Libs of TikTok and Peachy Keenan on Feminism | Real Talk

that's how Liv of Tik Tok was born they were shocked out of their minds people had never seen this you were basically a leftist right 100% I escaped faminm by the skin of my teeth you have built for us a window into America's culture it kind of felt like I was warning people if you teach your children there's only two genders you are going to be potentially arrested and have your children taken away from you the people who are benefiting from feminism are the big corporations doesn't help the women we're in a population collapse people are not having children oh it's a cult feminist it's a cult it's a religion we can't afford to sit on the sidelines and hope that the problem's going to go away the two of you women are some of my favorite people on social media um I think that your moving mountains uh lives of Tik Tock peachy Keenan I just cannot wait for people to hear what you have to say uh just just briefly I like to call us troublemakers but we're causing trouble in the best way possible in places where trouble needs to be had and um you know they call us all kinds of names domestic extremist I'm a white Christian nationalist Barbie as you can see I own it proudly um and I think that's another thing about the two of you is that you're not afraid of of the attacks and I think that once you free yourself from being afraid of of the labels you actually become free and you're able to live truth and speak truth uh you're able to show and tell and so this is going to be such a fast fascinating and important conversation and I think people are going to learn so much about it um so let's start with you haa uh I know people would love to know a little bit more uh about Libs of Tik Tok who are you and how did you start this account Libs of Tik Tok which is probably one of the fastest growing social media accounts I've seen so I uh grew up right here in LA and I have no background in journalism or in politics or in media I was a real estate agent uh in New York and then Co happened and you know the the industry basically shut down I found myself back in La uh just kind of waiting it out and that's when I started being like maybe I should start paying attention to what is happening around me to what is happening in DC you know there are these people who are making these decisions for me that I have no income and that I can't leave my home that I can't go to synagogue um and and I feel like something's wrong with that I started following the news I had never followed the news before were you like a political person no I'm I was never political my family was never political I just started like following paying attention and I noticed that these like Tik Tok videos would go viral on Twitter and it was mainly um the like covid related you know like the dancing nurses and uh randomly there would be these Tik toks now you go on Twitter and all you see are Tik toks but back then um there there was just like a few random and I was like oh let me go see what what Tik Tok is so I downloaded it and uh I was amazed I I it was very entertaining it's very addicting and I I was like oh these videos are really funny so I started just sharing basically Co related videos so it was like uh people getting kicked out for not wearing masks and people putting up fouchy statues in their homes and the vaccine songs I'm sure everyone remember those good old days I'm gonna get PTSD I like the days we tried to forget will never forgive yeah exactly um but there but you have to admit the videos are funny I mean they're entertaining I mean at least I thought that so I was like you know I you know I got to share the walf so I started posting this to Twitter and people really liked it like because it is very funny and entertaining the you know the more people liked it the more I I posted so in just like a second I was just like oh Libs of Tik Tok like why Libs why Libs because they were Libs I like it's like videos of Libs from Tik toks so it's just Libs of Tik Tok it just so there's no like branding session or anything like that you just like came to you there was no s tank and and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars Consulting and and a marketing company it was just me um sitting in my house probably on my couch and I'm just like lives of Tik Tok um so that's how Liv of Tik Tok was born and then uh I mean once I was on Tik Tok so much finding like I said just covid stuff uh I started seeing all this other content and that's really when I started getting alarmed because you had all these teachers and and and the doctors and the activists and um just like the the sheer like mental illness that was on display was just so shocking to me so I started sharing some of those videos and uh to me it just it felt uh it felt I felt like America didn't know how bad the situation was and it kind of felt like I was warning people and I felt that was important so I just started sharing it and then you know the account just grew and grew and exploded I started sharing more and more stuff I started getting messages from people you know can you help me expose this um the the amount of support I got was incredible because you know people had never seen this and and I think uh they were shocked out of their minds it was also I think very validating for a lot of people because yeah a lot of these mothers knew that something was off in the schools especially coming straight out of Coen when they saw the classroom with their own eyes you know on their kids computer in in their house and they saw something was wrong and then I come along and I share this content and they're like oh something is wrong something is seriously wrong with our education system uh so so I think the the content really was validating for a lot of people and also very shocking and and that really contributed to the growth of it it's like you have built for us a window into America's culture that's what you've done where you you you pick all the stuff and you're able to allow us to see sometimes things that the media doesn't want it to want us to see sometimes frankly things that we don't want to see but you know you're you're putting it in front of us and and eventually you know some of us realize that we really have to react and do something about it I'm curious you're a couple of years into this company it's is it like a is it a company is that what you would call it a compan do you have employees and like how does it function what what are you doing all day so basically all day I I get tons of messages I get I get thousands of messages a week so I try to sift through all the messages through where through Tik Tok are you on Tik Tok no I was banned from Tik Tok you're banned from Tik Tok so Libs of Tik Tok is banned from Tik