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歡迎來到我們節目的特別訪問 我們請來伊隆·馬斯克先生 川普總統的榮譽顧問 Tesla的CEO SpaceX的主席 X Corp的主席 伊隆,謝謝你來我們節目 我們非常欣賞你 謝謝你邀請我 我想開始說 其中一件事 大家都在攻擊你 關於你的位置 你對政府做了什麼 今天有一個虛擬攻擊 針對X 封鎖了它 可能是外國來源 這是一個很大的故事 你想給我們一點時間討論一下嗎 我們不確定發生了什麼 但是有一個巨大的虛擬攻擊 試圖封鎖X系統 來源於烏克蘭地區的IP地址 所以這就是你的懷疑 網站還在運作嗎 還在運作嗎 還在運作 還在運作,好的 但我剛纔在回顧 讓我看看我能不能解釋清楚 他們在波士頓附近 設置各種Tesla充電站 在波士頓附近 在俄羅斯的Tesla店鋪 發射了槍 各種非暴力 槍發射了 不是一個說法 槍發射了,是的 在紐約市中心 在Tesla展覽室 你的股票下跌 你被批評 左和右 但你看看右邊 我意思是 為什麼你在做這個 你總是看著光明正大的一面 是的 我是一個經濟學家 除此之外 是的 你今天怎麼樣 你為什麼要做這個 這次的推廣好嗎 很難 是的 很難 但我覺得我們在做對的事 在政府中 政府中 Exactly. As the president said, you know, we have an enormous number of people marked as alive who are 160. He didn't know the country was that healthy. Yes. You know, so demystify this. How do you do it? Okay, how big is your team? Yeah, where do you recruit most of them from? And what is it that makes you choose, you know, the treasury or social security or USAID? How does it work? Let the public know, please. Right. Well, we just basically follow the money. You know, we look at the president's executive orders and we also just follow the money. So we started looking closely at USAID because they were completely violating the president's executive orders to suspend foreign aid. You know, what's called foreign aid, but in our view is a lot of corruption. So what we saw there is just a tremendous amount of money being sent to non-governmental organizations. But actually, this, by the way, is I think one of the biggest sources of fraud in the world is government-funded, non-governmental organizations. This is a gigantic fraud loophole where the government can give money to an NGO and then there are no controls over that NGO. So they've given billions of dollars in debt. We estimate tens of billions of dollars to NGOs that are essentially scams. And by the way, I try to put a stop to that. I don't want to interrupt, but Secretary of State Rubio just come out. I think he tweeted today. He has accepted over 80 percent of your recommendations to shut down in USAID. So your review and analysis was spot on. Yes. So I think when people criticize what DOJ is doing, we say, well, which part specifically? Because we put all of the actions of the DOJ team on the DOJ.gov website and on the DOJ handle on X. So we post the receipts. So it's like this action has been taken, this action has been taken. So when we get criticism, we say like, of what? Which line do you disagree with? Like which cost saving do you disagree with? And people usually can't think of any. No. You know, so. It's transparent line by line. Which is quite remarkable. Right. And so with respect to the Treasury, for example, the two main recommendations we suggested, which have now been implemented, was that any payments going out of the Treasury, especially the Treasury's main payment computer, which is called PEM. Things like payments account manager or something like that. It's like almost 5 trillion a year. So about a billion an hour. That the payments be coded with the congressional appropriation and that there be an explanation for the payment. Very basic stuff. And just doing that, we estimate we'll save 100 billion dollars a year. You're not really. Let me see if I get this right. Particularly with social security. You're not really changing policy. No. You're auditing the fiscal mechanisms to make sure that, you know, from point A gets to point B and that's where it's supposed to get to. In some cases, it doesn't get there. Or in some cases, it may go over there. But it's not a policy exercise. You're not changing laws. You're just doing what any business would do in a profit and loss audit. I think what we're adding here is caring and competence. And there's a massive amount of fraud of basically people submitting social security numbers for social security benefits, unemployment, small business administration loans, and medical, where those are fake social security numbers. Or they've stolen somebody else's social security number. And we're trying to put a stop to all of that. And that's the number which is estimated to be on the order of 10% of federal expenditures, which is, you know, half a trillion dollars. A huge number. You're working with the agency heads. You're working with the cabinet secretaries. Yes. I saw Howard Lutnick was on TV yesterday saying you were partnering with them. Is that fair? Yeah. What we do is in consultation with the cabinet secretaries and with their departments. So we're really trying to be sort of, we'll refer to ourselves as tech support. We're really helping the department get a handle on things. Because what actually happens here is you've got this sort of vast federal bureaucracy. And then you've got a very thin layer on top of the politically appointed officials. And what tends to happen is that the bureaucracy, frankly, is in control. And they largely ignore the politically appointed people. Why should the bureaucracy? I'm sure you must have seen that. I've lived with this twice. I worked for Reagan many years ago. And I worked for Trump in the first term. It's like a permanent bureaucracy. I might add it's a permanently liberal bureaucracy. Yes, very much so. And it's not a bureaucracy that necessarily enforces or implements presidential policy. They don't. In fact, they try their best to thwart presidential policy. So the president is the elected representative of the people. And if the president cannot get things implemented as a reflection of the will of the people, then what we have is not a democracy. We have a bureaucracy. We have rule of the bureau, not rule of the people. And that's what we're trying to defeat here is the bureaucracy and have rule of the people. And as you mentioned, the bureaucracy is overwhelmingly Democrats. So Washington, D.C., was 92.5 percent, I believe, voted for Kamala. So this is overwhelmingly a deep blue situation. How do you pick your next targeted agency or department? Well, we're trying to act broadly across all departments. So it's not just one department at a time. Are you in all of them now, all of them? Pretty much, yeah. Yes? Oh. We're trying to make the government more efficient across the board. So, yeah. How big is your team? We're a little over 100 at this point. 