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Today we are talking about the so-called non-foreign permanent judges But the so-called 47-person case, the 14 convicts They are now being handled in the High Court Not in the Central Court But when these cases go to the Central Court The non-foreign permanent judges will need to be handled But because the so-called High Court is handling these cases They will still need to be handled under the so-called National Security Law Simply put, you are subject to the restrictions of the National Security Law Firstly, you are subject to the restrictions of the National Security Law Secondly, the judges have already been selected It may be that the ideas are closer to the CCP People who are closer to the CCP will be selected At the same time, everyone understands They have their own rules If you are a national security judge You may be able to get a fair judgement in the judicial system If you don't judge well, or if you don't judge well enough When you go to the Central Court or the High Court You will be pushed out This will affect your own attempts So everyone will be more brave To judge more seriously Everyone understands that the Central Court The Central Court now has a human rights committee to judge Under these difficult circumstances It's hard for everyone not to have any reservations If Hong Kong is involved in a case of national security The judicial system in Hong Kong will collapse It will be completely isolated from mainland China Or even more isolated than mainland China Yes, in the past few years Hundreds of people have been arrested because of the National Security Law They have been deprived of their legal rights For example, most of the people in Hong Kong Because of the National Security Law And become defendants They have been refused to be compensated Even if they can't be compensated, it's still quite violent Many people have been detained for a long time Among the 47 democracies in Hong Kong Some defendants have been detained for more than two years Is this a form of legalization? Legalization doesn't mean it's reasonable What the judges can judge is not very bad What the judges can judge is whether it's legal or not Do they have the right to do so? But because Article 23 and the National Security Law Give the right to the judicial system Can be done according to the National Security Law In fact, if you look at Article 23, the 7-person case They were detained in February 2021 It's been more than three years Of course, there is a reason The serious case of the National Security Law At least five years Simply put, they may be forced to sit for five years They have been detained for more than three years It has not yet exceeded the so-called minimum sentence I can only say What the judges of the National Security Law do Judging is legal, but it doesn't mean it's reasonable According to the Hong Kong National Security Law What the judges can do is Judging whether the law is legal I can't agree with them doing this It's not reasonable If you look at it from the perspective of the National Security Law It's not a crime Simply put, you haven't been sentenced You should be free But the Hong Kong National Security Law Has completely overthrown this idea If you pose a risk to national security You will not be protected These are not common law cases Or common law practices It also violates the principle of no crime It is also completely contrary to the basic principles of the Hong Kong National Security Law Contrary to the principle of no crime I can only say What the judges do is based on the law It's legal, but it's unreasonable It's also not rational At present, there are eight overseas judges in the Hong Kong National Security Law Three of them are from the UK Five of them are from Australia and Canada These eight overseas judges May have received a lot of overseas attention What do you think? I believe that some overseas judges in the UK When they are on duty, they may not be on duty There are three more Of course, as I said earlier The judges have their own timetable They may be handling the cases in their own countries Secondly, if they are handling cases that are not related to the Hong Kong National Security Law If they don't use Article 23 or the Hong Kong National Security Law to sue They may have the space to do the work that should be done according to their training Simply put, if they follow Article 23 or the Hong Kong National Security Law I think they have no space But if they follow the existing law They have a certain amount of space It depends on whether they were invited to handle the case At that moment, whether the case is related to Article 23 or the Hong Kong National Security Law There are not that many cases in the Hong Kong National Security Law The judges may not always need to handle cases in Hong Kong When they are not handling the case When they don't know what case to handle They may continue to maintain this status If they are not invited to handle these cases To handle other cases, such as commercial cases They may be able to play the case freely But when it comes to cases related to the Hong Kong National Security Law Or cases related to political issues I believe at that moment The British judges may slowly consider whether they need to postpone the case or not Yes, the judges in charge of the case Usually consists of the Chief Justice, three Hong Kong judges And a judge from a foreign country As a judge from the Central Court of Justice The salary of overseas judges is up to 40,000 pounds Yes But I don't think money is a critical issue Although 40,000 pounds is not a generous amount of money Everyone understands that the whole judicial system is the same If some people in the judicial system want to make money They may not choose to be judges They may choose to be so-called big shots They may make a lot of money When they choose to be judges I can't say that every judge is like that They may feel that their contribution to the law is greater than the other That's why they choose to be judges I don't think judges choose to be judges because of the 40,000 pounds So they don't want to postpone the case or not They have different considerations They may still want to have a certain amount of money But there are two sides to this One side is that a good judge may feel Even if I am a bad judge, I can do more in the space Of course, there are also some people who say Don't be close to these bad judges Don't add more bad judges to the Hong Kong system There are two sides to this But I believe that the UK is unique Because the UK was the so-called central power during the colonial era So for some judges in the UK, their history may be more extensive So the number of people who left the country Or because the number of people who left the country was more So the number of people who left the country is bigger But you can see that after 2020 There are no more judges who are willing to be judges Basically, only judges from Canada and Australia are willing to be judges So no matter how much money they give They may not want to add more to the Hong Kong system Yes I don't think money is the most important factor We should treat the judges who have been in the system Or the judges who are still in the system Don't give them too much suspicion