Romantic Echoes - Gaung Sumatra I SUAR Podcast #21

Romantic Echoes
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My favorite Barasoara album number one is...
Menenggang Badai?
Yeah, that's crazy.
Why do you like that one?
I don't know, at first I thought it was weird.
I mean, it's a song that can be played a lot, actually.
But this one...
That year...
I was confused about the intro, and I told Marco, I want something weird, something like, what is it?
But that's the idea.
That's my idea.
I said, what is it?
Dun-dun-ta-dun-dun-ta-dun, just like that.
Weird, isn't it?
Not something that can come out of...
Like a stage, right?
Not something that can come out of a drummer.
Actually, in my first album,
I mostly talked to Marco about the basic beat.
Like, this is what I want.
That's how it happened.
That's why a lot of people said the beat was weird.
Maybe the basic idea was from when I made the riff.
Not something that was made by a drummer.
You were a drummer in the beginning, right?
Yes.
I once met a friend of yours
in a band from Medan,
a rock and roll band.
He said he used to be a drummer.
Vintage.
Yeah, yeah.
We were talking.
Hey, you know Bang Iga, right?
Yeah.
Hey, let me in.
You're a dog.
You're crazy.
You're a nepotism.
So, you started out as a drummer,
then you became a singer.
How was that?
In the beginning, I was just talking.
What?
Nothing.
Just talking?
Yeah.
I was just talking.
It's okay.
We're just talking.
Here, we don't use action.
In the beginning, I was just talking.
So, in the beginning, I was Vintage.
Vintage is your band in Medan?
Vintage is my band.
Before that, I had my own metal band.
Before that, I used to play metal.
Like Lemovgard.
Cover, cover.
Then, because it was hard to play,
I was like, why is there a band like Wolfmother?
Like Darsun, back then.
The one that was like management.
But, it was rock.
How could it be?
Then, I was introduced to A'as.
If Bang Iga knows,
the guitarist who might be close to Bang Iga.
Oh, okay, okay.
His name is A'as.
This is hard rock.
So, I was like, okay, okay, okay.
Back then, I liked The Strokes.
The one that wasn't like that, the music.
Just loose.
Whereas, Wolfmother was like riff-riff.
Rave.
Then, I played drums.
When I played drums,
because I didn't go to college,
I saw my friends
A'as was a doctor.
Doctor?
What kind of doctor?
A doctor.
A real doctor.
Like a real surgery.
Then, I was like,
where will I be in the future?
We played a band like that in Medan.
At that time, Medan didn't have...
In DSP, there wasn't a sound from Bandung,
a sound from North Sumatra.
There wasn't anything like that.
What year was that, Jack?
2000...
2010.
Okay.
In 2010, in Medan,
it was still raw.
Then, I thought,
I think I have to make a band
that is at least
pop.
I mean,
it can still be sung.
At least like that.
But,
I've never sung before.
Okay.
I've never sung before.
Like Ican.
Ican, Pijar's guitarist.
Ican was like,
I want to make a band.
His name is Pijar.
We haven't met yet.
I want to make a band.
Like,
Two Doors, Cinemaclub,
Vampire Weekend, and so on.
Oh yeah, who sings?
Me.
You're crazy.
Yes, I sing.
Then, we made a demo.
Oh, it turns out you can sing.
Yes, I can.
Then, it started.
Well, my band hates me.
All of them.
It's like,
they feel left out.
Because at that time,
I was thinking,
when I made Pijar,
what I was thinking was,
to move to Jakarta.
Okay.
So, I said,
I made this band,
not to be in Medan.
I made this band
to move to Jakarta.
But, we didn't have any friends,
or anything like that at that time.
It's okay, let's just try it.
Okay.
One Pijar band moved from Medan to Jakarta.
Yes.
What happened after that?
I had a fight with Vintage Graces.
Okay.
I had a fight with Vintage.
Then, as time went by,
I got older,
I understood,
if I didn't move at that time,
maybe I couldn't get to know
Iggy and Sardi,
get to know everyone.
That's what they thought.
I also thought,
if I didn't move,
it would be hard for me.
What would I become in Medan?
At that time.
Maybe now, it's better.
Okay.
So, around 2010,
one Pijar band moved to Jakarta.
What happened after you moved to Jakarta?
In Pijar.
I moved in 2013.
Oh, you moved in 2013.
Okay, so in 2013,
you moved to Jakarta.
Now, I want to know,
for bands from outside Jakarta,
I mean, there are many,
maybe even until now,
how to be successful nationally?