Tok uh and so you do your research on Tik Tok separately through like separate account or something yeah like a burner and then so how do people get in touch with you when we when they want you to expose something so Twitter Jam Instagram DMS emails um it's just it's like it's thousands and I have some help with going through it and with research um so I do have some assistance it's basically I mean for me it's just 247 or actually 246 because I go offline for saat well we're gonna convince you to also pick some time so you can start dating and we can find you a good husband we'll get we'll get into wait until peachy gets started here um but yeah it's basically uh like at this point I I feel very very strongly and passionate about the mission that livs of Tik Tok is doing so and and the the more I put into it uh the more good comes out of it so I I spend as much time as I can basically uh going through messages and just trying to help people share their stories um listening to people's concerns and um yeah I always occasionally something comes up like uh you know dodging some claims that I'm a murderer um or um trying to convince people that I never called in bomb threats to schools um so there's also a little bit of that which adds some spice how do you how do you so how do you monetize and how do you pay for that is there is it ad ad dollars yeah so we do we do ad dollars I have a subscription based newsletter um lives of Tik tok.com and that's run through substock um I wrote a kids book uh I do some I do some speaking gigs um now with with Twitter's ad rev share has helped a lot but it's really um there there's no uh big dollars behind it it's 100% Grassroots and I have a lot of support from my followers who just really appreciate what I'm doing one of the things that the two of you have in common is that you both realize that you need to be very careful you're stepping into this Arena where people are going to attack you and so you you started as Libs of Tik Tok you didn't use your actual name and peachy Keenan I don't know if people know this but and if I'm allowed to say this but you're your your name is not really peachy Keenan right that's right breaking news I'm shocked what's your name I actually don't know well we're we're not to say but like you wanted to keep your name confidential but then you got doxed yeah so it started out anonymously and not for any specific reason uh it was just um I don't know like I just didn't see a reason to ever put my name or face out there in general I I'm kind of like a private person so ever since I was dos like everything that happened after that is a little bit unnatural for me um but I never even dreamed of like putting putting a picture of myself out for the public it's just very it's not my it doesn't come natural to me at all so so I wanted to keep it private Anonymous a couple months in running it I I started seeing the absolute ha hatred of the left experiencing it firsthand I was like okay I think I it's smart to keep this Anonymous um because I mean they are just absolutely vile um and then you know about a year a year in um the reporter from The Washington Post Taylor leun showed up at my house so uh and then you know as we know uh released my name um and uh basically docks me and then everyone knew everyone knew who I was the the the hatred that I got obviously only intensified wow um and the rest is history so she basically put your life in danger have you considered confronting her on that um I have I I would love to confront her one day um I I don't know we'll we'll see get an apology at least well we're going to see how that confrontation goes so pachy uh not your real name no um but tell us a little bit about your agenda of being a domestic extremist yes so I started writing as under a pseudonym um almost five years ago now um because I wanted I was working at um Disney and I wanted you know they could not know how I felt about things like um mothers who want to stay home and raise their own children or about politics ICS or about abortion or all these things I was not allowed to talk about it work let alone even have those very dangerous thoughts and then when I wrote the book um the the idea came to me because uh I was seeing places like the FBI targeting Trad caths and I'm a Catholic and they were you know rounding up pro-life activists and I was like that's so weird these people are being called literally domestic terrorists for going to mass and then at one Point um Merck Arland attorney general sicked his doj on parents the parents who were speaking up at um in the videos that you were posting at school boards demanding an end to ma mask mandates and they didn't want to take the vaccine and why are there why is there pornography in our library and the doj memo called those people domestic terrorists domestic extremists and I thought well that's a perfect title for a book and I like to say I'm not a domestic extremist I'm just extremely domestic and that's what gets us in trouble if you're a mom who decides to stay home you don't want to send your kids to daycare full-time you want to nurse your own children you want to take a a hand in their education you don't want them experiencing the teachers that livs of Tik Tock exposed you are a bad person you are now a criminal you don't if you teach your children guess what there's only two genders you are going to be potentially even arrested and have your children taken away from you so the title is ironic but there's a real like grain of truth to it how did you become so normal despite the fact that in California right you uh in La did you go to a fancy College um I went to an IV League College I did so you went to Ivy College you worked for Disney that's right was there like a moment where you're like wait a second I mean the world has gone upside down and I'm going to have to speak about that um well I mean there was sort of like two awaken I had because through high school and college I was sort of a basic liberal Democrat but it was my politics were very you know Skin Deep they were very shallow I didn't really pay any attention to it because you know I'm Generation X we didn't care about politics that was not what it is today this like great big reality show and then after 911 was really when I kind of kind of Awakened my like latent Patriot or whatever although now that word has a little bit of different definition and I became more of like a political conservative um but when I met my husband I was a single woman living in New York City and he was the first pro-life conservative that i' had ever not only met but been in a room with like I had never met anyone and I'd come out of college just like a basic feminist I was pro-choice my I wanted to spend my 20s you know avoiding pregnancy avoiding