Why China is More Dangerous Than Russia: Rep. Rich McCormick

they're not the same as Russia they're much more dangerous the way they've cheated since they joined the World Trade Organization about 20 years ago by uh stealing Secrets by subverting everything that's good in the United States Congressman Rich McCormick sees communist China as America's greatest external threat we now are in a new Evolution of warfare where we're heavily reliant on Technologies uh this has changed conventional Warfare forever he's a decorated veteran who served over 20 years in the US Marine Corps and US Navy as a opter pilot and a Marine Corps officer as a lawmaker he has co-sponsored legislation to challenge the ccp's rampant economic Espionage and Tech influence campaigns and a resolution to formally recognize Taiwan before taking office he was an emergency room physician and treated covid-19 patients the trouble is when the government starts to Define what's truth and what's moral and what's right they can use any emergency to take control of your life I was labeled as a quack or as somebody who should be removed from my licensing because what I said wasn't the same as the governor this is American thought leaders and I'm yane [Music] Kell Congressman Rich McCormack such a pleasure to have you on American thought leaders it's great to be with you today thanks for having me so recently uh three US Army soldiers were indicted for spying uh for the CCP for the Chinese Communist Party what's your reaction we've had this problem in the past with Russia you can see we have a new peer adversary uh China has taken the Plus place of Russia is our greatest adversary greatest threat uh they're on par with us militarily uh they have a greater population they're closing the Gap with us on GDP so in other words as an economic power much more powerful than Russia ever was when you make the side by-side comparisons we used to be worried about Russia remember we were competing with them and we used to have Reagan talk about Russia and the USSR collectively the USSR was never on par with us they didn't have the the ability to have an economic Powerhouse like China does they didn't have the military that actually match up with us like China does uh if you look at the gdps comparatively uh Russia has a GDP roughly the size of Texas by itself $2 trillion to compare that to Europe which has about 20 trillion economy compared to the United States which has a $27 trillion economy uh this whole idea that Russia can invade Ukraine and not lose drastically is ridiculous I mean combined we have a $47 trillion economy now I understand Ukraine has about 1 the population about 12th the uh the economy but when supported by two great uh forces we should be able to deal with Russia in short order not just militarily but economically uh make it very difficult for them to to proceed in this war in the same way with China they're not the same as as Russia they're they're much more dangerous the way they've tra cheated since they joined the World Trade Organization about 20 years ago by tripling their their economy by uh stealing Secrets by subverting uh everything that's good in the United States it's just manifested in this uh new spy rig we used to do this with Russia all the time now China is our main enemy uh we should be wary that first of all it's not just the those service members that should be prosecuted but China should also be punished for what they've done oh that's very interesting I mean let's let's look at a few other things um recently there were 12 hackers that were indicted uh for work over something like SE at least SE a seven-year period against defense intelligence agency you know Department of Commerce us the epoch times um you know M multiple and they're still at large from what we know and that's the hard thing to do we we have some really neat cyber security going on right now I'm actually on the cyber security uh subcommittee and armed services uh also was on the AI Tas force uh watching a marine with a computer actually go to war is really cool when I was growing up I didn't even have a computer when I went through college the entire time with no computer learned how to use a computer in the Marine Corps which is a dangerous thing but now we have these guys who are cyber Security Experts uh Marines who literally go to war with foreign adversaries and take down cells I I think it's really cool but uh this is a dangerous place we're going to have Quantum Technologies come online we're having developed uh AI you can see what uh China did in that uh Arena recently making it very cheap it's not better but it's cheaper and it's going to revolutionize the way we do production on AI and AI chips uh but they are once again not friendly to us these guys are trying to do us harm but you know what about you know know deep seek being available on you know I don't know how many Americans have downloaded that onto their phones is there a DC an issue with that heck yeah think about what they what they're putting on their phone just like Tik Tok they can track where you are what you do what you get online with uh the reason we got rid of Tik Tok is not only is that uh collect valuable information from your personal information but it also tries to influence you it guides you to whatever their truth is they're going to try to control the truth confuse us confound the issues and deceive the American public on what the truth is but Congressman on the question of Tik Tok the jury seems still out like so that's confounding to me too I I'll say we made a law the Senate confirmed this the president signed it into law I don't care if it's Biden Trump anybody we made a law we did it for a reason because Tik Tok is not a good actor it's owned and essentially influenced by the CCP to influence our children not to become scientists not to educate us but to make them into influencers influencers based on what standard on anybody who supports a Chinese agenda and not just Chinese I'm talking about the CCP agenda so if you want to be an influencer you have to agree with their their defaults which means that you're an influencer now for the CCP shame on us for doing anything that would support that now I get it it could be