Did moving to Jakarta
become the absolute answer
to your success?
there are so many questions like,
can you do it?
Do you know anyone?
That's right.
In 2013,
after moving to Jakarta,
in your first year in Pijar,
what did you feel?
Regret.
I mean,
regret is maybe
in the first year.
In the first year,
finally,
me, Ichan, and Aul,
my drummer,
and one of my bassist,
we came,
we felt that
Jakarta was indeed
the dream city for musicians
at that time,
that era.
The era of local kids.
Local kids think like that,
maybe, on average.
Then we moved to Jakarta,
we felt like,
oh, this Jakarta
accepts all kinds of music,
or whatever.
New musicians.
There was an event called
in Kuningan City,
Lokang Fesat.
That's it, basically.
Wow, there was
Good Night Electric,
Adams,
all kinds of music.
Then we brought
a CD to Pijar.
We brought a CD to Pijar,
we shared it.
Oh, do you want it?
Here, here, here, here.
Then,
oh, no, no.
In my heart,
damn,
it turned out to be this crazy.
I mean,
we already made it,
you don't have to buy it.
We just have to share it,
you don't want it either.
Sorry,
who did you give it to?
The audience.
Okay.
So, in Adams,
it was like,
only you,
we were sharing it.
Damn,
that's crazy.
We were sharing it.
People were like,
oh, no, no,
thank you, thank you.
We're a pop band.
A pop band,
not an experimental band.
Yeah, thank you.
It's okay.
We don't want it.
But now,
the price of the CD
that I shared,
the price is already
100,000.
But it's on Tokopedia.
That's weird.
Well,
that was
one of the downsides
that you felt
when you got
that rejection.
But then,
it made you feel,
damn,
this is my lowest point
from Medan to Jakarta.
When was that?
That was
after
a year,
actually.
Like,
my mom said,
when you leave
this house's door,
in Medan,
when you leave
this house's door,
I won't give you
anything else.
Wow,
that's cool.
So,
back then,
it was like
we performed
in Medan
and got paid
that much.
Then,
we could still
go back to Medan,
I mean,
go home
and eat.
we can't.
So,
that was
my lowest point.
But then,
when we don't have money,
we can't
be like,
man,
what do we do?
We don't have money.
So,
we fasted.
What did you fast?
We didn't eat.
How many days
did you not eat?
Maybe
one day,
maybe
Indomie,
like that,
once,
one day,
like that.
The next day,
we only ate bread.
Oh yeah?
Yeah.
What year was that?
2013?
2014?
Yeah,
like that.
Where did you live, Jack?
In an apartment in Kalibata.
At first.
You rented it together?
We rented it together.
So,
one apartment
was full of stuff.
So,
there were two rooms,
and then,
I was
in the first room,
my drummer was in the guest room,
and I was in the other room.
Like that.
We were there
until I felt like,
oh,
that's crazy.
Is this the right choice?
I went to this city,
and I was like,
this is really bad.
All kinds of things.
The first person you met
outside the circle of Pijar,
who do you think
was your first door?
Who was it?
The one outside Pijar?
The one you met for the first time,
oh,
I finally met this person.
Bang Jimmy?
Muhtazam.
How did it go?
One day,
I,
oh yeah,
I was playing at Tos de Nois.
Okay.
That was his show.
So,
I finally met him,
I was still a student.
Bang, I'm from Pijar.
The kid's name is also Pijar,
it turns out.
Yeah.
Right?
We're from Pijar.
Oh yeah,
you're not bad.
With his wife,
Bang Jimmy,
she's really nice,
Mbak Ciara.
Yeah,
it's like playing Pijar all the time.
At that time,
it was like a stage,
we kept getting jobs from him.
So,
from there,
I remember Pijar
became the opening act
of 12 Matraman.
12 years of Matraman.
It was quite,
upstair, good night,
and then there was a band,
which was quite,
which was a legend.
At that time,
Pijar was standing there.
At that time,
it was quite,
people were like,
oh, this is Pijar,
this is Pijar, this is Pijar.
After that,
it's clear,
there's a keyboardist around,
Randi.
That's the story of your relationship with Randi.
It's a bit weird,
but it's Randi.
Okay.
What's the story, Jack?
Randi was wearing Pijar's shirt
before we knew each other.
Cool.
He was really cool.
He was really supportive.
He was wearing Pijar's shirt,
and then there was a friend of mine,
his name was Ivan Maksara,
he was like,
Oh,
a friend's critic.
Yeah,
a notice.
This is Pijar's band,
do you know Pijar?
