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Hello everyone, Yuen Papa is here now. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We have just started. Hello everyone, welcome to the live broadcast of the Sun Yat-sen Forum. I'm Gigi Cheung. Today's guest is Mr. Yuen Kong-yee, the founder of the Hong Kong Parliamentary Elections. Hello Yuen Papa. Hello everyone. Hello. Hello, Mr. Wu Man-yin, the expert on international human rights issues in China. Hello, Mr. Wu. Hello, Gigi. Hello everyone. Today is July 1st in Hong Kong, the day of the global retreat. A few days before July 1st, on June 25th, the House of Representatives of the US Congress passed a bill to protect Falun Gong. It requires the CCP to immediately stop the practice of practicing Falun Gong and the practice of anti-organ harvesting. It also requires the US to impose sanctions on those who participate in and assist in the practice of anti-organ harvesting in China. The sanctions include the freezing of property, banning entry to the US, The bill still needs to be voted on by the Senate and signed by the President to officially become a law in the US. Later, other countries, international organizations, and the EU may follow suit and cause international chain reactions. What do you think, Yuen Papa? I think it is very rare to do this. Very, very rare. Why? We are all Chinese, right? We have been bullied for thousands of years. We can't do anything about it. We can't organize ourselves. Fortunately, Taiwan is doing well now. Taiwan is a place where the people can continuously elect their own president. The government can also elect their own president. But generally speaking, Chinese people are bullied everywhere. You have been persecuted for more than 20 years. We have been persecuted in Hong Kong for more than 20 years. We have been persecuted for more than 20 years. But you can organize yourself like this. In the strongest country in the world, the country with the strongest human rights in Hong Kong, there is a law that is being passed. It hasn't been passed yet, but it is being passed. It's not easy. It's not easy to get through the House of Representatives. In the future, at least it can be a country with the strongest human rights to help you get out. You can say that. To help you get out. If they do something, at least you can be punished. Of course, it's impossible to be punished in China. But for the time being, if someone comes out, they can be controlled. This is a very important thing. Why do I agree with you today? When you were doing the topic just now, you said 25 years. I didn't think about what 25 years is. If you say this law, I will definitely understand. Because you have been wronged for 25 years. I don't understand this. So the problem is, this is a very good thing. Why? China still has more than 1 billion people. And including Hong Kong, including other places, are also being persecuted by the Communist Party. If you can do it, we have to learn from you. In the end, those who have been persecuted, even those who have not been persecuted, must at least get the same, hope to have the same legal protection, or at least help us speak out. Then there are other people in the mainland, or people from other countries, who have not been protected. We have to do our best. So your leading role is very important. It's not easy for me. Especially when the people have to organize themselves, have to unite and demand justice, and demand to fight against evil. This is actually what we Hong Kongers need to learn. I am very serious today. Why? You know, I am doing my best to help Hong Kong people. We have to learn from you. So I hope we can discuss this more today. If we can do this, Hong Kong, we still have, Taiwan is actually being persecuted, but they dare not speak out. They are afraid of offending the CCP. If it is normal, they should speak out. Although they have elections, they should speak out. The people's sovereignty is in the hands of the people. So, Tibet, and then Xinjiang, there are many people who have been persecuted. The same goes for Macau. Macau is obedient, but it doesn't mean it hasn't been persecuted. All of this should be led by you. You should teach us how to do it. It's not a joke. This is very important. Human rights are more important than anything else. Because under human rights, there is rule of law and freedom. We need human rights. So I think, I must tell you this. Sorry, I was a little late. I must tell you this. We must all expand it. You are now going to the House of Representatives. I hope you will also go to the House of Representatives. Once you go to the House of Representatives, the President will definitely be elected. We will follow you. The CCP is very anxious about this. In the end, we hope that the U.S. has a bigger law that can include more people who have been persecuted. I would like to ask Mr. Ng. The U.S. Senator has said that this bill is already 25 years late. It should have been passed 25 years ago. Mr. Ng, please tell us. The British say, late is better than never. It is better to be late than never. So I think this is a very serious and breakthrough event. Why? I am new to Europe. Since the Falun Gong was persecuted, the European Union has issued three statements. The European Parliament has issued three resolutions. The first resolution is to strongly condemn the CCP for persecuting the Falun Gong. The third resolution is to strongly condemn the CCP and demand that the Falun Gong be stopped