Kash Patel Interviews Jan Jekielek: ’Smoking Gun’ Evidence of China’s Scary Organ Trade

I get to turn the tables on you my friend how are you doing as I'm fantastic it's so great to be here it's really a treat to have you on it's really a treat for our viewership in the War Room posi to mix and collaborate with the epoch times which is one of the largest print circulations and their digital program is a monster in over 40 countries Yan I know you guys have a motto truth and tradition I'm a big part of it over there I love what you do and I know you have some serious topics to discuss I saw what you're doing and your brilliant interview on um the ccp's Orbin harvesting machine and how grotesque and disgusting that is and how it's far-reaching and how it has National Security implications can you give us a little bit uh of an outline about what you dove into with your guest and and what are the next steps 100% I mean just for starters right uh the guest David midus international human rights lawyer he first discovered he first established that this was really happening back in 2006 with a mass report um he estimates that China's organ Forest organ harvesting industry amounts to about 9 billion a year okay and this is something I'm going to talk about that is frankly hard to believe right it's hard to believe there's actually a Survivor I never thought we'd see one I've been covering this issue for 18 years now and there is a guy who has a giant 14inch G scar on his uh right side and he is basically uh Missing part of his liver and part of his lung the liver has since regenerated and the even crazier part is that attempting to discredit him the Chinese regime has admitted to operating on him without consent so finally there is the Smoking Gun that people have been looking for that's been so difficult I mean this thing has been litigated so much there's a whole commit China tribunal that has taken took a year to establish all the evidence around this it's incontrovertible but finally there is a guy who by the way uh uh assistant Secretary of State Bob Destro managed to rescue to America like a big big task uh uh back during the Trump Administration and he's finally come out to tell the story that's unbelievable breakr reporting I hope everybody goes and watches your interview Yan and for those that haven't been following as closely as you have as closely as Epoch has and as closely as a war room poy has how can you the the Breakthrough is Monumental but the Breakthrough only happened because there were so many other tens of thousands of people who were treated grotesquely criminally as victims by the CCP are you able to quantify the types and numbers of organ harvesting and the reach that the CCP had internationally it's very difficult you know you know we one of the reasons we first discovered this was that Chinese uh uh uh hospitals were advertising basically an American newspaper saying you can get a new heart in a week if you have a few hundred grand to spend like that kind of stuff is you it so you know when someone's going to die this was you know this was 18 years ago um in terms of the numbers it's very very difficult to quantify and I don't like to you know give numbers when I don't really know but we do know that uh basically that it's about 60 to 100,000 organ transplants a year since the early 2000s and we know that there really is no credible organ donor Source back in 2015 they said they outlawed taking them from prisoners but uh later there was a paper that was done that showed that that the growth curve of their so-called official transplant statistic was a perfect quadratic equation so in other words they used fake data to to pretend that they actually had organ donors and Chinese generally don't like to give organs it's a it's a kind of a cultural thing so so and then this is this is the craziest part so the implication you asked about that early on National Security and otherwise he By ignoring this for so many years on the Fallen they built their whole organ transplant industry in my view on the fen gong that then transferred over to the Wagers later uh in a basically in a in a isolated Community where it's even easier to perpetrate these atrocities and you know there's millions of people in in these concentration camps so it's and and the effect is right that all these doctors in China in effect and all these doctors are doing research medical research with Americans with other doctors around the world there's all sorts of collaborations they're they basically become murderers the ones who participate in this and there's even a paper that shows that there's at least 72 uh uh transplants that have been done in the published literature globally by Chinese surgeons where the cause of death was transplantation and they didn't even realize it it's become such a normal thing that it's they didn't even realize they had written into the scientific method that's Criminal on so many scales not just the organ harvesting itself but I'd like to highlight and maybe you can talk about I'm going to try my best at aan Kell segue into my next topic with you all things CCP but you mentioned that they have to find these people and they use data to collect numbers and information and the whereabouts of these people and what they have and what they need now that infiltration by the CCP I got to believe isn't just done on Mainland China I know they're doing it domestically and as we get into an election year or an election debate here tonight I believe one of the Hot Topics is going to be the CCP how has the CCP used its Community outside of mainland China putting aside the atrocities against the Wagers and the Fallen God and the actual modern-day