If I'm not mistaken,
Randi said,
no,
I just like the band.
He's cool,
he's really cool.
Then,
because we got the news,
we immediately,
Randi was,
what?
Randi was live,
or something like that.
Then we went in.
Oh,
we were live.
Yeah.
Pijar was live.
Randi went in.
Cool.
We were like,
Randi, Randi, Randi.
Crazy.
Then what?
Randi, Randi, Randi.
After that,
it turned out,
Randi wanted to produce
Pijar's EP.
That's where it started.
Pijar was pretty good,
there was a stage here and there,
and,
he was more responsible
with his parents.
Because we had left,
oh,
my son was already playing
in TVRI,
or something like that.
Oh, he's already there.
Okay,
that's where it all started.
So,
the two of you,
I mean,
you first met Jimmy,
then you
somehow got to know Randi,
and then from there,
you slowly took off.
You could say that.
Yes.
Why did you finally decide
to make Romantic Echoes?
There are one or two things
that,
actually,
I can't tell you here.
Okay, okay.
It's okay, it's okay.
So, I decided
to let Pijar
rest for a while.
I let Pijar rest for a while,
and that was also
based on,
what is it,
together,
the decision
with Ica and Awul,
like,
let's let him rest for a while.
At that time,
we didn't have,
like,
we didn't have
what we made on Instagram.
No,
we didn't.
So,
Pijar was doing pretty well,
but the soundtrack there,
all of a sudden,
it just disappeared.
It just disappeared.
And then,
people were also
asking questions.
So,
that's what,
what is it,
actually,
Romantik Ekos is like
a medicine,
for,
for me personally,
so that I can still
create.
That's it.
If Romantik Ekos,
so,
as long as
I'm with Pijar,
we're on tour,
I still,
there are some music
that I know,
this,
Pijar,
can't bring
music like this.
That's what,
finally,
Romantik Ekos.
Okay.
So, those are songs
that didn't make it to Pijar,
then you documented them
under the name Romantik Ekos.
Yup.
In 2019,
it was your first release.
Yeah, in 2019.
With Oslo Ibrahim.
How was that?
Because you're friends from the same village?
Or what?
Yeah.
Actually,
at that time,
there was no Bang Iga,
there was no Romantik Ekos,
there was no Ngorin single
at all.
Then,
I was also,
in,
what is it,
in the phase
of going to Romantik Ekos.
Okay.
At that time,
Oslo Ibrahim was also
new to Oslo Ibrahim.
Before that,
Rio Risky.
Risky.
Yeah.
He used to have
spiky hair,
basically.
Cool.
Oslo, Oslo,
Oslo before top 5.
Yeah, yeah,
cool.
Then,
because Oslo is,
what is it,
Oslo and I are
brothers,
I mean,
what,
basically,
I heard that
if you've been friends
for more than 10 years,
you're already brothers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something like that.
Well, me and him
have been more than that.
Well, in Medan,
our band is
like,
oh, your band is bad,
your band.
Your rival.
Yeah, your rival.
What was your band's name?
Yoken Yol.
Wow, cool.
Cool, cool, cool.
Ready, ready.
Oslo Yoken Yol.
Oslo is Yoken Yol,
very blues.
Okay, you're vintage grass.
I'm vintage grass.
Glasses, yeah, yeah.
More like,
yeah, hard rock.
Okay.
Well,
we finally met again
in Jakarta,
we met again.
Because of the blues connection,
right?
Because of the blues connection.
One hard rock,
one blues.
But that was a long time ago.
Okay.
A long time ago.
The guitar, right?
After that,
we, what,
oh yeah,
there,
I realized,
Bang Iga,
I started to realize,
it turns out I can,
I can
write songs, yeah.
It turns out,
I started to open up,
oh,
it turns out there is
this profession,
like that.
Producer, or
songwriter, or whatever.
Well, I started to realize that,
so I tried to write.
We challenged each other,
challenged each other,
with Oslo.
We made two songs.
The first song,
eh, we made two songs.
The music,
I made the music,
you made the music.
So, it's You Made Me Smile
and You Made Me Cry.
So,
after that,
I finished making
the first single,
Romantik Ekus,
My Eyes.
Okay.
Now,
if we talk from,
what is it,
from a lyrical point of view,
and so on,
you're a little different
from Pijar, actually.
Do you really have,
what is the term,
do you have a lot
of love in your heart
that you can make
a,
an alias called
Romantik Ekus
to sing a love song?
I mean,
are you really
as romantic as that, Jack?
Yeah, maybe.
I'm so sorry, bro.