marriage at all costs maybe one day I didn't really care I just wanted to have fun with my friends focus on my career and really meeting him and the process of you know him wooing me and me overcoming my like oh no he he he likes guns he he thinks abortion is bad what my what my friends think I mean I really knew that dating this guy would kind of you know drive them away from me and guess what it did it it really did we had it was like you know there was crazy tension between like my Sex and the City girlfriends and my like conservative boyfriend fiance and but I just you know true love found a way and here we are now um we both converted to Catholicism and we have five children and we do all of this living in Southern California so yours is a story of you know kind changing your mind basically and you you were basically a leftist right 100% I mean you're part of that not far left but like you know a Democrat for sure I guess feminism is an interesting subject here because feminism either has taken a t turn or has fully fallen off the hill right you were a feminist yeah and all my friends were too and that was just sort of you just kind of it wasn't even that we were taught that you just absorbed it from the culture there was just no it would never even have occurred to you to not be for women's equality to think men were not necessary for a marriage to you know well marriage is an option but it's really not something that you need even if you want to have a have children the main focus was careerism I mean we just like absorbed that from the culture and it really requires at least for me it required a kind of like you know Thunderbolt sort of wake me up from that and the real you know I took my final form as like a domestic extremist really not until I had my first child I mean nothing could have prepared me to be actually experien holding this infant you know I had only been married like a year or so when we had him and I'd already gone through a miscarriage so that was sort of like oh this is wow this is real like an unborn child is a potential child like when lost that baby it really woke me up and then when I held my my son who's now he's 18 now it's very sad um I realized I didn't real I didn't know this before no one told me I love babies I had no idea I had never even held a baby since my little sister had been born many years earlier I had never even like been close to a baby and so I didn't have babies around there was no my culture my world where I lived here in you know my of coastal Elite uh west side West LA neighborhood there was no children and so it was sort of shocking and I realized what I almost missed out on I was in my early 30s and I realized okay I don't just want to have one I want to have a bunch and I have to hurry and I really feel like I I you know I escaped feminism by the skin of my teeth W do you think feminism has gotten worse and and more extreme when it comes to you know geners or Millennials that it just you know get worse from what I mean we were taught career first but still have a family right it feels to me now that that especially online but even on college campus that there is this toxic mom culture or I don't know if you've heard the the term dinks you know double income no kids and so like it's so wonderful and you talk about how so much so much of your transformation has been associated with the experience right you met the man you had the children and then you knew better but if you if you go on line and you're convinced that you never even want to meet the man because you don't need a man besides what's a man if you don't even know what a woman is right uh and like you don't even want children because children are parasites on planet Earth by the way am I exaggerating because when I say this stuff I get attacked by the media they say that I am making this up young women are not being told this stuff and I'm just completely exaggerating you're not exaggerating but they do change the wording so they'll say um women are not being told that uh they're being told something else and I think um this is kind of how they popularize this form of feminism is because the left is really good at marketing so they don't call it they don't call it what it actually is which is lonely old childless um and just you know void of any meaning they call it empowerment and freedom but that's why it's so important to to to teach people how to see through um their the left's language and they do this with everything right you know gender firming care you know let's call it what it is sex change surgeries and irreversible puberty blockers sensing kids growth um you know ban books let's call it what it is it's porn in schools and uh pictures of gay sex for middle school children so so the that's something that the left is really really good at and I think that part of what we have to do better is to educate people about that and uh dig through and reveal what what the truth actually is yeah I mean when I think about language pich I think so much about you because you just have this Whimsical way about you I mean maybe it's one of the good things that happened from you know you working for Disney right but I mean I just I I love your Twitter X account uh because you have you know these great ways of of talking about the truth in a non-intimidating way do we how do we win back this you know this this conversation the culture like even when we talk specifically when it when we're talking about one of the most important things which is male female relationships right it's it's how do we have a country if we don't have children right and if we don't have actually proper marriages and families thoughts about that that I mean that's why I wrote my book to try to um pull us out of the nose dive we are you know we're in a population collapse people are not having children I mean especially if they look at the lip of Tik Tock teachers they might think oh I don't ever want to have kids and send them to those schools so I I hope no one thinks that it's your fault go have kids just don't send them to schools exactly they think that having kids hurts the environment the carbon footprint and like to tell people the truth and I feel like um one of my one of my sort of like strategies is to sort of make this stuff fun make it funny maybe I mean there's some like dark truths here like really dark existential you know black pills that were dropping but you can kind of wrap it up in a little bit of sugar and make it entertaining and fun and for you know I live with a bunch of Zoomers and they are very good at detecting like truth from BS and they will look at some like crazy like you know the euphemisms that the left uses for things and they'll just cut be able to cut right to like what it actually is they sort of