Ryan Reynolds & Taraji P. Henson | Actors on Actors - Full Conversation

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Ryan Reynolds and Taraji P. Henson sat down to chat about everything from bad auditions to social media, to their characters Deadpool and Cookie for Variety’s “Actors on Actors.”
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Okay, Hidden Figures.
What? I know it's a silly question.
It's like the one they always give you.
But what attracted you to this role?
Did it find you? Did you find it?
How did that work?
Ted Melfi, our director, our fearless leader.
We were supposed to do a project, but it didn't work out.
And then he really still wanted to work with me.
And he got this script.
And he called my manager and they sent it to me.
And I read it.
And I just remember thinking to myself,
how come we don't know?
How come I haven't heard of these women?
So I made it my mission to do the film.
I was like, absolutely.
I didn't care how much they were paying.
I just felt like it was an important piece of cinematography,
an important piece of history that was missing
and that we needed to know about.
And so then I became very grateful
that I was the one chosen to be a part of it.
And yeah, so that's what it was for me.
It was just like...
Did that give you a ton of pressure, though?
Do you feel so much pressure
because Katherine Johnson's still around?
Absolutely.
And so once I signed on to the project,
the first thing I asked was,
is she still alive and can I meet her?
And so I was able to meet her.
And she's 98 and she has all of her wits.
Her brain is very sharp.
She had board games under her sofa, under her chair.
And I mean, it was just incredible.
You know, first thing as an actor,
the first thing you look at is, you know,
how she sits, her body language.
And I just remember getting a sense of
she just seemed so regal.
And it wasn't like I'm a diva
or I'm better than you because I'm smart.
It's just, I don't know, it was just a grace about her,
if I could say it.
It's grace and I don't know, I guess that comes,
she's a genius.
I mean, she graduated high school at 14
and college at 18.
Who does that?
Definitely not me.
Not me.
And I failed math, so how did I get this movie?
I did too.
I was in remedial math, 10th grade,
when I was in 12th grade.
It was so embarrassing.
I know, I know.
It was so embarrassing.
Out there, I feel you.
I feel your pain.
Thank you, thank you.
That's where we connect.
It was so horrible.
It's like, when you're in 10th grade math
and you're in 12th grade,
they actually look at you like,
you know how to put your pants on in the morning,
though, right?
No, no, no.
Like it's a terrible, terrible,
I have one more question.
Look at you now.
Well, yeah, I showed them.
Because I made enough money to have them all killed.
No, I, one more question.
Kat, did she see the film?
She's seen the film.
What'd she think?
What is that like?
I haven't spoken to her.
I know.
I haven't spoken to her,
but they sent me a picture.
I actually posted it on my Instagram.
And the entire time, they're talking,
you know how you do these films,
and they're like, the Oscars, this.
That's fine.
I'm not taking anything away from that.
But the weight on my shoulders
was the fact that she was still alive.
And I was like, yeah, Oscars,
but we have to make Katherine proud.
Like, this is her story.
So that's all I'm concerned about, really.
Is she going to be happy?
And she saw the film,
and I heard she's very happy,
and she was very pleased with my work.
Oh, God, that's got to feel good.
Now we can talk all that other stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, but truly, yeah.
Yeah, because it's a very important story.
But what a way to close the loop for someone.
I mean, she's 98 years old.
She has this incredible piece of history
in her rearview mirror,
and she's forged the way for so many people,
and then she gets to see you perform as her
in the most beautiful film of the year.
That's got to feel really great for her.
The most beautiful thing about it
is I don't even think she ever expected any of this.
She was just going to work, doing her job.
You know, she didn't even see herself as a hero.
It was just what she did.
I will have you know,
I was the first Negro female student
at West Virginia University Graduate School.
On any given day,
I analyzed the manometer levels
for air displacement, friction, and velocity,
and compute over 10,000 calculations by hand.
So yes, they let women do some things at NASA, Mr. Johnson.
But enough about me.
What drew you to Deadpool?
That's your film.
