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But we have been concentrating so much on Charlie Kirk that in bringing up the incident, and you can also read about the story at wbsm.com, [Music] that um it was mentioned, but that's about it. We might talk about that during hour number three, but right now I definitely want to get into the fact that there is a sex education mandate bill on Bacon Hill and it's up for conversation tomorrow. And to tell us what it's all about is the president of the Massachusetts Family Institute. You've heard him on with me numerous times. Michael King is joining us. Michael, good afternoon. Welcome. Hi, Brian. Uh, always a pleasure to be with you. Thank and glad to have you. Um, you know, I'm glad to have you, but maybe not for um many of the reasons that that that we seem to have you on the show, you know. So, so break it down for me. I I think I have the bill numbers. House Bill 656, which I did start to read, and Senate Bill 340, I believe, or maybe it's 349. Are they companion bills? Uh, yeah, that they're looking at a bunch of these bills, uh, that have to do with education, that have to do with, uh, especially, you know, sex education, curriculum, content. Um, so there's quite a number of them. There's the hearing tomorrow. Uh and you know we we want to discuss this uh they they call it the healthy youth act the healthy youth act. Uh we call it the sex education mandate. Uh and we can get more into that big big difference in names. So um why don't you tell us why you're calling it your name? I I have no idea. I haven't talked to a lawmaker. I did reach out to a school committee person but she did not get back to me in regards to this bill. So go ahead and and tell me. Yeah. So first I'll just say that they've been trying to pass this bill for the past decade. Um and I don't even think the house uh especially has taken up a vote on it. Um so when we talk about the sex ed mandate, why we call it a mandate is because there would be a loss of local control. So if you you know of the 351 towns and cities, if you think that those towns and cities should have a right to say what is being taught for sex that that if we think that you know a town perhaps in western Mass might be a little different from a town uh you know in eastern Mass, let's say uh and you want to keep that local control. Well, if passed, this bill would remove control of health education from locally elected school committees and force the schools to use curricula aligned with the quote unquote standards of the state's comprehensive health and physical education frameworks. And when we look at the frameworks, you know, in general, these frameworks are monopolized by the kind of agenda that we see coming from organizations like Planned Parenthood who has provided so much of the what we would consider to be sex education that is not age appropriate, not medically accurate, and not evidencebased. So they might say, "Oh, this is not a mandate. You guys are, you know, you're you're misleading the public." Well, of course it's a mandate because you're providing a list to choose from that has to do with these frameworks and so you have to choose from the list. You can't, you know, say, "Hey, this is all inappropriate uh and we want to choose something for ourselves." So, in uh in saying what you just stated, you mentioned that to the best of your knowledge, it's never come up for a vote. Maybe, you know, I I don't have a high regard for Bacon Hill lawmakers when they're uh huddled together, but maybe in this particular case, they think it's a little overboard. Yeah. I mean, I think especially in the times that we live in with the with the tragic event um you know, last week with Charlie, uh you know, having a hearing on this is uh you know, could be could be described as completely tonedeaf. um you know based on the message that that you know people like Charlie had, people like MFI has uh when it comes to um you know sex education, gender ideology in our schools that are you know confusing our children um you know look what 20% of Gen Z is confused about their gender identity and that confusion is really coming from uh our schools um and of course from social media as well but you know the genderbred person the the gender unicorn being taught in preschool. I mean, goodness, why are we teaching four year olds that uh you know, they can that there's you know, 50 different genders? I mean, it's it's absolutely absurd, you know. Why not? You know, but I'm going to say why not? Because quite frankly, I think you and the Massachusetts Family Institute have have figured out something that more and more parents are getting involved with, and that is uh your your learning centers that you have popping up all over the Commonwealth. You started with just, you know, one handful, now you've got more than two handful. So I think I think you know I think that the more the more that whether it's Desi or or the lawmakers keep going in this direction the more folks you're going to get pulling their their butts and their kids out of these schools and maybe that maybe that's the best thing. I I don't know Michael I I'm so ticked you know that this stuff comes out. You couldn't be more right. You couldn't be more right. uh you know we we saw it's