genocide and forced labor that's disgusting in and of itself then you have organ harvesting then you have a cyber offensive operation in my opinion downrange uh for the CCP to fund and fuel this monster what what are some companies out there in CCP land that are impacting America um I know Tik tok's a popular one I've heard of a couple of others but do you have some and and what are your thoughts on this and how does it connect back to the main event here well let me just comment briefly on China's uh influence operations okay in terms of funding right the second largest let's call it a Ministry in China in terms of funding is something called the united front work department and the the whole purpose essentially of the united front work department is influence is to across the world with the us being the Prime Focus that the Chinese regime views as its you know Prime enemy and is waging a people's war in the in the words of the dictator there xiin ping so so my point is it's an incredibly important part of their efforts is to push their influence and and of course we have this you know uh senior Aid you know uh a deputy chief of staff of cathal that's now been indicted on uh basically the all all sorts of fascinating things but the the big thing that they did and you mentioned the communities right what is the impact in the community the impact is that these CCPA agents of influence they pretend like they actually represent the Chinese communities in America and of course they don't right and this and in fact not at all in fact a lot of the communities have very different perspectives right but the effect is that that American officials might actually believe the CCP line because they they basically get it it makes it so that the voices of the dissidents can't be heard in terms of companies cash you're asking about of course I've talked a lot about Tik Tok Tik Tok is both an information gathering operation huge intelligence gathering but also influence right the ability to control the algorithm the ability to push whatever narratives the C CP is interested whether they're chaotic or or whatever into the American population massively right you know over 100 million users so another one is of course teu and cash you know you've written quite uh uh extensively on teu I've seen and teu I mean a lot of based on the assessments and what this app actually does it sort of masquerades as a super cheap shopping app but what the CCP does is they kind of you know subsidize things like this when this app from some uh estimates that I've seen basically uh has full access to your phone basically gathers absolutely everything it can right wow no no sorry keep I I I I didn't even know that so it's basically like almost like you're in a Marvel movie and they drop an and they just basically take over your phone with what teu and PDD are doing is that it I don't think I the the from what I understand okay and this is this is secondhand I haven't done this research myself okay but the level of access to your information is unprecedented for an app which really is just pretending to be a shopping app okay um and in terms of command and control you're complete you know complete controlled I I I'm not aware of that part but just the intelligence gathering element itself is unpar paralleled so Yan in your opinion and you are one of the foremost experts on all things the CCP is doing to destroy our world now you've talked about weager genocide Fallen gong genocide now you're talking about organ harvesting now you're talking about offensive cyber operations into outside of mainland China into the United States of America during an election cycle uh we've got a couple of minutes left if you were talking to the American public which you are um what would you say would be on the horizon that we must watch out for and we must protect against especially on the eve of a presidential debate or national security is such a Hot Topic I I would say this okay the CCP is the master of misdirection one of the bits of traditional Chinese culture that they didn't destroy during the cultural revolution was the war fighting methods right sunu Art of War and actually manymore and so a lot of this has to do with making sure that America is incredibly distracted right you know there's there's a war in Russia there's a war in is in Israel there's um all sorts of things going on uh that the CCP supports okay and we knew that we know that they materially support both uh Russia and uh and the Palestinians at the moment we know that's that's real I'm giving an example as to why would they be doing this right why would they be doing this because they don't want the US to really focus where the true threat is where the true existential threat to America is which is the Chinese Communist party so I think that's the key thing that we need to understand I think you're one of the brightest Minds that has been highlighting that for so long and I'm so glad that so many people are turning to EP and the War Room posi I will of course advertise and campaign for everybody in the War Room posi to sign up for an Epoch digital and online subscription and print subscription but yan yan has a wonderful show called American thought leaders on Epoch Yan where can folks find you where can they watch the show and where can they follow you on social media to get updates on everything you're doing and epoch's doing on social media you'll have to go to Yan kelik but I don't know who can spell that so C perhaps you'll have to put it up later it's on the screen we got you cover come to the epoch times.com by the way I'm on truth and and Twitter uh an kelic but also the epoch times.com and look for American thought leaders