An Ancient Communist Utopia- The Indus Valley Civilization

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In 5,000 years time if an archaeologist was going to analyze the remains of our civilization
two things would be very obvious. First that we live in a very very unequal society, there is
definitely an upper class, a political class, and a lower class with me, everyone I know,
and probably you too. Second that we are a society with a large standing army that frequently gets
involved in large conflicts, we're very militarized. Both of these things would be
very obvious archaeologically and certainly obvious in the historical record. Now this isn't
some grand philosophical discovery on my part, war and inequality have been a feature of human
civilization for, I mean basically forever. With one prominent possible exception, the Indus Valley
Civilization. Can this really be true? Were they some sort of ancient communist utopia?
Let's take a look. Let's take a look at the evidence.
Okay I know this civilization isn't as famous as some so let's just have a super quick tiny
guide to the Indus Valley Civilization aka Harappan. It existed in what is now India,
Pakistan, and eastern Afghanistan, and it's called the Indus Valley Civilization because
it was on the Indus, kind of. Other rivers too, but also the Indus. It's divided into three periods,
early, mature, late. Though when we're talking about the Harappan civilization we often just
refer to the mature period. That's when they developed a writing system that we can't read,
lived in large cities. Harappa and Mahindra Dharo being the biggest with like 30,000 to 50,000
people in that sort of size, and they generally lived a bronze age lifestyle you know. They
traded with their neighbors, they made fine crafts, stuff like that, bronze age stuff.
At its height the civilization spanned over three million square kilometers, which is bigger than
Egypt and Mesopotamia combined. It really was huge, colossal, and allegedly was a peaceful
egalitarian society, which I've clickbaitingly called an ancient communist utopia because the
algorithm rules my life. Don't judge me. This accusation has intrigued me so much though. I've
spent the last three months looking into it. This video is so behind schedule. Can this really be
true? Can they really have been so different to uh everywhere else? I'm, I'm, I'm skeptical. I'm,
I'm pretty skeptical. Big thanks to my Patreons for uh suggesting the topic. Bish bash bosh,
let's look at the arguments. Okay so who says they were peaceful and why? Well this peaceful
interpretation of Harappan archaeology goes way back to the earliest days of its excavations.
McKay in 1931 believed that the weapons he found at Harappan sites were made of such
thin metal they would double up on impact and he connected this like perceived simplicity
of weapons to an absence of war. Judging from the small number of weapons of offense and defense
the people of Mohenjo-daro appear neither to have been a warlike people nor have feared invasion.
This idea really took off. It's, it's been repeated frequently throughout the 20th century but
it's coming under increased scrutiny and I'm doing some scrutinizing too. This,
it seems too good to be true. Uh Harappan weapons were simple. Yes, correct. They don't vary much
in design and the blades don't have a mid-rib. If we compare a typical Harappan axe to one from
Mesopotamia, Harappan axes were unsocketed and didn't come in specialized shapes or fancy shapes.
Does this mean they weren't used in war though? You know an axe doesn't have to be fancy to kill
you. Egyptian axes were unsocketed until the iron age and no one would say that the Egyptians didn't
go to war. As for bending upon impact, I mean sure they're simple but they're the same thickness as
I know bronze isn't the sharpest, it isn't the strongest metal, it'll still stab the crap out of
you realistically. I don't want to fight someone with a bronze weapon. McKay's claim that weapons
are also few in number, it doesn't really add up. Between 30 to 50 percent of the metal assemblages
found across the Indus could be considered tools slash weapons. It could be argued that McKay was
inclined to think of these arrows and spears and axes as tools rather than weapons because they're
found exclusively in domestic contexts, whereas in Mesopotamia they're found in tombs so it sort
of gives you this idea of a you know an important warrior being buried whereas if they're just found
in the kitchen maybe not. Either way there's loads of bloody weapons across the Harappan civilization.
Another strange thing this alleged peaceful civilization was doing was building
tons of walls. Almost all Harappan towns were walled. Now walls aren't necessarily for defense,
some could appear defensive but most of the time you know could have had an administrative function.
Others are to separate ritual areas from everyday areas like the torii gates of Japan. You'll often
find the walls at Harappan sites described in these terms, particularly in older sources.