more than just the second handful. We at this time last year we had 15 church-based learning centers. Now there's almost 30 church-based learning centers. Um you know some of these are doing you know uh 5 days for you know less than $100 a week. I'm sorry less than $100 a month uh because there's scholarships available. There's free training for proctors and tutors that's available. Um, look, there is a public school exit going on in Massachusetts as well as across the country. And it's because of this exact subject, which is parents don't want this taught at school. They want reading, writing, and arithmetic. That's what they want. and you know, organizations like DESIE and and so many of these teachers that we're seeing in the news now over this past week that have come out and exposed themselves as as completely um you know, things that are being said against Charlie and and the message that he had are just beyond the pale and it's great uh to see many of them you know putting being put on leave for example um you know these teachers. So, yeah, I mean, we're going to I've seen some statistics that by 2030, which is only four years from now, we could see a public school exit of up to 50% up to 50% of America's students leave these government schools and choose some some other option. Well, my way of looking at it back when we were going through the crisis called pandemic, if you could get 15% I was saying out of Bay state schools at that time, 15% out of the Bay state schools, the whole funding formula is going to have to change. Not only will the funding formula have to change, but what is being taught in school will have to be changed if they want to try to get some of these kids back. So, I all the power uh to whatever happens at the meeting tomorrow, but you know how many more times it seems like every year or every two years you're coming back onto my show telling me that here we go again. Sex ed mandates. I mean, when does it stop? Yeah. No, I mean, look, uh, it was only two years ago that 4,000 students opted out of, uh, sex education just in the city of Worcester, the second largest school system in all of New England. You know, that's, uh, 16%. That's So, you talk about 15%. That's 16% of the second largest school system, K12, uh, in New England, not just in Massachusetts, opted out of their curriculum called the three Rs, rights, respect, responsibility. Um, so to see this kind of movement, I mean, there's probably over, last time I checked, over 70 different towns and cities, it's probably more now that have started some kind of opt out movement of sexed. Um, and you know, look, as we said earlier about this public school exit, you know, people, parents are reacting to this. Um, there's now 35 states, 35 out of 50 states that have some kind of education freedom and 18 of those 35 have universal school choice. Uh, and just to bring that home for your listeners, uh, if you travel north to New Hampshire, uh, there you have a universal school choice program where, uh, if you choose not to put your kids in the government schools, uh, it's $4,000 per kid that you receive that you can homeschool them, you can send a micro school, you can send them to a a private school, anything other than the public school, you can you can choose to um, you know, put your kid there. So, um, even to see this in New England is is super exciting. And I'm telling you, I mean, now we have, uh, federal school choice for the first time through the ECCA, the Educational Choice for Children Act, which passed in the big beautiful bill. Um, and so, you know, to see it on a federal level, to see it on a state level, and I'm telling you, we have we have only just begun. I know this movement started in Arizona, you know, back in 2012, somewhere around there. We've been doing education freedom now for about 12 13 years, but I'm telling you, it has only just begun. Uh you're going to see so much more education freedom. Uh and you know, this train has left the station. So when we talk about 50% of, you know, America of students leaving the government schools, you know, that sounds like a huge number, but we're just seeing uh people, parents, students uh leaving the government schools in droves. Well, it is a huge number. And um I know that you didn't start it all, but at least here in the Commonwealth, you have I mean you you took a little seed, man. You really did. And you have germinated. Uh I didn't realize you had gotten up to 30 so far. I remember um trying to hook up with the people in in Plymouth and they were expanding in in Plymouth. I guess No, absolutely. one of the problems. It's not a problem uh on your side, but I'm I'm wondering, is it the union that's trying to stop this from happening because they're reading the the writing on the wall? Is it Planned Parenthood, as you mentioned before, are the unions and Planned Parenthood getting together and saying, "Fight this way, we'll fight that way." What's going on on on that side of the street? Yeah. Well, look, I I really haven't seen any um you know, great uh success of the unions or DESIE Department of Elementary and Secondary Education um you know to really uh push back against you know to really what this is is is homeschooling and and microchooling um you know so and and plus if they