Arsenal HUMILIATE & BREAK Them😱 115 Decision IMMINENT! & Slot on the BRINK!😮

Hello, welcome back to Killing the Game on the Football Terrace. Like, share and subscribe. Not in my normal surroundings today. I'm away from home. I'm in Manchester actually with the United Stand. So not familiar settings, but like, share, subscribe. We're going to jump into this. We've got some brilliant clips for you today. I of course want to get your views and want to get your opinions on these. We're talking 1-1-5 with City. We're talking sacking Arne Slott. And there's a lot of humble pie going around when it comes to Arsenal as well. They've been hurting and breaking and making a lot of people cry these last few days. We want to get your views on this as fans. We're going to start here though with TalkSport and Andy Goldstein speaking about Arne Slott. A lot of people were expecting an update, a club statement, a club announcement and Slott to be on his way out of Liverpool after the beyond embarrassing defeat to PSV. We're going to delve into why that hasn't happened in a few minutes, but let's take a look at this here. I want to understand what you think and feel about it. Let's take a listen. And I've always said that when Liverpool fans and football fans were phoning me up last season going, Arne Slott, he's amazing. We're going from one to the other. Wait until next season. I've always said this. You can go around, wait until next season. It's very easy to say that. Say, wait till next season. I'm someone that thought they got the appointment perfect. I still think the appointment was correct. This has nothing to do with transitioning to the next year. This has everything to do with going away from what was working. We saw Nottingham Forest do the exact same thing. They fell out with Nuno, the owner did, but instead of sticking with the pragmatic, hard to break down, electric counterattacking football, which they've gone back to now with Sean Dyce, they went to Anfield. Liverpool made lots of changes, lots of different types of players, and it's crumbled. They need to go back to what was working, more so than just changing the manager. Now the manager might have lost the dressing room. That might be over now and they've got to make a change. But even if they change the manager, they've got to go back to what was working. It's so simple to me. I think he's being overcomplicated. Taking over an unbelievable team, I sound like a broken record, four of his players that he was handed over, if you like, are arguably in the Premier League great side of all time. And that's Mohamed Salah, Trent, Virgil, and Alisson, right? It's an argument to be had, but at least there's an argument. I wouldn't say all four were in it, but argument-wise, yes. My only pushback with that is that you're right in terms of, you said about him picking up Klopp's team, but he did manage to pick them up and win the league when Klopp, in his last season, didn't. He still inherited that. Well, Klopp didn't win the league since 2020. So that team went four seasons without winning the and actually getting over the line. And as much as City and Arsenal weren't at their best last season, Liverpool are still at a level that would have competed for any league title in any of those previous four years. Let us not forget that. A very, very, very good team. One of the top, if not the top squad, or first 11 of players in the Premier League last season, right? Arsenal, we just did that. Man City were a bit of a busted flush last season. And he inherited, he had to, of course he had to do it. And I always said, when players leave Liverpool, and he has to bring new players in, and then maybe a couple of players aren't getting on, or he's got problems, or the wrong players have come in, that's when we'll find out what kind of managers. I don't think he'll get it back. I think Liverpool with him are broken. No, I think he'll give him a bit of time. I don't, I don't. Here's the... Well, he has been given a bit of time because he hasn't been sacked since Wednesday's defeat. So he's at least got the West Ham game. A lot of the reports that came out from Liverpool yesterday, I think Luke Steele spoke and said they are backing him as of now. Results have got to change though. I still think he's going to get three or four more games. Just a gut feeling I have. But what do you think? Are you surprised he's still there now? Are you surprised that Liverpool are standing by him? I need to know. I need to understand what you think. Or do you feel that, again, has he lost the dressing room? I mean, look, there's not leaks. This is what I would say about the dressing room. A couple of days after the PSV game. There's no real leaks coming out about problems. They're not slagging off his training. There's nothing coming out about his personality. And maybe that's because Liverpool run a tight ship and the leaks aren't an issue, like at my club Manchester United, which are horrendous. Are they playing for him? That's the biggest question. Are they playing for him? Are they listening to him? If they are, then there is, of course, a train of thought that if they just go back and revert back to what they were doing last year in terms of systematic style, the approach to the game, maybe they can get