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This is the 30 minute TV version of Jan Jekielek’s interview with Yoram Ettinger. The longer-form version was released on Epoch TV on April 15, 2025.
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In the 1980s and 1990s, Ettinger held a number of high-profile positions within Israel’s government, from minister of congressional affairs in D.C. to director of its press office. A now retired insider and expert on U.S.–Israel relations, he regularly advises Israel and America’s legislators, and produces a weekly newsletter challenging conventional wisdom on Middle East affairs.
“The State Department probably still is under the delusion that the U.S. has a choice between Arab countries that abide by human rights and Arab countries that do not abide by human rights,” says Ettinger. “The choice is between pro-American Arab regimes that violate human rights or anti-American Arab regimes that violate human rights.”
In this episode, Yoram Ettinger dives into key realities of the U.S.–Israel relationship that are poorly understood, and the global threat posed by the Iranian regime.
“The early pilgrims and the Founding Fathers, to a large extent, viewed themselves as the modern-day chosen people. They viewed this country as the modern-day Promised Land, and they considered the manner in which Moses governed the Jewish people to be the foundation for the system which they established: the separation of powers, and later on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights,” says Ettinger.
CHAPTER TITLES
0:00:01 - Iranian Terrorist Cells in the US: A Growing Threat
0:00:25 - Ambassador Yoram Ettinger: Background and Expertise
0:00:51 - State Department's Misconceptions about Arab Regimes
0:01:36 - US-Israel Relationship: Cultural and Strategic Foundations
0:09:21 - Defense Industry Collaboration: A Two-Way Street
0:10:04 - Military Aid and Economic Impact
0:16:46 - Israel's Role in American Geopolitical Strategy
0:21:17 - Facing Islamic Terrorism: A Mutual Challenge
0:22:19 - Final Thoughts: Embracing Inconvenient Realities
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more and more Iranian supported
anti-American Islamic terrorist cells
are established on US soil with the aim
of eliminating key American personnel
and institutions and installations this
has been the Ayatollah's vision from day
one in the 1980s and 1990s Ambassador
Yuram Ettinger held a number of
high-profile positions within Israel's
government from its minister of
congressional affairs in DC to director
of its press office a now retired
insider and expert on USIsrael relations
he regularly advises Israel and
America's legislators and produces a
weekly newsletter challenging
conventional wisdom on Middle East
affairs the State Department still is
under the delusion that the US is a
choice between Arab countries that abide
by human rights and Arab countries that
do not abide by human rights the choice
is between pro-American Arab regimes
that violate human rights or
anti-American Arab regimes that violate
human rights in this episode we dive
into key realities of the USIsrael
relationship that are poorly understood
and the threat to both countries and
free nations more broadly posed by the
Iranian regime this is American thought
leaders and I'm Yana
Keller you're a Messenger such a
pleasure to have you on American thought
leaders thank you it's my pleasure thank
you
i often hear the Israeli US relationship
as characterized by Israel having this
inordinate influence over American
decision-making and so how do you view
the USIsrael relationship well USIsrael
relations has uh two sets of foundations
uh the first one has to do with the US
culture US political system uh which are
based largely on uh biblical uh values
and biblical legacies uh mostly what the
founding fathers refer to as the Mosaic
uh legacy and it goes back to the
arrival of the early pilgrims in
1620 before the first Jew arrived to
this country before uh the first Jewish
community was established here it had to
do with the fact that the early pilgrims
and the founding fathers to a large
extent viewed themselves as the
modernday chosen people they viewed this
country as the modernday promised uh
land and they considered the manner in
which Moses governed the Jewish people
to be a foundation for the system which
they established the separation of uh of
powers later on the constitution and the
bill of uh of rights uh this is one set
of foundation the more modern set of
foundation has to do with the critical
role played by Israel in advancing the
strategic uh interest of the US in the
Middle East and beyond it has to do with
Israel's
capabilities mostly technological
defense and commercial
capabilities which has uh have
transformed Israel into the number one
innovation center for the US commercial
high-tech and for the US defense uh
high-tech and uh in addition uh ever
since
1967 Israel was transformed from a
misperceived burden and liability upon
the US uh into a strategic asset and
more so a force multiplier for the US a
dollar multiplier for the US and in very
concrete terms battle tested laboratory
for the US defense industry and US
aerospace industry as it has been for
many many years uh Israel receives a
very critical military systems without
which we wouldn't be able to make ends
meet and for which we are immensely
grateful however this is not a one-way
street relations where the US gives and
Israel receives it's a mutually
beneficial two-way
street whereby Israel receives those
