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歡迎又來到308高地 每個禮拜四晚上七點半 我們在這裡關心著我們的臺灣 不管是從地緣政治 區域安全 軍事外交 一起來討論現在正在發生的事情 那我們上禮拜邀請了Uncle Tover跟Tony 來做漢光41號的一些分享討論 那他們也提供一些寶貴的建議 那我們這禮拜繼續邀請他們 Uncle Tover跟Tony Hu 一起來討論 那他們兩位一位是美國國防部之前的官員 負責臺灣跟第一島鏈的事務 也在AIT工作過 更擔任過雷神公司臺灣的總經理 那另外Uncle Tover是美國的軍人退伍 他曾經在伊拉克擔任勤務 現在住在高雄 那透過他們的視角 來看看我們漢光41號 有棒的部分 那也有不足的部分 那他們也都一直肯定 從漢光41號裡面看到我們軍人 不管是後備軍人或者是現役軍人 那樣展現出來的戰績跟所有的表現 他們非常的印象深刻 那我們今天會繼續討論相關的話題 那另外在我們的節目裡面 所有的Donate非常感謝你們 我們都會用於來協助我們國軍弟兄姊妹 在執行勤務任務的時候 發生了意外 我們會把所有的經費用在那上面 那跟我們同步聯播的 有小君的Taiwan Plus 還有靜天電視臺 謝謝他們 我們一起聯播 一起關心 那如果還沒有訂閱的 請記著訂閱王定宇在308高地 訂閱 按讚 分享 開啟小鈴鐺 Until 9th 7月8號 Just got older All in sudden Sailing toward To participate in the determination Military exercise in Australia And this carrier arrived at sea I think it's 10th It's on 10th in July So Hanguang 41 Is happening in this time One day later Let's assume PLA launch invasion toward Taiwan United States going to deploy forward And this military exercise Coincidentally occurred in Australia and Japan And so many allied nations 19 countries Participate in that military exercise Is that a coincidence Or it's one theater Multi-terrain military exercise At the same time I think it has several purposes Of course I think Talisman Sabre exercise Objective for Australia Is still counter China Remember in March China sent a Navy task force Circumnavigated Australia And did a live fire test That's this year This year February February, March Live fire outside of Australia Right It was a show of force against Australia Of course this exercise was already planned But I believe Australia want to also demonstrate That China cannot come into my backyard And do this So US says I think it's George Washington Plus US says America America is a F-35B They call lightning carrier So it's deployed from Cecebo also Are down there Plus the amazing thing is The British Prince of Wales Carrier strike group is also there It went all the way from England Through Strait of Malacca And joined this exercise Because England United Kingdom also want to show Their interest in the peace and stability Of this region So what Australia is trying to do For United States I believe Is help us coalition building Nineteen countries So if you look at the scenario It's also a multi-domain exercise And it's got 35,000 people 300 aircraft Aircraft yes Historical high It's tremendous It's never been that many people That many ships That many airplanes In that many locations So And that disperses Yeah So dozens of islands Exactly So I believe Once again the scenario is Peace and stability in the region Okay But truly there's only China That's destabilizing this region So they don't want to say out loud But it's against China And it all fits in It all fits in to The Hong Kong exercise purpose And another big exercise The refuel pack Resolute force specific We are sending troops and mobilizing There's no war fighting element In refuel pack It's a forward deployment And theater dispersal The forces that's already In Asia Pacific disperse Yeah disperse And the forces back in United States Forward deploy To the second island chain Ready to It's a follow on force deployment Change the destination For Lincoln carrier Oh that's from the Middle East Came over From East You're right In the immediate order Sailing to Australia I can provide some pieces Not evidence Some incidents First this February When we try to set up our scenario About our Hanguang-41 Bajeron, general Bajeron From J5 Indo-Pacific Participate in our Commander level meeting Yeah command post Yeah and he's the one In charge of the policy Alliance cooperation And incident two During this military exercise Taiwan Hanguang-41 And Australia, Japan United States Those 19 countries Resolution Pacific military exercise During that moment Australia ambassador in UN He was former prime minister of Australia Rude He made a speech in UN Say once China Occupy Taiwan Going to release Chinese military capacity Toward Pacific Ocean He made a speech Almost at the same day And when Taiwan We are practicing our Hanguang military exercise These 19 countries And American troops Dispersing so many islands All over Asia Just near Taiwan So based on those Incidents I provide Just like our viewers Guess themselves If that coincidence Or it's a military exercise Cross multi allies Multi dominance I think we have answer on our own Yeah absolutely I think the audience should leave a comment Yeah yeah You are a YouTuber Yeah yeah If you think this is just a coincidence Or if it's a message to the CCP And if you want to leave message Look at the map Yeah You will see what's going on here Yeah because report pack Only have one purpose Which is for the poor US forces To the Asia Pacific And there's only one country We worry about in Asia Pacific That's China So it almost goes without saying That's the purpose Goes without saying But in the past