Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois 2 ｜ The Debate

Do you believe he quit against Yusuke in the first fight? There are arguments and there are a lot of people out there who think that Fury won one if not two of them fights. So there's no dispute about our man's last three fights. If he is to shock the world, and it would be a shock, I'm telling you now Tyson Fury will be on Sunday morning screaming his name. This is the debate. Four opinions, two teams. Each round a question is thrown down and there's no time to think. It's a low blow. Our guests draw a fighter at random and must defend them, regardless of their personal opinion. Please, please. The pressure's real. The clock is ticking. This one's guaranteed to catch fire. Let us know who you thought won in the comments below. July 19, two heavyweights clash once again. Oleksandr Usyk versus Daniel Dubois for all the marbles live on The Zone pay-per-view. Right, team mate, Karl Frampton. How are you, mate? I'm good. It's my shoes too. You pick on someone your own size, lad. Jesus Christ. Tony Bellew, Sonny K. What's going on, champ? Let's get to work. We know the drill. Why does your fighter have more to prove in the rematch? I'll be deadly honest. I don't think this man's got anything to prove. Is he going to be a risk? That's not the question. That's not the question, is it? Alright, as he's still got it, can he still compete at the highest level? Eventually, we hear the saying all the time, father time waits for no man. How many more times can he keep churning out performances, especially against a man who's on the form of him? He's got to prove. I don't believe this, by the way, but I know a lot of fans, and I get stopped all the time, about that shot. Is it low? Is it? He's got to prove that he can take whatever Daniel Dubois throws at him and basically get rid of him again. Is he taking me on? No, that's what he's got to prove. As for this man... You're not going to go into this fight. Remember your mate, Rocky, when he puts the elbows out and he's letting whoever hit him to the body, just to prove he can take a body shot. For Daniel Dubois, Daniel Dubois has got a lot of demons to revisit, and he's going to revisit them in this fight. I think he's in a different place mentally now than he was before the first fight. I don't want to say he's grown up and mature, because I think he's the same fighter as he was, it's just his mental approach is going to have to be different. So let's be honest, the question that was given to us, it's all about Daniel Dubois. Alexander Uso cannot be questioned in any way, shape or form, whether it's going to your backyard, whether it's, can he do this? He's ticked every box he's ever came across. Our man here, Daniel Dubois, hasn't, but of recent has. So we've seen him do the wrong things in the past. We've seen him take a knee, whatever, have you? But the best way to explain Daniel Dubois is, he's a 27-year-old veteran. He's experienced everything that boxing can throw at him. He's been dropped, he's been down, he's been stopped, and he's found a way back. And he's now on the back of his biggest ever victories. He's on his best ever run. You know, the victory over AJ was something else. I'm going to make the case for our man here, what he has to prove, and I think that, obviously there was a lot of debate around the last shot. There's been talk of going way back to the amateur days, that Usyk doesn't like him to the belly. That's a bit of... The theory coming out from Team Usyk was that the shot was an illegal shot, below the belt. What's your thoughts on, do you believe it was illegal? I do. I thought it was illegal or legal? I thought it was illegal. It's called a protector for a reason. It's the protector. It's illegal. Yeah. It's below the navel. It's a low blow. The navel sits on your belly. What's your thoughts, Karl? I thought it was all right. Did you? Yeah, but I'm back on my man, so... No, no, no. We've all got to go on. We've all got to accept this right now. Was it good for you? It wasn't a good shot for me. It's called a protector for a reason. Simple as that. Only that it's called a protector. He hit the target. People love them high, don't they? They do, mate. They do. And I've seen it before. But do you think that was high? I didn't think it was high. It's very rarely high, if I'm being totally honest. Essentially, he lost every round, our man, in the first fight. And the only glimpse of hope that he had was that low blow, which I think was a low blow. So, yes, he's coming into this. He's got everything to prove. And also, he's got a lot to prove because everyone's so high on him now. No one's ever been this high on Danny Dubois after he's been pretty good. He's better for the experience. Pretty good wins. And he's coming in this, the main man. So a lot of people are expecting him to win. So there's a lot of pressure on his shoulders. Does anyone give him a chance after six rounds? For me, I think Daniel Dubois' big chance here is the face six. He carries his power late, though. He does, but... Slows down a bit, doesn't he? It's not that he slows down. It's up here with me. Well, yeah, you're right. It's all the problems with all of it. Because I think as a fighting specimen, as an athletic specimen, Dubois is a machine. Why does your fight end this fight in a KO? That doesn't help, does it? Shut down. Newfound belief, power. He carries power late. Too strong. He's a unit. I just feel this man's getting older. He knows he can hurt Usyk as well. Whether you agree with the shot was low or not low. See, Karl thinks the shot was okay. I think it was okay. But if Karl was on the receiving end of that, it definitely wasn't okay. Receiving his shot. He's rolling around the game a couple of minutes himself. You're right, but... I think that he knows that he... Although Usyk was winning the fight and in control, and the way it ended, we weren't happy, and there was questions raised about Daniel again, he's definitely a better fighter now than he was then, but he has something in there. In his head, he's thinking, I can get this guy, I can hurt him to the body. I think Daniel, like me, believes that that shot was fine, and