do push back there's so much religious freedom. I mean, organizations like First Liberty will tell us that we've never had more religious freedom in our country than ever before because of tremendous uh decisions at the Supreme Court level. If you look at Coach Kennedy case where he prayed after the football game, you know, that was a 6-3 win um and overturned uh this this lemon law. I won't get into that, but it just it just overturned precedent. uh when we have this whole argument about church and state and religion uh that you know there's so much religious freedom now so people should be taking advantage of that and we say look there's 8,000 churches in Massachusetts every church has available and affordable space that they never use during the week they have these built-in ministry networks of volunteers that can be proctors and tutors so we're just saying to the church use your space and use your people uh to offer these kids an affordable K12 option and we're seeing more and more churches doing that. We're talking to Michael King. He is the president of the Massachusetts Family Institute. Uh the churches certainly have the the space outside of because I'm not a deeply religious person. Are you finding it difficult to get people that aren't of a religious bent to fall in line with what you're trying to do? No, not at all. Because if you look at the trend of homeschooling, I mean, if you look at the the homeschool pioneers back in the 80s, let's say, you know, that that was your very religious uh, you know, demographic. But now, when you look at studies that say, why do you want to leave the government school, you know, the top one or two are safety and morality? I mean, and of course, you know, the academic standards have fallen off a cliff. I mean, if you looked I was looking at an article the other day that said TW like basically uh 20% of black students and 20% of Hispanic students in the Boston schools can read once they get to third grade. Okay. Uh so 80% of those demographics wait until they get to third grade. Yeah. 80% of the of those demographics cannot read in the third grade. that is an absolute failure of these government schools uh when it comes to just simple reading and I mean I haven't even got into the mathematics or you know other basic subjects. So look I mean academic standards you know that's not a religious issue. A lot of parents are just saying look I I can do so much better uh you know at a church-based learning center. And we're already seeing that. I mean this has been going on for four years. We're seeing we're seeing so many IEPs being dropped because because kids are just getting the attention and they're in they're in a learning environment that is so healthy and like if you're volunteering to be there there at that church-based learning center you have this you know missionoriented your heart is in it and I'm not saying that you know for all the teachers out there their heart's not in it. I'm just saying when you volunteer for this kind of thing to see the environments that these churches are providing for these kids to learn, it's not surprising that these kids are dropping their IEPs. So, let's um Yeah, I I would agree with you on that. Let us um go back to tomorrow. Is it? Yeah, tomorrow up at the state house. What time are people getting together? I know if you wanted to speak, you had to sign up by Friday. Does that mean you can't go to the meeting tomorrow? at least give some kind of support. Well, if you want to speak in person, you can still go and sign up tomorrow. Um, you know, so I would encourage people to still head up to the state house uh and and do that. Um, but for those, you know, I think the deadline was last Friday at 1:00 if you wanted to, you know, come and and speak online as well. So, we expect a good amount of people to to be speaking. We've had a great response to it. Um, you know, and like I said, the House has has never taken this up for a vote and and um obviously we hope they they don't. Um, you you never know. Uh, it seems like, you know, Dasty would uh have learned a lesson and say, "Look, people really uh don't want this kind of curriculum in the school, but u they do." Yeah, exactly. So, let me ask this question. How much money is involved? Oh, man. I mean, I don't I don't even know what the numbers are, but uh you know, millions. I mean, yeah, tens of millions, I'm sure, uh that are that are going into, you know, these kinds of curriculum. For sure. Well, not only the I'm I I guess what I was my fault for not being more precise here. I I'm talking about the Planned Parenthoods and the unions. Are they putting money in to try to see this thing get passed by Beacon Hill lawmakers? Well, look, I mean, I think if you look at Planned Parenthood, you you couldn't you couldn't foresee or envision a greater marketing plan than to be allowed access into every single K12 school in Massachusetts and I'm sure, you know, many many states across the nation where, you know, you pass something like the sexed mandate and all of a sudden you've not only been allowed access to these young minds, but now you've you've been allowed uh to monopolize uh that access. I mean, it's it's just beyond the pale what what they're doing. So So are are you going tomorrow? Yeah. No, I'll