We all know in the past It's classified It can be seen It's invisible But from last year to this year All these military engagement Between Taiwan and United States Among Taiwan and those democracy allies Yeah It's visible In the Philippines Australia Japan So it's a big picture here So what's your explanation About Indo-Pacific Indo-Pacific They make decision about This first island chain This Indo-Pacific region Will become one single theater Yeah To Indo-Pacific What's the meaning I think Japanese started talking about that You know Because after all Let's just be clear There's one common enemy Right For Japan Taiwan Philippines Even Australia Now that China has circumnavigated And did a live fire at its front door So it's pretty clear China is the one And if that's the case No matter where China makes trouble In the East Sea In Taiwan Strait In South Sea In the Philippine Sea Wherever All the allies should come together Yeah And respond And I would like to ask a technical question to Topher Okay If Taiwan try to get involved Or connect with security chain Security network Right And C4ISR The communication The information sharing We need to share with each other What would be the difficulties Language or equipments Because to United States US soldiers You communicate so fluently Link 16 Or all kind of satellite Connect with individual soldiers All these equipments connect each other If Taiwan want to melt into some system Right What are the difficulties We need to work on that I think any equipment challenges Something like that would have challenges Across the board I think that equipment and software challenges Would probably be significant But resolved quickly I think the language challenges Especially when it comes to slang And lingo Right You know like every job has its own terminology Its own lingo And that's true for intelligence operators And the military command and control I mean even the difference between the navy And the air force and the army It has totally different terms So I think that type of small miscommunications Might prove to be a little bit more of a challenge Than people will anticipate So you are an English teacher right You were I have been So maybe we need an English teacher To teach this kind of terminology There are courses that Taiwan send students to We have ECL test But also once you get there Usually as Taiwan students learn about a weapon system They will learn about technical terms for that system Just like Taiwan's pilot Technical term I think it's not too difficult to Taiwan students Slang Military terms Because when you got radio It got no room, no time for you to comprehend that A lot of this is slang That is incomprehensible to a civilian Give us some example And the best example is Even Tony cannot understand Oh I don't know There's one Tony We are from the air force I'm sure you guys use the term ate up Oh ate up yeah Ate up what does that mean Is that good The number eight It's not good If you're ate up that's not good Ate up means no good Ate up means yeah kind of sloppy You're chewed up You're making a mistake Okay screwing up That's military slang That's military slang ate up Hua that's a big one in the US army That's army I watch TV Actually movie they have this They'll say that all the time in army Wow let's see I'm trying to think of one That the air force wouldn't know Blue falcon you know that one Blue falcon I heard that before Let me know in the comments If you think blue falcon is good or bad Blue falcon I can't remember Falcon color blue Blue falcon What does that mean I don't know You beat Tony That's okay That's army term It's an army term yeah And I'll let the audience Write what they think it means In the comments for a bit Blue falcon Yeah It is not a good term Yeah BF You'll have to bleep it here Oh not good Not good That's not a good thing Yeah Sorry editors It's okay we learn something So from my experience You know Taiwan buys US hardware So command and control Hardware included So it's not that difficult To convert when required Because most of them Is already compatible Just the different classified portion The code that you put in And stuff But I think if we ever Have to fight together Okay You know when we have All these joint exercises Okay One of the most important things We try to work together With our allies Is what we call TTP Tactics, techniques and procedure When you do something What is the tactics What is the technique We do certain things And what is the procedure We do certain things So when we work together Mission planning or counter air Okay When we talk about certain tactics We want our ally forces to understand You know when we talk about this When we use this one word What does it mean So the TTPs When we train foreign forces To work with us Usually that's one of the things That we want to teach early So they get used to use it