How, Dis?
He's so romantic.
Crazy.
His name is
Gaum Romantis.
Crazy.
This, bro,
maybe,
if I,
pull it again,
like that,
I,
it's like,
I'm shielded from
a family that,
well,
kids these days
call it a broken home.
Okay.
Well,
I didn't get that
when I was little.
Okay.
I didn't get
those romantic things.
Like,
from dad to
kid.
From that.
Well,
eventually,
when I
had a partner,
I tried to
be better.
Like that.
I tried to be better.
Eventually,
it made me,
indirectly,
make love lyrics
without hesitation.
Okay.
So,
I just released it.
Like,
people said,
if it's a song,
there's no need
for love lyrics
or anything.
I just hit it,
then,
it's okay.
I want to
release this.
My side,
I want to release this.
Okay.
That's what I did.
Well,
you have a reference
as far as I know you.
I mean,
you're into garage rock.
Then,
you're into,
you have a hard rock band too.
Then,
when you made Dramatic Echoes,
you had
a very different approach
from the reference I know
about you.
Like that.
What reference
did you actually listen to
when you
wanted to
release all of
Dramatic Echoes?
Like that.
Other than
the side of garage rock,
the fast garage rock.
Other than that?
Yes.
Where did you get
the love lyrics from?
To be honest.
Who did you listen to?
Love lyrics?
Naif, I think.
Naif?
Yes.
I'm a big fan of Naif.
And,
Bang David,
and Jaro Emil,
and Pepe.
They're my idols.
In my opinion,
they can
make lyrics
that are not
heard,
eh,
yes,
heard like,
this is
light.
But,
when they bring it in,
it's different.
It's not light at all.
It's very deep.
So,
for me to
learn
how to write lyrics,
I thought,
oh,
I can write lyrics
like,
I love you.
But,
with the right notes.
Yes.
What Naif song
made you,
like,
I want to make lyrics
like this.
Which song?
Oh,
Naif.
Gosh.
I don't know
what.
Isn't it crazy?
It's crazy.
I hate to love.
Johandan Eni.
Johandan Eni?
Johandan Eni.
Yes.
It's like,
we feel like,
it's crazy.
I mean,
like that.
Like,
that's it.
There's no need
for it to be like that.
That's what
opened
my eyes.
If,
the name of the song,
it has to
be good.
It can't be
not good.
That's it.
A good song
is like,
it saves everything.
In any aspect.
Lyrics.
Okay.
What's the song that saves you?
The song that saves me?
The song that you hold
when you're
in the worst times.
The worst times,
I guess.
Destruction.
That,
album.
I'm more into the album.
First Impression of Earth.
The third album.
That made me,
want to,
remember again,
why I started this.
Whether it's
in a bad situation,
whatever it is.
For example, life,
or,
Well,
Destruction,
that album,
always saves me.
Why?
Because,
it,
reminds me,
when I was a kid,
watching it on YouTube,
watching Julian,
and all that,
like,
the energy is recalled again.
Oh, I have to be like this,
why am I sad?
Like that.
I have to be Julian.
Like that.
Okay.
Your song that saves you.
About flowers, maybe, bro.
About flowers?
About flowers.
Why, Jok?
I remember,
for Romantik Ekos,
it's not necessarily because,
it's cool,
or because,
even,
it's not something I want,
Romantik Ekos.
Like that.
It's not something you want?
Why?
Romantik Ekos,
well,
I mean,
maybe,
I'm wrong.
It became,
something that,
at first,
I didn't want,
but,
it became,
I wanted.
Right?
That's Romantik Ekos.
Well, about flowers,
it's like,
it makes me,
get,
what is it,
memories that,
oh,
it turns out that,
humans are,
what is it,
born,
okay,
pure, like that.
Empty,
zero,
live.
Well, there's that thing,
bro.
What makes me,
every time I hear a song about flowers,
it's like,
okay,
just do it.
Whatever is,
in front of my eyes,
just do it.
Like that.
What is the strongest lyric,
or,
the strongest line,
from that song?
Which one, Jack?
The one that every time you sing it,
you,
shake, like that.
The,
ref.
The love that I give,
for you,
don't ever,
turn away,
from me.
Like that.
It's like,
for us,
let's go back,
back to being pure, like that.
For,
don't ever,
do that.
You have a career,
I mean,
if I look at it from,
your discography,
you're from 2019, like that.
In total,
it's been 5 years, Jack.
How many times,
did you feel like you failed?
In terms of career,
bro?
I mean,
Never?
Never.
Not at all?
