Mikki Willis: How Invisible War Conquers Nations

our creative genius our music and everything has been hijacked with these demeaning and demoralizing and divisive messages and that's our creativity and we need to reclaim that filmmaker Mickey Willis is the creator of the plandemic documentary Series in this episode we dive into KGB Defector Yuri bov's warnings to the West in 1984 and how he proved shockingly precient we know how to navigate military war but when it's a psychological War when the deadliest things that any nation has ever said is that can never happen here and we discuss Mickey's upcoming release planemic the musical everyone's trying to evade being cancelled these days so I say to everyone get cancelled this is American thought leaders and I'm Yan Kell Mickey Willis such a pleasure to have you on American thought leaders thanks Yan it's great to finally be here well I I'm absolutely thrilled to have you we've talked offline a lot about Yuri bezoff yes and Yuri bezoff back in the 80s I think it was 1984 ironically ironically or unironically I I don't know actually these days right he he talked about subversion he talked about active measures he talks in a language and you've put together this you know amazing short to kind of that encapsulates you know all of his ideas that he was trying to desperately share in 1984 for earlier right that when we see them today we're thinking my God this has all happened I mean it was was depression like what or or did this actually happen well I think that's the scary part really and why I keep drawing from historic warnings like the work that I featured in the Great Awakening with G Edward Griffin and his historic War warning in the 60s he was telling everyone that communism was not dead it was coming and and and that we need to beware and and then in 1984 that same man G Edward Griffin interviewed Yuri bov and here we have a KGB Defector a man who escaped once he realized truly what kind of psychological subversion that the uh Soviet forces were forcing upon other nations around the world and he made the trk to America risked his life in a really really uh High fashion in this sense that if they knew what he where he was coming and what he was doing he would have been taken out immediately I mean the bravery and the courage that it took for this man to come here to go on camera and to warn America what was coming and and that there was something invisible and that's that's the real terrifying part of this is that that we know how to navigate military war but when it's a psychological War when it's invisible and it's happening happening in such a way that that even really wise and intelligent people can't perceive that's the stuff that gets to even the most protected and so he came here to let us know what was taking place and he was shocked in the 80s because he didn't realize he'd only see visions of America being this you know Land of the Free Home of the Brave and he got here and realized how far Advanced that the active measures already already had reached in the United States and it was shocking to him so he took it upon himself to do interview after interview to warn US America let me tell you from my perspective as a former KGB propagandist this is what's happening to to the minds of your people and you need to be very careful because as he said in the film Time Bomb is ticking and the danger is coming closer and closer the the time bomb is ticking with every second the disaster is coming closer and closer and no one listened to him and I think one of the deadliest things that any nation has ever said is that can never happen here and we've been saying that for too long and now unfort it's happening here our conversation is with Mr Yuri alexandrovich banov he escaped to the West in 1970 after becoming totally disgusted with the Soviet system and he did this at Great risk to his life he certainly is one of the world's outstanding experts on the subject of Soviet propaganda and disinformation and active measures when uh the Soviets use the phrase ideological subversion what do they mean by ideological subversion or active measures in the language of of the KGB or psychological warfare what it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of Defending themselves their families their community and their country it's a great brainwashing uh process which goes very slow and it's divided in in four basic stages uh the first one being demoralization it takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation why that many years because this is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of of of your enemy exposed to the ideology of the enemy in other words Marxism leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of of at least three generations of American students the next stage is destabilization what matters is Essentials economy Foreign Relations defense systems uh and you can see it quite clearly that in some areas uh in such sensitive areas as as uh defense and economy the influence of marxist leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic I I could never never believe it 14 years ago when I landed uh in this part of the world that the process will go that fast uh the next stage of course is Crisis it it it may take only up to six weeks to to bring a country to the verge of Crisis you can see it in in Central America now and after crisis with a violent change of of power structure and economy you have so-called the period of normalization it may last indefinitely what do we do what is your recommendation to the American well uh the the um the immediate thing that comes to my mind is of course there must be a very strong National effort to educate people in in in the spirit of real patriotism number one number two to to explain them the real danger of Socialist Communist whatever welfare state Big Brother government if