During the exercise And become familiar And hopefully they repeat it When they get home So that when we do work together We use the same techniques Tactics and procedures Then we will succeed Otherwise you work against each other You don't know what to do When you say something If you need time in the room To comprehend your allies' words You're in trouble It's dangerous in battle It has to be done during the exercise But the best way to be familiar with this term is Live together, fight together, train together Absolutely Each year we got two battalions They go to the United States To be trained for months I think it's quite good It's good After work they can have a shot in bars And share the experience Communicate with each other Cheer the fans together That's the best way I guarantee you they learn TTP When they're working shoulder to shoulder They learn TTPs So when they ever come to shoulder to shoulder again They know exactly what you mean How do you do it And when you put your tank this way I know what you mean You want me to do it this way Certain things that you learn Just by understanding the TTPs That the other person is using Every year we got two battalions That means next year we're going to Six battalions have this kind of experience To be trained in the United States And some of these commanders Of these joint force battalions They are going to be promoted like a general So for the time being There will be more and more soldiers To be trained in the United States And the high rank commander generals They have this kind of experience When the scale raise up That will change the nature of this army And look from the U.S. side Same thing This captain or major who taught Taiwan troops He's going to move up And it's possible he gets positioned In U.S. Army Pacific User Pack in Hawaii And have a tasking In case something happens in Taiwan I'm on that team I got friends there And I know how they work This is a mutual beneficial relationship I think it's worth noting That the chief officer Who came in to observe on the U.S. side General Charles Flynn He used to be the commanding general Of the U.S. Army Pacific User Pack, yeah You just introduced the question I want to ask Look at that General Flynn led a delegation I appreciate that And they are not I'm not sure if I can say that They are not like observers Some officers They are active officers Some generals They actually go to the field To work with our commander Maybe in Tamsui River Maybe in some airfield And give some guidance And for example we have The block There is a name There is a special block They even teach us How to combine them together Make that obstacle effective Oh, okay Special block Provided by United States And so This delegation led by Flynn Flynn is the commander Of the United States Army He's a very experienced war fighter And led a lot of soldiers And the generals come to Taiwan And they show in different side And to instruct How to construct those blockade How to defend this side How to fulfill those tactical tactics So what does that mean to Taiwan In your point of view I think it means that The U.S. is extremely serious In Taiwan's defense I mean he's recently retired His last job was as The commanding general Of the U.S. Pacific Command He knows everyone Who's in the U.S. Pacific Command Before that he was The commanding general Of the 25th Infantry Division Which is out of Hawaii Right, so like he has A big chunk of his career Is in the Pacific And the rest of his career Is also very impressive He's a 82nd Airborne Commander At one point At any rate it means that The U.S. is very serious And they're using If you, I can prove The same for you two guys If you observe a general From the United States And leading a bunch of staff And make notes Observe the turrets And instruct how to Construct the obstacles Right And discuss with allies About tactics How to defend this area What they are doing They are just training Taiwanese soldiers Or it's kind of Battle management Yeah, I think he has A lot of experience in How to view the battlefield And how to shape it Because that's really The key to defense Is shaping the battlefield To your ideal situation Taking advantage of the terrain Changing the roads as you can Creating obstacles That doesn't stop the enemy But it shifts their movement Right, an obstacle That doesn't have a weapon system That can fire upon it They can share some Political real experience To our army Exactly We don't have that experience Battle experience We don't have that But they can pass that experience To our army It's important Oh, it's very important It's very important Because this type of activity What is the purpose? The purpose is when enemy comes at you They have the initiative When you make them respond To your obstacle and your movement You have the initiative So US forces is trained To seize the initiative