Anne Hathaway Opens Up About 'Serenity,' Hosting The Academy Awards & More (FULL) | PeopleTV

We're here to talk about Anne Hathaway. Hello. Hi, Anne Hathaway. Hopefully amongst other things, I'm not sure. Nope, that's it. Okay, here we go, strap in. That's all of it. The next hour of your life. Thank you for coming to our theater. Yes, no, the turnout is just what I expected. We were really out on the street corner trying to get people in. They said, uh-huh. So, okay, let's start with Serenity. Yes. Which, okay, if you've seen the trailer for the movie, the basic setup is sort of Postman Always Rings Twice. It's sort of a noir vibe. You come in and you ask Matthew McConaughey to kill your husband. Yes. That much we know. But it's a really twisty, really trippy movie. Yes. And I don't want to give away any spoilers, but tell me what you can tell me about it. Twisty and twisted. Mm-hmm. Both. So just before we started, we were talking about Stephen Knight, who's the writer-director. Yes. He's got a huge fan base, very well-deserved, from his film Lock and Peaky Blinders. In Serenity, nothing is what it appears, including what you think that you're watching. And what I mean by that is we have certain conditioned ideas about what a man is, about what a woman is, about what life is. What happens if you couldn't take any of that for granted and you actually had to really be in the moment and wonder, is anything that I'm seeing right now what I think it is or what I've been led to think that it is? And in the case of my character, Karen, I just found it really interesting that this woman, the identity that she presents is something that we've come to expect as a film-going audience. We know what a femme fatale is. We know what a no-good woman who wants to kill her husband is. But is that the reality? What's her story? And Stephen's ability to present a story that we think we know, that we think is well-worn, and to give it layers and nuance and vulnerability and depth and humanity and dignity, that was just what got me. I was so excited about that. My husband is joining me here the day after tomorrow. I told him that I would charter a boat for fishing Tuna. I want you to take him out on your boat, let him get drunk, and drop him in the ocean for the sharks. So this is a femme fatale role, as you say. In The Dark Knight Rises, there was also a femme fatale element to Selina Kyle, Catwoman. But this is a slightly different version of a femme fatale, whereas that one was sort of the Hedy Lamarr type of femme fatale. Who is this one most like? Well, one of the first things Chris Nolan said to me about Selina was she has a code. She has a moral code that she operates under. And so I thought to myself, what could that be? And I thought, she only takes from those who look. You know, she dares you to look, but you know you shouldn't. And if you do, she's going to take it from you. Which was a code that I got down with. Karen is different. And that is why Stephen's decision to play her, to present her as a femme fatale was to me so interesting because she has such limited agency within her own life. Everything about her has been handed to her from her husband. He chose her hair color. He chooses her clothes. He tells her the way that he likes her body to look. He tells her the way he wants her makeup to look. Everything about her is controlled and curated for his pleasure, not hers. And that is actually kind of what we think of when we think of femme fatales. It is very much oriented around what's going to please men, not what's going to be authentic to the woman. And I just thought, what an opportunity on her journey from when you present her to be presented in this way. The audience is going to have these preconceived notions about her based on an entire film history. And they're just going to see this mask. And they might actually judge her because of this mask and think that they know what's about to happen. And then what happens if scene by scene the mask just starts to get peeled back? Was the blonde hair your idea because you decided Jason Clarke, who plays your husband, that your husband would have wanted you to have that? Was that your thought process? Yeah. I think he's a man who wanted to be married to a hot blonde. And so I just had to kind of make myself look like some kind of empty fantasy. It's funny. It's a funny thing because when we started the film, the Me Too movement had begun, but it hadn't exploded. Right. The way that it now has, Time's Up, didn't exist. And so we were creating this thing. It felt very much like in a vacuum. And I wondered, is anybody going to get this? And now what we're talking about, it's the conversation that we're having. We're talking about optics and the male gaze and how femininity has been formed and controlled and reformed and conscribed. And so to have been able to play in this space and then have it seen now through this lens, it just