Yeah, not at all.
Maybe,
failure,
exists,
when,
in life, maybe.
If, for example,
failure,
spirit,
in life,
quite a lot,
the bumps,
are really big.
Okay, yeah,
true, true.
Like,
yeah,
I,
was taken care of,
by my grandma,
like that,
since I was little.
Then,
my grandma,
suddenly,
passed away,
like that.
Then,
before that,
I made a song,
Amerta,
which,
I,
the monument was for her,
she really likes India,
like that.
That's one of my favorite songs.
Alhamdulillah,
bro.
I didn't mean to,
just now.
Yeah,
what you just said, right?
Yeah.
At first,
I was like,
eh,
why is there India Dangdut,
like this,
I was like,
who is this?
At first,
I was like,
oh,
we're going to practice the match,
that's why it's weird,
Universe really likes weird things,
right?
I heard it in the car,
at first,
I didn't really get it,
right?
Yeah.
Until later,
like,
eh,
when there was a one chord change,
I was like,
damn,
this is really India,
who is this?
I heard it,
I told him to turn it up,
on the radio,
then I heard it,
this is like,
shazam,
I got close to the speaker,
I closed my eyes till
I heard the song.
I kept on listening,
I kept on listening to it,
and I saw this kid,
where are we going?
Suddenly,
there's a timing penalty.
I was like,
second hand,
still,
yeah,
I said,
oh,
that's fine,
well,
that's actually,
this song is for your grandma, right?
Actually, it's for my grandparents.
I made it for my grandparents, who introduced me to the culture, the Indian culture.
And it's really cool.
I'm Opung, in Medanese, Opung means grandfather.
I really like Opung.
Like Nat King Cole, Frank Sinatra, W.E.B.R.O.D.E. Jazz.
I want to make it.
He passed away.
I didn't have a chance to hear it.
After that, I hurried to Angkarta.
It's not because I prayed.
My intention was to let my grandparents hear it.
So at least, they know that their grandson made this for them.
And it was really weird.
When I made that song, and I got married, he passed away.
You didn't have a chance to hear it?
How did you feel when you heard it?
I was really happy.
He was like, my grandson!
He was really happy.
Because his grandson followed his taste.
But did you finish the song for your grandparents?
I did, but I just kept it.
You haven't released it yet?
No.
Your first album is not just an EP.
It's a tribute to the past.
Why did you make that album?
A tribute to the past?
What do you mean?
A tribute to the past is my worries.
If only I could turn back time,
I would make a better version.
Okay.
The keyword is a tribute to the past.
That's why the album is full of regrets.
It's full of regrets.
A tribute to the past.
And all I've been through is regret.
I mean, everything is full of regrets.
That's what the album is about.
A tribute to the past.
And all I've been through is regret.
But I tried to move on.
I haven't made up my mind yet.
There's a lot of resentment in that album.
And you still talk about it.
Yes.
It's one of the most popular albums in DSP.
Yes, thank God.
A lot of people like it.
A lot of people love it.
A lot of people love Bilal and Noh.
Yes, they're really good.
But you've been to Malaysia with Bilal before, right?
Yes.
Bilal and...
Rumah Sakit.
Rumah Sakit, yes.
I saw the acceptance from Malaysians there.
It was really warm.
Yes, it was.
It was crazy.
How was it, Jack?
I mean, did you expect people in Malaysia
to love your song that much?
I did expect it.
You did?
Yes, I did.
I did expect it.
Actually, what made me confident
was when I made the album with Noh from the past,
I really fenced with Noh.
With Noh Saleh.
And I knew that Noh's fans in Malaysia were crazy.
And if I'm not mistaken,
Malaysia and Medan are like...
Like neighbors.
And it's really the same.
The musical culture.
The musical culture and the Malay culture.
Yes, Malay.
Yes, Medan is really big in Malay, right?
So I've always wanted to make a song
that Noh would sing in one of my albums.
And Noh managed to do it
with his kindness and humbleness.
With...
Who is this romantic?
He just made an album and invited me.
And when I made it,
and when I first heard Noh sing,
it was during the pandemic.
When Noh first sang that song,
I was sure that people in Malaysia would like it.
How did you first get in touch with Noh?
He's smart.
Oh.
Noh is smart.
Okay.
So you knew him before?
Yes.
Before Romantik.
Yes, before Romantik.
And then I saw his strong wind,
and all kinds of his singles.
So I thought,
one day I want to make a song with Noh.
And then I met Bang Iga,
the one I love.
Yes, yes.