Even when we're under attack The attacker might think He's got initiative But when he responds to your obstacle And your deception You have become the person With the initiative Because you made him do things That you want him to do So I think he's thinking in that manner When he does things like that You want to change the initiative You want to seize the initiative The enemy no longer drives this warfare Because I'm driving him Even from a defensive position I'm driving him So I think that's probably what he's thinking As far as providing this type of guidance I think it's also probably helping a lot With different tricks In command and control Communication Trying to control all the operations of units All across the battlefield Especially with the Navy and the Air Force All these different elements Working together in conjunction That's an art Oh, it is Getting all the pieces put together Yeah That's your advantage That kind of art Make American troops win a lot of victories Americans are very good at that Americans are also Exceptionally good at logistics And I want to share a scenario With you two guys And I want to hear your comments There is a scenario in day five Maybe day five In Hualien, east side of Taiwan This scenario is Taiwan using our very large Amphibious logistic ship 蓄海號 LSD-193 And 10,000 tons This ship And this 蓄海號 Just to pretend As a United States ship Supply ship Yes, supply ship I heard about this And this supply ship Sent from west Pacific Ocean Escort by United States carrier And air force and destroyers And when it enters When this ship The scenario is When the ship enters Taiwan territory waters Escort by Taiwan navy and air force With United States navy and air force And this supply ship Penetrate the blockade And sailing toward Hualien harbor And complete the resupply to Taiwan And this scenario is Working with allies To break through blockade by PLA We have this scenario this year And plan to exercise last year But because of typhoon They just move to this year And under the instruction Of observer from Indo-Pekong What is the meaning to you Well, I think Under international blockade is active war Okay And during last month TTX Same scenario, same result United States will immediately provide escort And to ensure Taiwan's critical needs Like natural gas, coal, food, medicine Ammunitions get through Every day so many ships get through United States navy escort And allied forces are participating In the escort operation So I fully expect This is a realistic scenario It will be very stupid for China To try to do blockade Because when they do the blockade What's happening Once they start the blockade They should expect international sanction Economic sanction And other things Because there might be blockade of China ships Instead of Malacca Strait Malacca Strait, they don't China won't get any resupply of their fuel Exactly And gasoline Second of all, when they do that We know they have hostile intent So the refuel pack exercise that we're doing now We'll be doing it for real Yeah Forces will move forward At that point They don't have a chance of winning the war The primary prize is Taiwan, right? So if they do a blockade They actually will lose the primary prize So but I think there's still a lot of people thinking Especially you see some of these pro-China talk show Oh, Taiwan survived three days Blockade, they're going to surrender Not going to happen Because first thing that's going to happen is Airplane C-17, C-5 is going to fly through You want to shoot them? So do you mean, Tony This scenario And we exercise this scenario And with those observers from Indo-Pekong Exactly Does this mean in United States At this Indo-Pekong plan To escort or to break through the blockade Do they have this plan And is that true They are going to use their air carrier Their air force, navy To escort those cargo Those resupply ship From the international water To Taiwan territory water And cooperate with Taiwan air force and the navy Is this Well, we won't go into that detail But Admiral Paparo Did say it's easy to break a blockade Yeah, he said that Okay, he said that Last November Right, commander of the Indo-Pacific Command said that We won't go into any of the detail Of how he's going to execute it But truly, it's easy Paparo said, replied And the question raised up by Singapore ambassador Yeah, good memory, exactly Singapore ambassador Oh, you're so far away You're so far, Taiwan is so near And Paparo said We are already there We are under the sea We are in the air And if China do a blockade It's easy Toward Taiwan He said he can He can break the blockade Yeah, so I think we should take it in that word And as far as how to execute it I'm certain it's very simple I mean, hopefully we have strategic warning So a lot of our ship is already on this side of the Pacific And to execute that And if