immediately. But everyone should remember that this is a Parliamentary bill. What is a bill? It is not a law. It is just a way to tell you that I condemn your way of doing things. It is a violation of human rights. You should not do this. But there is no law. So the officials below only know that the European Union thinks that it is wrong to persecute the Falun Gong. It is a bad relationship. But it doesn't matter if I act or not. But this time, the U.S. is different. The U.S. is against the Falun Gong. Although it has not been fully approved, the House of Representatives has approved it. According to my experience, the House of Representatives will definitely approve it. But it is impossible that it will not be approved. President Biden will definitely not dare to offend the House of Representatives. He will definitely sign it. So I think this is for sure. Emma just said that we should learn from the Falun Gong. I also practice the Falun Gong. But I don't dare to say that you should learn or be a leader. But we can definitely exchange experiences with each other. Lily just said that we should have done this 25 years ago. Of course, this is right. But there is no other way. People are like this. People need a process of recognition. Because Falun Gong practitioners have the most important principle of truth, truth, and patience. The third one is patience. It means to have patience. To be able to endure. If you can't move, you will lose your temper. I remember that At that time, as a human rights activist, and also a Falun Gong practitioner, in 2001, I was in Sweden. This is Indonesia. Indonesia is the UN Human Rights Headquarters. So I went to Indonesia. At that time, I met a lot of ambassadors sent by each country to the UN. That is, UN Ambassadors. One of them was a German ambassador to the UN. After I talked to him, he said something very meaningful. He said, My experience is that you use such a peaceful and rational way to let the whole world know who is evil, who is innocent, and who is being harmed. If you can maintain such a friendly and rational way to continue to tell a lot of people, the winner will definitely be you. I was almost moved at that time. He said, You must remember to be patient. These things are not that simple. People's brains don't change that easily. He was right. I can introduce Falun Gong practitioners. In 1999, when Jiang Zemin launched a comprehensive crackdown, Falun Gong practitioners went everywhere to tell the truth. To tell people the real truth. Not the propaganda of the Communist Party. Falun Gong practitioners did a very good job of telling the truth. They think the most important thing is to tell the truth to the government and the parliament. To tell the truth to the media. At that time, many people in the government and the parliament thought that China was a very big market. In terms of money, they listened to what they wanted to hear. Of course, the Western politicians when they speak publicly, they say they support human rights. But they also want to make money. So, when I heard the victims of Falun Gong, I was really sad. Many Falun Gong practitioners were executed. Thousands of people were executed. There are records. There are no records. There were more people killed. That's right. There were more people killed by organ harvesting. There was no way to get the data. But Falun Gong practitioners are very patient. So, at the beginning, they did not agree to make a decision to condemn, to issue a statement to condemn. After a few years, this time, it was really very interesting. The first to issue a very strong condemnation was actually the European Parliament in 2013. I was personally in the European Parliament in 2013. At the end of the work week, they passed the condemnation. In 2014, the U.S. House of Representatives also passed it. After that, they continued to emphasize and emphasize. Until now, it has become a break in the law. Another main object of truth I just mentioned is the media. Because the media is very important. Many people believe in the media. But the media, many major media in the world, they all belong to a certain financial group. The financial group is CNN. I remember in the past, I don't know if it is still the same now, it belongs to Time Warner. Time Warner. It is still the same now. Time Warner's big boss, he has a lot of companies. CNN is one of them. He still has a lot of companies that have business with China. So I remember one year, Time Warner's boss, someone told me, you didn't know, he said he was going to Beijing to sign a big contract with江振文, to do a big business, Frame Agreement. In the end,江振文 didn't sign. Why didn't he sign? Time Warner was in a hurry. Why didn't he sign? He said, he said, I am very, 江振文 said, I am very willing to do business with my friends. But your CNN, what he said, doesn't seem like a friend. Because at the time, CNN reported that Falun Gong was persecuted. That's it. He said he was no longer a friend. As far as I know, Time Warner immediately called Atlanta at the time, and told CNN's officials. Basically, what he said was, keep your mouth shut. Keep silent doesn't mean lying. Right? That's what I heard. After that, what is the truth? The truth is, after this incident, CNN never mentioned Falun Gong. Never mentioned. Think about it, CNN is the biggest in the world. Never mentioned. Really never mentioned. It started with Falun Gong. When江振文 was still in office, he mentioned it once or twice. After that, he never