Close consideration of the walls around Indus cities has shown that they cannot have been
constructed for defense against people. In particular the gateways were not designed
to impede the entrance of enemies or give military advantage to defenders. Instead they provide an
outer bulwark supporting the massive platforms on which Indus towns and citadels were often
constructed. Cannot have been constructed for defense against people, that's a pretty bold
claim. I mean sure many of the walls may have been a part of a flood defense system. Harappan
cities were built on these huge mounds of mud bricks presumably to rise them above flood waters
and the walls could have played a part in that, no doubt. Can we argue that that was the only
function that the walls had? I don't think so. At Serkatada the city walls contained bastions
at several points around the walls. These would be totally unnecessary as flood protection but
would be bloody brilliant if you needed to, you know, bosh someone on the head with a rock or an
arrow or whatever. Their gateways are pretty complicated, they have these L shapes and
possible guard rooms. That design certainly seems like it was created to impede the movement of
people. Another town, Dholavira, also had an elaborate gateway with possible rooms but
interestingly this town's city walls were up to 18 meters in thick which is really pretty
unnecessary for defense. Were they a part of, you know, some sort of flood system? Probably not.
The town was not by any major rivers and was unlikely to have been at risk of flooding.
It's possible that as Dholavira is a coastal town they built these extra thick walls as
protection against a tsunami which can happen in in Gujarat where the town is, but still it
has elaborate gates, it has bastions. This suggests that this huge wall, whatever its purpose,
was not entirely for controlling water. Let's, let's quickly compare this to another
contemporary civilization. The Lion Gate at Mycenae is not complicated at all, just walk
straight into the bloody town. Yet we know that the Mycenaeans certainly participated in war,
so for me I'm not personally 100% convinced that the sophistication of gateways is an indicator or
not of whether a civilization went to war. There are obviously more Harappan towns than that but
I think these two examples show that not all Harappan walls could be considered solely flood
defenses. Why build bastions to protect yourself against water? Makes no sense. Anyway, a lot of
Harappan towns actually show signs of burning, not flood damage. At the juncture between the
early Harappan and the mature Harappan, an interesting pattern emerges. Kot Diji, Gumla,
Amri, Nausharo, Kalabangan, all of these towns whose names I've no doubt butchered, they all
show major signs of burning. Complete destruction of the towns between these two periods.
Accidental fires can happen but rarely at a large scale. We might not see a pattern if they were
accidental. At Kalabangan there's possible evidence of an earthquake, so a huge natural disaster
can't be ruled out. But the pattern is really striking. According to Greg Possell, of 523
Harappan sites found so far, 324 were abandoned before the mature Harappan period. 71% of mature
towns were founded on virgin land, unlike say in the near east where towns are used for so long
they create these man-made hills called tells. I mean why is such a huge change between these
two periods? Sadly the mists of time have obscured exactly what happened, but I think
personally it's probably unlikely that the transition between the early Harappan
and the mature Harappan was entirely peaceful. That's a lot of burning, that's a lot of abandoned
towns. Bones bones bones. Excavations outside the city of Harappa itself recorded injuries to
9 of the 58 cranium recovered. That's over 15 percent, that's a high rate, that's a high
percentage of boshes on the noggin. Now these are just a few examples of course, we have to bear in
mind that this is an extremely small sample of all the people who ever lived and died during the
Indus Valley Civilization, but nevertheless it shows that some Harappans participated in,
witnessed, or were victims of violence. Organized warfare, it might have been a factor in their
debts, no reason to rule it out. Now as I said earlier we can't read their writing, even if we
could it is probably not going to be that illuminating. The longest inscription is only 26
characters long, there's a limit to how much information can be revealed in such short
inscriptions. However Harappans did trade with Mesopotamia and we can read their writing. So
did they ever say anything about war with Harappa? Well only once and it's a massive maybe, absolutely
massive maybe. Remush, king of the world, in battle was victorious over Abalgamal, king of Parabku.
Zabar, Elarn, Glupin, and Meluha assembled in Parabium for battle. It's believed that Melua,
mentioned in this text, was the Mesopotamian name for the Indus Civilization, but we're not 100%
on that, we could definitely be wrong. And we have to bear in mind that the author, whoever they were,
could have been lying, exaggerating, wrong, misinformed. But if Melua does mean the Indus
Valley, and if the author wasn't lying or wrong, then that is one source describing a conflict
with Harappa. That's one minor point in in favor of war. I think the only major point in favor of
Harappans living peaceful lives is the lack of artwork depicting war or violence. I could only
track down one seal, which seemingly shows two people spearing each other. There may be more
that I couldn't find, but if they exist they're certainly not discussed in any of the books about
Harappa, even when they're talking about conflict and violence. This is obviously really different
to the rest of the ancient world where representations of war are much more common.
