Watch CNBC's full interview with House Minority Leader Rep. Hakeem Jeffries
We just heard from House Speaker Mike Johnson about the potential for a government shutdown
happening later tonight. Joining us right now to discuss it all is House Minority Leader
Hakeem Jeffries. And sir, thank you for being with us today. I'm not sure if you heard what
Leader Johnson had to say on some of these issues, but if you didn't, I'll kind of give
it back to you. He said that this is a clean, continuing resolution that's been put forth.
It's the same thing that the Democrats voted for 13 times under Biden, that this would keep the
government open. You could continue to negotiate. And he said that this is being done for pure
politics, for Chuck Schumer's backside, I think were his exact words on this.
Would you care to respond to that, sir?
Well, that's all a lie. It's not a clean, continuing resolution. In December of last year,
Democrats and Republicans actually passed a bipartisan bill that was signed into law by
President Joe Biden and also had the blessing of then President-elect Donald Trump. That is the
actual baseline of a bipartisan agreement. What the Republicans are attempting to continue at
this point in time is a March partisan Republican spending bill that Democrats in the House of
Representatives overwhelmingly rejected because we viewed it as an attack on veterans, an attack
on child care, an attack on housing affordability and an attack on the health care of the American
people. It's not a bipartisan spending agreement. It was a Trump partisan spending agreement.
And we've been very clear as Democrats that we are ready, willing and able to try to find a
bipartisan path forward to reach a spending agreement that actually meets the needs of the
American people in terms of their health, their safety and their economic well-being, particularly
in an environment where the cost of living in this country is already too high. America is too
expensive and Republicans haven't lowered costs. Costs are increasing, but we will not support a
partisan Republican spending bill that continues to gut the health care of the American people.
He said on the health care front that there is room for negotiation with the ACA,
but he said that that deadline is not until December 31st when the existing tax benefits
would fall off. He says that that should be negotiated separately and that they won't do
it while there's a shutdown of the government. He also went on to say that this is in writing
from the Democrats, that they want health care for illegal immigrants to be part of this.
They want to gut $50 billion that was included in the big beautiful bill for rural hospitals
and that they want money there for corporate public broadcasting as part of this too.
The one big ugly bill represented the largest attack on Medicaid in American history. The
largest cut ever. Hospitals, nursing homes, community-based health clinics are closing
all across America as a result, including in rural parts of the country. That one big ugly
bill actually stole food from the mouths of hungry children and seniors and veterans,
and all of this was done so that Republicans could reward their billionaire donors with
massive tax breaks and in the process skyrocket the deficit by north of three trillion dollars.
It was entirely irresponsible. It hurts everyday Americans who we should be standing up for
in order to reward the wealthiest people amongst us. That's not an acceptable thing,
and that's the climate and the environment that we're walking into. That said, we of course
are willing to try to find that bipartisan common ground, but the urgency as it relates to the
Affordable Care Act tax credits relates to the fact that beginning tomorrow, notices are going
to go out to tens of millions of Americans, and it's going to be clear to them that their
premiums, co-pays, and deductibles are about to skyrocket thousands of dollars in additional
expense in an environment where life is already too expensive for the overwhelming majority of
the American people. Is it true that you want to restore American taxpayer benefits to illegal
immigrants? Of course not, and thank you for asking that question because this is also an
outright lie. Federal law prohibits the use of taxpayer dollars to provide medical coverage to
undocumented individuals. That's the law, and there is nothing in anything that we have proposed
that is trying to change that law. We are fighting for the health care of the American people,
fighting to deal with the Republican health care crisis, which included the largest cut to
Medicaid in American history. It includes the fact that Republicans have refused to extend
the Affordable Care Act tax credits time and time again, putting in jeopardy the health care of tens
of millions of Americans. It's the fact that Medicare is going to face a $536 billion cut
at the end of this year if Congress doesn't act because of what Republicans did in the one big
ugly bill. Our fight relates to the fact that hospitals and nursing homes and community-based
health clinics are closing. No one in America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world,
this great country of ours, should die because they can't find a bed or a room at a hospital
because their hospital has closed as a result of what has happened with this Republican health
care crisis. And on top of all of that, we see that Republicans have actually launched an assault
on medical research in the United States of America in the Republican appropriations bill
that is part of this process. Minority leader, let me just ask you, I'm going back and just
looking at this. I think the questions about illegal immigrants getting these benefits go
back to a term that's in your proposal that you've put forth that says legally present immigrants
are eligible for all of these subsidies. And there's a big question about what lawfully present
means. Does that refer to people who are here under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals
programs? I guess there's different descriptions of what people see. What does that mean to you,
would it refer to DACA? We had we had a meeting with the president of the United States yesterday
and made clear we're not trying to change current law. We are fighting to protect the health care
of the American people in rural America, in suburban America, in urban America, in small
town America, in the heartland of America, in black and brown communities all across America.