he'll go, I'm just going to target the body. Possibly, but if he did believe that shot was fine, there's a reason why didn't he go right back at it? And not on being redundant, necessarily. Who's the biggest puncher? Because he had a five-minute rest. Who's the biggest puncher in the heavyweight division? With one shot? Probably between Dubois and Zhang. Zhang? With one shot, Deontay Wilder. But you'd put him in the argument? With one shot, no one hits harder than Deontay Wilder. But that was five years ago. I agree with you, but if you was to put these guys on a machine, I'm telling you now, he's a freak, Deontay Wilder. But he's in the argument? Yes, absolutely. But our man essentially has knocked him out. He kept him down. I know it wasn't a clean knockout as such, but he took a ten count, he put him down with a jab, so our man is full of confidence in knocking Danny Dubois out this time. And also, I think he, having seen his last fight against AJ, how he come in all guns blazing, I think if he does that this time, he is going to blow himself out completely, and I think that's going to be Usyk's reign from the sort of fifth round onwards, and I think he's probably going to stop him again. This man's now shown that size is irrelevant. He's proven it. You can be as big as you want, be as heavy as you want, I'm still going to beat you. He's the first... Look at the face, David. He's looking old now. He looks old, doesn't he? He's looking old. This man is the first... I hope you don't watch this. This fella is the first guy in the heavyweight division who has ever eradicated size. No one has ever been able to do it. David Haye done it. Rocky Marciano? He was not a huge heavyweight. No, he wasn't. Mark Tyson just fought the other day as well. Yeah, but this guy is... This guy's beaten the big man at their own game, no one's ever done it before in the heavyweight division. It's like, Ivan the Holyfield tried it, just wasn't big enough, wasn't good enough to beat the likes of Lennox Lewis. You couldn't outman them. This guy went in against one of the biggest heavyweights in the history of the game in Tyson Fury and dominated them twice. Second time was closer than the first, I agree, but he's still done it in the same manner, against all odds in a way that no one could foresee. If he can push Tyson Fury back the way he did, he can push anyone back. Where does he go next? Well, he'll be undisputed champion of the heavyweight division. I'd imagine there'll be some sort of rematch clause in there, so Usyk would want it again. I don't think he'd be able to let it lie if he lost this fight, Usyk, but... Straight away, I'm just saying Joseph Parker. Yeah, if you're Danny Dubois, you owe Joseph Parker a fight, you really do. The world owes Joseph Parker. The whole heavyweight division owes Joseph Parker, so I'll just say that straight away now. He gets his arm raised and he sells off into the sunset. I think if this guy wins, he's literally done it all. He'll be... Would you want Joseph Parker's name on your ledger, though? I mean, maybe. He's the last one, isn't he? Maybe Parker's the only one, but... I know on him he probably will, but if I was him, what he's done at Cruiserweight, what he's done at heavyweight, he's cleaned out all the top guys, minus Joe Parker, because he hasn't had the opportunity yet. Now, I love Big Joe, but you would have to favour Usyk in a fight against Joe. But for me, if I'm Usyk, am I going to be like, this game, I hated this game. I'd have groked. I've done it. I've completed it. I've done it. He loves it. Yeah, do you know what? I might be making a U-turn now. I might be saying, Parker, then retire. Yeah. Parker, then retire. Then you've beaten basically everyone. I interviewed him. He asked me to interview him, so I interviewed him on the O2, on the big circle thing in the London Eye. And he basically told me... I think so. I don't know what I mean. Taking the **** off, lad. So I interviewed him on the London Eye, and he basically said to me, he asked me a couple of questions. I asked him first, what's left? He had two more fights. Then he asked me, how's retirement? What's it like? That tells me it's in his mind. He knows it's coming. I mean, he... He was talking about what? He was talking about Alex Pereira when you interviewed him. Yeah. But obviously, he lost him. And Jair Apatow as well, but he said, he now understands he can't never go back to Cruiserweight. There was talk about him won the Cruiser, wasn't there? There was a bit of... There was conversation about that. He said that to me in an interview before he fought Tyson Fury for the first time. He wants to go back down and reign again. But he now understands there's no way his body could do it. I'll tell you what, though. If he was to win... If he's to win, wow. He's got... He's still got years. He's got years. He's got another 10 years left on him. I've got a problem with old Edward Hearn thinking AJ can just come straight in and fight Stanley Dubar again. That's not fair, is it? It's not that it's not fair, but it's the biggest fight for him. Marketable, market-wise, it's the biggest... Yeah, but they aren't married. It's so not fair. Sonny, I agree. I agree it's not fair, but life's not fair. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, you know, if the Champions League could go tomorrow, right, we've got two teams. Real Madrid's going to be there every single time. It's going to be a different name to go with them, but it's going to be Real Madrid. And like, I'm sorry to say, Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury, is that name with them? Real Madrid and Liverpool, Tony? Oh, I don't know about that. That's a question, right? Barcelona. If we're all under the impression that Tyson Fury ain't done, Yeah. if Dubois wins, is he bang interested in that? Oh, he's back. Fury's back. If Dubois is to win, and like I say, I'm not writing Dubois off because I will never write Daniel Dubois off fully because he has a punch-his-chance against anybody. So you can't write him off. If he is to shock the world, and it would be a shock, then I'm telling you, now Tyson Fury will be on Sunday morning screaming his name from the rooftops.