be I'll be at the uh event and u several people from our staff will be there as well speaking uh in support of um uh you know students and parents uh that don't want to see uh this kind of curriculum in the school. So what are you going to say? Do you are you um going to be one of the speakers? Yeah. And I mean, we'll talk about, like I said, the loss of local control uh for this, but we'll also talk about just the graphic sexual content that you and I have spoken about in the past and so many parents have have come out and uh exposed. And then, yeah, I mean, just less transparency, uh, you know, regarding this, uh, we have this new, I mean, I don't even know if they if they were to pass this, I don't even know if it would necessarily be constitutional, uh, now that we had the Supreme Court case only 6 months ago, Mamu v. which only empowers parental rights when it comes to opting out of now anything that gets in the way of parents uh and their religious upbringing of their children. Um so before we would have an issue you know we would have had an issue of opting out let's say of a you know LGBTQ book being read let's say during English class. Um, and now the Supreme Court case gives incredible clarity and precedent to saying anything that gets in the way. Anything that restricts their constitutional right to determine the moral upbringing of their children can be opted out of. Well, I mean certainly you can opt out, but I think as we spoke earlier, opt out of the system that that way you don't have to worry, you know, look, this might be good for some kids, not my kids, but it might be good for some. So, let let them do it over there. Let me get my kids where I want them to go. That's right. And and to your listeners, um you know, we always try to provide an easy way for you guys to access this information. So, um if you're listening, uh please text the word safe, uh like keep our kids safe to our short code 87891. Text the word safe to 87891. Uh you'll get information on an updated opt out form. You'll get information on the mom who would be Taylor Supreme Court case which will help you understand all your parental rights. And then to your point, Brian, uh you'll also receive information on these church-based learning centers and alternative education, alternative alternative affordable K12 education uh that we are helping to create all across uh the state. Yes, you are. No if ends or buts about it. Michael King, thank you so much for coming on today. I really appreciate it. Uh, good luck tomorrow. We'll follow up. Sounds great. All right, Michael King, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute, joining us on the program today. Let's take one more before we go to the break. Hello. Hey, Brian. How you doing? And good afternoon to your guest. Uh, he's gone, but thank you. What's that? The guest is gone now, but thank you. He's gone. Well, my the point I want to make, Brian, is this is to do away that some of these politicians and some of these groups, whether it's Planned Parenthood or others, want to take away parental rights, whether it's a a child, a minor having abortions or gender realignment. And uh in our own public school, November High School, there's going to be a medical clinic there so they can receive under the guise of uh receiving medical attention. And uh how many abortions are going to be performed because some of these kids are or should I say young ladies are being told not to have a baby? Uh whatever it may be, whatever situation or I don't know and I certainly hope that's not happening over at the high school. Well, we have a medical we have a a medical clinic in the school. Yeah, I know. I may I do know that. I I know I know it's coming. Look into it, Brian. No, I said I know it's coming. I'm just hoping that um there aren't going to be any type of medical procedures like an abortion over at these children whether unbeknownst to their parents and they're going to find out later on that the daughter had or the son had a realignment or the daughter had an abortion. But this is what it is. The power brokers and the machine wants to do away with parental rights and the public schools. We know this and we discussed this many times before. It's no longer about educating your kids. It's about ideology and indoctrination. And I mean just in our own public schools, I mean Melissa cost a school committee member said it cost us $264 million just this year. They're going to do better public schools and the kids are now learning. They're learning very little. I bet the mayor would disagree with you on what they're learning. But I understand where you're coming from. I mean, the mayor's left. He's he's has communist leanings and I'm just saying is we're paying too much for uh the the kids to go to school. I agree with your guest. Give them a voucher and put the kids where you feel they're going to get the most better education cuz it's not being done in the public schools. Whether it's the teachers union or the coalition for social injustice, they call themselves social justice pedalling Marxism and the police and the teachers union that's in bed with a Marxist and they're trying to promote the ideology. Imagine in prek, I mean putting whatever a condom on a on a cucumber, whatever they do. It's stupidity. I hope they're not doing that in prek, but I know they're doing it in high school. All right. Well, that's what they want. They want to do it prek all the way up. Okay. I appreciate it. All right, Brian. Thank you. Wow. I've talked about it's pickle. Might be a cucumber, but a cucumber is a pickle, I guess, isn't it? 508996500. A lot to digest that quote from Thomas Soul. He uh he he made that quote 20 years ago at least. 