. You should be able to humble yourself and admit, yes, I was wrong about this. And that's how you learn. Or if you don't know something, just admit you don't know. But yes, some people absolutely have those blockages and some people just can't be reached. You know what was sad? And I'm sure you've experienced this as well. She started reaching for, you know, oh, you can't just say, you just say as a man because you find different kinds of things disgusting. She wanted to portray me as like a bigot who doesn't like differences. And she couldn't have been further wrong. I embrace anything. Be different. Do your thing. And I thought, what a low blow that she had to resort to that because she didn't have logic. Yeah, that's the sign of an immature individual, isn't it? I should teach her this, Orban. Yeah, you should. But I think even COVID showed us how broken so many people are and how easily manipulated that they are. The human mind is very easily manipulated. And it doesn't matter how smart someone is. We're all prone to being harmed by propaganda. And in her case, I mean, I'm not surprised. She's probably a leftist. She's female. This preys on her natural compassion and all that. And also, if she were to speak out against this, she's going to lose all of her social status. So she's incentivized to just stick with that belief she has. Yeah, she'll lose all her friends. Yeah, yeah. What about, I mean, I saw a Peter Boghossian video with you and you ended up calling a guy disgusting. Do you remember? There was a guy, he said he didn't like sports. I didn't call him disgusting. What he was saying was disgusting. I think you called him disgusting. I don't call people disgusting. I think you said, I think you're disgusting. Well, you were really angry. Maybe we can, I wasn't angry. I remember this. I wasn't angry. Okay. This was at Speaker's Corner in London. Okay. And he was talking about why men should be able to compete against women. Yeah, you were doing the street epistemology thing on the floor. That's right. Yeah. And I mean, I'd have to review the clip, but it's absolutely disgusting to be saying that big strong men should be competing against women and hurting women and taking their spots away. So, yeah, that's disgusting. Is he being disgusting in that moment? Absolutely. It's disgusting to maintain that view. Was it awkward afterwards? No, not at all. I've got one more question for you, but first, where can people follow you and see your work? Most of, almost all of my work is on X, at Billboard Chris, Instagram as well. And in the future, I will get the other platforms going. I do have YouTube channel and Rumble and TikTok I need to get going. I won't last long. Don't bother with TikTok, it's just a mess there. But yeah, X and Instagram. And I have a website, billboardchris.com, and if people want to support me, that'd be great because I do all this at my own expense, traveling around the world. Who's a heretic you admire? Oh, boy. You were supposed to be asked that before, so you could think about it. Well, I'm going to go with the OG on this one, JK Rowling. I don't agree with her on everything political, but she is the most high-profile person in the world who took this on when nobody else would. So, huge respect for that. She's the OG. Well, people, please go follow Billboard Chris. He's given up his time. He's been great. We'll put the links in the description. Please do go follow him. Hit the like on this video, and keep watching this very similar-themed video that you might like.