remind me of Gen X they're like a little bit cynical in that way at least the ones I know which maybe are not indicative of like all of all of gen z um but I think that it's working I mean at least for the there was a survey a few weeks ago last month about geny boys versus girls and the younger boys are actually trending much more conservative um the girls are trending way more liberal feminism has working on them like a charm and now it's in its second or even third generation these are the these are the granddaughters of the you know sort the' 60s 7s Boomer feminists and and they now yeah they don't know even what a woman is they don't know what what gender they are they don't know what sexuality they are they don't even know if they're human right they're like non vinary Furies but the boys I think are being redpilled are being more conservative because they're around these girls and they are like no like that's not they are only two genders and they are trying to date these women and they're learning I think through hard experience that these girls are like off the deep end so I have more faith right now in the younger male generation the girls need some work well I'd imagine the men are starting to speak up because they have literally been attacked I mean between Title Nine and this you get to speak less because you're a man you you know your Merit doesn't matter you know we only have a quota for 50% of you and so doesn't matter how hard you work the attack is so Direct on them it's very visible um yet I think that the women are suffering even more from this culture war and even more from this supposed feminist narrative you know who's benefiting from feminism right not the women not the moms right who when you think about it I know in your book you write about this as well the people are benefiting from feminism are the big corporations who have basically women who are willing to work all day long and not take time off for kids and not have kids and not be distracted by children right like just freeze your eggs freeze your eggs that's why all these companies pay for their employees to get abortions because then you know they don't have to get maternity leave they're not losing their employees yeah doesn't help the woman and then male Predators who never want to settle down right I'd imagine maybe they win from this feminism but certainly not the women I mean every woman on Tinder on the dating apps is on birth control and she everything is being underwritten by abortion you know just in case so a man has no incentive anymore um unless he's like a literally raised like a Fundamentalist relig household the a regular guy off the street has no incentive to to marry a woman to take precautions to not just be this like very promiscuous person and the women don't have any um there's no guidelines there either we've removed all the guide rails and so you see women I think you've posted some these videos of women young women bragging about their you know body counts of how many explain what body counts is because it's it actually I'm not online enough to know what that means so jealous of you it sounds horrific yeah it's this gruesome like um you know serial killer phrase for how many sexual partners you've had so you have women are collecting lers of they slept with I've seen I've seen women over a hundred like numbers are I've seen like close to 300 in in a year I'm like you know you got to be busy every single day they post social yeah it's it's it's it's a virtue it's a kind of virtue signal it's like this very kind of dark feminism and then they're praised happened to the shaming oh that's gone that's gone Pride Pride like pride parade for they're gonna add like another s to the LGBT whatever s add an s in there double s they'll need a flag because they're gonna say that they're now like a you know minority persecuted well as long as they remain a minority I hope it doesn't become a majority that I mean it's just awful yeah and then they end up marginalized yeah then they end up child-free and that is soul like as this Liberation you don't need to waste your money what what they also are not telling these women is that you anti-depression rates for women especially unmarried childless women in their 50s and 60s has never been higher it's literally like the highest rate ever of of older women resorting to anti-depressants and other other drugs that aren't good for you to kind of mask whatever has you know they lost out on or missed out on it's really sad what would you say to these young women going into college like how do we inoculate the don't let them go don't go to college yeah don't go to college go to trade school if you have to yeah or pick your colleges very very specifically or go online like you can I did online college you did yeah I didn't go to college like on Liv of Tik Tok you partnership with PR we'll start another Enterprise right you know what I mean really seriously I think it's not just in college right it's it's in our culture and I think that when you when you understand the nefarious agenda behind the concept of feminism and you are able to explain this to a young woman maybe a light bulb will go on maybe if they understand who really benefits yeah from feminism and who actually gets hurt by feminism I mean it's sort of like a little bit reassuring I have seen some videos come out of young women saying like um I think this what happened when when when this the new Snow White remake was getting all this heat and the star was saying like I'm going to redo SN white she don't need no man you know and kind of rejecting like just a feminist Snow White and women were posting reaction videos saying what if okay what if I like do want a man is that okay like you're dismantling the whole like princess prince you know happy happy ending like fairy tale but what if I want that you know these are like young kind of basically feminist women who are finally saying but I still want this because I do believe and this is what I think the book is I think that that desire is kind of inborn in people it's the most natural normal human thing in the world to want a connection with another person I mean this is just like not even why are we rethinking that like why are we breaking that desire in people and we have broken it and that's why you're seeing these women like really lose their minds are you seeing this new movement uh called Trad they were like I'm Trad so I'm looking for a traditional man or I'm looking for a traditional woman and it's like a new label that people I I don't know if it's supposed to be normal people that are trying to find other normal people who don't want to have all the letters of the alphabet by their name uh but is that something that's like going I have seen videos like that like