mentioned it again. So, the big media all over the world are like this, are afraid of being threatened by the CCP. Because the CCP, as I said to江振文 just now, if you support Falun Gong, I will not give you business. It's that simple. So, many big media belong to the big financial groups. Therefore, everyone is afraid of being threatened by the CCP. Never mentioned. I remember, many people, many Falun Gong practitioners, visited the media all over the world. Many times, the reporter himself, he has a conscience. A good person. He was very willing to listen to us. He wrote it all down. As a result, the newspaper did not publish it. Later, I inquired why it was not published. Because the editor-in-chief said it was wrong. It was not suitable for use. This is a political issue. Falun Gong practitioners, I think, as I said, what is their strongest point? I remember, in 2000 or 2001, Falun Gong practitioners said, hey, none of them reported it. What should we do? Someone said, we should do it ourselves. This is the fact. In 2000, there was no Epoch Times, no New Tang Dynasty, no Hope Star, no China, nothing. At that time, everyone decided to do it ourselves. I can also reveal, at that time, when I participated in a meeting, I asked everyone, hey, who has worked in a media company? I have experience. At that time, there were more than 20 people sitting there. Only one raised his hand. In the past, CCTV in mainland China did marketing. Nothing else. We continue to do it. So I remember once, I met a senior media person. He talked to me. He said, your Epoch Times, many years ago, 25 years ago, he said, your Epoch Times, how did you pretend? I dare not say. Did you pretend well? I dare not say. But there is one thing I admire. You are very brave. You guys are very courageous. He meant that basically none of us is an experienced media person to do this kind of media. And at that time, the media was going downhill. The media was getting more and more difficult. Because of the appearance of the Internet, etc. We did it like this. I can only say, you guys are courageous. You guys are very brave. What I want to say is, sometimes, there are things that need to be seen in the long run. Don't look at it. You can't rush it. Because the changes in people's society are not that simple. If you don't say a few words, it will change. So you must persist in doing it. This is what I want to say. Lily. Emma. This time, you passed the U.S. House of Representatives. Then, it is estimated that you will participate step by step. Of course, there is not much time left. There are about six months left for this term. This term, the U.S. House of Representatives has about six months left to participate. I think there is no problem. I want to ask you, this is really a law. In the past, what you said, what you said in Europe is called a resolution, a resolution. A resolution is not a law. A law is an action. It is an action. I want to ask, if you are in Europe, is there a chance that in Europe, or in a certain country, you will pass the same law? Is there a chance? I think there is a possibility. But it won't be that easy. It won't be that easy. Right. In Germany, in Germany, in fact, the German government has done twice something that the CCP is very excited about. Because most of the European countries are relatively small, they don't dare to speak up. They use the EU to speak up. The EU asks everyone. But in Germany, in 2002, the German Foreign Minister spoke at the UN Human Rights Conference. In front of the representatives of the Communist Party, he said, First, the persecution of Falun Gong must be immediately ceased. The persecution of Falun Gong must be immediately ceased. That's all. He said, so this is very strong, relatively strong. Because it was the UN General Assembly at the time. There are reports all over the world. Another one is, five years ago, Falun Gong was persecuted for 20 years. The German government, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Human Rights Commissioner, issued a statement to strongly condemn the persecution of Falun Gong and to immediately cease it. This Human Rights Commissioner, I have seen it three times. Every time, he has to deal with the CCP, not every time, almost every time, he has to deal with the CCP officials in the so-called Human Rights Dialogue. In the Human Rights Dialogue, he will meet, he will invite representatives of many human rights organizations to talk to him about preparation work. I have participated in it three times. This person is very good. A woman, her name is Dr. Kobler. She is a very kind person. When I was talking to her about organ harvesting, some German officials would doubt if it was true. She said no. In fact, she had studied it. She had made a conclusion that it was true. So when I raised this issue, she asked me another question. How can we work together to solve this problem? How shall we work together to solve this? She didn't have any doubt at all. This is a fact. When I was talking to her, the first thing the German government had to do was to publicly condemn. Because the CCP is very afraid of being publicly condemned, especially by democratic countries, especially by smaller European countries. Because European countries are on the one hand more democratic, they are democratic, and they are small. On the other hand, the effectiveness of condemnation is even greater. Why? If the Chinese mainland knew that the German government was condemning us, they wouldn't have... If