people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development nothing ever can help United States you make kiss goodbye to your freedom I as I said I am now in your boat if if we sing together we will sing beautifully together there is no other place on this planet to defect to he was just seeing something that was actually happening and I think to myself you know how is it that so many of us just simply didn't grasp this at all I mean like not even a bit for the longest time it's time for all people to realize that we play a part in this Awakening that we all do there's been this well by Design we've been wired to wait for the superhero to sweep in to save us and it's never happened and it never will happen there's a real true calling if you understand what the the work of Joseph Campbell in the hero's journey what the hero always discovered on the journey ultimately so much so that it's become cliche through a lot of the iconic movies that have us used the Hero Journey structure and that is the forces within we are the one we are the ones we've been waiting for whatever the line is the hero goes out to find the reluctant hero goes out to find the hero only to discover that the journey was building him or her up to the point that they could dissolve everything that wasn't the hero so they could stand and truly awaken to the fact that they are the one they've been waiting for and so you know I think that's an very important message for the mes to understand right now that that it is like the cells in the body of an organism all of us bring life and all of us matter and when the cells are fighting and when the cells are stagnant the body the organism is not healthy and so it's time for us to revive that call for life that call to procreate that that Call to um uh take back our creative talents our creative genius our music and everything has been hijacked with with these demeaning and demoralizing and divisive messages and that's our creativity and we need to reclaim that and bring our truth and the light to shine into these dark moments and for me that is that is what we've been building towards for generations and when I look at it from that perspective I feel very fortunate to be alive in this moment and to get to play some little role in this Awakening so I wanted to take a quick break to tell you about something that's actually quite important to me I've been kind of resisting uh getting a sponsor for the show for some time there's been numerous offers let's just say Patriot Gold group came to me and that gold is actually something that I've been thinking about quite a bit because we're in very volatile times very unpredictable times so gold is the place that that I think is a one of the few kind of stable places to put money uh and Patriot Gold group is a good company we checked them out and so I bought some gold with them and you know the value and this is 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them well you're touching on something that is a a remaining issue for me and a concern a major concern for me I have two two kids 9 and 12 years old and when I look at the level of demoralization that's taking place in America I believe that a lot of the the tyrannical policies and a lot of the movement towards these the woke agenda and and the esgs and a lot of these things will be dissolved and we'll come back to a place of I think there's a lot of people waking up to have have a sense of patriotism that they would otherwise not have but they've learned to love their country through all this mess so I think on one hand it's going to be um we're going to elevate our Consciousness in in in to some degre agree but this level of demoralization that is leading to mental illness is something that I can't see us you know being rid of that for a generation or so and because what's happening out there mostly through a lot of the the apps that are indoctrinating our children from such a young age to to believe that nature is so fallible that they could be in the in the wrong body that there's that there's no intelligent force that that could possibly um help them uh heal that that um that dysfunction and I look at that and I and I wonder sometimes you know where is the safe space for my children you know where are they going to have really strong very clear-headed boys that that my wife and I have brought them into our world so they understand everything that's going on they're very bulletproof to any of these ideologies they hear a kid you know at at camp or whatever no say you should got to hear what these kids are saying dad you know they they they know the difference between what's real and what's natural and and these fabricated new ideologies they know what's good for them I'll put it that way but it's been it's been difficult as a parent that wants to grant our children freedom to go participate in sports and baseball and the trampoline park and all of that and and but always have that thought in my in my mind of of what are they going to encounter through this demoralized and I have to warn them you know because so many kids at a very young age now are watching porn very very young and and they start to talk about it my my 12-year-old son has already had kids say hey I want to show you something he goes my dad warned me about this I don't actually don't want to see it you know cuz I told him what it will do to his mind I said it's your curiosity will want to see it more than anything because there's some natural tendency in you to be curious about about our gift of procreation and so that's what causes us to to be attracted to the opposite it's sex that drive to procreate so that's natural but but this this form of sexuality that that's hypersexuality and dark and demented um if you allow yourself in your formative years to experience that it's it'll very likely negatively affect your relationships