בעוד שהעימות המשפטי והפוליטי בין נשיא ארה"ב טראמפ לאונ' הרווארד ממשיך להסלים — אחד הפרופסורים הבולטים ביותר שעבד בעבר באוניברסיטה, מביע את דעתו.
המשפטן היהודי אלן דרשוביץ, מומחה במשפט פלילי, זכה לפרסום בין היתר בזכות הגנתו על או. ג'יי. סימפסון, מייק טייסון ודונלד טראמפ.
בגיל 28 הוא התמנה לפרופסור מן המניין הצעיר ביותר בביה"ס למשפטים של הרווארד ולימד שם יותר מ-50 שנה.
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As the legal and political clash between President Trump
and Harvard continues to escalate,
one of the university's most prominent former professors
is weighing in.
Criminal attorney Alan Dershowitz
is famed for defending OJ Simpson, Mike Tyson,
and Donald Trump.
At 28, he became Harvard's youngest tenured law professor
and taught for over 50 years.
On Bay Area Innovators, he discusses
why he predicted Harvard's current issues decades ago
and how he navigates the moral challenges
of representing controversial figures.
Let's hear his insights.
I wanna ask you about Harvard.
Obviously, there's been some friction there.
What are your thoughts?
What's happening with Harvard
and how is this gonna end up, you think?
In 1991, I wrote a book called Chutzpah,
in which I predicted we would see increasing antisemitism
on college campuses.
And we would see college students and faculty
moving way, way, way far to the left.
And that prediction has come true.
And so university campuses have become hotbeds of bigotry,
anti-Americanism, anti-Christianity, anti-Judaism,
and schools have been too tolerant and too permissive.
Now, teachers have academic freedom outside the classroom.
They do not have academic freedom inside the classroom.
When I taught at Harvard for 50 years,
I had 10,000 students.
Never once did I express a political or personal view
inside the classroom.
If you wanna know what my views are,
read my op-eds or come and hear me make a speech.
But the classroom is sacred.
Classroom sacredness has been abused largely by the left,
which have used the podium that they've been given
in order to propagandize students
and teach them to be anti-American and anti-Semitic.
And we've seen the spread.
And if the universities can't deal with that,
then the federal government has to come
and do something about it.
For me, the analogy is to 1955,
when I was a college student,
and schools in the South were allowing the Ku Klux Klan
to come on campus and to wear masks
and to terrorize black students.
And they were allowing white teachers
to teach white supremacy in the classroom.
And all of us liberals would have been happy
to have the federal government come in
and impose restrictions on that kind of misuse
of academic freedom.
And I think the same rule should apply.
You can't have one rule for bias and bigotry against blacks
and a different rule for bias and bigotry against Jews.
I have to ask you this.
You're a criminal lawyer, again,
probably the most renowned in the world.
How do you balance your inside moral values with a case?
Because you may deal with someone who is innocent,
someone who did not commit a big crime,
but someone who may have committed a big crime.
And then you have to defend them the same.
It's the hardest moral and emotional question.
I've represented probably, I don't know,
300 people charged with crimes ranging from murder
to you name it.
And I think of myself like a doctor in the emergency ward.
Both of my grandchildren are doctors.
And when they get a patient wheeled into the ward,
they don't ask, are you guilty or innocent?
They just ask, are you sick or you're not sick?
You treat the guilty as well as the innocent.
I'm a criminal lawyer.
And for the criminal justice system to work,
you have to defend the guilty along with the innocent.
That starts in the Bible with Abraham
defending the sinners of Saddam.
It continues to the pre-revolutionary era
in the United States when John Adams defended those
who were certainly guilty
of being part of the Boston Massacre.
And any lawyer who tells you
that he only represents the innocent
is not telling you the truth.
Well, now I would never ever say
that a person who I knew was guilty was innocent.
That's not the argument I would make.
I would argue about the evidence.
I would say there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
I would say the evidence was improperly admitted,
that it was tampered with,
as it was, for example, in the OJ Simpson case.
For example, I never stated publicly,
never stated publicly,
OJ Simpson is categorically innocent.
I never said that.
I don't say that about my clients,
whether I believe they're innocent or guilty.
I defend them as they should be defended
based on the lack of evidence,
based on constitutional violations.
And so do I feel good when I get somebody off
who I know was guilty?
No, I have a policy.
People usually have victory parties
after they've won cases.
I never go to a victory party
because I know there's somebody dead
or there's somebody hurt
and that person doesn't deserve to have a celebration
for the person who might've done it.
So although I might feel professionally accomplished
by winning a case of somebody who I believe is guilty,
I don't feel great personal satisfaction,
but it's much worse when I represent somebody
who's innocent and who's convicted.
And I've had that.
Mike Tyson was innocent and he was convicted.
I felt terrible that I couldn't win the case.
I didn't do the trial.
I just did the appeal on behalf of somebody
who I knew was innocent and who was found guilty.
And I've had that in a number of other cases.
Mostly I've won those cases,
but occasionally when you lose a case
involving somebody who you think is innocent,
that's the worst feeling.
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