Yeah, 11 years I was trying to get that thing going,
and it took a long, long time.
People don't know that.
They think you just, you're Ryan Reynolds.
Go in there and just say, hey, let's make this movie.
No, I was like,
I represented the death of the superhero for a while.
So, you know, after Green Lantern,
in that category, I was pretty much unhirable.
But, no, Deadpool was one of those things
that was just so specific, though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was like this weird superhero anarchy
that I loved so much,
and I loved that this guy, you know,
you infuse so much pop culture relevance to this character,
and he's just in a world where anything is possible.
You have a character that can directly address the audience
and say and do whatever he wants.
And particularly in that genre,
which is like really kind of a narrow window
for the stuff that you can get away with,
it was something that always appealed to me.
But with, like, you know,
we put together the most incredible team of people,
and they're the ones that got us up at the hump.
I mean, Tim Miller and Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick,
who wrote the screenplay,
who we'd been working on the script for seven years.
Seven years.
Seven years before it finally got,
not constantly, because the script would be very long.
And then you're busy.
People don't realize then you have to work.
Yeah, you know, it was on, it was off.
It was always likened to the worst relationship
I'd ever been in.
But finally we got the movie made, you know, and yeah.
You're gonna do a superhero landing.
Wait for it.
Superhero landing.
Yeah, that's really hard on your knees.
Totally impractical. They all do it.
Being a superhero with comedy.
Like, those are, I'm surprised.
You didn't call me. I mean.
Taraji. Speed dial.
I mean, we did a movie together nine years ago,
eight years ago.
I was only 15 then.
You were just, you were a little chick, a little girl.
No, but that had to be fun.
A superhero and comedy.
Everyone knows he's funny.
He's pretty funny.
Yeah, I mean, it was just, it's so kind of,
it was such a specific kind of tone
that so registered with me.
And it was like something that I felt,
it felt sort of like, if I may be so bold to say,
it felt like an alter ego in a weird way.
Sort of like I could kind of channel this guy.
And I loved it.
And it's the first film I've ever been a part of
that the actual filming process,
all the way through production,
through pre-production, production, post-production,
and publicity, the marketing department,
all that stuff, that was all just an extension of the film.
I think I was in the superhero suit
more in the marketing materials
than I was in the actual film.
Which is why I stole the suit at the end of production
and just took it home with me.
Are you going to frame it?
No, it's on a mannequin that terrifies my children
down in the basement, yeah.
Well, how did they take it?
How did they feel about it?
Well, I have two kids under two years old.
Well, yes, they're terrifying, Ryan.
So in a word, they took it badly.
Of course.
Yeah, seeing a rated-R, violent, swearing superhero
with head-to-toe scar makeup on,
yeah, my daughters were not into that.
Are you twins?
No, no, no, no, thank God.
Oh, God, that would be very hard on my penis.
Oh, man.
Yeah, no, it was just one at a time.
Two under two, six weeks, and almost two years.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, yeah.
And you're okay?
I'm okay, yeah.
Did you get some rest?
I'm okay.
I know it doesn't look like it,
but I'm actually sleeping right now.
You're sleeping?
Okay.
You've learned a new trick.
Yeah, blinking is just like little tiny naps to me
at this point, yeah.
No, it's great.
I love it.
I love everything about it.
It's just made me a better person, I think.
I know, being a parent, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And probably with your patience in putting a movie together,
because that's got to be hard,
trying to get people to see your vision.
Was that hard?
Because I started producing.
I produced a couple things,
and it's just so hard when you have this vision,
and you're like, I can see it, but then you've got to. . .
Yeah, but you also have to share the vision.
I had such a specific idea as to what it was,
and then to have some of these creative partners
that brought so much to the table,
Tim Miller, the director, he's a visionary,
had such a great take on it.
Rhett and Paul, the other writers,
we all sort of felt like we were playing the character.
We all sort of felt like we were taking turns
playing Deadpool while we made the movie,
and that made it a really beautiful atmosphere
to make any movie, let alone something like this.