moving forward and the way you relate to women so so be very careful of the long-term effects of these Curiosities and thankfully my boys so far have been really strong to resist seeing that stuff that they have been um offered to see before well this is an issue that's incredibly important to me my supposition is that this is one of the really huge elephant in the room issues that no one ever wants to talk about probably because so many people have been compromised by it right um I'm talking about this sort of ubiquitous available extreme from what's been described to me because I've also try to avoid it at all costs porn right and available to you know from the moment you hold a device instantly have you actually seen this whole there's been the as we're interviewing the last few days people have been experimenting with this Google Gemini have you did you have you have you seen what's going on with that personally experimented with it but you get you get the idea yes okay this probably must be one of the most powerful AIS out there right by Google right with with the you know most comprehensive database of information probably out there it misrepresents P history and images in very extreme ways it it will not portray human be it won't portray white people positively in some cases it will refuse to portray them at all talking about ideological subversion demoralization this is kind of where we're at it's horrifying it's really horrifying to see the level of of subversion psychological subversion that if you think humans are capable of that this the AI can take it to the next level and when we when we start to uh limit the honest portrayal of humanity through technology it's a real issue but it's not shocking to me at all at this point understanding that if you back up to understand first of all what is the agenda well America because of our constitutional agreement that to protect the individual from the possible tyranny of authoritarians that is one one of the main reasons that America there are other countries that are far more beautiful tropical beautiful places but no one is is escaping they're not escaping to America just for its beauty they're escaping because of the Constitutional protection the individual rights that we're all granted with they're escaping because they recognize that in their third world countries that the families have been diminished that they they don't quite have the freedom of speech that we're here losing here in America day by day to be themselves to have that basic human right of expression and so they all want to come here now a America being the firewall for the globalist agenda and what I what that means is there's a major agenda but now that we to to create a one world everything a centralized power centralized currencies all of that so that those who want Total do domination and control on a global level won't have outliers certain countries that are playing a different game and we saw that that's what's happened with Co where there were certain Nations and certain States within our own nation that didn't play the game and now we have outliers that we can look at and point towards as probably the be best case studies we'll ever have to say why is Africa 4% vaccinated and and the people are doing better healthwise why did these nations or states that didn't close down their economy didn't do social distancing didn't force their citizens to lock down why is their economy better and their health rates are better what's happening there and so for them to achieve their Global agenda they can't have these individual territories thinking for themselves and so once you understand that that's that's at the root of their agenda then you understand well if because of America's strength not just military strength but but but the the pride in America the spirit of America Americans are very different than a lot of people around the world for better and For Worse what then do you do to erode that firewall you have to understand what that firewall is comprised of and then what are the compounds that will erode and take down that wall and um and that is the foundation of our nation and so if you look at everything that is worth living and dying for ask yourself you have your viewers ask them ask yourself what is worth living and dying for and I guarantee you whatever your answers are to that those things are under attack some people would say faith family Freedom country every single one of those things are under attack when you have the majority of Caucasian European archetype of people then of course and and that men are primally intrinsically the protectors the Warriors of course then white men are going to be on that list of things that must be dissolved they can't have that in the way of this agenda that is um I I believe now more than ever is failing now everyone's aware of it and just in the past four years that's the beauty of the tragedy of Co is that it it it allowed a lot of this stuff to come to light and that's that's why the my latest film before the next one we releasing I I decided to name the Great Awakening because I truly believe that we are in in the stage of the Great Awakening at this moment remind us where you came from we we talked about you were you were on a short hit with me on an American thought leaders now but I I I would love it if you could just uh kind of remind us your your journey to making these films and you know focusing on Yuri banov and frankly other piece is realizing the the TR the true threat of the Chinese Communist party which I think is still a lot of people don't but so tell me your story yeah well my my story in a nutshell is that I was born and raised in California and as a result of that I had one political party to choose from and that was the left and I became a I would say a far-left progressive I went on the road with Bernie Sanders in 