Duncan Trussell Explains Ritual Magick to Joe Rogan

The Joe Rogan Experience. When you say he studies magic, what do you mean by that? So well, he wrote a great book called High Magic, which is I think that's what it's called. It's a fantastic book on magic is really the wrong word for it. There's a entire like mythos or religion that got sort of wiped out by Terrence McKenna talks about it a lot. I got kind of wiped out by I get, you know, superstition. So witchcraft is we understand it now because of Hollywood is like, you know, ladies riding around on brooms and shit, but it just used to be mid mid with her. It used to be like healing women who would like deliver babies and stuff early. And but these these were all connected to they're all at pagan roots and and so essentially you can follow back this branch of data that some people say started in Sumeria or Egypt. Ways of meditating ways of connecting with the universe that are ritualistic in nature, but seem mysterious to us because even though like if you want to see what it looks like, just look at a Catholic mass. You're looking at a ceremony. It's theurgy. I guess you'd call it. That is a magical ceremony where bread gets converted into the flesh of a God that you eat. So that's your watch. They're all wearing robes. They're burning incense. So that is magic. That's what ceremonial magic looks like. It's non-different from ceremonial magic. Someone in the Catholic Church might tell you this isn't magic. This is me praying to the infinite and asking for forgiveness. That's magic. You're connecting with a divine intelligence. You're hoping from your connection with the divine intelligence to produce some change in your own psychology in your own life and maybe create good fortune or whatever it is. You're praying for healing, whatever it may be. That's magic. So magic is that and that it's I'm not saying the Catholic Catholicism wouldn't necessarily be considered a branch of magic. I mean, one of the things he said in this interview is like if the Bible is one of the most powerful magical grimoires there is. I mean you read that shit. If you really look in it, there's all kinds of bizarre stuff that doesn't seem to make it onto Christian radio. Like what? Well, like when in the book of Genesis, it's why are they saying why do they refer to themselves as a plurality when God's talking? It's not like if when they're saying like why do we throw Adam and Eve out of the garden? It's we if we don't do something about this, they will become like us. We there's a plurality that's being mentioned there. And so what is that plurality? So throughout the Bible, there's mentions of angels the book of Ezekiel the famous one that ufologists go to is there's all these contacts with angels hyperdimensional beings that have some data set. They want to bring to the world quite often depending on what book you're in. It's some terrifying prophecy about the end of the world that's coming. But sometimes it's you know, some message of hope or some message of healing. So you could say magic is non-christian oriented method for connecting with those various entities using ritual. That's one branch of it. Now, I'm not saying by the way, these beings exist or don't exist, but you could say if you wanted to get like psychologically, you could say we have buried inside of us bit archetypes bits of the collective that are buried deep inside of us and that there are ways to connect to these little fragments of the collective mind and you know, many people know have their own method for doing that. One of the methods to do that might be doing a ritual and for a moment allowing yourself to imagine that you're trying to talk to an extradimensional being Alistair Crowley famously did one of these rituals and contacted of God. What was I can't remember what the being was called, but it looks like a gray alien. This is before people were talking about gray aliens. Will you look that up? Did he draw it? He drew it. There's a drawing of it. Yeah, and it looks like a gray alien. And what year was this? It's like the 1800s. Alistair Crowley was in the 1800s. Yeah, right. Nineteen hundred eighteen nineteen hundred. When you keep pulling at your ghillie suit. You remind me of a drunk overweight girl with large breasts that keeps adjusting her halter top like you're in Florida outside drinking at some motel. We're having a great night. I told that motherfucker. I'm going to leave you. I'm going to leave you Clarence. I'm tired of y'all bullshit. I told them with a cigarette in their hand. Wow. Look at that drawing by Alistair Crowley. Yeah, that does look like a gray alien. Yeah, man, and he likes what we're going to look like man. Let's cut the shit, right? That's what we're going to look like. Right when you when you see people that are hairy and and and brutish you we think of them as being like closer to prehistoric man, right? You see a guy covered in hair. He looks more like a beast. Yeah. And when we see people that are thinner and more slender, they become more more a gentle version of people and we associate that oftentimes with intelligence. We associate directly associate intelligence with frailty, right? We all do that when you see some some super genius guy. Usually they're frail, right? Occasionally they're badasses, but there's a lot of those super genius guys. I couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Right? Well Hawking's the ultimate example because his body literally failed him while he was coming up with his greatest discoveries. So this is this our future. We're going to have big heads. We're going to they're going to fucking crisper your way into a head that lets you live in any dimension you want at any time you transport yourself from one planet to the other. Imagine what we've done with our stupid monkey brains. Now imagine it was a hundred and fifty percent larger. A hundred and fifty percent more brain and then incorporated all sorts of fucking electronics to let you interface with space-time around you and all kinds of other wacky ways of communicating. We couldn't even possibly imagine now just like people from the 1800s could never ever possibly imagine cell phones, right? And this is the idea is like, okay, we're going to go there and then when we get there the way we understand space-time is going to be different than the way we understand it now. Yeah. So what that means is theoretically you could connect or communicate with a being that is outside of space-time, which is a future version of us right now using like various methods DMT being one of the big ones on the planet right now, but also using other methods that are a little bit more precise because with DMT it's kind of like you're not really putting in GPS coordinates necessarily. Some people do it with intention like a shaman will do it like with intention and can like, you know, excuse me. Can you give me another Bloody Mary? I told you Clarence. I'll fucking leave you cigarette in your hand flip-flops on. I will fucking leave you Clarence. If you keep summoning these demons, I am out of here. Clarence is over there with Miller like you ain't going nowhere. Just stop just fucking stop. You always do this. She gets drunk. She says she's leaving. I'm a fucking leave you Clarence. I'm gonna fucking leave you son of a bitch. I'm putting on my ghillie suit and going down to Tampa. You son of a bitch. I'm gonna visit my family in Clearwater. I'm out of here Clarence. It's over. Anyway. Yeah, maybe you can connect through time and space to these things that are already here like our understanding of time and space were locked in man, but like so magic is like ridiculous on one level as it absolutely sounds and is on one level on another level is at the very least a creative technique so that you can sort of summon a dream state while you're awake with the intent of causing some change in the world around you using for a lot of people what would be considered a non-standard way. But just in terms of your perception of how you view the world you can alter that pretty radically. I mean from someone who has an amazingly positive perception versus someone has an amazingly negative perception. You look at the results right over overwhelming benefit of being a positive person overwhelming. There's something to thoughts and ideas that propel you in a good way and for having a good architecture having a good philosophy having a good operating manual for how you view the world and how you act and behave part of that's you getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning. That's what that is. You like enforcing your ability to sort of dictate the positive aspects of your future. You're you're deciding to take action. You're strengthening your bond with the with the way you interface with the current reality and I was doing it. Rich. I mean not ritualistically stop. What the fuck out Christmas. God listen, man. If you want to meet me here. I'll meet you here. We could do some 5 a.m. Sessions. I'd love that man. I mean, yeah, I would love that do it. I'm a hundred percent down. Yeah, come down here. We'll get pump. We'll put Slayer on and Falcon Rock.