And the budget was so minimal
that the studio really just felt like
they could leave us be.
And I joke a lot about the studio being sort of
studios not really seeing this coming
and having to spend 11 years
trying to convince them to do it,
but they were actually really instrumental
in getting the movie made the right way.
I joke a lot about that they might have been inept
or something like that, but they were actually amazing.
They understood the tone right away,
and they jumped on board in every way, so it was great.
That's another thing about people don't understand
when you have a project,
you have to find the right house for it.
You may have a brilliant script.
You may have all the pieces to the puzzle,
but in the wrong hand, it's a flop.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All the stars were aligned for you.
I'm happy for you.
How long were you attached to Hidden Figures before?
Oh, God.
I'd say, I can't remember.
It's all such a blur.
It happened really fast, actually.
Really?
I got the script earlier in the year,
and next thing you know, we're filming it.
No, you know what?
I don't even remember, but it all happened within a year.
Wow, wow.
Yeah, it all happened within a year.
Is that tough to plan?
Do you have to do an intelligent series as well?
That's got to be a nightmare.
Yes, it was very hard because this was the first time
that I was the leading role in a film
coming directly from another job.
Yeah.
And I didn't really have any time to decompose.
You know, Cookie's a lot.
Yeah.
You know, a lot.
She requires so much.
And she's very, she wears everything on her sleeve.
You know, Catherine, it was a different time for women.
You couldn't speak out.
And it was just, you carried yourself differently.
And so I'm coming from this energy,
and I have to go here.
Yeah.
And so I remember there were scenes where I could feel
Cookie trying to come out, you know.
And I was like, even the slightest lean in is wrong.
Cookie would have raised hell in back then.
Oh, Cookie probably would have been strange fruit
hanging from a tree.
Oh, man, oh, no, no, no.
Yeah.
Back then.
Yeah.
I mean, you have this, basically you have hidden figures.
There's a true story about three American heroes
who, against all odds, against Jim Crow era racism,
basically band together and help put a man into space.
Yeah.
What I love about the film is that we don't hit you
over the head with message, message, message.
What you will see is humanity.
You will see humans focused on a goal bigger than themselves,
and they all try to go for it, and they don't,
they put everything aside.
I mean, it's hard at first, because change is always hard.
But then they get to the place where it's like,
we've got to get over this, because we've got to get it,
make it happen.
I'm always so fascinated when you see a movie that has
such huge historical significance,
but we're seeing it through this incredibly intimate lens.
It's that inch that we're moving that I find so fascinating.
And this director, he just understood that.
He did.
He took great care of it.
He was very nurturing.
Very nurturing as a man.
But he's a dad, and he has a daughter.
He was very nurturing in the way he cared for the characters.
It was interesting watching actors.
I watch human behavior.
I'm always watching what people do when they say things.
Ted likes to talk with his hands,
and when he would get really delicate with,
when he would come and he would say something to me about
Catherine, his hands would always go here.
He just devolved to straight sign language by the end.
Yeah, I know, right?
But it was very tender.
I could tell when he wanted Catherine to be tender and soft.
And I just love him.
He's such a great director.
I just love what he did with the film.
I was blown away when I saw it.
I usually don't like watching myself,
because I can see myself.
I'm like, I can hear my voice.
It's like, ah!
But I literally, I was able to sit and watch myself for the first,
I wouldn't say for the first time.
It was just easier to do this time around.
And I think it was because of the hair.
Yeah, but the movie, it's such a big, big story that's so intimate.
That's why, I would imagine that when you're watching something
that is so significant historically,
when you watch it like that,
I imagine you're watching it through the lens of everybody else.
Absolutely.
As opposed to your own hypercritical self.
That's why I didn't take people.
I had to watch it with an unbiased audience.
So I took a bunch of people that had nothing to do,
and so I could really sit back.
That's the only way I can watch myself.
I have to put a baseball cap on and go into the theater,
because otherwise I'm like, ah, you're horrible.
Why did you turn your head?