100. Get to 200. You're going to get to 200. Yeah. OK. And you're recruiting from where? More or less. Basically, it's software people, you know, information security software people and finance. You know, it's basically, yeah, finance and technology. And, I mean, frankly, I can't believe I'm here doing this. It's kind of bizarre. But I kind of think that we've got this enormous federal budget deficit. And it's a $2 trillion deficit. It keeps growing. Our interest payments are higher than our Defense Department budget. That, I think, was the real wake-up call for me, was looking at seeing that the interest payments, the national debt, exceeded the Defense Department budget. And that was only growing over time, which meant if we didn't do something about this, then there won't be any money for anything. We'll just be servicing debt. And you know how to read an income statement. And you know how to read a balance sheet. You've had some business experience. I'm kidding. But you know about this stuff. Yeah. I mean, really, I just don't want America to go bankrupt. So it's a call to action. You're hearing a call to action. Yeah. You're giving up your other stuff? I mean, how are you running your other businesses? With great difficulty. Yeah, I mean... But there's no turning back, you're saying? I'm just here trying to make government more efficient, eliminate waste and fraud. And so far, we're making good progress, actually. So our savings at this point exceed $4 billion a day. So it's pretty significant. You think you'll wind up getting to a trillion dollars? Yeah. In savings? I mean, unless we're stopped, we will get to a trillion dollars of savings. And that stuff can be translated. I mean, we've been talking. We had Russell Vogt, the OMB director on earlier, through very rescission authority, impoundment authority. But I believe you said earlier it's an audit that will not gather dust on shelves. This is actually going to wind up with real savings, bend the spending baseline down. Yeah. There have been many good audits, like I said, done by inspector generals and by government accountability officers. And they just haven't been implemented. Nothing's been done. I think the GAO identified that there were 17 million dead people in the social security database several years ago. It's now 20 million. But nobody did anything about it. I mean, I think we can sort of look at this as a complaint minimization optimization. So basically, if the government sends money out to whether it's wasteful or fraudulent, nobody complains if they receive money. But they do complain if they don't receive money. And the people that complain the loudest are the ones receiving the fraudulent money. And you're on it. Yeah. I mean, so the goal here is let's not have America go bankrupt with waste and fraud. So that's what I'm here for. And we're making good progress. Yes, you are. You're going to go another year? Yeah, I think so. Final report, middle of next year? Well, we're just getting things done as opposed to writing a report. Like I say, reports don't mean anything. You've got to actually take action. So the... I mean, the waste report in entitlement spending, you know, which is all of the... which is most of the federal spending is entitlements. So that's like the big one to eliminate. That's the sort of half trillion, maybe 600, 700 billion a year. That is also a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters. Yes. So this is why the Democrats are so upset about the situation because they're losing... You know, if we turn off this gigantic money magnet for illegal immigrants, then they will leave. And they will lose voters. But you have a president in support. He said so again yesterday. He completely supports your operation. Yeah. Well, thanks. But that's... Without the president's support, we couldn't make any progress here. But... Yeah. I mean, where you'll see the biggest outcry is from the Democrats who are... They don't want the waste report to be turned off because it is a gigantic magnet to attract illegal immigrants and have them stay in the country. I mean, you see some of the crazy stuff like where money from FEMA, you know, which is meant... FEMA is an agency that's meant to take care of Americans in distress. And a bunch of their money was being sent to pay for luxury hotels in New York for illegal immigrants. And that was happening even after the president was elected and even after he signed the executive order saying that needs to stop. So we actually made sure that that money did stop going because it's obviously outrageous that American taxpayer money is spent on luxury hotels for illegals. But you have to say, like, why was that being done? That was because the Democrats are trying to import voters, basically. Yes. I agree. Yeah. And that's also why there's no voter ID in needed... In fact, in California and New York State, you're not allowed to show voter ID. That's a... Doesn't that seem insane? Insane. Yeah. I'd say that as a New Yorker. It's insane. Yeah, insane. And it violates the entire constitution and the principles behind it. Yes. Producers are yelling at me to get out. I don't want to end this interview because it's too much fun. Yeah. Can I just ask you one thing? 20 seconds. Nothing to do with... Nothing to do with Doge. Can you rescue the astronauts? Yes, we're bringing them back in a few weeks. There's not near enough attention being paid to this. You're going to get them back? We're going to get them back. God bless. Thank you. Thank you for all your service, Elon Musk. We appreciate it very much. Appreciate it. Take care. Thank you.