military systems and use it in the most
intense manner way way beyond the manner
which American military forces are using
American military system and as a result
of that intense use of the F-35 and the
F-16 and the F-15
and the missile launchers and the
missiles and the tanks and armed
personnel carriers etc we have
concluded multitude of lessons all of
which we share with the American
manufacturers which integrate those
lessons as upgrades into the next
generation of the American military
hardware i visited the plant in Fort
Worth Texas Loheed Martin plant which
manufactures the F-35 and the F-16 and
one of the plant
manager indicated that there is an
Israeli team on location receiving every
single day lessons learned by Israeli
pilots operational lessons maintenance
and repairs and those lessons are
integrated for instance um the cockpit
of the F-16 is roughly 50% based on
Israeli lessons the firing control of
the F-16 75% developed based on the
Israeli uh lessons and he said that
there are hundreds hundreds of such
upgrades which are derivative of the
Israeli lessons when I asked him if he
could attach a dollar value to those
upgrades his response and it's a
quote mega billion dollar bonanza to the
manufactured i asked him how do you
arrive at such a an amazing number is it
based on some facts and his response was
that the Israeli uh lessons uh shared
with the manufacturer saves Led Martin
between 10 and 20 years of research and
development and anyone who knows
anything about the cost of research and
development of combat aircraft knows
that by itself amounts to many billions
of dollars however that's only the first
stage of the benefits accorded by Israel
to the manufacturer of the F35 and the
F-16 because due to those
upgrades it has enhanced the
competitiveness of the F-35 and the F-16
in the global competition in the global
uh market and that has generated
much more export which again amounts to
billions of uh of dollars i never
visited uh the Boeing plant in St louis
Missouri the F-15 which again we receive
from the US and we use in Israel but I
assume that similar mega billion dollar
is also uh the share of uh of Boeing uh
in this mutually beneficial two-way
street type of relations and we uh enjoy
uh we benefit from hundreds of American
military systems Each one we use
intensely
uh in what I would call this structure
of battle tested uh
laboratory and that uh uh
underscores the fact that it's a two-way
street not a one-way street type of uh
relationship and you're on one quick sec
we're going to take a break and folks
we'll be right back
and we're back with author of the
Edinger Report you're a
Metinger so one of the things I've been
hearing a lot about lately about the US
let's call it the militaryindustrial
complex is that it's bloated there's
like you know too there's too much money
being fed into middlemen places that it
actually doesn't need to go it's not
paired down what you're describing i
mean it could be characterized as you
know money coming from the US taxpayer
into Israel that then goes into the
defense industrial complex would that be
an accurate way to portray it no first
of all money does not reach Israel we
get credit to buy American uh products
and we get those American uh products
and we return much more than the value
of the products which we uh receive um
we we're talking about uh an defense
industry which employs about 3 and a
half million uh people in addition to
subcontractors and the
Israeli contribution of the Israeli
lessons shared with the manufacturers
not only save billions of research and
development cost not only increase
exports by billions of dollars but also
expand and employment in the United
States in fact we cannot buy Israeli
products with a credit which is extended
by the US we must buy American uh
product but that's only uh part of the
contribution by Israel to American uh
defense national security we provide the
US with unique scope of intelligence
intelligence on countering terrorism
which has spared many American lives um
uh intercepting
uh intercepting Islamic terror attacks
on Americans in Syria Americans in
Jordan Americans in Iraq we provide
Americans intelligence on enemy and
rivals military systems we confront uh
enemies in the Middle East who use
Chinese and Russian and British and
French and and Italian and other
military systems following every clash
we share with the Americans our own
findings about those military systems
which once again has enhanced the
quality of the American military product
but also has spared American lives in
fact uh a former uh head of the US Air
Force intelligence General George Keegan
who was very enthusiastic about
expanding intelligence cooperation
between the two countries claimed that
if the US were to procure on its own the
intelligence which the US receives from
Israel then the US would have to
establish five
IAS this is one heck of return on
investment uh which is 4 500 times of
what we get uh annually in what is
wrongly referred to as foreign aid while
in fact it's an American investment in
uh in Israel we are located in a very
critical area the late General Alexander
Heg was supreme commander of NATO
Later on Secretary of State suggested
that for him Israel constitutes the
largest American aircraft carrier which
does not require a single American on
board cannot be sunk and is deployed in
the most critical area between the
Mediterranean the Red Sea the Indian
Ocean the Persian Gulf between Europe
and Asia and Africa
uh situated in an area which is the