Your head is huge.
But you must know that from producing,
when you see a movie for the first time that you've produced,
you've worked on with an audience how informative it is.
Right.
You suddenly are so much more forgiving of certain things.
Absolutely.
You're so much more critical of other things.
You see things like, oh no, what have I done?
Life is over.
Yeah, you have all kinds of different points of view after.
There's no protocol for women attending.
There's no protocol for men circling the earth either side.
We all get there together.
We don't get there at all.
Is it hard for you to watch yourself?
Was it hard watching you in that suit?
Well, it's not.
I think everybody experiences that to a certain degree.
You're so much more critical of yourself.
And I'm inherently self-loathing.
So I can't stand it.
I can't stand that guy up there.
But I think, again, that's the thing.
When you see it with an audience and you see how much joy they're having
and the experience and how important it was to a lot of,
particularly there's a huge fan base for comic book movies.
Oh, God, yes.
And there's particularly a very kind of stringent fan base for Deadpool
who really want to make sure that you adhere to the canon of this character.
So I got to see the movie for the first time I saw it.
We were just testing the film,
but I saw a lot of people that were into Deadpool already.
So it passed their test.
And then I sort of at that point became far more forgiving of myself.
Right.
Because, you know, you're carrying a lot on your shoulders
when people have expectations about something.
And that's always a bit of a tightrope walk.
So, yeah.
But generally, I hate it.
I have a lot of movies I haven't seen that I was in that I haven't seen.
I have movies that, you know, most of America wish they hadn't seen.
We all have a few of those skeletons.
We really do.
We won't talk about that.
So if you're home and you're browsing channel surfing
and one of your movies happens to be on,
will you continue surfing or will you stop?
That's a good question.
Sometimes I will, especially if you get so far removed from it.
You have a much more objective take on it.
Like it's years later.
Yeah, you're like, oh, I don't remember anything that happened here.
So you watch it and it's easier.
Yeah, I can do that now.
I watched our movie recently.
You were amazing in that movie.
I was?
You were amazing in that movie.
I thought that was the best cast ever.
It really was.
It really was a wild watch though.
We should have won an Oscar.
I mean, we were snubbed.
And I remember you were the first.
This is eight or nine years ago, I think.
I remember you didn't wear a stitch of makeup in that movie.
I didn't.
And that was where I learned for the first time.
I was like, wait, we're allowed to do that?
Yeah.
And since then, I was like, I get to sort of,
I sort of try to skip the makeup chair wherever I can,
unless it's prosthetic makeup.
But I said, you just like, and you looked beautiful.
Thank you.
I remember you're sitting up there with a stitch of makeup
operating this .50 caliber gun.
It's like the biggest gun I've ever seen.
It belongs on like a naval ship.
It was so much fun.
Give me your worst audition.
What's the audition that you look back on and you're like,
wow, that was just an unmitigated disaster?
Or have you never had that?
Do you always just walk out of there and go?
Nailed it.
No.
I've had a few.
There was one.
I was auditioning for a movie and it was a rom-com.
And I got this character.
She was quirky.
She was mean.
And she, there was this scene where she has to clean
the barnacles off the bottom of her boat, of a ship,
boat, whatever.
And I thought it was brilliant to go in costume.
So I had flippers.
Oh, no.
And I had the goggles.
And I also had the snorkel thingy.
And I had a wetsuit on.
And I went in and I proceeded to do my, I walk in the door
and they're like.
Oh, yeah.
You know, the flippers.
Oh, yeah.
You know, I'm like, I'm hamming it up because, you know,
it's a comedy.
100%.
Yeah.
So that didn't go well.
No.
Actually, actually, actually, it went okay.
They liked, they saw what I, I got an A for effort.
Yeah.
And they called me back in, but they said leave the props.
Leave the props.
Yeah, props are pretty much, in any audition, it's not a,
it's not a great idea.
Not a great idea.
For all those actors out there that are watching this
thinking they're going to go into an audition with props.
Although, go for it.