feels incredible. This is your second movie with Matthew McConaughey. Yeah. Who plays your ex and your target. What's your dynamic with him now? My heartbreak. He's my heartbreak in this one. He is. You know, Karen didn't want their relationship to end, but it couldn't continue. You know, he went to war and he never came home. And that's a really common story, which meant that our son, he never got his father back. And so much of this film for me has to do with the legacy of war. And I don't know that that's going to be everybody's take on it, but just for me, because I've had friends that have served. And I think they would agree that not all of them was able to come back. Excuse me. And we talk about war. We talk about it in these terms. And it's so important. These people are heroes. They are. Their sacrifice is so real. But we really don't speak openly about the legacy of the violence, about the legacy of war. And it breaks my heart. It really does. And this is a family that, but for war, would not have been shattered. And I took that very deeply in this part. What is your dynamic now on the set? So Matthew, outside of this whole world, is so much fun. He's just, you know, the low-key life of every situation that you can be in. It's just really the whole just keep living thing. He is a very alive person. He's a deep thinker, generous communicator, poetic philosophical person. He's just a wonderful, wonderful guy. I really enjoy spending time with him. And I thought I knew his on-set thing in Interstellar because he was playing, you know, Cooper, who's this pilot and this raconteur and, you know, kind of he's just a storyteller, yarn spinner. And, of course, in that one, you know, he's playing a character who's trying to get unity. And I'm playing Dr. Brand, who just doesn't want him there and just doesn't even want to find him cute or attractive or enticing or anything. So we kind of had that little frisson on that one, which was fun. I'm expecting that on Serenity. I go out the night before, you know, kind of like we take the whole thing off with him. We have a great time. Camilla, his wife, is a great pal of mine. We're all having a great time. I show up to set. I'm like, hey, buddy. And I get a, I'm like, shoot, we got kind of drunk. Did I say something? Like, you know, like, have I offended Matthew? And I was like, okay, just hang back. Like, just give him some space. Day two, hey, Matthew. And I'm like, I'll come over. Day three, I was just like, I have to ask. So I just went up to him and I said, is it me or is it process? And he goes. Oh. Said, okay. So we would hang out on weekends, get the kids together, barbecue, great time. But on set, he was Baker Dill and he was pissed at me. That would be scary if Matthew, if you didn't know. If you walked up and McConaughey was pissed. You get nervous. Your solar plexus starts fastening and you're like, oh, God, what's happening? So then I, and I found that, you know, in the first couple days I was trying to stay deep in Karen. But to be honest, it was so heavy. And so I just decided to play the privilege card, you know, that I'm not this woman, that I'm playing this woman. So I would kind of come out of it. And it turns out Jason Clark is a delight. And we just decided that, like, it would help us to go deep into all the pain and the abuse of our relationship. We could actually be great friends off camera. Oh, that's good. Well, that would have been a toxic relationship if you'd both stayed in character. Well, okay. So when we first started, you know, Jason, this character is so far away. I mean, could not be farther away from who he is. My wife, my beautiful wife. She arranged this trip. She sat up on the Internet night after night, typing away to find the perfect boat to make this trip perfect. Because she wants it to be perfect, perfect for me. And myself, well, I'd say a son of a bunch of buckets, same as any other. And I'd fly to some other island. But I don't know Jason. So I walk into our first read-through. And Jason is frank, you know. And he's just like, so everything is, you know, after this and are we starting and just come on, come on, come on, come on. And he's just, like, man-spreading across the entire room. And I'm just like, is this him or the character? Okay, you don't know what it is. Don't judge. Just chill. Just, like, sit back for a little bit. Observe. And we get to the second day. And Matthew is in talking to Steven. And Jason and I are waiting to go in for our rehearsal. And Jason is sitting there, you know, just still taking up all the room on the couch. And I'm just very poised and contained. And he's just kind of muttering his frank. And I'm like, okay, okay, I'm not sure yet. And then he goes, you got kids? I'm like, yes, yes, I have a son. I am too. He with you? And I go, no, no, my son's not with me. And Jason goes, is that the first time? And I go, yep, that's the first time I've ever left