the Trad Trad it's not it's definitely not a trend not a trend um no I don't think so what I was seeing and I actually wrot something on subsec about this is that we were seeing young women who were married but didn't have any children but they were kind of doing it as a lar they were dressing as like a 1950s perfect housewife and making pies and and they got like so much attention because look like sort of these Marilyn Monroe clones and they're kind of busty and pretty and they were kind of glamorizing like really a 1950s housewife life but they didn't have any of the like real stuff going on there was no laundry going and there's no little kids screaming and so I wrote the this this article like well I actually do know a lot of tradwives these are women who stay home and they they make do on one income which is really difficult to do these days a huge sacrifice they want to be there with their little kids and they trust me they are not dressed up they do not have makeup also not making Tik Tok they are do not have time for Tik Tok on who are on Tik Tok are not real TR wise if you're setting up your phone for your video of like get ready with me it's a good point if you claim to be traditional and you're on Tik Tok you're obviously not really traditional exactly no they the ones who are on Tik Tok are kind of making like a mocker of it and a skit okay they're making fun of us women who want to have children and what like said like they'll put on like the 1950s dress and it's just a skit but real tradwives I mean it's not it's not a social media Trend but but hopefully it's a it's a trend in the real world right maybe if you can make it like kind of a trendy thing um that looks cute maybe it does make it sort of appealing like women can fake it till they make it you know they just G to go for it anyway because we have to sort of do a little bit of a our own version of like a scop on younger women to break them out of like the feminist bubble it's they're very tough nuts to crack if you've ever encountered like a young College age very committed oh it's a cult militant feminist it's a cult it's a religion and they are they are you know they'll just take whatever the the new thing is whatever that like new cause is they'll just go all the way and now you're their new cause taking you down um but they're going to come for all of us and so we have to try to get them first before they become these like radicalized um minions basically and that's the thing is like the real TRD wives are not on social media right so who is telling these young girls like you should get married it's amazing it's a blessing children are the best thing to ever happen to you um you know get your man there's there's no one I don't know if there are so many people out there on social media who are actually saying things like that and I I think there should be there should be more yeah it's it's a it's a tough dilemma and I imagine you went through this as you decided to create you know the the peachy Keenan brand basically because we don't want to be on social media uh you know we think it's successful but we also realize that we have to save our children from what they're experiencing there and so if we completely Retreat and don't show up and don't teach important things then how are they ever going to learn it and like then I think about you spending hours in the Cesspool and I worry about you actually like I worry about you consuming all of this vile garbage and content and you know I had I I had an assistant who actually left he's like I'm sorry I just and I I was like I'm so used to it I didn't even realize that for someone else coming in it's how like how it could really affect you as a person how do you handle that how do you spend so many hours in the vile cess and and just still come out happy and positive and you know wanting to live and cute I think uh there's there's so many wins along the way and I'm very I'm very specific and intentional about celebrating them even if they're small and I think that really helps me and at this point it's been two and a half years so I think I'm I'm immune I think I'm immune I really do I think that there is a A playbook for it to me it's it's the Torah it's the Bible I know that you're you know I know that you keep the Sabbath and I think the Bible helps us by grounding us and giving us Timeless truth which is not what you will find on so social media and so you know you hold that you hold your faith close to you it helps you navigate through this and when I speak to a lot of moms and dads um as they're navigating through raising children right now and the school systems doing everything possible to get the Bible as far away as possible from us and from our children I think actually going back to some of these you know traditional Timeless truths is what's going to help us get through this you know some of my closest friends have been accused as domestic extremists because they simply showed up to a Schoolboard meeting saying that they don't want to have pornography in their kids' classrooms and they have been attacked and so it is it is so it is so difficult how did we get to this point where true criminals who are actually shooting people and stealing things are considered victims and true heroes like parents who want to take care of their children are considered now criminals I think what you're saying is so true about religion though and I have actually a chapter about this that being if you can if you can manage it um having some grounding in faith like actual belief is for me the cheat codes to Parenting it puts parenting on easy mode because it reinstalls kind of these ancient Timeless guard rails and you have like a lot of the decision-making sort of taken care of for you and you also have a reason why you're saying no to things why can't you wear that outfit out of the house why can't you you know let your booty hang out of the shorts why don't we want to you know let you date and put you on the pill at 14 a lot of my liberal friends they get their daughters on birth control as soon as they get their period 12 13 years old okay so so what when you're you know as a as a as a devout Catholic I now have reasons why Chasity why modesty why these things are important and honestly I have found that one of the most powerful things that we've done and again my husband and are both converts we were both raised completely atheist secular atheists and and now we have five devout Catholic children who like they'll yell at me if I don't like kneel exactly on time at Mass like they're very like diligent about it which is amazing it like works but I really have found that if you can teach little kids the value of life if you can make them pro-life at a young age I feel like that's the vaccine I feel