the American government was condemning us, they would have been brainwashed. The American Emperor died for me. So if the American government was condemning us, they would have condemned us for everything. But when the European countries were condemning us, it had a special effect. These two are the most... But I think European law scholars will definitely talk to European countries, especially the EU, about this. Can we learn from the US to make a law? Because the law is... It has a vulnerability. It doesn't have it at all. In my understanding, when this law is passed, if American officials are harmed by the Falun Gong, and at the same time, it can provide protection, without protecting the Falun Gong, then it is illegal. In my understanding, this is the law. So the people below are very proactive in doing things. It doesn't matter if the decisions were made in the past. There is no restriction. You should only do it morally. So this is a big difference. I hope Europe will do it. Yes. Yesterday, I sent a speech by Peng Chengkang. Yes, I saw it. Do you have a chance to see it? Yes, I saw it. So I said, I also added a few words below. I said he was also... Of course, he spoke very nicely. He was very nice to the Hong Kong people. He was a British gentleman. Yes, he was a British gentleman. He was a gentleman. But there was no content in it. It was just to show you that he was doing things. But in fact, Britain signed the Sino-British Joint Declaration with the CCP. At this time, the CCP destroyed the Sino-British Joint Declaration. It is already unparalleled. All the rights given to Hong Kong people were destroyed. Logically speaking, the British should face the Chinese. To be honest, even if they go to the International Court of Justice, it is still a possibility. But today, Britain said you destroyed the Sino-British Joint Declaration, but never mentioned what to do. As you can see, almost all Hong Kong people have left. More than 100,000 Hong Kong people have left. So, to put it bluntly, this is called destroying the people. Of course, there is no such thing as the law that can be seen by the people. Whether it is physical or mental, it is a form of oppression. But now, in Hong Kong, there are many people who have been interviewed. Some people can't leave Hong Kong at all. Because they have been arrested before. They are famous in Hong Kong. They dare not leave. So, the problem is that the level of oppression is not as serious as you. The time is not as long as you. So, this case, I just came back from the UK. You know, I wanted to come and see you, but I didn't have time. So, I think Britain should do something. But Britain is very busy. If the Communist Party wins now, it will be even worse. The Communist Party still dare not offend the CCP. So, I think the United States is really amazing this time. Americans really respect human rights. It is called the father of human rights. Human rights are given to you by God. So, this is very rare. Britain is given to you by the emperor. Britain has a constitution. The emperor signed the constitution to give you partial power. Of course, it is still democratic now. But the situation is different from the US. On the contrary, the EU is quite good. But it is not a problem to ask it to agree. But it is very difficult to ask it to make a law. Because if one of the countries does not agree, you can't get through. So, this is also a big problem. But like you said, the only thing is to be patient and take one step at a time. If the whole of the EU can't do it, or one country can do it, there is a way. Or it is also a way to intervene in international human rights. I think this is very important. Why? For the time being, we have no other means. The economy is not big enough. We have no army, nothing. This is the best way to use the law. In terms of law, there are such laws that everyone can see. It is supported by the people. If all the House of Representatives pass this time, the House of Representatives represents all the American people. Right? Every two years, only once. I am not joking. So, the MPs will die. They have to work again. They have to go back to the election. To ask for votes. That is, to ask people to vote. So, I think this time, you are very successful in the US. We have to work in the US. But the next step, in the future, in Europe, the UK, to be honest, is afraid to do anything. Because it is afraid of offending the Communist Party. The British in Hong Kong, the British in Hong Kong are still making a lot of money. Because they are not just making money in Hong Kong, they are making a lot of money, their agents, a lot of products, enter the mainland. They are making a lot of money there. The British government is afraid of offending the CCP. Afraid of offending the CCP, the British in Hong Kong are being persecuted. So, this is also a problem. It's not that they can't speak, they have ulterior motives. They are really being threatened by the Communist Party. They can't do anything. So, we don't care. So, first, we have to work in the US. Then, in the future, what will Europe do? I think, we are lucky, we are talking about the Hong Kong Parliament. In the UK, you remember, in the past, Hong Kong was a British colony. I remember when I was young, in the 1950s, I studied primary school in Hong Kong. I left Shanghai and came to Hong Kong to study primary school. There are a lot of… You are also in Hong Kong. There are a lot of British people. Do you remember? There are a