508996500. And I'm thinking back to the conversation that I just had with with Michael King and we're talking about the sex education mandate that Beacon Hill lawmakers haven't voted on before. But my guess is whether it's Planned Parenthood or the union or Desi, whomever, they keep bringing it forward because you know they get paid. Okay. Number one, they get paid. Whether you're in the union as a teacher or a union leader, you're getting paid. If you're Planned Parenthood, you're getting paid. If you're Desi, our tax dollars are paying you. So, they're going to keep pushing and pushing and pushing. I I'm happy that Bacon Hill lawmakers haven't taken up the cause and I hope that they don't. But you know what? Part of the problem is we have the same people, whether it's the Bacon Hill lawmakers, the same teachers. And when I say the same teachers, look, I know they're good teachers. I had some good teachers when I was a student and I'm sure my kids had some good teachers when they were students. But if you have a system that it's called tenure that lets you hang on and hang on no matter what, unless you commit some type of crime, then we're in trouble. We have we have elected officials who are the same way. You know, they've been in office 10, 12, 14, 20, some 30 years. We keep change happens every single second of every day. Happens to you. Happens to me. Happens to the, as they would say, the man on the moon. If that is happening, then why don't our lawmakers change more often? Now, going to go back to something that Michael King mentioned that he brought up, but it really didn't get that much play. I'll raise my hand. I was thinking more about the sex head, but this is if if this were to pass, it would take more power away from school committees. And so I I started to think and I was going to ask Michael King after I already let him go, how much power does the school committee really have right now. If you just look at the the city of New Bedford, Andrew Oir was appointed to the school committee and this is his I believe first full year if I'm correct on that. Maybe the second the beginning it's the beginning of the second year. Well, what else does the school committee do? They vote on a budget. But what else does your school committee do? How much say do they have over the curriculum or are they just rubber stamping whatever comes down from Desessie? There was a time that the school committee school committees had more say in not only that but in disciplinary action and and and other things. The superintendent uh of course uh is instrumental in in in these things. But now the state is being bolder. The Education Reform Act of 1993, which I vehemently opposed back then, has been with us now more than 30 years. and school committee members have lost more and more be before the Ed Reform Act. School committees had more sway, more power since the Education Reform Act of 1993. They have lost considerable power and so Michael King is correct. um loss of local control when it comes to the sex education curriculum that DESIE will be responsible for. But in my mind, it's already gotten out of control. Yeah, we can we can vote new members to the school committee and we are wise to do so. But the major problem is they really except for the budget and selecting a a superintendent after a screening field has already said, "Okay, you can choose between these three, four or five people." That's not really them selecting So I thankfully the Mass Family Institute, they're not the only ones. The the Homeschool Legal Defense Fund and many other uh private organizations, I don't mean private schools, but private organizations. They have been instrumental in getting kids to learn outside of the government school umbrella. And as Michael said, you know, one of the major reasons people don't opt for homeschooling or private schooling or these micro schools is the amount of money that it could cost. Michael King just stated, you know, they've got it to where yeah, you're looking at about $100 a month. That's less than the electricity bill. and you're getting the education that you want your child children to have. Now, I'm sure it's 100 per per student. So, if you've got three or four and now you might be looking, you know, they you'd probably get a deal if you've got three or or or more. But it's a great way to start and it's a it's a wakeup call because if you've got 95% of anything then you pretty much have a lock in this particular case on education and you know and I know the problems of that. We we've seen it. We we're experiencing it. We saw what happened to the kids during the crisis called pandemic. So now now you're able to make that uh that change and it's an affordable change that you indeed can make. 5089960500. Thank you. Hello. You there? Let me try again. You there? Okay. Well then we'll say no to that. Try it like this. Okay, I try back cuz you you didn't come through that time. 