2016 to produce media for him well wh why was that attractive to you like why why did you gravitate there do you think yeah thank you there is a backstory to that and that is so I was raised by a single mom and she had four kids on her own and she was part of the welfare system and so Bernie's rhetoric about helping lifting up single mothers really reached me cuz I thought to myself I remember the first time I heard him speak I said out loud where was he when I was growing up we were very we were very poor my sister still uh told paper from the gas station at the end of the month so you know we would run out of our our our funding and um but despite that I I always felt that I had a great life because I had a truly loving mother and then my brother my older brother all my sisters and brothers were 14 15 16 years older than me uh my older brother contracted AIDS he was gay and so I watched him live with AIDS for eight years and then Anthony fouchy came out and prescribed a medicine known as a now my brother would have lived forever he was doing well but his doctors told him that this is the thing that will actually make HIV go away mhm and so he started on the protocol and he got worse worse and worse day day by day he looked like a skeleton of a man it was really hard to witness that and my mother was concerned cuz she would tell the doctors this is not working he's getting worse and um I'm concerned about my son and they said no no no this just acclimating to the medicine and um if you take him off it he will die and so very similar to what's happening right now in America with so many people that were coerced and forced into getting the vaccine and then it ended up damaging their loved ones they're dealing with that right now the grief the shame the the guilt of that and my mom was a cancer survivor lived with cancer for 20 years and would have lived a long life but the guilt and the shame of knowing that she was part of the decision to keep my brother on that deadly protocol and she didn't listen cuz my brother's Community was saying the medicine is killing people not the virus the medicine um it was so much for her to handle that she allowed her cancer to come back and within 34 days after my brother's death my mom died and so it was a huge wakeup to me and I it it it I developed this this distrust for Western medicine at that point as you can understand as a young man I think I was 23 but I went on to pursue my uh my career in Hollywood and I was in front of the camera for a few years and and really fell out of love with that very fast I didn't like the attention I didn't like I I I I I was much more interested in watching what the crew was doing you know and and how they were lighting the set and and uh so then I I went to behind the camera I built my own theater I taught acting for a number of years and and directed stage and theater plays and and really cut my teeth doing that um and then I went to first thing I ever did behind the camera was in in the Heyday of infomercials I was asked to to co-direct an infomercial for the vitamin Vitamix machine okay and it did really well and so suddenly I'm directing infomercials of all things which actually informs some of my work right now because there's a you have to learn a lot of how to how to understand the audience that you're speaking to because it's they're long form commercials right and you know how well you've done by uh the sales reaction of the product that that you're selling right so so it was a it was a great education for me to understand the psychology of of of how to speak to the audience through the medium of of video and um but then Flash Forward uh I stayed out of politics I was totally allergic to anything that sounded like a conspiracy theory every time I'd hear the word Illuminati or all this stuff that people would pass around Hollywood I would just roll my eyes I would wanted nothing to do with any anything that was that sounded like some crazy conspiracy theory but then I'm on the road uh Bernie comes out and I get inspired by his rhetoric and and I I get really fired up and he's passing through my hometown I get a press pass and while I'm filming him a couple of celebrities that were traveling with him one of them had been following I used to release a lot of videos fatherson videos on Facebook and it became very popular so Rosario Dawson the actress she had been sharing a lot of my videos and she came up and saw me behind the camera and said why don't you go on tour with us we're doing a whole tour with Bernie uh all the way from California to Philadelphia and we'd love to have you and I said sure let's go and so I jumped on the road with them and traveled from California to Philadelphia and in that time is when the Great Awakening happened political Awakening happening for me because I started seeing these young people that were wearing sha Vera shirts and linen shirts ma zong hats and stickers and communist sicking hammers on their laptops and their water bottles and I thought I asked one kid I said are you are you trying to be edgy what what is that out on your laptop there and then you know they kind of pulled me behind the curtain and said well Democratic socialism we're all Democratic socialists and what we really want is communism and I and I and I laughed I thought you you're joking right and he said no no no he but but I can tell by the way you're reacting that you think it's the communism that no no because it's a different kind of Communism and it's one that's never been attempted and it's benevolent and it's and as I started Drilling how does it work what is good about it why why is it different they it basically led to the state owning and controlling everything they're going to we're going to redistribute the wealth okay where does that money go to and then how does it get redistributed through the government I said so