lot of British people. Because they think it's a British colony. All the British companies in Hong Kong, even the bigger companies, all have branches. So, we call them foreign companies. Under the name, Hong Kong Foreign Trade. Hong Kong Foreign Trade are those British companies. Which are located in those places. And then, a lot of British people are in the Hong Kong government. A lot of British people are in Hong Kong police. A lot of British people are in the Hong Kong soldiers. A lot of British people are in the Hong Kong schools, hospitals. A lot of organisations… A lot of organisations have a lot of British people. So, I think, these people, the so-called qualifications of our Hong Kong Parliament, what's the so-called Hong Kong people? They are originally from Hong Kong. I've been in Hong Kong for 7 years. Last time I was here, I stayed for a week, and I was doing my homework. I wanted to ask them to vote for us, to be a part of the Hong Kong Parliament. To be a part of the Hong Kong Parliament. And there's another definition of the Hong Kong Parliament. The next generation of Hong Kong people will have the right to vote. There are more than a million people in Hong Kong. More than a million people are still living in the UK. I went to the UK to call on these people to support the Hong Kong Parliament. That was my first step. But I just ran into the UK elections. The July 4th election in the UK, I couldn't do much. I wanted to hold a press conference, but we were late. After the election, I had to find a way to convince these people. They have feelings for Hong Kong. A lot of people who have lived in Hong Kong, you know this, you've seen Hong Kong in Europe, you've seen Hong Kong in Hong Kong. Don't say you've lived in Hong Kong. You have a very good impression of Hong Kong. You have feelings, you have friends, you have connections. If they are British, what more do they have? I originally wanted to convince the British to help us. Because the British can see it clearly. They are different from us Hong Kongers. Hong Kongers are very scared. They are afraid that if they vote, the Communist Party will withdraw from the election. Or the National Security Law, Article 23, the organization will add charges. The current law is up to them. But the British are not afraid. The British don't go back to visit. And every year, they vote. There are a lot of votes in the UK. There are district councils, there are national councils. So they are not afraid. And the British feel very angry. Why take all Hong Kong's assets? How much do you think Hong Kong's assets are worth? Hong Kong's assets are worth at least tens of billions of dollars. People, horses, railways, roads, all the government and Hong Kong's resources. Everything is handed over to the CCP. The only thing you have to promise is to respect the human rights of Hong Kong people. You can't do any of that. It's completely against the law. So I think the British will, for this reason, we are not asking for a lot, nor do we want them to donate anything. We just want them to vote. I think this is possible. It's not that easy. We still have to do the propaganda work, how to get them to vote. But I think it's possible. Theoretically, it's possible. There's a lot of work to do. You see, I've been in the UK for so long for this matter. I went to France for a day. There are not many people in France. There are not many Hong Kong people. But it's rare in the UK. There are quite a few in Canada. These countries will be very helpful to Hong Kong in the future. Yes. I agree with Herman. The UK is a very important country for the Hong Kong issue. But I think the UK is not the Great Britain or Britain's stronghold So they are afraid of the CCP. It's always been this problem. So they should have a good relationship In fact, the good thing is that the UK can actively strengthen relations with the US. In fact, between the UK and the US, there have always been a lot of blood relations, cultural values, etc. It's very close. But in recent decades, there have been a lot of anti-American movements in Europe. It's very popular. You can feel it. A lot of people in Europe, at least in France, they can blame the US more than the CCP. It's troublesome. But I think after the fall of Europe, especially the Conservative Party, it should strengthen its relationship with the US. If it has a close relationship the US will be the backbone. The UK will not be so afraid of the CCP. Because in history, the UK has made a lot of steps. One of the reasons is the so-called return. In 1984, when Mrs. Chiu went to Beijing to negotiate, Mrs. Chiu had no confidence. As far as I know, I remember when she went, what did she say? She said, Hong Kong and Kowloon according to the Beijing Treaty will forever belong to the UK. New Territories was rented for 99 years. It will expire in 1997. I am here to extend the lease for 50 years. That's what she said. When she went, the old traitor, Deng Xiaoping, I thought you were here to discuss how to return Hong Kong, Kowloon, and New Territories. All returned. What are you talking about? If you keep talking like this, I will send troops tomorrow to return Hong Kong. So Mrs. Chiu had a heart attack and almost died. So when she came out, she left the People's Congress. She fell from a building. That's the reason. At that time, the reason was because the US didn't vote to be your backer. So if you want to go, you can't go. The UK can't go. Everyone knows that when Deng Xiaoping was