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From the brutal forced killing of Chinese babies in the 1980s and 90s to live Forced organ harvesting of religious dissidents the chinese communist party has no regard for human life Stephen mosher is the author of the devil and communist china He personally witnessed some harrowing tales of forced abortion enforced under the command of the ccp I sat down with him to unpack some of the regime's worst human rights abuses. Here's a look Stephen mosher really an honor to sit down with you Well, thank you. You've written Extensively on china over the over the years Um, you were also one of the first american scholars granted access to do any type of in-depth research inside of china Talk to us about what that experience was like and what you came to understand with your own eyes Inside of communist china in the 70s. Well, I arrived in china in march of 1979 I was part of the scholarly exchange group that uh 50 That was sent to china by the united states after we normalized diplomatic relations I was the only one in that group allowed to do unsupervised research Among the chinese people themselves, you know when I went to china I had been educated at stanford university And we had a number of people at stanford university who were very very much admirers of the chinese communist party and of chairman mao We had professor john girley in the economics department writing books about how wonderful mao's economic plans were and how? The communes had greatly improved the lives of the chinese people We had uh, the former democrat candidate kamala harris's father, uh, professor harris at at stanford who was also a big believer in the success of Communist china's effort to create a new socialist man and a new socialist woman And so those were kind of the attitudes that I took with me when I went to china It didn't take very long for the chinese people to convince me that all of that was simply a fantasy created in the minds of of western um Socialist minded people really the reality on the ground was a brutal reminder of Of what communism is like in action because one of the things that happened after I arrived in china was first of all I was taken out by a new friend of mine to a little hill outside the village And he said this was the hill where when the red army came into the village They executed all of the former clan elders And the former members of the local militia Now now every village had a militia because that was the local police force to protect them from robbers and bandits They were all executed. All the guns were confiscated and The leaders of the village were executed and new leaders were appointed by the chinese communist party That was kind of a wake-up call on top of all this And we're talking about human rights violation after human rights violation tyranny after tyranny brutality after brutality The one child policy began when I was in the village the new policy was That the population of guangdong province could not be allowed to increase more than one percent in the year 1980 And so I said, well, what are you going to do? And and and the secretary of the communist party committee said it's very simple We'll do a house-to-house search of the village We'll identify all of the women who are pregnant with illegal second and third and fourth children And then we will tell them they must get abortions Communist officials would say things like you there are nine months pregnant Don't think you can simply stay in this lockup until you give birth because we will not allow you to take your baby home Should you go into labor before you give us permission to do an abortion? We will simply kill your baby at birth I went with these women as they were taken to the local medical clinic and aborted by cesarean section again some of them most of them were seven eight nine months pregnant they decided to Do two things to stop these babies from being born to stop the population of guangdong province from increasing, right? First they gave a lethal injection into the womb to kill the unborn child And then 24 to 48 hours later, they would do the cesarean section abortion And remove the now dead or dying baby But there were women who were brought in at the last minute in labor Too late to give the poison shot into the womb. So what would they do with that with those? they would take a hypodermic needle fill the syringe with alcohol or formaldehyde And wait until the baby's head was crowning babies were mostly born head first And they would inject the alcohol or formaldehyde Into the fontanelle the soft spot in the child's head and the child would die in convulsions seconds minutes later And after they were forcibly aborted they then would sterilize them They would do a tubal ligation to make sure these violators would never come back in following years Pregnant with another illegal child, so they took away the prospect of any future Babies being born and there was in the 80s and 90s and and until the one child policy ended there was an epidemic of suicide in china, which When in most countries most suicides are men elderly men In china, the suicides were mostly young women. Why were they committing suicide? they were committing suicide because The communist party had forced to be aborted a baby. They conceived in love And they couldn't get over the loss And so they ended their lives in consequence and I decided I could I would do what I could to Let america and the world know what was really happening in china. This didn't come without a cost of course and the cost was that stanford Was forced by the chinese communist party to choose between me And continuing ties with china Literally they were told That your scholarly exchange agreement with china between stanford and the ministry of education Will be ended Unless you punish steven mosher severely and punish me. They did They they sent me packing there's been Horrific revelations over the past decade in the 2000s of the allegations of forced live organ harvesting Inside of china of prisoners religious prisoners of conscience whether they be falun gong or now the uyghurs and others A lot of people's reaction to that is just simply and there's been films titled with regard to this topic hard to believe Based on what you've seen with your own eyes inside of china. Do you think that this crime? That we're speaking of is possible Oh, I I think forced organ harvesting in china is a big business Because you see they have literally a captive population of people to harvest from Many years ago looked into this whole topic in depth because it was Of a piece with the other human rights violations that I had earlier studied in china and documented And I became convinced that um falun gong first and foremost uh, but but also other political, uh prisoners of conscience and other minorities were being tissue typed when they were arrested and if they were a tissue match for a communist party official who needed A new heart or lung or liver or cornea that they would be killed for that purpose I also did research and because Uh into a procedure called ecmo, which is extracorporeal membranous oxygenation One of my sons was born prematurely and had to have this artificial heart lung machine this extracorporeal membranous oxygenation Used to allow his lungs to mature so he could live and he's quite well and healthy now. He's 30 years old But this technology Was taken to china By a particular doctor and now is used to make organ harvesting even more profitable because before the advent of this Heart lung machine procedure you could just harvest a heart. But by the time you harvested the heart the other organs would have started decaying Now what you do is you use the extracorporeal? oxygenate oxygenation to continue the blood flow To the organs while you cut off the blood flow to the brain Killing the donor But allowing you to harvest not just a heart or liver But a heart and a liver and a lungs and all the other organs as well Because it keeps the organs perfused with blood. This was the technology that came from the united states invented to save lives Which is now being used to make forced organ harvesting in china Even more profitable for the communist officials in charge I have told officials at the vatican. I have Told officials at the u.s. State department. I have testified before the british parliament on human rights abuses in china, including kinds of abuses I am absolutely convinced That forced organ harvesting began decades ago And it has gotten more common and more sophisticated Over the years and that people are being deliberately killed in china For their organs and the only thing you need to know uh To to prove that is happening Is that you can order? a heart or transplant in advance That can only happen If someone is killed For the purpose of providing you with that heart you see because everywhere else in the world You sign up and you wait Months if not years months if not years for a transplant in china You sign up and they say come on october 16th And we will have your new heart ready and waiting for you The only way that can happen is if they're killing someone in order to provide that heart for you So we need to ban uh people from going to china for organ transplants Because everyone who goes to china for an organ transplant is complicit in the death of an innocent in china