China ever turn that into a shooting wall The ship's already there So, yeah, I think so Yeah, I think you're absolutely correct there I'm sure that the U.S. has several different plans Of what to do if China actually attempts a blockade And it's a real stupid move on China's part Because it's a lose-lose for them It's a lose-lose Right, they either enter into a war That they're going to absolutely lose A hot war where their navy will be destroyed within a week Or they have to break the blockade Let the U.S. break through the blockade And they lose face And be embarrassed And be embarrassed, right, on the world stage Yeah So the U.S. is not going to give up Taiwan as a trading partner No way No Taiwan's way too valuable If China dare to blockade this area That means damaging global economic interest It blockade Japan also Oh yeah, absolutely 50% of maritime cargo go through this area 50% of the world And like you said, China can easily be blockaded They're so reliant on fuel that comes through the sea They do have pipelines into Russia But even at max capacity That can only supply about 40% of their needs So the rest of it has to come through the sea China tries to exit toward the ocean Controlled by the United States Exactly All of it is controlled by the U.S. They actually import food Exactly China imports food 80% of their energy imports Most of their energy, a lot of their food So if they dare to blockade Taiwan That means damaging global interest And that means they are sending They provide a pre-warning to the world That they're going to be sanctioned And the United States is going to deploy forward And we have a backup plan to break through it All these people talk about If there's a blockade, how long Taiwan can survive They should think how long China can survive Exactly Really, seriously, look at the other side To do the blockade doesn't meet China's interest No, and another thing I see all these reports Oh, there's a war in Taiwan All this stuff is going to be destroyed But then they didn't think Well, the coastal area across from Taiwan In Zhejiang, in Fujian, in Guangdong Those are China's economic center That's where they make the money Yeah Those places will be destroyed The economy will be destroyed It's going to take them 20, 30 years to recover So you always see people talk about how Taiwan If they start shooting rockets Doesn't mean Taiwan can shoot back So that means if Xi Jinping is rational He won't launch a war toward Taiwan He won't carry out the blockade But even if he is crazy enough to do this We have backup plan Sure, absolutely To stop this kind of blockade Okay, so let's move to our last The final topic about this Hanguang 41 But we have so many stuff We can talk about this Next month I am going to get the AAR report Okay, cool Oh, excellent And if it's not confidential I can provide you Okay And maybe we can talk about that So If it's not confidential If it's confidential, sorry, I need to I think it's going to be confidential Okay, so my final question about this Is our social resilience Topher most witnessed the siren sound And all in sudden, empty on the street No one on the street And the bus driver abandoned the bus Everyone ran into some shelter What have you seen about Taiwan social resilience exercise And is there anything we can improve From what I saw, it's extremely impressive I've never seen anything like it In any place I've ever been in the world In United States Not at the civilian level Nobody going to bomb your country Right, right And You don't even have a bunker In your air force base I mean, I wish the US actually did have Some exercises like that Because it's useful Not even in the event of an attack But just natural disaster Yeah, yeah Some terrorist Yeah, all sorts of stuff So I mean, there's small scale things Like that in the US But nothing to the scale that Taiwan does So impressive Very, very cool I think there's probably some things That Taiwan might be able to incorporate In future exercises Like mass casualty evac Using civilian actors Maybe using buses to do that Maybe using garbage trucks As hasty barricades, roadblocks Things like that So there's different ways That civilians can aid In an emergency event like that But overall, I was extremely impressed 萬安 exercise Is our civilian resilience exercise When siren sounds, alert delivered Everyone disappeared Going to the shelter But not only that We need to train our policemen Our civilian volunteers They do know how to guide those civilians enter certain shelter Exactly And provide help And how to hide themselves Hand like this And maybe hide beneath the wall Something like that So it takes time to train our volunteers And our policemen Our civilian resilience workers I would add that I think it would be good To encourage civilians to stockpile First aid kits Have an emergency stockpile of water Drinking water