him. It is. And he goes, you okay? And I go, actually, no, I'm not okay. And he goes, oh, mama, oh, mama, it's so hard. You miss him so much. And I go, I do. I miss him so much. And then he goes, yeah, but you're going to be back with him in just another day. And he misses you too. And I said, I hope so. And he goes, he does. And then we looked at each other. And he just kind of sat back. And I went, oh, you're a sweetie. You're a total mushy, sweet little guy. So we're going to be fine. So you were shooting in Mauritius for the most part, right? Oh, but this was just for the first part. My son came with me to Mauritius. Oh, he did. Okay. Yeah, but that started to turn into its own rough thing because, you know, because even though I would come up for air on the day, I was still very deep into this character. And I remember, this is going to sound a little name-droppy, excuse me, but when I worked with Christian Bale on Dark Knight Rises, I said to him, you're a chameleon. You go so deep into your characters. How do you make it work with being a dad? You know, because I hope to have kids someday. I'd be glad to know. And he just told me, like, you've got to save a part of yourself for them. You know, it doesn't have to be an all-the-time thing, but you have to show up every day and check in with them to make sure that they know that you're in there and that you're there for them and that they have you. And, you know, what I've observed on my own is that, like, he just sees me once and he's off doing his own thing, you know? So it's not like I have to be there giving to him all the time. So I just made sure I had time to check in with my son throughout the day. But, yeah, other than that, it was very dark. Yeah. Troubled. The shoot itself wasn't troubled, but the character was. Is that hard to do? Carve out a piece of yourself or, you know, suddenly you're in a totally different head space? I'm learning. It's a new set of muscles. I don't really even know how to describe it yet, and it's kind of different for each one. It's hard when you play characters that are isolated. I just did one this summer. My God, she was such an island. And it's a little hard because, you know, I'd be holding him, but I felt like I wasn't really giving it to him. I just try to be nice to myself. I'm not big on mommy guilt, and I just don't really do it unless I really, really, really, really, really need to. And so with that one, I just say to myself, it's three months. You know, it's three months, and you're doing your best, and the way I kind of counteract it is to the best of my ability. If I'm in a character for three months, I make sure that I'm not in character for three months, so that way I come home, and so that way he's, you know, and so that way I'm never asking for him to share me for too long. I don't know if it's hard. It's just what life's going to be, so I just kind of want to figure out how to become nimble at it. I don't know that I'm that nimble at it yet. Very recently on Instagram, you did a 10-year challenge. You posted yourself on the Globe's red carpet from 2009 and the Globe's red carpet this year, and you wrote, wow, check out 2009 me trying so hard not to do anything wrong. Check out 2019 me doing what feels right. And then you wrote, wicked sweet. Yeah, Princess Diaries. What has changed in those 10 years? What were you thinking about when you wrote that? Well, I just had been seeing the 10-year challenge, and I'd just gone to the Golden Globes, and I thought, oh, I bet you I could. I got my pose down, so I was just like, I bet you I could find a pose that would just kind of show the two. And I just, you know, life moves, and you move with it, and I'm not big on looking back. But I just remember being so scared going into that whole awards season and doing what I thought I was supposed to do, and so I barely ate anything that Christmas. I hate to say that, but I remember my dad making a pie, and I just had a little bite because I thought I had to be the certain, that movie stars had a certain body. And I was so scared, and I was, I'm sorry to tell everybody that, but I was just smoking my nerves away, and I just wasn't nourishing myself. And then cut to 10 years later, I just figured out how to say thank you to life by trying to just absorb the best, by trying to nourish myself, by taking care of myself, by not apologizing for occupying space, you know, which is not something I knew how to do 10 years ago. So I just, I don't know, it's just been a journey. And I don't look that different, but I just feel like the inside has just transformed so much. And yeah, so I'm just really, I love that girl from 10 years ago. I just want to give her a hug, you know, and I'm just really, and when I look back on the last 10 years, I am really proud of how hard I've worked to get to a place where I feel good. I think for people that are fans of yours and have watched you, we really have watched you grow up. I mean, you became famous so young, and there is a remarkable difference, I think, in, and we've met a few times sporadically over the years that we don't know each other, but knowing you a little bit, but also just, you know, watching you in the world, there really is a remarkable difference, I think, in how comfortable you are with yourself now. I never thought of you as someone uncomfortable with herself, but there's a difference. But there was something a little, but there was a little fritzing, right? It seems like you seem more comfortable. A nervousness. Maybe a nervousness. And you seem much more comfortable in your own skin, and I've loved watching it. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. It's, I guess that's what growing up is, right? You know, I just, yeah. I've had some, it's funny, when you were, I have some really great teachers in my life, and when you were saying that, I was like, oh, that's so funny that I chose those words about trying to do everything right and wrong and all those things. Because one of my favorite quotes is this Rumi quote, which is, out beyond ideas of right doing and wrong doing, there is a field. We'll meet you there. And that's really what I'm much more interested in now. I think when I was that way age, and I talked about, you know, I just thought it was about deprivation. I really did. And now I just feel like that's not life, like the actual antithesis of life is depriving yourself to look a certain way. And one of the things that I'm just, I feel so inspired by this moment is the way we all, not just women, but all of us, are just kind of saying how I am should come from me. We've also seen it in your work. And not that you didn't, you have an Oscar to prove it, and lots and lots of success. So you don't need me to tell you you're a fantastic actress. I don't mind. But you're a fantastic actress. Anyway. Thank you. And in Blowing Smoke. But there's also, if you look at Dark Knight Rises, if you look, even if you look at Serenity to an extent, although it's not the best example, or Ocean's 8, you really are, I see you really, really having fun at work. And you're not afraid to have fun, and you're not afraid to make fun of yourself. And I think that has been maybe what I talk about when I say you're so relaxed now. Maybe. Maybe, yeah. I'm also just so inspired by what I see. I just like, on Ocean's 8, oh my gosh, you can't imagine what it was like to show up on that set and look up and just see seven of the most incredible women just standing there. I'd never seen it before. Maybe on set you've got one other woman. And I was just tickled by it and just so thrilled, and I just wanted to play with everybody, you know? It's interesting. Sometimes you don't. I mean, we internalize sexism and misogyny. We internalize homophobia. All of those things that you don't really realize, you've internalized until you're in a situation where it's taken away and you're so shocked. Wait, this is the way it's supposed to be, but it doesn't feel right because I take for granted that, you know, bigotry exists. Yeah. It's really interesting that you had that feeling on that set. It makes total sense. Yeah. I remember going to my first Time's Up meeting, and I don't even think we had a name at that point. And I just saw this weird disconnect for me because I've never been a girl who's had a problem having female friendships. I'm not even sure any girl has problems having female friendships, but there's this weird myth that it happens, so I feel the need to justify that I'm a girl. But anyway, so I have the most amazing group of girlfriends. They're my sisters. Oh, my God, I don't know who I would be without them. They're my heart. They're my soul. I love them. But I never believed I would find that at work. I never believed that. I just always thought, oh, you're my competition. Oh, we can't both be here at the same time. I had internalized that despite doing my best not to, and when I got in that room full of women, I just thought, this is it. This is the invitation. Where are you? Like, what is going on? I just wanted to, like, beat my heart and wake it up because I'm like, this is the moment. This is the moment for you to step into this kind of, I don't even know how to, it was like this, I had a feeling, and I didn't know how to characterize it, and I stopped believing that it was even possible, and then I got this invitation, and I had to figure out why I couldn't immediately connect to it. What was that lingering distrust? And I realized it was that conditioned thinking that you were talking about. And so I just went to this year's first New York meeting of Time's Up, and I felt a difference within myself and my ability to just be open, and I was just, my eyes adjusted. Like, these women who are doing the most incredible thing, things, who are making the world a more safe and dignified and equitable place, not