No Chemicals, No Vaccines, No Subsidies: Inside Joel Salatin’s Farming Revolution | CLIP

[Music] why are egg prices so high give me the rundown well the egg prices are high because in the last 24 months the US has killed 16 166 million chickens most of them have been egg layers there have been a few a few meat chickens and a few turkeys but but basically it's been egg layers in the last 24 months maybe a million of them have been sick the great majority of them have not been sick and we don't even know if they were sick and got better or if they if their immune system was better and they just didn't get sick or if they would have eventually gotten sick we don't even ask those kind of questions uh because our policy is a stamp out policy if there's one chicken in a flock every chicken dies even the even the the ones the survivors and there's not been a single flock in the world that has had a 100% sickness rate even the worst flocks um have only gone to 90% so 10% have been survivors as a person as a farmer uh and and somebody who you know cares about whatever you know genetic adaptation um the worst thing you ever want to do when you have a sickness is kill the survivors you want to breed them so that you eventually get better imunological function so we've done reporting on this obviously i think it was on the front page of our national edition last week and the response was you know that there's a regret in doing the calling but there just isn't a better policy i mean that that that's what we that's what we've heard so there are numerous um alternatives surfacing um hypocchlorous is one uh CDS is one uh there are some homeopathic remedies but the USDA refuses to study any of these because they're completely beholden to the pharmaceutical companies and and this whole thing has made me question just how much power to the pharmaceutical companies have uh when when there are are efficacious alternatives that that can't even see the light of day maybe just start by explaining what these alternatives are well these are um antimicrobials uh antivirals they're used primarily in slaughter houses for you know if you're organic certified you don't want to use chlorine and real you know toxic um antimicrobials these have become darlings in that uh this stuff you can drink it i mean we're we're we're back to a very similar uh similar narrative as COVID you know when Ivamect and hydroxychloricquin were you know demonized uh and and we're seeing the same thing with this with this bird flu there are there are other other things and and interestingly virtually all the medical doctors uh who were censored and deplatformed uh who who dared to question Dr fouchy during COVID uh are all in agreement as far as I know everyone I've seen they're all in agreement that we shouldn't be killing the survivors you know we should be cultivating those and and breeding those there's a kind of a a bird flu working group that's been convened in kind of high levels and I'm part of that uh working group and um uh one of the things that I've brought to that group is not only let's not kill the survivors which everybody's pretty much in agreement on but the other thing is to allow the owner of the chickens to determine the remedy right now if government agents discover bird flu on your premises even one chicken among a 100 thousand all the birds are they they kind of go out of your hands you know it it and in fact in our regulatory environment they talk about my chickens being part of the national flock or my cows being part of the national herd this is new terminology in the last 20 years that now permeates our government documents as opposed to the farmer's chickens the farmers cows or the ranchers cows uh now we have this corn this kind of um collectivist socialistic uh lingo uh permeating the um the documents and so what I've suggested is how about we we allow the owner of the chicken to determine the remedy okay all right so I've got a I've got a bird or birds with uh bird flu maybe I want to write it out because a lot of flocks there's one or two but then it doesn't go any farther you know it just it just doesn't so so there are examples of that absolutely absolutely yeah yeah and where where like I hadn't heard of that so you know well there's there's everything from you know from 5% to 90% so maybe I want to ride it out you know I'll take the risk and you don't have to pay me for the dead birds i'll you know I'll take the response i'll take the loss uh maybe I want to try one of these other you know kind of alternative antimicrobial antiviral uh you put them in the drinking water okay maybe I want to try that maybe I want to do a homeopathic remedy something else u but but let the owner of the chicken determine what to do there is zero efficacy for this mass slaughter of the healthy birds there is zero efficacy here's the thing yeah um Dr zack Bush talks about this a lot all beings in nature from viruses to microbes to chickens to humans all beings in trees all beings in nature are adapting i mean we're not we're not m we're not machines we're not car you know a car a car doesn't adapt hot day cold day flu thunderstorm car doesn't adapt it just you know it's a hunk of metal it sits there whereas living things do adapt we know that from epigenetics and DNA we know that we adapt and uh I mean that's why you know Eskimos can handle so much colder uh than than a person in the tropics you know they go to the Eskimos and freeze to