this back. I also think they need some... It's going to sound a little bit like I'm creating excuses for Liverpool, but they've got to go out in January. And I know they want Semenya, but they've really got to go and get Gehy. They've got to go and get themselves a better defender than Kante, because that man's levels this year, I don't even know if that's system, that man's levels of defending, per se, have absolutely fallen off. But look, I'd love to get your views. I'd love to get your opinions on this in the comments section below. Whether it's Atleti or whether it's Real Madrid, you are out. This is not your competition. You have no difference makers whatsoever in your team. You beat PSV. Hooray. Well done. You beat PSV. Champions League, don't talk. This is a great clip. And Hossam's my brother, and I love him to bits. I love him to bits. I work with him every week, two or three times a week. Brilliant guy. I got sent this clip, and it's gone viral. And I love seeing this. I love seeing this, because we all have these moments. You know, our minds get exposed on a daily basis where we say things, then it comes back to bite us in the arse. But this one is just hilarious, because I think when it comes to the Champions League, Arsenal will probably continue to get disrespected. Arsenal will continue to be played down in that competition until they win it. The Premier League, it happens a little bit when people say, look, it's been 20 years. I've seen three or four Wenger sides crumble. We've seen our Teta sides crumble in title races. So, you know, Arsenal have this kind of stigma about them, which is until I see them win the Prem or until I see them win the Champions League, I'm always going to find a reason to say it won't happen. It can't happen, irrespective of how good they are on the football pitch. Even on CBS Wednesday night, they praised the performance. They praised the goals. They praised Rice. They praised Eze. They praised everything that our Teta did on the night, because he got it absolutely spot on in every single level. The only dampening part of the night was Trossard picking up an injury. I personally haven't seen an update on that yet. If any of you guys know how bad that is, let us know. But still on CBS, still on multiple broadcasters, it was how good do you think Arsenal are? Well, let's wait till the end of the season before we say that. And the frustrating part about that is other than Arsenal, and maybe you've heard this about other teams, and you can send me links to clips or links to articles, but it always fills with Arsenal. There is this element of like last year. This is a clip from last year, but it's funny how, because Liverpool have just been beaten by PSV, this is funny. Okay. Oh, PSV, you beat them. It's easy. It just shows you have to still be a good team. It just shows even, you know, even playing teams like PSV, who most of the big clubs now in Europe go, that should be an easy game in the Champions League. It shows when you're off it. It shows when you're not on point that all these teams can beat you because they're no slouches. They're no mugs. You know, these are not League One teams. They're not Conference League teams. These are top level European sides. And Liverpool being off it, beating 4-1 at home. You go back to last season when Arsenal smashed them. It was a demonstration of the growth of Arsenal, but it was played down. But after the Arsenal game, you still get this sort of quintessential, look, I'm not going to tell you that I think Arsenal are the best, one of the best teams in Europe, one of the best teams currently in the Champions League. Until they win it, I'm going to refrain from talking like that. And that kind of conversation I find heavily frustrating because just based on this season so far, they are one of the best teams. Now, whether they get over the line or not is a separate conversation. We don't always have to go to May. We don't always have to go to the end of the season and go, well, I'm going to hold back on any judgment about how good this team is today based on how I might feel in four or five months time. Because you might change your mind. You might change your mind. And we're just talking about the here and now. And I think we have to, it's why killing the game exists. I think we have to push back against narratives that are damaging to footballing conversations. And in terms of humble pie, Sam got served up some here. This is brilliant from Ray Parler. Arsenal fans, mate, they do wear this. Massively cringe. That's the videos I'm seeing is embarrassing. Singing North London forever like it's been their anthem for 100 years. Come on. He's got to have a go somewhere, hasn't he? On Arsenal. He's just pretty jealous that they let him go when he was a young kid. And he just don't like him anyways. See, I didn't know that. Did you? Did you know that Jamie O'Hara, not only is he Spurs because he played for them and it makes you a fan of that club. You know, he tried to be a Gooner and got rejected. I didn't know that. That for me brings a whole different dynamic. The agenda the man has. I don't even think his agenda is because he loves Spurs. It's because he really wanted Arsenal. What is that? You know, I know it's Arsenal and Tottenham, but