And even just non-drinking water Emergency food That kind of stuff Again, hopefully it'll never be needed But even in an event of a natural disaster It could be very useful We are a country Suffering from earthquake and typhoon So those earthquakes Took a lot of lives of our fellows So in Taiwan To prepare those kind We call emergency pack People now get used to have that And you can deal with Natural disaster And as well the human military conflict And so I move back to Tony About the social resilience Anything we need to improve about this Because in Taiwan We're all familiar with this siren And we know we need to hide Otherwise we're going to pay $150,000 There are two girls They drive on the highway The high pass And nobody is here Let's take a selfie and take a picture And from the high tower building People take the film And they got fine Each one $150,000 I think we need that Because exercise It's not only exercise It's like a real time You're treated as real And I think the best thing About this exercise Is continue to bring awareness To the civilian side That to defend Taiwan It's not just a job of the military You all have to participate I think it is also If there's something I can add I would use those time For training Familiarization of What are the critical infrastructure In your area Power plant, water plant, bridges So that if you see somebody out there Trying to disrupt this Report it How to report The report process And how to Because this is what The fifth element China spy is going to do When there's chaos They're going to do more damages They try to destroy Your critical infrastructure So that make life hard For the Taiwan citizens So while the military is defending Against Chinese ships Airplane coming in They're going to have these people Running around Blow up your bridges And damage your power Inside the fortress They try to sabotage everything Exactly from the inside So it's up to The civilians And the police To pick up that task Of stopping the fifth element Stopping these spies From destroying from within Create chaos from within So I think What I would do is In that half an hour Whatever time that People get evacuated and hide Maybe there are certain Collection center Evacuation center Have a lesson Have a training of some type You know When they are hiding in some shelters Yeah Maybe we can have a lesson Sure About resilience Sure And education We are in We are at the spot And the nearby shelter Will be here, here, here All those information Right And provide to them And this area Here's the power plant We need to make sure There's no sabotage to here Right This is important You know, so That's a good suggestion Yeah, so that people know Okay When China is trying to attack Bombing us I can hide And also pay attention To anything that might Get close to that area And I want to report Here's a guy walking around With a backpack Could be explosives You know, he's climbing the fence Into the degeneration plant You know Yeah, so You know, about the social resilience It's kind to educate our individual Yeah Realize what's your role What's your role You have a military conflict Yeah Your role is to protect yourself Provide help Yeah How to get information How to get water, food, supply And how to observe weird situation And where to report What's your role It takes time to train and And know who to call Because everybody can be The eyes and ears of the police Yeah So do that And that kind of awareness is important Sure Make people go through this kind exercise One-line exercise Realize Taiwan, we are a country under threat Under threat We are a country under threat No matter it is earthquake, typhoon or PLA We need to do our best preparation For the worst scenario Yeah, I agree That's what we said at the very beginning So time is up And it's always It's a lot of pleasure have you two here And my dream is one day One of you become the anchor here And the other one will be the guest And I can be the viewer And thanks for coming here And sharing all your knowledge about defense And I always hope my limited English Won't obstacle your performance No, no, no And if our viewers, our friends You are watching our program here We call 308 High And this high actually It is in my constituency And maybe I will find a day To invite you to go to the 308 High Oh, that'd be great We have delicious food Delicious food That's even better Yeah So thanks for joining us 我們今天308 High到這裡 我們非常高興邀請了 Topher跟Tony 我們談了一些漢光41號 相關的現象我們看到的事情 當然他們兩位並沒有 直接參與當觀察員 所以有很多部分 我們也是從外部資訊 媒體報導來做分析 提供給漢光41號來做參考 那更重要的是 漢光41號耗時10天 這10天的實地 實時 實戰化的操演 非常的累 我們的國軍 不管是兩萬兩千名 被叫召的後備軍人 或者是現役的軍人 我也可以跟各位透露 包含一年期的義務役 也有參與其中 他們付出他們的心力 他們的時間 非常勞累的重視保衛國家工作 值得我們尊敬跟支持 而這些不管是叫召解召後 在網路上看到的留言 每一個人都覺得很累 但每一個人都深深引以為榮 認為這樣子的訓練纔是對的 可見臺灣的年輕人不怕累 他怕的是做一些沒有用的事情 如果這個是實戰化的訓練 光一個叫召回去參與的人 就打了180多發子彈 對他們來講 這不僅是光榮 不僅是疲勞 這是保衛自己的家園 那我們非常感謝各位 參與我們今天的308高定 我們下個禮拜四晚上七點半再會 拜拜