So when I made that song,
thank God,
there was also Bilal.
Yes, yes.
These three guys are singing a song...
Cocorapu.
The one I love.
Yes, yes.
I'm sure the listeners in Malaysia
would like it.
Okay.
So you already have a clear vision
about this song, right?
You already have expectations,
and those expectations are achieved.
Achieved.
How many times in your life,
have your career and expectations been achieved, Jack?
Once.
I mean, in life.
In your life,
during your career,
how many times have your expectations been achieved?
I mean, the highest moments.
Do you still remember?
Either from Pijar,
or from Romantik.
A lot, Bang Iga.
Really.
One of the most memorable.
Fuck, I even went there.
Malaysia.
Malaysia, right?
Malaysia.
Because I,
back then,
I was sure that
Malaysia,
God willing,
would like Romantik Equs.
Because what I brought
was our language,
Malay.
My grandmother is Malay, right?
Yes.
So I spread it there.
Yes.
And when I played in Malaysia,
the people there
sang from the start of the setlist
to the end of the setlist.
They were screaming so loud.
Wow, that's crazy.
For me, it was like,
what kind of dream is this?
I mean, in...
Best feelings?
Yes.
In Romantik Equs,
in Jakarta,
in Indonesia itself,
I can say it's not that big.
It's not that big.
But in Malaysia,
Romantik Equs can get that.
Okay.
What have you done
to preserve the market
in Malaysia until now?
Do you have an office?
Or what?
So far.
I don't have one yet, Iga.
But, God willing,
for this album,
I think I'm going to
make something.
Yes.
I mean,
when you see
so many people,
yesterday,
I saw Niji
in Malaysia.
Boy,
it's time you broke, man.
That's crazy.
17,000.
I can even dare to say
that in Jakarta
or Indonesia,
you can't have
17,000 people
in one stadium, man.
That's crazy, bro.
It's like the GBK class.
That's crazy.
Maybe.
Zemberandi made it, right?
Yes, man.
I saw it.
Wow, that's crazy.
Crazy, right?
Crazy.
You're really singing.
Yeah, man.
That's crazy.
Fuck.
That's crazy.
In my heart,
my friend is really famous.
That's crazy.
Niji is crazy.
That's crazy.
Niji is crazy.
You can be there
and sing,
what do you think?
Go there?
Astagfirullahaladzim.
InsyaAllah.
I can.
InsyaAllah.
InsyaAllah, I can.
Just now,
I just got
some knowledge
from you.
It's really great.
That all of this
is not us,
it turns out,
bro.
If we think
we're together.
Yeah, if we think
we're together,
then we're sure.
That's what we can do, right?
That's right.
In the end,
what I realized personally,
after a lot of things
happened to me personally,
it turns out
that we live
only as
a messenger.
Who writes the message?
That's it.
The Almighty.
So,
whatever we do now,
I mean,
maybe you feel it
when we're talking,
but really,
if we get a good song,
we ask,
who made it?
Maybe,
right now,
I trust myself enough
to answer
the one who translated it for me.
Yeah.
I think that's better.
Maybe.
For both of us,
at least,
we agree that
what we translate
into a song
is just
a continuation
of the Almighty.
The Almighty Creator.
That's it.
The Divine Creator.
So,
it's like
reducing the pride
of humanity itself.
Isn't it?
Yeah,
it's good.
Very good.
Because maybe
when we have a work,
we feel happy
when we're praised,
and we feel sad
when we're insulted.
But by realizing,
personally,
right now,
realizing that
we're only
a messenger,
then the praise
won't be too high,
and the insult
won't be too low.
That's right.
Because basically,
we're just
a messenger.
That's it.
Inshallah.
Now, back to you, Jack.
Then,
we talked about
how
your acceptance in Malaysia
is so big.
I mean,
maybe your friends
who are watching this later
are hoping for the same thing.
Maybe your Malaysian friends
are watching this.
I'm just saying this
personally,
because not everyone is like that, Jack.
I mean,
Barat Suara played in Malaysia
but when he saw
what you got there,
man,
it was way much bigger.
it's such a shame
if you're not
being
taken care of.
As soon as possible, Jack.
That's what I think.
Because you just
released here, right?
it was the opening performance.
That's right.
Later, okay?
Yeah, this is
one of those
what is it?
One of those
when you say
Naif is a band
that has
a big impact on you.
This is right away
but when I heard
the opening performance,
I felt that.
Like, oh yeah,
this is the attraction.
Now,
you produced it yourself
and you wrote
everything yourself.
How did you
get the idea, Jack?