they're a better side. Always have been. They've won more trophies. I've got more trophies than Tottenham. He makes it worse, Jamie, by what he's just said there. Oh my God, you're going to celebrate. You're going to have a good time. You're going to enjoy yourself. What do you expect him to do? Are you quiet? Yeah, I love this. And we need more of it. And I know, listen, football fans do your worst. But I've been talking about this all week and I'm going to keep pushing this because although you'll go, it's Arsenal. Stop defending Arsenal. No, I'm defending Arsenal because it's defending football. There'll be a time when, you know, I did it for Chelsea in the summer when everybody cried and moaned and b****d when they were celebrating being world champions. Leave them alone. When teams like City were winning. Now we know the 1-1-5's on. We're going to talk about the 1-1-5 in a minute. They get found guilty of cheating. We'll have a conversation. Until then, shut up moaning about what they've spent and, you know, how good their team is and the manager they've been able to bring in. They went and delivered and there's pressure that comes with spending money as you've seen with Liverpool this season. It's not as easy as people think to spend money. Don't play down people's celebrations. Don't play down people's growth. It's boring. Let's talk about the football by and large. Arsenal here handing out so much, so much humble pie. It's unbelievable. I believe it is still imminent. The 1-1-5 charges. When do we know? Nobody knows. Even the parties themselves. Nobody knows. All the headlines about this. When I got sent this clip, I was like, oh, I've heard there's loads of updates from Stephen Bawson. Let's wait. First thing you hear is no one knows when it's coming. Absolutely. It is a bit of a joke. I mean, I know no one's meant to know because that would say there's been inside information. But the fact it's been over a year since the trial is absolutely crazy. So it's expected to have been told by now. Simon thinks it's going to come out next year. I think it still could come out before Christmas. The decision has been imminent for quite some time. It's due. Right, it's due. Everybody's expecting it. I believe it is still imminent. And that's really just repeating what the parties themselves also believe. Even if it wasn't imminent, there's only a certain amount of time it can take to write up a decision. They've had a year nearly. What do you think the delay is? Hand on your heart. Try to drop your bitterness here. I know that everybody, I know a lot of everybody, everybody that's not City wants City to be guilty. And I understand why. There is a part of me, and of course I'll admit to this, part of me wants them to be guilty. And the reason part of me wants them to be guilty is because it gives me and you and everybody else a chance to take away their trophies. And I know straight away, City fans are in the comments, you can't take away our trophies. Well, even if the authorities don't take them away, fans will. If you're found guilty of all those charges, fans are never going to accept what you won in that period. They won't even accept what you've been winning since sort of 2018, 2019, 2020, when the charges came to an end. Because you've built the empire fraudulently if you're found guilty, of course. If you're innocent, I stand by what I've said. If you're innocent, I will back Man City. If it proves you're completely innocent, things aren't time barred. They don't have to leave. There isn't evidence that proves you're guilty, but they can't take it into consideration because of technical difficulty. You're actually innocent. If you've proven, based on City's words, beyond all doubt that you are unequivocally innocent, I'll back City. Of course I will. Equally, the cheating is like a few million quid. That isn't what helped build what they're doing today. And I'll go, this has had no real impact. So stop crying your eyes out. But what do you think the delay is? Let's get back to it. Why do you think there's such a delay? Is it that complex? Or is it that the QCs have got other priorities that are more important, more decisions that actually impact people's lives, like working class people's lives, and are more sort of a deep level? What do you think it is? Genuinely, what do you think it is? Because I am a little confused. If I'm going to be honest with you, I am a little confused. I don't quite get why it has taken this long to come to a conclusion. Is it a good thing for people that think they're guilty because they're going into such great forensic detail that an appeal would be hard for City? Is it a bad thing? Is it a bad thing because they've looked at it and gone, my God, they're so innocent, and they've put it to the bottom of the pile of all their work because it just isn't worth the paper it's written on from a prosecution perspective? I don't know. They're saying it's imminent. They're saying the decision is imminent. They're saying the decision is going to happen soon. But what do you think and what do you feel about it? I'd love to get your views and opinions now, 12 months or so after the trial ended. Listen, everybody, until next time, take care, goodbye, God bless, and we'll see you all again soon. Peace.