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Call Lowcost Airlines right now. 8002216085 8002216085 8002216085. That's 8002216085. our own school. You know, I threw that in there because um obviously Malcolm X at that particular time was talking about schools for blacks as opposed to schools for whites. But you can break that down uh not only through racial lines. this nation for the longest time we we had numerous schools that were male female boy girl and I don't know I girls used to say well we learn better boys used to say we have less distractions if you are non-religious there are options out there for the person that's non-religious. I don't know why we don't explore more options. I It's an easy crutch time and again to just send kids on, you know, put them on the bus, let them go off, mom and or dad goes to work, they come home, they take the kid off the bus, could be 3:00, 4 in the afternoon. They got him on the bus around 7:30. Now, mom and dad, you do get the kids for the weekend, but all that time that your child is in school, is it are they really learning what it is that you want them to learn? I'm going to take it to another step. I always get a a real charge how a homeschooled person spends about 3 hours per day in education and the kid that goes off to school, never mind the ride on the bus or the ride back. They're in that facility for seven hours and then they get homework where the homesoo kid, you know, you're home, you can say there's a little work to do, but it's not necessarily called homework. And time and again, pound-for-pound, that homeschooled student, that virtually learned student does so much better than the kid that's spending six, seven, eight hours at school. All right, let's continue. Let's hear from you. Hello. Hey, in regards to Charlie Kurt, right? Uh, this is my observation. people who have never heard him speak, have never seen or heard a speech from him applaud his his assassination and uh saying that they happy that something happened to him. But now wait a minute, where are you getting where are you getting that from? Uh from my personal observation, your personal observation is that people who haven't heard him are applauding it. If they haven't heard of him, why would they be applauding? That's that's what I'm saying. and they have never heard a speech from him. So, how do you know if they're they're the ones that are applauding? Uh be because uh I hear it and I see it in my surroundings and in the news. I mean, they What are they telling you that they'd never heard of Charlie Kirk and they're applauding? No, no, that that part I'm telling you from my personal experience. Okay. So that what I'm getting at is if if you don't know that they have never heard and or are the applauders, how how can you make that assumption? Because I just told you in my surroundings I've I I experienced it. You've exper I maybe I'm getting a contradiction and maybe it's me. Are you hearing from people who have not heard from Charlie Kirk who are applauding Yes, this is what I'm trying to tell you. I'm not making this observation from something that I read, but I do see that uh a lot of school teachers are being suspended. Uh but that but that's not my my point. My point was that I also see people who never heard or seen a speech from him, know nothing about him, but they're crying. They're sad. Well, maybe they're sad because maybe they're sad because somebody has been senselessly killed. Yes, that's that's a possible explanation. But there's something there's something happening here. And in my opinion, I think people have to take a stand. You know, where do you stand on this stuff, all this craziness that that's going on? Uh and I I think that's the message here. You have to take a stand somewhere. Uh because uh as an individual, you know, uh you had a teacher, I believe in Rhode Island, that said that the uh killing was justified. Really? I won't if I had kids in school, uh I wouldn't want them in her class. Yeah, I I hear you, man. That that that would be my move, too. Thank you. And I say thank you only because I'm up against the clock. I wonder if that guy, I think his name is Pastor Howard John Wesley, I wonder if he heard any Charlie Kirk speeches. H I'm thinking back to the previous caller who has heard people going to have to take him at face value. He's heard people who have not heard Charlie Kirk more or less cheering that Charlie Kirk is dead. And then the opposite side 180° difference. People who had not have heard of Charlie Kirk and being really sad about it. But that one I can sit here and say, well, yeah, they're sad because they've heard that somebody was was shot and killed. And especially if they're a youth, they're hearing about school shootings or and certainly hope that they haven't witnessed one. I can get that part. But if you've never heard Charlie Kirk speak and you are cheering on the fact that he's been killed, I mean that says more about that particular person, where do they get it? Where did they where did they learn how to have that type of hate? Was that something that was learned in the classroom at school? So that's something that was learned at home. I I really don't know.