in 1984, Deng Xiaoping had taken over the US. President Carter said, no problem, we will support the CCP. China's economic development is good for human rights, good for democracy. So at that time, the US thought China was a big market. So they didn't support the UK as a backer. It has always been like this. After the Second World War, the UK had to reclaim its sovereignty. The CCP said, be careful, you have conditions to reclaim your sovereignty. What are the conditions? They said, we want the CCP to rule Hong Kong. But you are not allowed to touch my advertisements. The CCP is the underground Communist Party in Hong Kong. The UK is a secret response. We won't touch them. So everyone knows, Hong Kong has never arrested a Communist Party agent. They are everywhere. In Mong Kok, every two buildings has a CCP underground Communist Party agent. But why did the UK not arrest them? They have some secrets. I think at that time, the US had not yet recognized the CCP's true face. Yes, it was related to the war of recognition. It was related to the war of recognition. Because it was beyond the imagination of ordinary people. But after the anti-extradition movement, most Hong Kong people started to believe in the CCP. Later, Hong Kong people apologized to the Falun Gong practitioners. I remember this incident. Actually, what Ms. Ng said is very true. But the US had not yet recognized how evil the CCP is. How evil it is. What do you think, Yuen Papa? I would like to add a little more to this issue. Just now, I said the Conservative Party lost the election on 4 July. The Workers' Party was mostly in power. The Workers' Party had no feelings for Hong Kong at all. Because, behind the British, was the Conservative Party. Most of the British were from the Conservative Party. The Conservative Party was a capitalist party. The Workers' Party was a working class party. But, if there are more than 1 million British people who feel that Hong Kong needs to do something, this is a force. I would like to say that mobilizing the people is the key. You Falun Gong practitioners are so successful today. Whether it is through the media, or through this law, in fact, it is a force for each of you practitioners. Then, the force will be great. If one or two people can only find a few people, it is useless. It must be mobilized by everyone. Then, it will become a force. I think that in the UK, we hope that we can do a part of this. I hope that a group of British people who love Hong Kong, we call them Westerners, we hope that they can have a voice. In addition, we have the right to vote for the tens of thousands of people. All BNOs have the right to vote. Together, we can form a force of about 1.2 million people. It is effective in the UK. We can't say that all of them are gone. We have to do something like this. To be honest, Mr Ng, you have done a lot in Europe. I know that you have been following up. But there are not many of us who really work. Everyone loves Hong Kong. If we can really do something, some people say that they have to find food in the UK. So, it is not easy to find people to help. Everyone has a heart, but it is useless. In the future, we hope to learn from you. We will learn how to do it. The US has to do something. The UK can do something. The UK has always listened to the US because of money. Now, the US is still a powerful country. The UK is relying on the US in the Ukraine case. Basically, the UK can do something, but the US is behind it. Speaking of the power of Falun Gong, the most important thing is the power of the spirit. Falun Gong practitioners come together not for economic gain or political gain, but because they have a common belief. They believe that good people should be good people, and good people should be good people. In ancient China, people believed that good people should be good people. Good people should be good people. All of them are good people. Therefore, Falun Gong practitioners rarely fight. They rarely fight. Therefore, the power of Falun Gong practitioners is great. Speaking of this, from a strategic point of view, Hong Kong people should also On the one hand, what Elmer just said is right. Hong Kong people in the UK should mobilize and support Hong Kong people in the UK. On the other hand, the government should also do something. If the Communist Party wins, as we all know, it won't be very supportive. However, the US should be more supportive. Therefore, I think we should create a law to protect Hong Kong people. A law to protect Hong Kong people. Actually, the principle is the same. Hong Kong people are persecuted by the CCP. The US officials and US citizens have a law that requires them to protect the persecuted Hong Kong people. I think there should be hope. Because the US people have a good feeling for Hong Kong people. Thank you. I think this time last Thursday and Friday's debate Trump's win rate is relatively high. In this situation, Trump's win rate is high. This time, there is a big chance for the Senate. Because the Senate changes people every two years. They think a lot of Democrats will withdraw and the Republicans will have a chance to win. In addition, the House of Representatives if all three of them succeed, your bill will definitely have no problem. As for us, the Hong Kong people protection law you even changed the name. If we can do it, there is a clear chance that it will pass. If it passes, So I want to refer to a lot of things. For example, if the Communist Party persecutes you, you