useful to president Trump but you know what not at without a cost and to me this isn't about a president this isn't about the influence of one person it's about an influence of a very bad actor that owns the the uh the Tik Tock brand and that is the CCP we need to get away from it and get away from it fast and we need to make laws that are more comprehensive to keep them from coming up with other Technologies and other uh venues to get through to our children and own our populace and influence them in very bad ways well to your point uh Congressman you know people argue that deep sea could be all that that much more influential even and than than something like Tik Tok assuming it's used at the same scale absolutely because it's not just about advertising it's just not about entertainment you actually go there as a reference and when they can control what the truth is when they can say oh no this is reference material this is what's true now all of a sudden you warp the truth and the truth I've always said truth is what sets you free right when you can have a discussion about what's right and what's wrong what's truthful and what's not whether it be philosophical legal scientific you control the populace and that's how Communists rule as they deceive you from the truth and when they deceive you from the truth you make bad decisions one of the things I noticed is that you were actually practicing medicine during covid and you were doing types of treatments that were not according to the you know sort of official requirements and narratives yet were very valuable to many people you probably saved at least a few people's lives along the way so we we need we need to have a a kind of a menu because there's no one person that can decide I guess how do you view that well that's what I went to war with fouchy if anybody's seen you know look it up mccormic versus fouchy in the in the hearings he literally said in interviews if you don't do what the government says is right that sounds very communistic by the way uh then we will close your business we'll make it difficult for you to have a business we'll make it difficult for you to get an education for you to travel for you to be anything and that's when government takes control they can use any emergency to take control of your life and then they become the standard bearer of Science of health of truth of morality uh and when the TR the trouble is when the government starts to Define what's truth and what's moral and what's right then they get to control your business business who you hire who you fire how you invest your money I mean this this just happened recently where they decided if you're not part of the green uh movement then you should be divested from as as an investor and it hurt people who are investing even their life savings in uh if you don't invest in what the government says it's truth we'll disband you we'll we'll get you out of medicine we'll take away your credentials which they tried to do with me because I challenged their whole premise on uh wearing masks or getting vaccinations not because I was anti-scientific as a matter of fact everything that I said turned out to be true but I was concerned I was I was labeled as a quack or as somebody who should be um removed from my licensing because what I said wasn't the same as the government why does some guy in the government who doesn't even treat patients who's not even there on the front lines developing the technology developing the treatments that work the best based on scientific research on application real world application why am I not the expert instead they said no I was a doctor 20 years ago but I'm in government now I I decide what's the truth if I say the the government should should make you get a a vaccination then by God you better do it or I'll make your life miserable that's what that whole debate between me and fouy was about and we expose who he was and guess what he also made a lot of money off of that and that's wrong and so we wanted to expose all that and and um I'm glad we did and I think the fact that Biden pardoned him before we even charged him shows tells you everything you need to know I mean I think that's that's egregious and and I hate to see that because now we have no accountabil so Congressman going back to Tik Tok and algorithms I think the The crucial issue is sort of who controls the algorithm but in the end isn't it true that whoever does control the algorthm kind of controls the truth don't they I mean I what what's your thought fact that's exactly what I'm fighting against I want to make sure that that it's not contrived by CCP that they don't get to tell us based on their cheap algorithm that let's say the majority of Americans start using this this cheap AI which is not better it's just cheap now it doesn't cost me anything to download just to and to to jump in I've I've had experts on who tell me that that is also a subterfuge that that is not actually cheaper this is just what they they sold conveniently to my why I I I'm still I'm still the jury's out for me on that I'm still figuring that out well the fact of the matter it doesn't cost you any money to download some other chat GPT or whatever whatever I'm not here to advertise anybody but the fact is we have plenty of American designed technologies that were are superior and what the cost is nothing to anybody to the average consumer you're not costing yourself more money by using a different venue this is just advertisement by the Chinese government trying to come up with some contrived idea that their their product is better it's not it's inferior actually because it's controlled by a government you don't want a government to control the truth you don't want a government control the messaging you don't want a government to guide you to where you're going you want the truth that's what this is supposed to be AI is supposed to take you to where the best information the most useful information is it should be contrived based on useful and truthfulness not on something that's going to benefit a foreign National adversarial government and Congressman just one quick sec we're going to take a break and we'll be right back folks and we're back with us Congressman for