The opening performance?
Yes.
And why
is it called
the opening performance?
That's what I want to ask.
The inspiration
actually comes from
the movie,
Bang Giga.
So there's
the opening performance,
the problem
is the premise.
Yeah,
that's right.
So the opening performance
is actually a fight.
In a
in a scene
that is in a relationship
that is in a fight.
When you want to know
the next story,
it will be in
the next song,
like that.
I invited
the listener of
the new album,
Romantic Echoes,
Bismillah,
will be able
to feel
that romantic movie,
that drama movie.
Oh, okay.
So from the beginning,
you already made the plot,
about the whole album,
about what,
and where
you have to start.
Yes.
So like,
about
this album,
this album is like
about
journey,
separation,
and sincerity.
While the first album
is regret.
Let it be there.
Okay.
That's it.
Well, the third album is like
journey,
separation,
regret.
Eh, regret,
sincerity.
Okay, so
wait a minute,
let me recap first.
Presentation from the past
is about regret.
Regret.
Paradise in 2002 is about?
Paradise is
quite anomalous,
because it was
when I was
in love
with my current wife.
That's why the name is
like that.
Okay.
He's different.
He has his own story.
Oh, okay.
So this is outside
the plot you're going to make?
Yes.
Okay, so
presentation from the past,
then the designers
came out of the plot,
then
the next album
can it be revealed?
Not yet?
Yes.
Yes?
This is about
release.
When do you want to release it?
Next.
No, when do you want to release the album?
August.
Oh, not yet.
I mean,
when this comes out,
the album hasn't come out yet.
Not yet, right?
But it's okay.
Do you want to reveal it?
Yes.
As much as you want.
Yes.
Okay.
Especially in Bangiga.
The title of
the new Roman 3x
album is
Presentation
from
Sorry, wrong.
Presentation
Presentation for
the future.
Wow.
Presentation from the past
in 2020.
Four years later,
it became
Presentation from
for the future.
For the future.
Presentation from
the past
and
Presentation for
the future.
Wait.
Presentation from the past
and
Presentation for
the future.
So,
okay.
What
will you tell
from the
Presentation for
the future?
It is
stories
or
we can say
suggestions
that we
prepare in
this time
for the
next phase.
Oh, I see.
Yes.
More to
that.
The content of the album
is more to that.
Moreover,
young people
who listen to
Gen Z
or
young people
again.
Maybe they
haven't felt
like us
who have
been hit
by waves
and all kinds.
Well,
this is
like
this is
here,
this is
here,
listen to it.
About
the perspective
still from
love
or
in life
broadly?
Broadly,
broadly
life,
but not
as
broad
as
Barasuar.
This is
more
maybe
romantic
love drama
still,
but more
mature.
There is
more
maturity.
Not
just a
moment.
Jin,
let's
break up.
Okay?
Okay.
When you
write a
love song,
I mean
like this,
you write
about heartbreak,
you write
about
conflict,
then you
write about
falling in love.
Sometimes
people think
like this,
there are
many
musicians
who
feel like
they have to
really feel it
first,
then they
can write
lyrics
deeper,
meaning
if they
write a
love song,
they
really
have to
feel it.
Meanwhile,
what do you
do to
trigger
that sad
Do you
have to
fight first
or not?
Do you
have to
base it on
experience?
Assuming that
Disa is not
here.
Yes.
Finally,
what triggered
me to
make,
not to
make,
to
make
this
album
for the
is
I
was
inspired
by
Almarhum
Bangadepaloh.
Oh yeah?
Yes.
He
a
good
listener.
Right?
So,
there were
a few people
who came
to us
not to
be
told
or
not to
be told
what you
are like
or
what
are like
or
what
you
are like
or
what
you
or
what
are
you
like
and
what
or
music
before.
It's like making a movie.
So it's not based on my own experience.
It's more like making a movie.
You absorb it all from other people.
Yes.
And translate it in your own way.
Yes.
That's really good.
If we're talking about Amarhum Adepalo,
actually a lot of people are touched by him,
not because of his health,
but because he creates a space for people to feel heard.
I've talked about this with Raka Sereza.
Oh yes.
Raka is really close to me.
We talked about this.
The point is, sometimes people...
You're right.
People don't always want to be advised.
Yes.
But people always want to be heard.
Yes.
You just need that sometimes.
I'm like this, this, this.
My life is like this, this, this.
We don't have to be like,
I have to be grateful.
Fuck.
Shit.
That's crazy, man.
That's the worst advice.
Fuck.
That's the last advice people want to hear
when they have problems.