Maybe they'll, maybe they'll be the, they'll sort of
break the norm.
I'm a risk taker.
So I took a risk.
And I was also in a boot camp class that was being taught
by Bill Duke at the time.
And he had Denzel Washington come in.
Oh.
And talk to us.
And he said, for his auditions, you know, he's a theater
actor, which I am too.
And he said he would take a bag of tricks.
He would take the kitchen sink if it would get him the job.
So I listened to Denzel Washington.
I want everyone to imagine right now, if you will,
Denzel Washington in a wetsuit, flippers, and a snorkel.
I can actually see it.
And now I can't unsee it.
I didn't get the job.
No, absolutely.
You can't unsee it.
There it is.
Still there.
Every time I blink, quick little shots of it.
Yep.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, auditions are tough, man.
They are.
They're scary.
What was your worst?
I think pretty, most of them.
I was never a great auditioner.
Honestly, I was never a great auditioner.
But I had one where I had to sing.
And that was, and I'm a nervous singer.
I'm one of those people that, you know, when you're in the shower,
you're like, this is pretty good.
Yeah.
You know?
But once I get out into the real world, it's.
It's flat.
No, no, no.
It's just like my voice just turns into a hammer that hits
everybody in the face.
And I did an audition where I had to sing, and it was pretty bad.
It's one of those auditions that was so bad that I look back,
and I think, like, what if that tape surfaces.
Right.
At some point, and it just comes out, and that'll be the death of me.
Yeah.
That was pretty awful.
Social media wasn't popping back in the days when we had to audition.
When was your last audition?
My last audition was.
Yesterday, huh?
You can tell me.
Yeah, I know.
I'm auditioning right now.
I'm going to be an empire this season is what I'm hoping for.
Yes, please.
No, my last audition was, I auditioned and failed for the Coen Brothers.
Were you, how did you take it?
Hail Caesar.
Was it?
No, it was one before that.
Oh.
Yeah, that was my last audition.
And how did it go?
Oh, no, it was terrible.
It was okay.
It just wasn't, you know, it wasn't the right fit, unfortunately.
Mostly because they're very high class.
Is that what they told you?
Is that the excuse they gave you?
Yes.
In the room, they were just quietly shaking their heads.
What?
Like, what are you doing here?
I don't believe that.
Do you have a SAG card?
Stop it.
Or do you have the Canadian version?
Oh, no, no.
What is it that you, how did you get here?
That's what I want to ask you.
What's the difference in Canada and America, like the work?
The work.
Working, auditioning.
Canada gives actors an unfair advantage in as much as there's a lot of work there.
There's a lot of American work there.
You have to hire a certain amount of Canadian talent for these jobs.
So a lot of Canadians get breaks that they wouldn't normally get.
I started in improv comedy.
I moved down to L.A. to be an improv comic.
Wow.
But my first jobs were all just horrendous movies of the week that were shot in Vancouver
where I always played some sort of ex-dynasty star's son,
and she's suffering from alcoholism or shopping too much or some kind of weird movie of the week affliction.
Yes, I got you.
When was your last audition?
I can't even remember.
My last audition?
That's a good sign.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
My last audition, I guess, would have been for Benjamin Button.
That's the...
Oh.
I think that was the...
And that ended badly.
No, no, no, no.
That, no.
I think after that, I auditioned for Shonda Rhimes for Scandal.
I didn't...
Thank God Carrie got it.
It was her job.
Yeah, right.
I think that was the last time I auditioned.
Isn't that funny how the ones you don't get, sometimes you think, wow,
someone else got it and they ran with it and it was perfect for them and then you...
It was crazy because I'm not that actress that wants to do everything.
When I walked in, when I got it, I was like, this is Carrie Washington.
You know, you get scripts and you go, this is so...
Oh, all the time.
You know what I mean? All the time.
All the time.
That was her blessing.
Yeah.
I'm always like, this is Whoopi Goldberg.
This isn't me.
Right.
Please.
I know you look just...
I can't jump into Patrick Swayze's body and he can't jump into mine.