just for women, but for everybody, because when there's a party, everybody wins. They're making the future brighter, and I just, the chatter of my brain was quiet. I could actually just really take them in, not taking who I thought they should be, but taking who they actually were, and that's been one of the greatest gifts of all of this. Let's go back to 2001. You have been working for a while, since you were 13. You've been on a TV series. And then The Princess Diaries sort of changed everything. What do you remember about making that movie? Getting a call, just getting the script. You get to audition for this. It just had that feeling. It was just, I touched it, and it was like electric. Oh my gosh, and Julie Andrews is in it. Okay, okay, focus, focus, focus. Meeting Gary Marshall, pretty much my favorite movie growing up. I get to meet the director of that. How extraordinary. And then, oh gosh, and then getting to make it, and be on set every day, and just get to give Julie Andrews a hug every day. That part was also very, very, very magical. And then it came out, and it was received. That part even, by the way, was magical. It just felt like this dream coming true. And then I, when I wanted to go to audition for this drama, oh, that's a good part. I can't wait to be seen for that. What, they won't see me? Why won't they see me? Oh, because I'm, because they don't think I can do it. Well, can't they, can I audition for it? Oh, they don't think I'm right. Why don't they think I'm right for it? Because I'm the princess? Oh, okay, how am I going to do this? So that's when it started to get a little bit stressful, was how do I honor this thing that has been my breakthrough, while also live my dream, which is to be an actress, which is to actually have no box, which is to have no type, which is to have no thing that I do. I want to, because I want to be able to do it all. So that took, that took some navigating. And I think in navigating that, it kind of kept the fame thing pretty low key for a while. But in full candor, it was confusing. Bill Murray has a great quote about it. He said, when you get famous, everybody gets a pass for the first few years to be an asshole. It's a confusing thing to figure out. But then after that, you have to figure it out. So, and I kind of, I realized that. So now, I just have a really light relationship with it now. You know, it's, I'm trying to, I live my life as though I'd won the lottery. You know, not as though I was famous. Oh, but that's a way of living life with gratitude, as opposed to being bothered by, you know, things that aren't great about it. It's mostly pretty great. I woke up one day, and I said, when people come up to you, and they want to tell you they love you, or that they like you, or that they've watched your movie 3,000 times, or they want a selfie, or they want a hug, or they want a picture, or they want a picture for their daughter, all they are saying is, thanks. You know, like, that's all they're saying. It's not complicated. It's not bad. It's actually immensely flattering. It's beautiful. And there's a very good chance, you know, you'll just leave the interaction, and you can just focus on the next thing. There's a very good chance they might remember that forever. So, do you want this memory to be one that makes them feel badly about themselves, or do you want it to be one that makes them feel great? Because the reason you won the lottery is because they bought a ticket. So, please be respectful of that. And I just have this really light relationship with it now. I just, I feel like my fame is a tool to make other people feel good, you know? What am I talking about? I'm not supposed to say something that out loud. No, but that's a great way to go about it. For me, it's been the healthiest, it's been the healthiest route, you know, to kind of, and also keep it in its place. Yeah. How do you tune out the negativity, and pretend like that's not happening? I don't pretend to anything. It happens. It does, and I'm just trying to, you know, everybody's entitled to their opinion. What I appreciate is when the negativity has some intelligence behind it, and some humor. Like, what I don't like is lazy, lazy negativity. Like, when you're just grumpy, and you're just like that. I don't like that. If you're going to take someone down, have a point of view, be witty, you know, maybe pun a little bit. You know, like, come on, like put some life into your negativity. Make it fun. It can be fun. You don't have to like everything, but you can't just, you can't just, I don't know, be a damn squib in this world. I mean, you can. You can do whatever you want, but I don't think you'll have a very nice time. How did you go from Princess Diaries, being seen as only a princess, we can't see her for this or that drama, to Brokeback Mountain? I only hadn't seen the Princess Diaries. There you go. And one woman, A.V. Kaufman, she was the