Georgia Rich mccormic so recently actually because of our deepo times because of our own uh investigation X took down a whole bunch of uh uh these basically fake accounts that were boosting New York times hit pieces against shenyun which you saw recently as well as as I understand it and also combined with you know bomb threats at Kennedy Center just before you actually attended and bom PS in many other American cities how do you how do you view this well when you think about why would they even worry about something that's basically entertainment because it tells a story anybody who's been to that dance that entertainment realizes there's a story of the culture that existed before there was communism before there was control of the people when you had uh to rely on communities on a on a tradition uh on all the things that we as as people vest our our heritage in it's threatening to their government when a community gets to self-determine when you're relying on family or spirituality that's kind of what the whole dance is about the whole the whole as you watch it play out and by the way some beautiful dancing there some beautiful special effects tells a story about these relationships that develop and how the culture is Rich and beautiful has nothing to do with the government it's not about the government what does the CCP want they want things that enforce their power that they're the saviors not a community not not a divineness not a human Spirit but that the government's what's all powerful and that's why they're threatened by this because you notice that any government that wants to be in power whether it be a dictatorship a monarchy whatever it is they have to defeat the religion first or make sure the religion's in step with their uh rule uh because otherwise it threatens their rule when when God can be more powerful than them they don't want it they want the government to supplant morality created by religion they want the authority to be supplanted by government not by religion not by family not by Community not by church but by government government becomes the end all Beall to all answers and we're having a problem with that in the United States right now people keep on saying well I need to turn the government to solve my problems so you've given up on your family you've given up on your community you've given up on the community that that you were born and r weird in that you don't want that to solve the problem you want the government to be your answer and that's I wouldn't say it's just lazy it's actually very dangerous because once you give up power to a government to solve your problems now they have say so over you just like if I'm GNA if I'm going to pay for your college guess what I have control over your life whether I be a government or a parent I always said to my sons if you can pay for your college guess what you can make all your decisions now let's talk about Taiwan okay um I think you've argued that the US should officially say yes Taiwan is its own country and there's traditionally been a lot of ambigu there's this policy of strategic ambiguity around this issue you know even though obviously Taiwan has been its own country for a very long time so why why would you argue to do that now to make it explicit the same reason that Trump went out on Limb and and recognized Israel and Jerusalem is the capital and and did the things that he needed to do to shore up somebody who's a friend somebody who's an ally uh Taiwan is strategically important to us not just because they produce all those great chips and at tsmc but because of that strategic location that geographic location with those Straits where 70% of the world's traded wealth goes through every year where 70% of the world's population is centered around that that geographical area and and um and what it means to us to make sure that that that country remains independent um why not not pick a winner and a loser why not stand up to them this is why I believe in a strong military and deterrence because I know it's very hard I mean as much as I think China is powerful and on a peer relationship and I don't want to have a nuclear war I want to have a deterrent so that they realize that an amphibious assault take it from a marine is not an easy thing to do when you have a giant Island like that who's well prepared that is a bristling defense and you could really hurt yourself financially and strategically economically and and any other way I want to make sure that quity is strong that we have Japan India Australia New Zealand all on the same team not to mention South Korea I want to make sure that China has a bunch of people in that area that make sure that they feel like you know if I do something out line that doesn't fit with the world view of peace and and prosperity then I'm going to be punished for it I want them to feel that that economically it would be a huge hit on them if they do that they're going to have permanent sanctions until they they reverse course I want to make sure that militarily they suffer dramatic casualties by invading a otherwise peaceful country that's been independent from them since the beginning of their their their existence since the Chinese government was established Taiwan was established at the same time why do you think you have perview over this country when you're established essentially the same time that's that's not logical thinking we realize that um it doesn't mean that Taiwan can't exist and and be Prosper uh have a lot of prosperity independently without being recognized and I would say the same thing to people in Gaza by the way you don't have to be recognized as a country to be prosperous look at Taiwan but if taiwan's taken over by China and look at what happened in Hong Kong that's just a microcosm of what would happened to Taiwan plus the devastation of a military attack there the the who knows how many people would die how how many businesses would be forever changed there would be no profitability anymore and they would control your destiny from that point on just like they do with everywhere else in China you know you actually co-sponsored uh it's the economic Espionage prevention act along with uh chairman mullinar from the CCP committee and