You and Whoopi look so much alike.
I know, right?
I know.
Yeah, it's funny.
The ones you lose and then you see the movies sometimes or you see whatever,
the stage production or anything, and you go, wow, they're perfect.
Yeah.
That person is perfect for this and I get why.
You're like, whew, glad I didn't get that one.
Yes, there's those two.
You're like, whoa, and dodged a big old bullet there.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So how has social media changed the game for you as your career grew?
I can't sort of quantify it like it's moved mountains for me.
I can only say, I've only had it for a year and a half.
And I applied it specifically for Deadpool because as soon as Deadpool was greenlit,
I got Twitter, I got Instagram, I got Facebook.
I mean, the social media game for Deadpool was such a huge part of it,
part of the marketing.
I mean, a lot of the stuff that we shot were just shot on my iPhone,
marketing materials that we shot just on my iPhone,
just sticking around at my house or on set or wherever.
So it was huge for creating a groundswell for Deadpool.
So much of the stuff had to do with viral ads.
I mean, we would do billboards that were just ridiculous,
but we'd only do one of them.
You put that image on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram,
and it's like it's as though that billboard was in every city in America.
So for me, I can't speak more highly of any kind of medium other than social media.
I mean, social media has been integral to everything that I've done with that particular film.
Has it harassed your personal life?
Like you shouldn't go to Target still?
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't tweet stuff about, you know.
I don't either.
I don't tweet.
I don't go, hey, this is me walking into the round.
I don't.
Here's me at my colonoscopy.
I'm going to be knocked out in a minute.
No, it's, yeah, it's silly.
I'm not like that either.
I do it for, you know, like I'll do a joke or for promotional stuff or anything I have going on in my life.
How does it affect your social life?
Because you're walking down the street and there's like, hey, Cookie.
And, you know, maybe I didn't want the world to see how I look today.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
I mean, maybe I wore these sweats yesterday.
That is the price of an iconic character that you played though.
See, it was fine until Cookie came.
Like, I was okay under the radar.
I was good.
I could go to Target.
Cookie's viral.
Cookie, like, goes everywhere.
And never saw that coming.
No.
And then it's like I go from just like this normal life to now I have to find a house on the private gated road.
Like, you know, it's crazy.
And I love people watching.
I love to go to the park and sit.
Everybody's watching me, so I can't.
I've tried wigs.
I've tried shades.
I mean, I've tried it all.
Yeah, there's not really.
Yeah, you're not.
I would sort of.
I recognized you from 50 yards away when I walked in here.
Just from your back muscles.
I was like, I know those back muscles.
I did a film with those back muscles.
I kept the back muscles up all these years.
But I guess they're uptown problems, right?
I mean, that's a good problem to have when you, you know, when you're in a place where you've created a character that is so permeated,
the zeitgeist and everybody and anyone and everyone loves this character.
They've forgotten my name.
Wait till Hidden Figures comes out, though.
I hope it shifts it.
But I have a feeling that the hardcore Cookie fans will be like, look at Cookie.
Look at Cookie playing a rocket scientist.
No way.
Have you seen Hidden Figures?
Have you?
You could not find a more, two completely different characters.
I played Cleopatra.
I was a Cleopatra for Halloween.
Look at Cookie.
Look at Cookie as Cleopatra.
Well, that's your fault.
That's my fault.
There's no winning with you.
You should have played Grover from Sesame Street or something.
I mean, come on, right?
We will make you better than better.
A superhero.
I'd say that you sound like an infomercial, but not a good one.
Like Slapchop, more shake weighty.
I want to ask you about Comic-Con.
Yeah.
You've been there now.
I have been there, yes.
With Deadpool.
Yes.
And so, come on.
You've been before Deadpool, and then you've gone now with this character.
Well, we introduced footage of Deadpool for the first time at Comic-Con.
That was crazy.
We showed three minutes of the movie.
And they went nuts.
They went nuts.
They started chanting, show it again, which was kind of crazy.