So I suppose even though I don't think that they lived peaceful lives, I think this
peaceful Harappans is is a bit of a myth. It could be that Harappan civilization was more peaceful
than other regions, and that being a warrior was not a core feature of someone's identity,
they're not choosing to represent it in art, they're not burying themselves with weapons, so
they could have just been part-time soldiers just on the weekends. They might not have fought
pitched battles involving thousands upon thousands of people, maybe they participated in raiding or
ritual conflicts, just violence that would leave less of an archaeological trace. It's not just war
that isn't illustrated in their artwork though, we're also missing any images of rulers or monarchs
or kings or queens. After 100 years of excavation it's fair to say we still have no idea how their
society was organized. There are certain things we expect to see in the archaeological record if a
society has a strict hierarchy. Monumental tombs are obviously a sign of hierarchy, but the graves
in Harappan culture are remarkably similar. The most variable item is pottery. An elaborate grave
might contain 30 pots, 50 pots, 70 pots, about that amount. A less elaborate grave may be none
or two. Presumably the guy with 70 pots is richer than the guy with none, but 70 pots that's hardly
the height of luxury, that's nothing compared to a pyramid, anything like that. Over in Mesopotamia
sometimes over 100 people would be sacrificed when a monarch died. That's luxury, that's hierarchy,
70 pots, what's that? If you're a king and you've only got 70 pots that's pretty pitiful in my
opinion. It's worth pointing out that burial itself could be an identifier of some sort of
social rank, possibly. For example at Kalabangan I believe they only found 88 graves. Now this town
probably had a population of at least a thousand people and was occupied for 600 years, so 88 graves
is way less people than lived and died there. So perhaps regardless of how many pots were
included in your burial, the fact that you were buried alone might be some sort of indicator of
rank. Or perhaps the opposite, perhaps the graves don't vary that much because we're only finding
the graves of peasants and something else happened to the really special elite people. But the problem
with that idea is that there's probably a lot more than 88 peasants as well, so it's a tricky
issue, it's a tricky issue. But either way they have nothing on this scale, the burials of the
near eastern Mesopotamia or Europe even, nothing approaching the scale of these ancient burials.
There are no great monuments to any rulers uncovered, no monuments at all in fact, absolutely
none. There are no obvious temples or palaces, instead we find houses that are very uniform in
size. Here's some examples from Mohenjo-daro, not much variation, just a few extra rooms.
Life in these houses uh would have been pretty comfortable though, many houses had toilets,
bathrooms, sewer systems. There is nothing that we know of in prehistoric Egypt or Mesopotamia
or anywhere else in western Asia to compare with the well-built baths and commodious houses
of the citizens of Mohenjo-daro. In those countries much money and thought were lavished
on the building of magnificent temples for the gods and on palaces and tombs of kings,
but the rest of the people seemingly had to content themselves with insignificant dwellings of mud.
In the Indus valley the picture is reversed and the finest structures are those erected for the
Temples, palaces and tombs there may of course have been, but if so they are either still
undiscovered or so like other edifices as not to be readily distinguishable from them.
Really if you think about it, considering the scale of their civilization it is truly incredible
that after 100 years we haven't unearthed an obvious temple or palace. Now you might be
I thought that too. That is a later edition, it's a Buddhist stupor, it's not contemporary
to Harappan civilization, just in case you're wondering. Not only were these towns and houses
well equipped in terms of water management, between them they shared a universal system
of weights and measurements and they could support a large population, you know, 50,000 people.
That's not small. How do we explain this complexity without hierarchy? Who decided
the towns should be this way? Could their society really have been so egalitarian? Were they a bunch
of commies like old Lenin here? Or was social rank signified in more subtle ways? One artifact
which has probably come to represent Harappan culture more than any other is the so-called
Found in 1925 it was interpreted by excavators as as represented some form of breeze king,
hence the name. But modern archaeologists have basically rejected this title. Realistically
we have no idea who this person is, we don't know if it even is representing a real person,
or it could be a mythological figure or a god, we just don't know. As well the statue is a mere 18
centimeters tall. It is seemingly snapped in half, so let's say the original was 30 to 40
centimeters. That's still a very modest statue of a king. Similar statues anyway have been unearthed
in Iran, so it could be evidence of trade and cultural exchange rather than any one ruler.
Another possible indicator of rank are the over 200 seals that have been found throughout the
Indus Valley, and even as far away as Gonordepe in Turkmenistan. These tablets are carved out of
steatite or soapstone, very soft stuff. Soft, crumbly, it's the butter of rocks. But they were
baked and glazed to increase their hardness. It's not believed they represented any specific rulers,
though you know as we can't read the bloody writing it's hard to say for sure. Could they
represent corporate groups, oligarchies, merchant guilds? The number of animals on the seals does
not vary that much, only 17 different animals are represented. What did each animal represent?