death and the Eskimos come to the tropics to the equator and you know are hot so we do we do adapt and nature adapts and so this idea uh of of of killing all the surviving birds it deprivives our chickens of being able to adapt to the virus in other words the virus is trying to get stronger you know it wants to it's a predator it wants to kill let's say and the chicken well it wants to survive and so you have this you have this tension this is the way all things are you have these tensions and and both of them are trying to adapt if we if we kill the surviving chickens we've now deprived our poultry from their genetic adaptivity to the to the virus so all we hear all the time from the industry is well you the virus is mutating oh it's a mutating virus you got Well chickens mutate too so allowing nature to to adapt and and be malible like it is uh to me makes a lot more sense in letting letting the dynamic order and the spontaneity of adaptation of living beings to express itself why did they call you a lunatic well I I took on that mantra uh years and years ago because I was getting so much heat from the conventional agriculture system you know we use compost not chemicals we don't vaccinate we don't medicate uh we we again we move the animals around they get salvadar they have an immune system and so I was getting so much heat from the you know conventional system i mean I was called a bioteterrorist i've been called you know typhoid Mary a starvation advocate because we all know that if we quit using chemicals you know we'd all half of us would die there wouldn't be enough food and so uh after one particularly um whatever aggressive phone call I hung up i remember I was sitting there and I said "Well uh I can either be depressed and frustrated about this or hey let's have fun with it let's embrace it." Sure I'm a lunatic let's have fun with it and I I I just grabbed that mantra and it stuck and uh and now I realize that that was a a stroke of genius because if you Google lunatic farmer there is not another lunatic farmer on the planet it's pretty cool to come up with a moniker that nobody else uses and nobody else has ever come up with so um so that that's so I have fun with it of course of course I'm a lunatic and and um and it it allows you to to enjoy enjoy the tension rather than whatever you know feel angry vengeful uh or you know upset about it you know as as you're discussing this I I can't help but think of your book um everything I want to do is illegal right right sounds like this in when you were in the throws of this you got your moniker right yeah yeah uh the I mean that that's that is also lunacy i mean u if you if you think about the um secretary of agriculture Brooke Rollins recent fivepoint plan to you know deal with uh bird flu one of those points is to completely shut down or or restrict visit visitors on farms well we believe very strongly that people should be able to go visit their food i mean look if you've got to put on a hazmat suit and walk through sheep dip to go visit your food you might not want to eat it and so uh we have a very open door policy we want city people to come and see how we raise chickens how we do pigs how we do cows so this this kind of new aggressive position that nobody can come and visit a farm and every vehicle has to be sprayed off with disinfectant going in and sprayed off with disinfectant going out and this uh this is this is quite um discom you know uh uh discomforting to a place like ours that that has built our brand and our reputation on transparency i mean if if there's one thing we need in our food and farm sector and our agriculture it's not more opaqueness and hiding behind spray trucks and antimicrobials it's it's transparency letting people come and see you know how chickens are raised and see what's going on i would suggest that if we if we had more transparency maybe we'd have better farming so one of our staff is a big fan of the Jeremy Clarkson uh show and uh she mentioned to me actually that that she you know he's been inspired by you apparently and just to tell me a bit about your relationship well I've been at this a long time and I'm I'm just grateful and blown away by the number of people I run into now around the world who have have read my I mean I've been I I've written 16 books number 17's coming out this year and I've been doing this a long time i mean the first my first little pastorred poultry manual came out in 1991 it's hard to believe that it's been way over 30 years since that first um manual came out on on how to how to have a smallcale profitable uh pastured pastured uh meat chicken enterprise broilers i travel the world and speak at conferences the tribe if I may use the term the tribe that is in this space and when I say this space I mean the space that says let's not use chemicals let's not use uh pharmaceuticals let's raise animals and plants um in a more natural order uh that that group of people is fairly small it's a small tribe and and so what happens when when you start down that that path uh you know you run into people the same kind of people and so I I know that my my writing and my columns and my speaking have gone whatever far beyond what I could imagine and I'm just thrilled i have just so many testimonial letters you know you I was able to quit my time my town job and come back to the farm full-time thanks you know thanks to your um your teaching your models and that's that's really gratifying here