casting director, and she knew me, she knew the theater group that I trained with in New York. Ah. She presented me as a New York theater actress who was in town filming a Disney thing, but, so I was going to come in with this weird hair and makeup, but she presented me to him as an actress, not as some celebrity actress thing that they had to see. And I, oh my gosh, I wanted that part so badly. And I remember reading the script, and they had asked me to audition for Alma, and I said, you know, I'm not an Alma, I'm a Lorene. Can I please be seen for Lorene? And I went in, and I just, I felt this overwhelming and intense connection with Ang Lee. He was so, I'd never met anybody like that before. And I was such a fan of his films, God, probably from the time I was 10 years old. You know, and so it just thought, whatever happens with this, I'm meeting a hero right now, this is incredible. And we just had a very quiet conversation, and we just kind of slipped into the scene. I had a good feeling, and I found out after that I got it. And so, and that was the moment when, you know, I was able to show a different color, a different skill set. After I watched Brokeback Mountain, it was funny, the thing that I remembered, and it may have been because I'm from Texas, and I know Silverton, Texas really well. And so Lorene and Jack really resonated with me. But I think I was mostly so fascinated in their relationship, which is just kind of a backdrop. You don't, there's not that much on the page about their relationship. It's kind of a mystery. What did you and Jake Gyllenhaal discuss about that marriage? And what was going on between Jack and Lorene? I spoke more with Ang than I did with Jake. Funny enough, and Jake and I know each other very well, and we've worked together several times. We do, we talk very easily. I think we just both kind of intuited that Jack and Lorene didn't speak that much. so we didn't, we didn't over, over discuss everything. We talked about her child a lot. You know, that was kind of our focus because it was very important to Jake that he be not seen as some checked out dad. Speaking of Bobby, did you call school about getting him a tutor? I thought you were going to call. I complain too much. My teacher don't like me. Now it's your turn. Okay, fine. So I'll just, I'll call later. So we talked about whether or not perhaps Lorene was probably the more effective business person in their relationship, and he was probably more the nurturer, but how that was, and that was their natural inclination, but that they both didn't quite know how to talk about it, you know? So we talked about that, but Ang was the one who really said it, and he just said, this is the moment for her, this night, the night she meets him, that's the most, that's her Brokeback Mountain. That's the night that she fell in love and she thought, this is going to be my life, and this is where she was going to get it, and this was her connection. And I just remember thinking, that is so sad, you know, that to have the greatest love of your life boiled down to one night and the other person doesn't even feel it. And I just imagine that eating away at the outsides of your heart until over years and years and years, I had so much sympathy for her, you know? When you set out to make the Devil Wears Prada, did you know that that was going to be the hit that it was? Not that it was. Not the, God, how many years is it? Like the almost 15 year blockbuster yet also a cult film, you know? I've seen it 300 times. I didn't expect that. I didn't know that it would be the most delicious candy to, and probably now what will wind up being multiple generations. I didn't know that, but I knew it was going to be special. And I knew I wanted it very badly. And I had to wait for seven other girls to turn it down before they got to, I was so far down on that list. And oh my gosh, I was just, oh, just every day I would be like, okay, okay. Oh, she turned it down? Okay, are they coming to me? No, they're going to her? Okay, okay. Well, let's just see what happens. And it was weird. I can't believe so many people turned it. I just thought like number eight on the list, there's just no chance. What was it like on the set? What was, okay, you were all, you pretty much having to carry a movie. And young. Yeah. You're in your mid-twenties at that point. Barely. I was in a, I was, I'm lucky they stayed with me on that point to be perfectly honest because the comedy that I'd done in films up to that point had been so, so broad that I didn't actually have any skill set yet for how to do more sophisticated adult comedy. So the fact that I'm in the movie at all, the fact that I have a performance that can be watched again and again is entirely, and I'm not exaggerating this, entirely due to David Frankel, our director, who is one of the greatest human beings I have ever met. And I am so deeply lucky that it was him that received