You have to be grateful.
That's not the problem.
That's crazy.
It's annoying, right?
You're in love and you have a problem.
It's really hard.
You have to be grateful.
Bro, what do you mean?
No, that's not what I meant.
The advice is good.
But sometimes the place...
Being grateful is good.
But sometimes it's not in place.
So we get mad.
Like, this is crazy.
But I agree.
I mean,
giving for the future
is one of your efforts
to be a good listener
about what's going on around you.
That's right.
It doesn't have to be me, me, me.
That's right.
As far as what, Jack?
Other people's problems that you hear.
Finally affect you psychologically.
As far as
it's brought to me sometimes.
Sometimes it's brought to me like,
damn,
he's back again, bro.
To the old Almarhum.
He's great.
He can handle it.
Those are negative things.
All of it.
Negative energy.
It's taken away from him.
It's accepted by him.
But if he meets us,
he's still like,
hello.
What?
How's life now?
That's what I mean.
I think it's really cool.
Are you like that?
Yes.
No, I mean,
I'm not at that stage yet.
Oh, you're not at that stage yet.
I'm not at that stage yet.
I'm still like,
talking to Disa,
so it's like,
damn, it's really hard.
It's really hard.
To get here.
Riko is playing games again.
Watching.
All kinds of things.
After that,
it's like that.
It's there, bro.
Yeah.
That's what I mean.
Sometimes,
as people who listen,
we can't always be okay.
Yeah, that's true.
And fortunately,
we have a non-destructive calibration.
I mean, sometimes,
there are things that,
I don't know,
become alcoholic,
or whatever.
Thankfully,
maybe those days have passed.
For both of us, at least.
Then,
I was amazed by you
when you said,
you have high expectations
for the song you love,
and those expectations are achieved.
I asked you earlier,
how many expectations
have you achieved,
and you said,
a lot.
What I want to ask,
is the opposite.
How many expectations
have you not achieved?
A lot.
A lot, I think.
What do you remember the most?
One of them.
I want to release another album.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, I want to.
I want to.
Do you understand?
Okay, okay.
That's crazy.
And then?
I want to.
But for the time being,
I don't know when.
So,
I mean,
don't ask me,
like,
a lot of people,
ask me,
like,
I really want to.
Bro,
just calm down.
There will be people listening,
and they'll be like,
you're a dog too.
Okay, okay.
That's it.
That's talking about expectations.
Maybe my last question.
Everything you've ever done,
everything you've ever made,
music,
songs you've written,
songs you've released,
everything you've got,
according to you,
is it enough to make the people you love proud?
Wow, that's a crazy question.
Everything I've done?
I've always done
everything.
I believe,
like, I believe
when I do everything,
I never go beyond the limits
that
I always keep.
The negative,
I don't know
if people feel it's negative or not,
but I, personally,
I always
start something
with
love.
Whatever it is,
whether it's
friendship,
or anything else,
I'm easy to
buffer.
Whether it's
friends,
or anything else,
I can,
I,
I'm more,
I'm like,
for example,
like Bang Iga,
he's my brother.
I'm like that.
Even though,
Bang Iga himself is like,
I'm not that close to you.
I'm close to you.
I'm like that, bro.
Because
because my weakness is
the overthinking feeling
that really, really
poisons me.
So, as much as possible,
I start something,
whatever it is,
if possible,
don't ever hurt
people's feelings.
So,
when
I do something,
I feel like
the people around me
are proud
of me.
Actually, that's it.
If I, personally,
I don't know
how my brother,
like,
thinks about it.
But,
this is the best thing
I've ever done.
It must be this.
Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.
Best.
Here, Jack.
There's a question
from my previous guest.
Please read the question.
Then,
you also read
who asked.
There are two?
One, one.
What is the importance
of personal experience
or personal experience
in writing a song?
Ardhito Pramono.
Dito.
What is the importance
of personal experience?
It's important.
In my opinion,
as important
as...
If I think about it,
people,
whether they are
songwriters
or
painters
or whatever,
the more
they have a lot of experience,
the sharper that person is.
In my opinion.
That's why I always
listen to
whatever
people say
who are older than me.
Whether it's
their age is
a month,
I listen to it.
Especially if their age
is a few years older.
I definitely listen to that.
The important thing
in songwriting is
the feeling
of being honest
when we
have experience.
It's like
a song.
I was shot
by the police
and all that.
But you never feel it.
The feeling must be different.
That's the important thing.
Maybe.
Okay.
Now, please write
the question
for my next guest.
Write the question
and sign it
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