you're giving the government more and more of your tax money more and more power you understand this is not a new communism this is this is what has always happened I know enough about that to know that at least and so it was a shocker for me long story short I came off off the Bernie tour brokenhearted and it was my political Awakening I wanted nothing to do with politics ever again and um and that's when I started to do my research and and study what was really going on with this thing called Democratic socialism and I all roads traced back to China and influence from other other you know Soviet Marxist ideologies that have already been attempted and been atrocious uh around the world and so I thought I have a moral obligation now that I helped Elevate Bernie's campaign and this message I need to spend the rest of my life on the other side of this and now being a better journalist and and undoing some of the damage that I feel that I was pardoned and perpetuating well and somewhere along the way covid happened and so and so how did you react to that well so a year before Co happened I was introduced to Dr Judy mikovich and I was told that she had an Aaron Brockovich type story and that we should turn it into a movie so I met with Judy and I liked her immediately and I knew that she was an honest person I could just get that that she was she might be wrong about data but she's telling the truth from her perspective let me look into this conversation I had with her and uh and everything checked out and it was kind of shocking to me but I was committed at the moment to a documentary that I was making called The Narrative to expose Western media because I also done a lot of jobs in the in in mainstream media and I've been in boardrooms and i' I I I know how it works and I was so tired of it being so divisive and doing so much damage and as a father I just thought I have to I have to expose Western media and so I told Judy I said unfortunately I can't make your film I'm tied up for the next 18 months but um I I'll I'll pitch it around because I think it's a movie that needs to be made Flash Forward a year later pandemic is announced I knew immediately as soon as I saw Anthony fouchy I remembered and so I I immediately called Judy and because I remember from my talk with her that she she worked with him and I said I want to get your take on this what do you see and she started to go as Judy does a mile a minute and I ended up inviting her to my studio and I said let's do a little interview just like we're doing now and I'll edit it together on my own and I'll pay for it and I'll I'll put it out on fa my Facebook and I'll give it to you and maybe you can use the get your movie made cuz I always felt bad I wasn't able to make her movie as I'm doing the interview I'm listening to it I'm thinking to myself if this is true the world needs to know this and so I took that footage I edited our interview and then I asked her to give me all the contacts from everyone attorneys prosecutors everyone that she had experienced that she had contacts to during her trial and everything that happened to her I called every single one of them them and every single one of them said everything she's telling you is true that is one of the most honest ladies that her one attorney said he goes I have no dog in the fight I don't represent her anymore that was 10 years ago I'm going to let you know she's the most honest client that I had ever represented um she's a wonderful woman trust what she says and I said wow okay and then I started to look up Ralph baric and the NIH and the you know the University of Chapel Hill and all these things that she mentioned the B do act and everything checked out and I realized this is more important I need to raise a little bit of money turn this into a short documentary and take this serious because I think there's a bombshell of information here so we did that put it out in the world and to my absolute you know utter shock I thought the ticker counter was broken on Facebook because just overnight it's getting millions of views and at the beginning Yan it was just people saying thank you there're people crying saying you you you have you had this helped me realize I'm not crazy I knew something was going on and it felt wonderful 2 days later after this thing goes mega viral and has hundreds of millions of views the media steps in and because all they could see online of me that I was I was a lefty they couldn't call me far right they couldn't put me in that category of Neo-Nazi and so they just went hard after attacking my character my wife my family so much so that my little town which is known for being one of the conscious meccas of Califoria California which was ohigh California someone online started a petition to make my family move and they were reporting us to Child Protective Services to take our children all for trying to wake people up to the realities of what was really happening but that film goes on to become the most um seen independent movie in history with probably somewhere around one and a half billion views at this point because of the power of the people I gave the file to the world and I said download it because I know that they're not they're going to shut my counts down put it on your computers and share share share and the world became our distribution model and um and I'm forever grateful for the people for doing that yeah um and they've continued to do that with the entire series astonishing story and of course there's been multiple I guess sequels now to to the original film with this you know Great Awakening most Le recently and I think and a musical coming like that's right people think people think it's a it's a some kind of a joke or a meme online but no we actually created plandemic the musical which is marking I said let's go out with a bang for me it's it's time to move on to to