can't come to the US, you will be sanctioned. We can learn a lot from you. The content inside, how to punish them, how to deal with these people. Hong Kong is the same. Now Hong Kong is being persecuted very seriously. Even the judges are helping to persecute. We have a lawyer, a prosecutor, plus the police. The police are also persecuting our Hong Kong people. So those people will all be punished in the future. I think one experience is very important. Falun Gong practitioners organize a international investigation. Its full name should be Coalition of Persecution of Falun Gong. That's what it's called. International investigation. The Coalition of Persecution of Falun Gong. What do they do? They collect all the people who directly participate in the persecution of Falun Gong practitioners. For example, a certain police officer or a certain prison officer. All kinds of officials. All of them have participated in the persecution. They have killed people. All kinds of crimes have to be registered and written down. Why? This method is like the Second World War. The Nazis. The Nazis did this to the Nazis. The Jews did the same. The Nazis' officials and Jews were all recorded. So when the trial is held, they will be used as evidence. Even before the trial, there is a certain power of shock. The bad guys will be scared. This is very important. For example, if you suggest the House of Representatives to pass a Falun Gong protection law, the members of the House of Representatives will ask if you have any evidence. If you have recorded everything, there will be a lot of evidence. Falun Gong practitioners are very patient. They are all selfless. They use their free time to do these things. They remember all the bad guys. So it is very powerful. When people ask you what evidence you have, you will take it out. I have experienced this myself. Once, in a big city in Germany, the mayor of Heidelberg went to Hangzhou to visit his sister city. At that time, he heard about the Falun Gong. He asked what evidence we had. We gave him a list. All the Falun Gong practitioners were arrested by the police one day or another. They were arrested illegally. They had to face forced labor, torture, and even death. They were all handed over to the mayor. At that time, the mayor was speechless. So when he went to Hangzhou, he talked to the mayor of Hangzhou. He really took out the list. He said he wanted to know the whereabouts of the Falun Gong practitioners. That's what I heard. Of course, the Communist Party said that the Falun Gong practitioners were lying. But they were still scared. There are many... Also, the media coverage is very important. Because all the major and minor cases of the Falun Gong are covered by the media. They are all covered on this website. It is all covered. Who is involved in the persecution? Who arrested them? What did the police say? What evidence did they have? How many years have they been sentenced? All this evidence is covered by the media. The whole world can see it. The evidence is here. The whole world can see it. Because it is all covered by the media. This is also very important. That's right. Wenyin, you know that we are now setting up a Hong Kong Parliament. In the future, the elected members can form a small group to do what you just said. Everything must be kept in mind. Who did what in the future? It will be investigated in the future. It will be investigated. You have to mention the law and the evidence. This is what you said. This is very important. Do you see that I am actually learning from you today? I am sorry. This is related to our organization. Most of our issues are related to the Hong Kong Parliament. This matter is directly related to the Legislative Council. It is very valuable. So I should tell you. You are right about the spirit. You have spirit and faith. At that time, the Americans also had faith. Those people were basically Christian Catholics. When they went to the US, basically, almost every American was a Christian. So they said that human rights were a gift from God. This is religion. This is faith. If you don't have faith in religion, you won't be able to maintain your work. You won't have enough energy. You have to calculate your profits. Of course, you can't calculate. You can't make money by doing this. So, faith is very important. If you only rely on profits, you won't be able to do anything. You won't be able to do anything. Right. We Catholics believe in God. We don't necessarily believe in religion. We don't engage in religious rituals. On the surface, you have to understand the relationship between people and God. Yes. So do the Jews. Yes. Jews can serve the country, but their faith is very important. That's why they have been fighting for so many years. Yes. They are still fighting. They are still protecting. They have been fighting for the past few days. It's not easy. Because the Jews are very selfish. They are always doing business. But they are willing to sacrifice for Israel. So, faith is very important. Right. What do you think, Lily? Lily, we have another program later today, right? I'm sorry, we can't talk about this today. OK? We don't have to talk for an hour. The most important thing is the content. And Lily, please send it to me. I want the people who are preparing for the Hong Kong Parliament to watch this. It's very important. OK, no problem. Please give me the link. Yes, no problem. Thank you both. See you next week. OK, bye-bye. Bye-bye. Thank you. Bye-bye.