me at that particular point in my life because it was a tricky time for me personally. And I was very nervous and I had it and I was talking about not following your anxious thoughts. I hadn't learned that yet. But there were parts of every day that were just so wonderful. I loved being with Emily and Stanley and even though Meryl was Miranda and she was that, you know, just getting to watch her work up close just felt so, so incredible. What surprised you about watching Meryl work? Her ability to, I mean as Miranda, be so removed but her generosity as Meryl that always came through underneath it. You have no style or some fashion. Well, I think that depends on what you're... No, no. That wasn't a question. Oh. When she was Miranda, she could have said, oh, I don't need to be there for the off-camera. You know, and we would have all said, that's fine, that's great, and you're Miranda Priestly and you don't have time for this. But I remember there was a scene and we were doing Meryl's coverage first and I always find it easier to act when the camera's not on me so when it's, you know, on my back and you don't see any, and, you know, because it's just on her and you just believe it so much more easily. So, we're doing this scene and it's, I'm very, like all my emotions are available to me and then they turn the camera around and I just, I just constricted a little bit. I just froze a little bit. And Meryl saw that and I saw Miranda just kind of left and I saw Meryl come in and she just changed her performance. She just made it a little bigger so that way I couldn't help but react to it. She got me off my, she got me off filter a little bit and then I got out of my head and we got the scene. So, her ability to do both of those things, that was amazing. Your first Oscar nomination for Rachel Getting Married, suddenly, there you are on Oscar night and it's, it's Anne Hathaway, it's Kate Winslet, it's Angelina Jolie, it's Melissa Leo and it's Meryl Streep. What was it like for you that Oscar night of the first Oscar nomination? Do you remember? A cloud. You know, just a cloud. Jonathan Demme changed my life. Saved my life in a lot of ways. He was such an important, he is such an important part of my life and I can't believe he singled me out for that part. You know, I just. As an addict who, it's Kim who comes in and ruins her sister's wedding. I'm not gonna argue with my wedding that she ruins it or makes it. Who's a difficult person. Who's a difficult person and a sick person and a healing person and and has this weight of this trauma from a physician she really never should have been put in but nonetheless she now has to learn how to live with. And it was the most exciting, it'll probably be the best part I ever play. I, and that'll probably be the best experience I ever have on a film set just because my soul connected with Jonathan's. So to then be rewarded with an Oscar nomination for this performance that transformed me. I didn't know I wasn't gonna win but it wasn't really about that to have gotten there. To have had my work accepted and to like be invited into that little club. I mean it was, it was just absolutely thrilling. And I got to sing with Hugh Jackman that night. You got to sing with Hugh Jackman. So that kind of like, you know, that whole like by that point the maybe I could win was such a distant pipe dream at that point. So I just focused on I get to sing at the Oscars. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. What is the difference, because you're one of the handful of people on the planet who can answer this question. Okay. What is the difference in being at the Oscars and being a nominee and hearing someone else's name called versus hearing your name called? There's a different kind of relief to each one. Because when you, it's your name, it's the relief. Oh my God, it happened. This is happening. Wow. When it doesn't happen you just go, oh thank God I don't have to make a speech. I just have to sit and smile right now. That's fine. So slightly more stressful. She was great. Slightly more stressful to win because then you have to get out. Yeah, because then like you're kind of on display for the rest of the night. I mean you usually know that you're not going to win beforehand and so your party's probably already started a little bit. But, but yeah, yeah. I think, I think, I think more, more rewarding to win obviously. Sure. But literally. But also, but definitely more stressful. You have said that you, you wish you could have enjoyed the moment that you won more. Yeah. That you were thinking, what kinds of things were you thinking that were getting in the way of enjoying the moment? I was just, I was just not in a grounded place in my life. You know, I was still, like, I never wanted to go on and on about it. But that weight loss was not a long-term good thing for my health. And it took a really long time to come back from it. In order to do