I I wanted to talk a little bit about that um obviously highly relevant to this issue we we just discussed but um you've you you did this in the previous Congress you're reintroducing now it didn't make it what's in there what's important there well so when we look at how Russia's um propagated this War and what they've done we now are in a new Evolution of warfare where we're heavily reliant on Technologies uh this has changed conventional Warfare forever now we still have nuclear war to worry about I'm I'm very concerned with that anybody who looks at the the mutual annihilation of what happens if if there's any sort of nuclear launch we don't Mutual is sure destruction that's right and that's been always the the preventive measure we've never had two nuclear fight uh Powers fight each other ever it just hasn't happened we've had these proxy wars whether it be through Iraq Vietnam Korea you name it we've had lots of proxy wars but we've never had Direct intervention between two nuclear Powers because that that fear actually uh so it comes back to Conventional Warfare when conventional Warfare now has evolved with this AI technology with these chips that are involved in these drones look at what happened in the Black Sea look at how ships basically driven off by drones by by missile systems that are controlled by new technologies Russia has had this huge uptick uh overd doubled their their chip consumptions and where has it been provided for them China is proxies uh we control AI we control the chip industry we should be punishing people that's what the SPN Act is all about is punishing those Bad actors who are passrs uh from China or anybody else uh for those technologies that are funding the war this this is a problem I have I don't care if it's India I don't care if it's anybody who should be our friend who who's funding or supplying Russia with either funds or technologies that that propagate this war we should make it very very difficult on not only Russia but all those Bad actors who are supporting Russia in those ways so out of curiosity you know president Trump seems to be very set on coming up with a peaceful solution between Russia and Ukraine how do you view that well great if if he can bring people to the table I mean I think nobody's going to be happy with whatever that compromise is and that's usually the best compromise right mediation anybody who's been through a divorce understands that nobody's happy at the end uh everybody feels like they've kind of got a bad deal and that means you got a a reasonable deal and now I I happen to think that uh Russia's the bad actor here they invaded a peaceful country a border that was been established long before most of us were around uh in 1994 when they lost they left the USSR we promised them that we' protect them uh in the The Budapest Accords in which they gave up their nuclear arms I think it's a bad precedence to say that uh in the future anybody who gives up their nuclear arms won't be protected because look what we just did you may you give your word you keep it I always told my sons if they went up for sport I get it you may not like it but you gave your word you're sticking from that whole season because you gave your word this is basic stuff we teach our kids uh if you make a promise you fulfill it uh Russia invaded that country a country that voted by I think about 90% who votes 90% on any issue they voted by about 90% to leave the USSR and that you can say oh this part of the country likes their Russians speaking they they like Russian more but you could say the same thing about parts of the United States that a large portion of the community speak Spanish and they're from Mexico does that mean we give back to Mexico because they want to or do you say no we don't do that we had a civil war over these sort of things where we decided that just because you think differently from me doesn't mean you can just leave me uh I know that some people want Texas to peel off and some people want California to peel off and you can State the pros and cons of that but quite frankly uh Ukraine has the right to self-determine and and I hate that that Russia get their way in any way shape or form because they're bad actors they're not for the United States they're not friends uh but president Trump has been really good at foreign policy uh brilliantly as a matter of fact I I've been very impressed by what he's been able to accomplish so far I think the Abraham Accords were worthy of probably a Nobel Peace Prize a lot more so than anything Obama received it for uh he actually created lasting peace in that region uh like nobody else has in the past uh I thought it was amazing and I hope he can do something similar in in this um piece of chords where he comes to some conclusion where where uh we establish something that's going to benefit the United States and Ukraine simultaneously and tie us closer together both both economically and militarily well Congressman mccormic a a final thought is be finished one team one fight I I think the thing that United States represents very well is that we we epitomize Freedom uh it's imperfect we make mistakes along the way but as long as the people control their own destiny that it's not the government deciding what's right and wrong for you uh deciding what's moral for you deciding what you do with your business as long as we protect those individual freedoms we'll continue to be The Shining Light and the prosperous nation that we've always been and we'll uh set the pace for everybody else and and if I may comment just very briefly you know I think The Testament to that is you know despite all the you they say warts and all right all the all the kind of problems most of the world still kind of agrees with what you just said which is why they would like to come here I think so and I think people the famous saying is democracy is the worst kind of government except every other kind uh it's frustrating it's slow uh but it's at least representative well Congressman mccormic it's such a pleasure to have had you on likewise always a pleasure to be with you thank you all for joining Congressman Rich McCormack and me on this episode of American thought leaders I'm your host Yan Kell [Music]