That's what we're doing. That's what this fight is about. Mike Johnson, but we have a very
positive, forward-looking, communicative relationship. But he's been making the point
that health care is an extraneous issue. No, health care is not an extraneous issue. It is
a central issue to the quality of life of the American people. We don't want to shut the
government down. That's not our approach. But Republicans control the House, the Senate and
the presidency. If the government shuts down, it's their decision to do it. But this is a
continuing resolution and it's going to happen. All these things that you want to do,
there's no way any of them are going to be negotiated by the time this happens. And
if you shut down the government, last time Democrats point out you lose FEMA, you lose troop
pay, you lose all these different things that are so important to Democrats when they're on the other
side of this. You're not going to get all these other things settled. You need to do the CR
to get the government funded and then return to this and do it in the normal course of business
for Congress. What is it that would get you to yes? And I think that you kind of danced around
the illegal. You do want to provide health care to illegal immigrants that are here right now.
That's a Republican talking point and it's shameful that you would continue. Of course not.
I just said repeatedly that it is not. And we made that clear in the Oval Office to President
Trump and to Republican leaders. We've made that clear repeatedly. It's a Republican talking point.
In fact, I'm being gentle. It's a lie. We are fighting for the health care of the American
people. And what we need to do is to address the Republican health care crisis. What do you need
by tonight? Speaker Johnson should call Republican members of Congress back from the vacation that
they're on. They were supposed to be here. We were supposed to have votes yesterday and today
so that we can actually arrive at a bipartisan agreement to keep the government funded and to do
it in a way that actually enhances the quality of life of the American people. So that would
actually be a useful first step. Do you think the government is going to shut down because it
doesn't look like there's much give on either side? Well, we're here. We're in Washington, D.C.
We look forward to having conversations throughout the day with the administration and with our
Republican counterparts to try to arrive at a bipartisan agreement. But what we're not going to
do is be part of essentially a my way or the highway approach. In other words, that Republicans
simply say our view of the country is that we're going to continue to assault the health care of
the American people. And Democrats, you should just go along with it. And our view is, no, actually,
we're not going to support a partisan Republican spending bill that continues to gut the health
care of the American people. There was some big pushback from the Progressive Caucus in
the House yesterday when Chuck Schumer floated the idea of a way around this, a way to say,
OK, we can start the Democratic shutdown, but then we could make sure we pass some bills to
allow much of the government funding to continue. How much pushback do you get from the Progressive
Caucus in the House? And what are they telling you at this point? Are they the ones who are
driving things? We had a House Democratic Caucus meeting yesterday, and we are completely
unified in defense of protecting the health care of the American people and fighting to
lower the high cost of living. Donald Trump and Republicans promised to lower costs on day one.
But costs aren't going down. They're going up. The Trump tariffs are adding thousands of dollars
in additional expense to everyday Americans. Electricity bills are going up. Housing costs
continue to go up. Grocery bills are going up. And of course, health care premiums, co-pays,
and deductibles are about to skyrocket. Millions of Americans in this country actually are going
to confront medical bankruptcy. Our view is that is not acceptable. And so I think what
Leader Schumer said yesterday at our joint press conference, he was very clear that a short-term
continuing resolution that differs in any way from what Democrats have proposed, which was
legislation that was introduced and actually secured more votes in the Senate about a week ago
than the partisan Republican proposal, that that is our starting point in terms of any conversation
as it relates to making sure we fund the government in an enlightened way that makes
sense for everyday Americans, for business, for industry, for the economy. Yesterday,
in the caucus that you're referring to, I think the shouts were heard outside the doors of hell
no. Does that tell you the resolve? Should we read into that, that there is no way you
are going to go ahead with this and we should buckle up and prepare for a long government shutdown?
We have a little over 12 hours or so before midnight. I think what would be helpful is
if Republicans and the House of Representatives actually returned for duty here in the Congress
so that if we reached an agreement, we could actually pass an agreement as opposed to
Republicans being on vacation all across the country and the world. That makes no sense to me.
It never did. And it's an indication that I think House Republicans actually are the ones
who want to shut the government down. Minority Leader, while we have you here,
I know you're busy working on keeping the government open, hopefully. But a question
here in New York, we're all very curious. Do you plan to endorse the Democratic frontrunner
at this point? I know there's been some reporting that you're in talks to do something like that.
Well, I issued a statement on Sunday, I believe it was, in connection with the decision by
Mayor Eric Adams not to seek re-election. He's someone that I've known for over 25 years. He's
had a long journey in public service. Actually, Mayor Adams and I started our careers at the same
time, him in the State Senate and myself in the State Assembly. And I respect his contributions
to the city of New York, his contributions as mayor, and of course, before that as state senator,
and perhaps even most importantly, as someone who wore the uniform to protect and serve.
I also indicated in that statement that I'm focused right now, laser-like, on avoiding a
government shutdown and making sure we address the Republican health care crisis, and that I
would have more to say about the mayor's race and the remaining candidates sometime soon.
Okay, well, come on back and hopefully we'll get a chance to talk about that as well.
We wish you luck over the next 12 hours and we can all, you know, cross our fingers.
Thank you.