A family? A tribe? Merchant guild? Trade guild? God? We can't say for sure. The fact that they're made out
of soft stone means that they probably weren't used often as stamps, and were maybe worn as a
badge of office. They do have loops on the back to hang them from something. The existence of
corporate groups or a system for distributing labor is not proof in of itself that Harappan
society was hierarchical, but there could have been some differentiation between the groups.
For example, if one group was represented by this unicorn symbol, then these unicorn guys, what's
those? These unicorn guys, these bronies, they were by far and away the most numerous. Though again,
these stamps are made out of the butter of rocks. What we think of as being a more numerous group
might in fact just be a huge bias in the archaeological record. Intriguingly, these signs
are remarkably uniform over time. Perhaps the fact that they don't vary much could be evidence of
hierarchy? The use of these standardized seals within a hierarchically regulated structure of
officially established and liaising socioeconomic and possibly political roles might explain the
persistence of a restricted set of symbols and material expressions spread with minor variations.
In other words, it's possible whoever controlled the seals controlled the economy. Until we decipher
their alphabet, this debate just is not going to end. It really is the missing piece of the puzzle.
In my own personal opinion, this is still pretty poor evidence for a strict hierarchy and social
control. Even if the seals did represent some sort of oligarchy or controlling group, you know, some
ruling bureaucracy of scribes, then why didn't they use their position to further their wealth
in other ways? Why just the seals? If this really is the case, if this civilization was really
egalitarian, then we need some way to explain their motivation for constructing these cities.
This was no small job. These mounds are made up of hundreds of thousands of mud bricks, as people
would have had to have made in the hot sun. You know, that's not a fun job. They had to have some
reason to do it. Greg Postle believes that we can get a glimpse of the ideology that might have
united the Harappan peoples. The abandonment of towns at the transition to the mature period,
the city life, the importance of water, the craft specialization that they would have had to have
had to just be a bronze age mercantile society. These could offer a peek into their founding
ideology. Was this ideology the uniting factor, the motivating factor? Did perhaps a specific
religious conviction cause these people to unite into creating these great works?
It's possible. It's an incredible thought, but it's possible. Alright Amundo, let's wrap this
video up. You've been listening to me and my spoon long enough. Were the Harappans peaceful?
I think you know my answer to that question. I don't think we can honestly say that.
They had weapons, lots of them. They had city walls with bastions, lots of them. Towns were
abandoned and burnt, lots of them. They had cemeteries with people who were wounded, many
bosh on the noggin victims. What further evidence could we want for violence? The only missing piece
is that artwork, but everything else suggests that they were violent. And again I'm not saying
they necessarily fought huge pitched battles on the regular, but they were fighting someone
some of the time. I think there's plenty of evidence to say that. As for the charge that
they were egalitarian, that seems to me harder to dispel. If they had an elite, they certainly
didn't flaunt their wealth anywhere near as much as other contemporary societies on their scale.
I mean king 70 pots? That's really not a lot. So where does this leave us? Well in my opinion there
are three possible options. Number one, there was an aristocracy, monarchy, hierarchy, but for whatever
reason it's become archaeologically invisible. Vankovsky argues that Harappan civilization maybe
was like Anglo-Saxon England. Cities full of merchants, but an aristocracy that pretty much
exclusively lived in rural areas, and we just haven't found or excavated their palaces. Number
two, the seals are a symbol of some sort of mercantile oligarchy, some sort of ruling caste
that for some reason has just become hard to identify archaeologically in any other way. And
number three, Harappa was truly an egalitarian society, or as egalitarian as it's possible to
get. Maybe they were some sort of bronze age republic. It's certainly not impossible. I'm
gonna throw a cheeky fourth option at you as well. Massimo Vidale believes that we have
misinterpreted the evidence for palaces, sort of how I believe we've misinterpreted their evidence
for how peaceful they were. He argues that the large buildings at Mohenjo-Daro, which we have
sort of labeled as marketplaces, public baths, could be better interpreted as palaces, though we need to
excavate more to determine if that is true or not. But he argues that we have misinterpreted
the evidence, so option number four, we're wrong. At the minute, as the evidence for social hierarchy
is sparse, that what side of this debate that you come down on really depends on your ideology. Do
you think all of this complexity that we see is possible without hierarchy, or are we all
just fundamentally a bunch of bootlickers down to our very core? I won't tell you what I think,
golly gosh that video took forever to make. Hope you enjoyed it though, what do you think? Do you
agree with me that they weren't peaceful but probably egalitarian? Let me know down in the
comments. A big thanks to Anna from the podcast The Dig for doing the voiceovers for me, even though
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