other work and and so the musical for me is a real it's only 20 minutes long but it's it's an epic little movie that we've been working on for two years and it's a real call for people to stand up and to revive their creative genius and and and bring their you know their unique gifts to this to this fight this historic fight and and um and I'm it's it's actually exceeded my expectations a musical it was risky it was fun uh you know to have an idea it was I I think it was three years ago we were actually at D big tree's house uh buddy and another you know very um uh beloved Freedom Fighter out in the world and and I may maybe induced by a glass or two of wine we my friend had a acoustic guitar who turned out to be the musical director of planemic the musical uh deepo and we were making up songs trying to make light every the world was at lockdown at that time and here we are all 50 people no mask and drinking wine and enjoying you know uh Thanksgiving dinner and we're singing parody songs and it it was so fun and entertaining that I looked around the room and I realized we need to we need to we're not poking fun at this because it's a very it's a very serious tragedy the greatest crime against humanity ever and and people have suffered and died so we're not poking fun at it but it's time to use the power power of comedy and music and and and and the human genius to to also recognize that while they're chipping away at everything worth living and dying for while they're making jokes uh a crime a punishable crime while they're cancelling everyone for daring to think for themselves it's time for us to counter that and go in the other direction kind of what happened in the in the in the age of the Renaissance that's why you see the costumes are so fabulous people were so oppressed by the Dark Ages that when they came out they came out so fabulously you know to to to say I'm here we've arrived I'm back and I'm not going to let this Darkness smother me any longer and so I feel like that's what's going to really make the difference globally is when that creative colorful beautiful human spirit is Unleashed again because it's been so oppressed and that we we reverse engineer the the agenda and what I mean by that is what are we afraid of and sometimes it's best instead of to run away from what we're afraid of but to run into it so everyone's trying to um evade being cancelled these days so I say to everyone get cancelled do everything in your powers honestly it's difficult in the in the beginning once you understand that you have a lot of people that are posing as friends that suddenly turn on you it's shocking but the other side of getting cancelled honestly they say the truth shall set you free it is it is the pathway to freedom because now I can just be me say what I want to say and all the people around me in my life know what I stand for and they they they stand there with me and I and I'm I'm no longer when I was um part of the farle I realized we're all bonded by agreement we're not bonded because we love each other because we relate to each other because we're we're chemically attracted to each other we're B resped by ideological agreements and if I don't check every single box within this cult I'm out it's a very fragile way to be in relationship with people and people are waking up to that right now they're realizing they're saying I'm all for the trans movement but I don't know that 250b men should be compete biological men should be competing in MMA against women we've already seen one one female have her skull crushed I don't know oh you're out of the club you have to agree with every single check every single box that's what we call collectivism and that's what you have to do to be able to survive within a collective based upon and bonded by agreement is you have to shut down your critical thinking ability your individual thinking ability so that you are not constantly challenged by the statements and beliefs of your tribe you have to just shut it down and go I'm just I'm safer not to think safer not to listen to what they're really saying safe or not to to to examine these ideologies that I'm Marching for you know I I don't even think about it just March just hold up the sign and you see this when you see man on the street interviews of people that they're out there marching and and and so absolutely passionate about a cause and then somebody puts a mic in their face and they ask him a simple question of like you know i' what a you know one thing might be you know Trump is a racist absolute racist um can you give me one example of where he's racist well it's obvious everywhere well just one one example well I mean he said find people on both sides no actually that wasn't actually true right they've bought into something so passionately that it that it leads them to go to a protest and to chant something that they have no real world evidence to support that's collectivism that's the dangers of collectivism that is creates a hive mentality and that is the way that China has captured 1.4 billion highly intelligent um uh you know Chinese people are are are are are disciplined Smart in general smart intuitive people how do you get them to cumb to a model that they're living under right now and that is collectivism you know it's very interesting you know I I started out as a CH in China human rights before I kind of you know came into Epoch times Epoch times is one of the few outlets at the time that would remotely be honest about the Chinese Communist party and its role in China and its impact on the Chinese people and frankly you know absolutely egregious crimes against humanity I'll use that term okay now but you w weren't looking for that like for for me I knew this I came in knowing that right so I I want to understand that and I think I think especially since our Focus as a society you know right now and