like that is the immunization that can kind of power them through and let and so that the kind of the leftist feminist messages bounce off them I mean nothing's perfect there's no nothing is full proof but I feel like it's such an effective antidote and really how many do we have we don't have that many antidotes yeah I I know for me the um my my belief and my belief in God is guides everything I do in life so you know I don't have children yet but when I do obviously that will guide it um when I do get married my belief in God is going to guide that but even in my work now it is it is 100% um guided by my belief system which I think helps keep you grounded um and it helps me stay on track and I also believe that that the only reason I'm in this position right now is because God wanted me to be you know God has a plan uh nothing happens by by accident um and I think God put me in this position and and gave me this Mission um and I really believe that and that's that's what keeps me motivated every day it's it's definitely helpful when you realize that you're not doing things alone right and and that you have you know God with you but like you say not having to reinvent a manual that has already been divinely inspired and given to you I mean the huist that every generation experiences right was like we're all going to reinvent everything and everything that came before us is complete nonsense because we know the truth and the government of the culture is going to invent something better than something that has lasted forever yeah like I get asked why why do you do this like aren't you afraid like do you how do how do you deal with all like the hate I don't get it the way you do but I definitely get it and I just go back to like the great Catholic saints and murders and you know I quote Jon of Arc in my book like these um I'm not this is nothing compared to what people have done and what have fought for and died for for what they believed in or to protect you know what they valued their Community their faith their families um people have have experienced much worse than you know getting called out on Twitter or getting you know roasted by some like some one of the Libs from Liv Libs of tiktok um and I think that without faith I don't think I would have as much courage and I think that you are an incredible inspiration for your courage and especially after you got docs like I just remember being an a you so kudos to you but it really is you know you're committing this great crime we're all committing this great crime of noticing things that is the crime that is what you're doing you're just shining a light and then stepping back and that is the crime the crime is not what happened on the video The Grooming of children the indoctrination the genital mutilation of children the crime is just taking a look at it and showing it to other people and it's really amazing that we're in this position where um the criminals um the bad people the bad guys the evil is being done and the ones who are who they call evil are simply the ones reacting to it well they don't want us to react and they want to control us with language I mean that's part of it part of it is we've we've given up the the culture War because we've given up our rights to True language right if you don't if you don't actually you can't really Express what is a woman and what is a man and what are what is truth and what is lie then you create complete chaos and we don't actually have language and then you give up control over everything right if you have complete chaos in society then who get gets to step in and Recon and and reconfigure everything the government the culture the new the new people came you know come into place like you can't even be attracted to your husband anymore because that's considered some sort of CIS C I'm a I'm a husos seexual Marissa don't forget oh yeah yeah it is my favorite term ever and I how do we make husos seexual go viral okay for anyone who doesn't know husos seexual means I'm only attracted Ed to people who identify as my husband oh so so far that's just one person but you know what if what if some random so far so good anyone could identify as anything yeah I I I I think it's brilliant uh in a in in a way that you know in some ways it's we're we're kind of making fun of the fact that anybody is attracted to anything these days and now that is their new identity right it's like I'm a I'm identity um you know I identify as a tree and so therefore I'm a arosexual right it's all just about making people confused and getting them off track um it's sort of like how the New York Times is now their new their new beat is now polyamory and open marriages and every week There's a new article just showing you the the glories how wonderful it is to be fully liberated from the harsh oppress oppression of a marriage you can be polyamorous you can have five husbands you can have 10 different boyfriends you can have an open marriage isn't that just wonderful your kids want you to be happy and so we're just you know they keep diluting the message these again the ancient Timeless things have kind of kept Humanity going through you know Extinction U bottlenecks um these are important important things that we need to keep doing they keep kind of distracting everyone with this like don't fomo you know don't miss out on this you don't you don't want to do that and people are really lost there is no they burned the map you know the the road map to human happiness yeah this is why and I'm going to say a trigger word I in a way I hope that like Taylor Swift marries Travis Kelce and talks about how amazing it is to be married the trigger word no I wrote I wrote about this actually everyone has different views on her but that would be great and if she starts saying like look I have the best husband it's so amazing to be married he takes care of me and then has kids like what could be better for all those young girls who are being brainwashed in college um to to start realizing and like waking up that's so interesting I I wrote a subsec about Taylor and you know my my my same hopes that if she somehow got engaged then you know these Legions of you know young Taylor Swift fans would suddenly realize oh it is okay it is okay maybe to like find the one I mean because all of her music I brought my daughter to her concert here I've been following her you know and I've mixed feelings about her but um all of her songs are about this kind of very kind of normal basic female desire to find true love I mean basically every single one of her songs is I I'm looking for true love he hurt me again why can't I find true love where is he and that's sort of like the message of all her songs and if she actually does get to the end of her you know finds her pot of gold I