the transformation, I'd lost… To Fantine. To play Fantine. I'd lost a lot of weight in a very small amount, in about two weeks. So I lost an unhealthy amount of weight in, in a very short amount of time. And I was still really sick because of it. And so there was that. And, I don't know, I had just turned 30. I had just gotten married. I didn't have, you know, which are two huge, even the most positive things, can be upheavals to your identity. So to just have this moment and not really know who I was in the moment when you just feel like you're on display, you know, it just, it wasn't a comfortable feeling, you know? And I didn't do what I'd hoped that I would if I ever found myself in that moment, was to just stand up there and really be empty enough to say thank you. I think I was not full of myself in an arrogant way, but full of myself in an uncomfortable way. And I, you know, life went on beyond it, and I feel, like I said, I feel much emptier now. It would have been nice if it had happened then, but, you know, I'll still take it. It happens when it happens. Speaking of the Oscars, the Oscar host job is available this year. Oh, yeah, I know. Apparently, you could do that again. Oh, can I? Oh, wait a minute. Let me grab my, where's my phone? Oh, I'll just do that later. I'm still mad at James Franco. He gave you nothing. He didn't give me anything. He didn't. God, I just remember the night before, like we're about to go up there and me turning to everyone and going, I just have, am I too much? Like, I just, this feels really big to me. And the producer just went, no, don't do less. Keep, do more if you need to. And I was like, oh, okay, I guess it's going great. And I didn't realize that, what was happening about that whole thing. Hey, can I, can I dish some tea? Yes, you can. Can I dish some tea about this one? Yeah, please do. I turned that gig down, and James is the one that convinced me to do it. Why was he a practical joker? Was this an evil plan? If he turned around and said, I'm pranking you right now, I think I would have been okay with it. I would have been like, that sucks, but it's epic. And so he might still turn around and do that on all of us, by the way. You know what, he could, because he just has strange projects going on all the time. But that was like, when all the dust settled, I was just like, your first instinct is usually the right one. And all the reasons why I turned it down came true. All of them. Which were? Like, it's just, why? It's a no-win situation. You're not trained at this. How is this going to enhance your life? Like, all of the reasons why, even the people who do it spectacularly well, like Hugh Jackman, Jimmy Kimmel, Ellen DeGeneres, they usually just get a meh, you know, from everyone. It's a really hard gig to stick the landing on. The other reason why I shouldn't have done it is because I'm only funny in character. You're not a stand-up comedian. I'm not a stand-up comedian. I don't have a brand of humor. I'm still glad you did it, because it's a good story. Cool. Glad for you. No, no. It's a good story for you. Well, you know what? I think the net positive, the experience of it, I learned so much from it, I think it's going to be a net positive. But yeah, living through it was... A lot of this interview has been about your evolution. And your good friend, Emily Blunt, said that being with the right person has been a major part of her growth. She's talking about Adam Schulman, your husband. Do you agree with that? Oh, yeah. Definitely. Somebody this morning was saying, your husband just has the best energy. Like, the greatest energy. And I just thought to myself, yeah, I mean, look what it did for me. You know, he's... Yeah, I'd go on and on about it, but he likes to stay private. When did you know he was the one? When I heard his name. Why his name? He wasn't there. I heard someone talking about him, and I knew that he... I didn't know he was going to be my husband, but I knew I needed to meet him. And when I did meet him, I just looked up, and I just thought, oh, there you are. And yeah, and we just... We kind of... We didn't know our first date was our first date. We kind of like... We were just playing it by ear, and we were like, let's see how this goes. If it... And I remember saying to someone, I said, well, what happens if you don't get along? I said, if we don't get along, we went somewhere together. And I said, if we don't get along, it'll be 24 hours out of both of our lives, and if we do get along, I don't know, we'll probably get married. And so we went on that first date, and we just kind of never stopped. Thank you, Anne Hathaway. Aw, thank you very much. Thanks for the interview and for your time. Congratulations on Serenity. Thanks for your kind words. I love Serenity. It's trippy. Everybody go see it. And I'm still holding out hope that you'll take that Oscar with you. Aw, don't hold your... Bring an oxygen tank.