legitimately it's on you know Russia Ukraine the Middle East when we think about you know our our foreign engagements and so forth but but it's always away from you know what I perceive is dramatically the greater threat and I think you know the evidence is overwhelming but how did you come to that what was your path there right well I will say each subject that I could identify as an issue and so sometimes I'll have a big white board behind my editing Bay and and as things come up as social issues we'll write them down on the board you know border security fentanyl uh you know the indoctrination of of our our our children with critical race Theory or whatever it might be boom boom boom boom certain names keep showing up and why if I want to look at the fentol crisis one of the greatest killers of Americans right now and I want to find out what's the source of that and then you you learn that almost 100% of it's coming from China you go well that's that's interesting we need to look into that further okay let's look what is this confucious institute thing what's happening with this and then you start to just look in general what are the things that you can't criticize what are the questions you can't ask as they say if you want to know the truth and you want to know who's actually ruling over you just look at the the the people and things you can't criticize and you can't you can't investigate and the more I looked into this the more I kept seeing all these recurring names and I looked into you know the the production of precious uh minerals everything that develops our cell phones and the B batteries and and and I started to realize that even if they were an ally and one of the best for America even if that were the case it's not but even if that were the case the power they have over us is even dangerous just being so dependent upon another nation in this way the the power they hold over us when it in terms of trade and and then to understand that much of the Marxist Socialist Communist ideologies that our College professors are passing on to their students these days a lot of that has been exported also from China and when you start to look at every area it you just can't you just can't deny at a certain point there's something happening here and it's probably not good it feels like we are being we are being invaded and that that there's a war taking place that perhaps these countries that realize that we all have nuclear power now so a a war at the scale of having two or more superpowers like America and China go to war with nuclear Powers would pretty much lead to the annihilation of all countries so how are we going to do this and last time you and I sat down we were in La uh and I think at that talk someone someone asked me why I thought China was such a danger and I want to be clear I love the Chinese people but I'm talking about the Chinese Communist party uh and I said the tortoise and the hair and I think you said what do you mean by that and I said well we have been wired for instant gratification we are moving so fast in the US we that we get frustrated when our cell phone when the little wheel comes up for three and a half seconds we get frustrated we want it now and China and the the the Chinese mentality operates in a way that what some might call the hundred-year Sprint right very meticulously methodically at a rate that you like we can't you never will witness the grass growing in your yard only till you step away for a few weeks and you come back and you realize it's grown and so that's what makes it dangerous we we are the hair and they are the tortoise in that we're running circles and exhausting ourselves with all these ideologies and arguing over all these superficial trivial points while China is laughing Iran is laughing Russia is laughing and they're gradually encroaching on our territories buying our land our food supply our Technologies spies everywhere and with the intention to become the dominating superpower what does that mean for the survival of Americans I don't know um but that is taking place and there's already predictions that China in just a few years will be the economic superpower of the world and what does that mean are are dollars collapsing what what will that mean for our future it's time that we wake up and understand that that there we need the answer for me is sovereignty everything must in the same way that we developed a technology called blockchain w- which is a decentralized technology we need to start looking at how do we decentralize in such a way that we bring back that constitutional individual power that we become self-reliant as an individual as the county as the city as the nation as every layer produces its own food its own energy its own power so we move in the opp Opposite direction of globalism which is a centralization of everything for me that's the answer everything everything we choose everyone who's running for office if they're not not focused on coming back to becoming Sovereign again us becoming a Sovereign Nation dependent upon No Other Nation by literally knowing that we have it all within our nation we can take care of ourselves and every individual State and County also has that Sovereign ability to say we're good and and and just like every family at the micro level every family take care of yourself you know spend more time getting to know your children because the children are being raised by iPads these days you know have dinner again at the table speak to each other you know talk about how we protect ourselves come back into that TR traditional those traditional roles where the father can be the father again and not just the stupid voice in the corner you know and the and and and and the mother can be that beautiful nurturing important figure in the upbringing of our children and upbringing of Our Generations um come back to those things