So we showed it again.
Which really felt pretty good.
And I'm always that pessimist.
I'm always like, don't show it again, because then they'll hate it.
They loved it the first time.
Let's just walk away.
Right.
It was like being at the Jack Black table at three in the morning.
And you're throwing one good hand down.
You're like, let's just walk away.
But yeah, that was pretty great.
And I suppose one of the craziest fan encounters I had about Deadpool
was actually three days ago.
I was on my way to Rhett Reese, who's one of the writers of Deadpool,
his wedding in Arizona, and I was coming from New York.
And I was on an airplane that had to make an emergency landing.
And it was a medical emergency for someone in the back,
who's totally fine.
I say that with the caveat that she's totally fine now.
But she was a newlywed.
They were on their way to their honeymoon,
and the poor girl got violently ill on the plane.
And they brought the plane down in Oklahoma.
But the husband, as he was walking past my seat,
he was like, Deadpool!
And he's like, high five!
And I'm sitting there going, I have a five-week-old at home.
I really don't want to high five you right now
in case your wife's stomach virus goes to me
and then I bring it to my family.
Anyway, I'm sorry.
That was one of the stranger ones.
And your wife could be dying.
Yes, I know.
I was also like, your wife's pretty sick right now.
I'm like, just keep her head down right now.
Let's be cool about this.
Because, yeah, that would not have ended well
if I were him in his position.
My wife was on a stretcher.
I know what I'm going to go as for Halloween next year.
What are you going to go as?
I'm going to go as Cookie.
Okay.
Done.
I'll go as Cookie,
and you're going as the husband on the airplane
who wanted to high five Deadpool.
Exactly.
Done.
Or the violently ill wife.
I'm going to hold you to that.
Yes, or the violently ill wife.
So Ryan, how have you managed to stay relevant?
How have I managed to stay relevant?
Yes, through my vacuous, inescapable need for attention.
No, I don't know.
Hollywood's a weird place.
I've been up and down and sideways and all around.
And, you know, it's one of those...
For instance, Deadpool's a good example.
I can't imagine the studio Fox.
They took a gamble on me
because the last time I stepped out as a superhero, it didn't work.
This one obviously was so much different than other superheroes,
but it was just so specific.
So I think that specificity is what saved me in that regard.
But, yeah, I've been up, I've been down, I've been all around.
I look at my expectations, though.
When I moved to this city in Los Angeles when I was 18 years old,
my highest achievement, my highest goal at that time
was to be on the main stage for Groundlings.
Which is a great thing to do.
Those people are insanely talented.
But the fact that I'm sitting here, I never would have guessed that.
So for me, it's sort of all good.
The ups, the downs, the all-arounds.
I think I've kept a pretty healthy perspective about it.
Yes, absolutely.
How about you?
For me, it's just work.
I never judge it.
I never go, oh, I have to be number one in this project
or this role is so small.
I just pick up a script and either I gel with it or I don't.
And I don't care about the numbers.
You know what I mean?
I don't care because if I don't, you know,
and I know a lot of young kids and they're like,
I want to be a star, I want to be a star.
They're getting ready for it.
Getting ready for that number one position.
There were times where I thought, I want to be the lead.
I should play that role.
Until I got the leading role.
And then I was like, I don't get a day off.
Yeah.
I mean, everybody's going out.
I'm still at work.
You know?
So it's like you just work, work, work,
and then you look up one day and you're sitting here.
And I never, like, I didn't chase it.
I just, I work.
I just love what I do.
And I don't know if I'll ever stop.
Maybe that's part of the recipe for it, you know?
Yeah.
I think that is part of the recipe
because if you're not precious about it all,
you're going to, you know,
these opportunities become available to you.
I mean, you played Katherine Johnson.
You get to introduce that story to the world.
I think that that's like a, when I look at things like that,
that's a privilege, you know?
Absolutely.
When I see Hidden Figures and I see Deadpool,
it's like they're the same movie.
Both heroes.
All right for the hero!
Why am I sitting here?