mean what will happen to those women like will it trigger a a baby boom although you know I'm not 100% sold on uh on Mr Kelsey so we have to see I don't care who she marri as long as get married and start talking about homies you know so I think somebody like Taylor Swift obviously has a huge impact on the culture you know I have girls and they listen to her too one of the things that I've learned over the years working with you know celebrities is that is as much influence as they have on other people they're very much influenced by their own followers and it's it's it's actually harder to do the right thing when you're a celebrity because you are so addicted to the affirmation that you get from the masses it it really becomes it becomes your new current because you made all the money you need to make right make a ton of money but there's this addiction that develops from being in that Spotlight constantly and the moment the light moves a little to the side I see these celebrities just do anything possible to get the light back on them and we need to keep that in mind especially when raising our our young girls to not put any of any celebrity really on this kind of pedestal given that they're very reactive to the masses they'll go where the wind is blowing they to that's what they've been trained to do it's so funny because the difference I mean I think something that we share is that I never wanted like my face out there like before this book came out my fixure was never anywhere I never sought this it was very like awkward for me to like have to go on a book tour and like reveal myself but I still have the protection of a pseudonym and so I mean now it's like I mean it's sort of getting chipped away but I think that you know we're sort of like still semi in the shadows we're not out there giving these huge concerts and um you know seeking fame but I do think that when someone like Taylor Swift or a giant celebrity does come out and say anything even remotely a little bit on our side people go wild and they cheer like oh we finally found one do they like us like accept us accept us yeah it's so hard though for our side because we don't have any big major figures who are mainstream figures but you know pachy I think part of this whole point is that we shouldn't need to have that and we actually should reject having that like my goal in life raising my kids you no I don't I don't want to be that and I don't want you to really be that like we can be there as guides but the guidance that I actually want to give the public is that as a parent your goal is is that when your child grows up and they are asked who's your role model they don't go through some rle adct on on social media and find some famous person who they don't even know right if see if who impacted you the most who inspires you the most my mom ask I I want my son to grow up and when he is asked who inspired you the most who impacted you the most I wanted I want him to say my dad and frankly that's the way it's supposed to be right that is what a parent is is the is the that person that impacted their child the most and there is this role reversal that has been created by this entire system say this as an educator you know basically taught forever and as an educator we have sold parents on this idea that parents cannot teach their children and as a culture we've sold people that their role models are these absolute strangers that are frankly manipulated by an industry like they've been made famous by an industry why should they be the role models the role models are are the parents parental Authority has atrophied so much but there think this is why you have been so powerful because you are really are giving parents back the power you're really making them feel like I'm not alone this teacher is a nut like I need to get my child out have you felt like parents are actually moving schools or like changing their children's lives based on what they see that you showing them yeah I get I get tons of messages along those lines and amazing and whenever people ask me like what you know what's your advice to parents who can't homeschool uh because there are there are probably thousands and thousands of parents who want to homeschool but they just can't which is very understandable I'm just like look you just have to be more involved like you have to know the curriculum that they're being taught in every single class you have to look over all of their homework that they're every single assignment that they're being sent home with um every single day you have to go through with them their day what happened that day what did the teacher say because uh they're really going to try to they're trying to get to your kids through schools so um the parent has to really be very very involved at every single step of the way so final notes pachy what advice can you give to parents because I know one of the reasons why you wrote this book is to save save the culture save the women uh save the moms I I want anybody who's listening to this conversation to realize how important it is to follow both of your accounts on social media even if they're not on social media find a way to read what you have to say and tap into what you to show because we have to be aware this kind of numbness of inaction has to end but we can't afford it right and it's really a charge that I got from reading your book we can't afford to sit on the sidelines and hope that the problem's going to go away do you have any other thoughts of what could somebody do after following you being inspired by you yeah I mean I think it's it's one thing to say get married and have kids but like what you were saying has you want you're you know your goal of Parenthood is that one of your children will think of you as their role model one day i' like to maybe tell people live your life now so that when you in 30 40 50 years look back you won't have these big regrets you know I'm a child of a boomer divorce and so that kind of was not fun not pleasant but it did teach me one important lesson which was when I'm grown up when I'm married I won't make any choices that will permanently irrevocably hurt my kids it's very basic but people have now treat they now treat Parenthood and marriage as just this like whatever I'm out for me whatever makes me feel good in the moment whatever I need to do the kids will be fine they'll be fine they won't be fine and so my advice to parents is if you manage to get to get married and you find a spouse and you find have you managed to have children it's your job to think 30 40 years to now how will they think of you on your deathbed and and people don't like to talk about that but life is very short life goes very very fast they grow up and will they take care of you will they will they want to