because those are the things that that we've been lulled away from and convinced that they're wrong that they're bad that they're outdated that they're the cause of why America has done so much damage in the world and America has done much damage in the world but not Americans the American government in the same way that we can't be so myopic to hate another nation's people because of what their what their authoritarian tyrannical government has done we need to start looking at each other as humans again and and not these um these these machines under the strangle hold of a force that is all about division and dependency and so what are we dependent upon and can we come back to putting our hands back in the soil again growing our own food again educating our children because our school systems this is you know you mentioned that we would get into the story regarding porn I think it's one of the the the most demoralizing dangerous tools being used to destroy both boys and girls now it was a boy thing before but it's now reached little girls and females have surpassed men now in depression and anxiety now the women look at Tik Tok and and uh and all the other apps where these women are pouring their hearts out in tears they're 40 45 50 years old realizing that they were Bamboozled into a life that is now uh LED them to loneliness and anxiety and depression because they never had the gift of having a child of having a man to love and protect them and and those are the things we have to recognize as the most destructive the most dangerous all of these ideologies that have repelled the the innate Primal attraction between men and women is where I want to start by undoing that to come back into our natural way of of being and and co-creating life together you know um we're going to need to finish up in a moment two quick thoughts you know first of all talking about the CCP the Chinese Communist party there we already know what they Envision it's this incredible power of the technocratic social credit system all encompassing encroaching on every aspect of your life right and you know it's it's it's curious that in the west we've become ourselves more obsessed with creating a similar thing and I think that also speaks to that to that subversion I don't think I don't think it's the natural human inclination not by a long shot the second thing is I would love to and you know this is something we can discuss but I would love to collaborate with you on a short episode on the effects of porn because I I truly have not been able to um tackle this properly just very few people seem to really know much about it very credibly right just they're worried like me right that this is probably a massive issue that no one wants to touch a lot of people don't even want to know about it in a sense so you're the audience like that I've observed that whenever I've tackled this issue people are a bit like I I don't think I want to know right I also understand that but I also think it's incredibly important exactly as you do so perhaps we could you know collaborate on something small to kind of expose us more to understand it to understand you know it better I would love to and you know and find so any final thought as we as we finish yeah well on that note I recently directed a piece for Prager University called Mia which which ST which is an acronym for men masculinity in America and it was shocking to me although I thought I was up to speed on the damage that porn has done we had a lot of top experts in this short documentary talking about what has really transpired and so I I would be honored and and and would jump at an opportunity to to get something like that out in the world and and and really get the latest statistics out there of what's happening because it's a drug and it's like all drugs there are gateways that lead to deadly drugs and so that's what porn has become you know in my day in our day maybe it was Playboy was the woo that was the big thing right yeah and and so it's starting with nude photos to softcore to hardcore and it ends up in this in this world where strangulation porn well the the things that have been described to me are unfathomable things it truly is and when you have a 12-year-old boy thinking that women want to be choked when they're making love it's a problem and so some of these young boys have made that mistake in their in their exploration of their sexuality and have been charged with rape or something horrible because all they know is they thought well that you know Dad didn't teach me I have no you know the dad isn't there for some reason and and I learned from watching these horrible people do this sacred act on camera and so I yeah anyway it it needs to be said and we'll we'll go we'll go deep into that it's moment we have some free time we'll talk about that more um but I you know in answer to your question in closing I I do want to say to you that I appreciate what um Epoch has done I appreciate what you've done I consider you to be one of the most classy interviewers out there today truly open getting to know you and having conversations with you the level of humility that you bring knowing that you've sat down with with with people so much smarter than myself and have learned so much yet you have this childlike curiosity about every subject as if you don't know it um is what makes you um so compelling to listen to and the the level of conversations that you've had I've used a lot of the work that this network has done as my research and and I I am just really grateful that you guys are doing what you're doing and um thank you so much for supporting me and my work also well that's very kind you know Mickey Willis it's such a pleasure to have had you on thank you so much thank you all for joining Mickey Willis and me on this episode of American thought leaders I'm your host Yan Kell [Music] [Music]