number one epicenter of anti-American
terrorism and anti-American drug
trafficking and the late Alexander Heg
suggested that if there would not be a
Jewish state in the Middle East then the
US would have to manufacture few more
real aircraft carriers deploy them to
the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean
in addition to a few ground uh divisions
deployed to the Middle East all of which
would have cost the American taxpayer
between 10 and 20 billion dollar
annually all of which is spared by the
existence of Israel and the capabilities
of Israel in the Middle East uh we have
done the same thing when it comes to uh
the commercial high-tech in America some
250 giant high-tech uh corporations have
established in Israel research and
development centers leveraging the very
unique brain power in uh Israel which
has sustained American leadership global
leadership in the area of high-tech
recently the CEO of Intel said if not
our research and development centers in
Israel we Intel would have been
decimated by the global competition uh
CEO of Microsoft uh said that by the day
Microsoft becomes increasingly an
Israeli company because of the impact on
of the research and development centers
in Israel on Microsoft own uh product
and the same applies to irrigation where
we collaborate closely with American
companies the same applies to
agriculture the same applies ties to
health and medicine there has been very
very tight collaboration between
American and Israeli institutions and uh
and companies israel obviously has
benefited from uh the number one country
in the world uh but at the same time our
unique challenges have produced
multitude of innovations groundbreaking
uh
applications most of which we have
shared with Americans maintaining
Americans global leadership in the area
of high-tech which employs many many
millions of uh of Americans
how would you respond to And there are a
number of prominent voices that believe
this that it's actually America's
relationship with Israel that's keeping
America in the region well the the US uh
has been interested in in the Middle
East before there was a Jewish state but
more than that Islamic terrorism which
is centered in the Middle East has
targeted the USA irrespective of US
relations with Israel irrespective of US
policy uh Islamic terrorism and other
enemies of the US do not consider Israel
to be the number one uh influence on
their policy they view Israel as the
vanguard of the US in the Middle East
they view Israel and rightly so as the
most effective US beach head in the
Middle East iran's Ayatollas refer to
Israel as the little Satan while
referring to the US as the great
American Satan which tells us about the
priorities there's no zero sum game
between uh US relations with Israel and
US relations with Arabs namely
supposedly ostensibly the US is losing
uh Arab favors the more it gets closer
to uh to Israel the fact is that the US
has maintained very productive relations
with Israel and at the same time very
productive relations with Saudi Arabia
the United Arab Emirates Baharim Egypt
Jordan and all these countries in fact
have considered Israel to be an asset
rather than a liability for the Saudis
and the Amiratis and Baharin and also
Egypt and
Jordan israel has been regarded as a
power of deterrence in the face of the
threat posed by Iran's Ayatollah and the
Muslim Brotherhood the Saudis and the
Amiratis and Baharin have the machetes
of the Ayatollas and the Muslim
Brotherhood at their throat and they
look around and ask themselves who can
we rely on well uh sometime they can
rely on the US depending on the tenant
in the White House uh does the tenant uh
uh try to appease the Ayatollas or is
the tenant facing the Ayatollas very
decisively um so the US sometimes is
reliable as far as they are concerned
sometime not so reliable uh they have
written off the Europeans because the
Europeans have lost their will to flex a
muscle against Islamic terrorism every
single relatively moderate Arab regime
has the machetes of terrorists at their
throat the only country upon which they
can rely to an extent has been Israel
and therefore American ties with Israel
are not at the expense of America
American ties with the Arabs because the
Arabs realize Israel serves as a major
line of
defense of the Hasheite regime in Jordan
the pro-American Hasheite regime in
Jordan israel has developed pretty close
defense ties with Saudi Arabia the same
goes for the king of Morocco who highly
respects Israel's
uh capabilities in combating uh
combating terrorism and and the the
bottom line is that when it comes to
facing Islamic terrorism US and Israel
and the pro- US Arab countries are
facing a mutual enemy well Yoram this
has been an absolutely fascinating
discussion a final thought as we finish
well final uh thought as I have always
believed uh it's incumbent upon western
policy makers to refrain from
sacrificing the inconvenient frustrating
reality on the altar of very convenient
very appealing alternate reality because
alternate reality has led the world to
disasters as we saw in the precond world
war as we have seen in the pre-
ascension of the Ayatollas to power in
uh in Iran the western world would be
better off sticking with inconvenient
reality than falling into the trap
suicidal trap of alternate reality
well Yura Meter it's such a pleasure to
have had you on thank you very much my
pleasure and uh and uh my uh certainly
deep satisfaction
thank you all for joining your Etener
and me on this episode of American
Thought Leaders i'm your host Yana
Kellik