be around you when you're a grandmother will you get grandchildren I'm in this for the grandchildren and that is like sort of my big goal I want to have as many as I can and I'm ready for Grandma pachy mode and so that is my like number one advice I love that guess how many cousins I have how many first cousins uh like 350 what yeah domestic extremist right here a domestic extremist well your parents must have been domestic extremists too and you'll be joining them soon right I'm sure contributing to the oh yeah yeah hopefully very soon well ha is single so DM me if you'd like me to match make it's one of my it's one of the things I like to do on the side so well you'll definitely be invited to my wedding how big will your wedding be with all these cousins um I don't know my my siblings weddings had like uh I don't know 300 people wow yeah wow because they live all over the world you know um but yeah I'm very used to kids a lot of i' I have seven siblings yeah yeah um I have a ton of nieces and nephews and tons of cousins so I've been around kids my whole life so to me it's like a no-brainer obviously I want a b you know you got a person who wants children totally gets it I mean the whole show could just have been The Bachelorette right here we could do a reality dating show for me but I Bachelorette okay vote if you want it um selfish I want to ask you one last question and that is about social media you know it's it as adults maybe we're more prepared to spend some time on social media in order to see what's going on I know you're doing that and I'm doing that because we feel like it's really respons it's it's our responsibility to tap into the front lines and see what is happening but if you could give advice to parents who have kids who want to be on Tik Tok or on social media uh I think I know what she's gonna say what like what is your advice I mean cuz you're on it and you were on it yeah I actually campaign to ban Tik Tok like I fully support Banning Tik Tok so Libs of Tik Tok wants to ban Tik Tok yeah W yeah it it might make things a little difficult for me but it's okay I'll figure it out you'll give up the entire Enterprise for the sake of uh America the so here's the thing is a lot of these people are also on Instagram and it's pretty much the same content but Tik Tok is first of all Chinese spare so I don't think it should be in America um but it's I think China is using it as a weapon to destroy us from within and they have different algorithms and the way they're doing it um is that when kids join they are automatically fed all this nonsense like the anti-American values and all the gender confusion stuff so I definitely think that Tik Tok should be banned um after that you know maybe we have to have a conversation about other uh social media um companies and and what their algorithms look like if they're specifically targeting a demographic with a specific message that is you know anti-American um but but there's no reason why a Chinese firware app should be in America do you spend any time on YouTube as well yeah yeah is that where you find some of some of your content some stuff yeah so one of the arguments I'm starting to have with my kids who are hearing about other kids being on YouTube is they say well there is YouTube kids oh no it's very dangerous okay tell me about YouTube kids I got so many messages um about YouTube kids and tons of screenshots from parents all the time like multiple times a week I get it and they say I'm I'm absolutely shocked I let my kid on YouTube kids because it's supposed to be safe and there are Pride flags all over there's all this gender nonsense and it is I mean it's it's not safe for kids what about putting in any of the restrict or the filters or you know whatever the terminology is is there is there a world where you would hand a cell phone with social media let's say to a 13-year-old child not not my kid no not with any of the filters and none there no tricks and shticks and nothing no absolutely not no it's basically like throwing them at a mall knowing that they're a bunch of predators running around and just walking away and letting them fent for themselves yeah pretty much unless something drastic changes I'm still uh years off from having a 13-year-old kid but um but you're an expert you really are an expert in this social media space you're on it all day long so if you're telling me that you through your expertise and all your research we should you know really protect our kids I think it's a pretty serious comment I get I mean I get I get messages and I'm talking about hundreds over the past two and a half years um all of these even like the gaming sites like um Raw and um and and fortnite and and like I said YouTube and uh Instagram I get messages all the time from parents they're like I'm absolutely shocked I let my kid have this and they're just being fed all this gender nonsense from everywhere like nothing is safe nothing is safe I mean prer you videos are safe right that's it right um and you guys do have some like entertainment um video stuff for kids so I think that's really great we need to do more of that and and um and promote more of those of of those types of content because I don't think anything that's that's really out there that's like the main stream is safe for kids yeah including Disney or any of the kind of classic traditional um you know they're they're just embedding this everywhere from the youngest age possible so on top of banning your kids from all this stuff imagine being one of her kids and asking for a phone one day but on top of banning it all keeping it out it's still will seep in so the other thing you need to do is immunize them and prepare them and kind of streng strengthen their own defense mechanism so they can recognize it and walk away from that stuff exactly yeah and that comes from having very um strong and involved parents yeah you want strong kids you have to have strong parents who are willing to say I'm a domestic extremist or to say no or I'm a white Christian nationalist Barbie or whatever it is that they want to call us I don't really care I'm protecting I want to see Barbie dolls of all three of us that be great yeah well it's much better than the Barbie doll of the lever Cox uh that is going on right now in in so many stores apparently uh what is it a woman can be anything she wants right but what is a woman and so now Barbie is also a trans man right well I hate to end on a very very sad note but I also think it's a very convicting note and that is we have to take charge and we have to be okay with whatever labels they throw at us and so you know they can come and attack us we're just going to get strong yeah that's right cheers if they're not attacking you you're doing something there you go cheers l