They are in this position because of money Yes, that's right The mother of the former Hong Kong Speaker of the House, Lau Kuan-chun The only public housing unit in the East China Sea Was claimed by the government The House of Representatives claimed that there was a lease Violated the lease agreement The notice was issued on March 8 Terminated the lease agreement Completed the procedure in June Recovered the public housing Here it says there was a lease Everyone wants to know when it happened There was a lease Was it just a few years ago? The House of Representatives did not specify Is there any suspicion of forced housing acquisition? It's like a文革式抄家 強行沒收房屋 株亂九族 Mr. Chen, what do you think? First of all, in Hong Kong In the past Recovering a public housing unit Was actually a very long time In the past Some units may take a long time to recover Of course, this is related to whether the owner is willing to move out If the owner is willing to move out First of all, in Hong Kong There are a lot of public housing units Are owned by Chinese people Chinese people If they are They can apply for a lease Directly from the Chinese government To the Hong Kong Government Simply put Even if a lot of people Can't pay the rent It's not that easy to move out Of course One important point is Why would a public housing unit be recovered? Such a thing Is exposed to the press Even if the person who was recovered They may not necessarily want to be so high-profile To put it simply If it's Luo Kuan Chong or his family When they want to express their opinion They can hold a press conference If they choose not to hold a press conference If they choose not to expose They may choose to be low-profile So we have to respect them But even if we respect them We have to see If it's the so-called tenant General situation If you want to rent Even if it's a lease It will take some time To move out There are also a lot of public housing units They don't have money The process of applying for a lease Then to get the lease That period Public housing units Generally speaking It's not that easy To get the money If the unit is When someone lives in Hengshun So this matter It took three months To finish I believe I didn't I didn't ask Luo Kuan Chong I didn't contact Luo Kuan Chong's family Because maybe they want to be low-profile I just infer Maybe the landlord Or the tenant Sorry, the tenant The tenant didn't have A normal communication with the tenant So in the absence of communication The tenant Used the law To allow To take back the unit And put some Assets The assets in the unit Moved to that unit The unit It's clear Within a period of 14 days If the tenant Went back to get the unit If they didn't They would have to Keep the unit Until they have time to take it back That law Maybe for a short period of time Like 14-15 days So is it related to the demolition? It indirectly has an effect But if the tenant Is willing to take it back The law allows him to take it back But of course Is this an abnormal situation? In such a short period of time To be able to Take back the unit This period of 3 months Is legally allowed to be done in the shortest time This is I don't believe there is a violation of the law Because Whether it's taking back the unit According to their lease Whether it's a violation of the law But simply put In the past, the Hong Kong office Had a lot of flexible mechanisms This time, there is no flexible mechanism It's done in a very tough way Maybe If the tenant doesn't have a normal relationship They will take action unilaterally But I I see it this way There are two things The first is Why is this matter Revealed to become A news? Why do so many media Reveal and report it? Of course it's Lai Kwun Chung But even if the tenant Is taking back the unit He shouldn't Reveal this matter Because this involves Personal privacy Even if the tenant Is taking back the unit He shouldn't Reveal it in such detail This is the first thing The second thing is It's very obvious that It's not a private matter This time, I'm just Saying In a certain way This is a low-cost method To suppress the so-called Those who have been notified Or those who are still overseas If you know that Lai Kwun Chung Has been notified To attack his family Or supporters Lai Kwun Chung Is not the first one Among the eight Who have been notified Many families Have been invited to investigate Recently Chow Hung-tung In prison Involved in the so-called Kidnapping His family Including his mother And his uncle Have been arrested We don't know if they will be prosecuted There are other members For example, Lai Kwun Chung's wife Has also been arrested It seems that Many protesters Especially some overseas His family Seems to be involved Or especially Involved his family Simply put The government may use different methods To attack Some overseas Hong Kong supporters If his family Is still in Hong Kong He will attack them In different ways Either arrest and threaten Or Use the so-called Anti-corruption law I think These are the methods To suppress As a unit The Ministry of Defense Is working hard But there is such a good case To highlight Its effectiveness More than the current method The Ministry of Defense Has announced That the relevant units And 55 items will be found outside the building Including television, Fridge, air conditioner, etc. The Ministry of Defense Has taken the items away And will be back in 14 days But It seems that June 3rd Has already passed 14 days The items Belong to the Ministry of Defense If they are leased They will be fine Will the Ministry of Defense Be in a hurry To move the items away? Of course, I don't want to speculate The method of the Luo family I believe There is a Possibility that They have no communication And can't contact It seems that In the past If the tenant Was still in the unit The Ministry of Defense Would be lazy To clean up the site I don't know The Ministry of Defense Has any communication With the Luo family We don't know And the Ministry of Defense Has not explained If they can't contact So they use this method But I believe I can only say If the Ministry of Defense Can contact the tenant If the tenant refuses And has no money to pay There is still a long way to go Some may take More than a year To move them out The Ministry of Defense Has a mechanism Even if they don't pay You can apply for a lease If you don't have money You apply for a lease When you meet the conditions If you can get a house And live there You have to live there for 7 years Most families live there for 7 years If you meet the conditions To apply for a lease If you can't pay You apply for a lease If you get a lease The agency will pay So There are not many chances To move out If you can't pay There are other reasons For example If you don't want to Violate the regulations The Ministry of Defense Has different regulations If you violate the regulations You will be Forced to move out But in this situation It's obvious I think It's a political pressure Although it's a political pressure But Maybe Law's family And the Ministry of Defense Lost communication So You didn't Don't Use the method To preserve the unit The Ministry of Defense Don't use the method The Ministry of Defense Will use all the power To preserve the unit I think There is a pressure Because He said Maybe a few years ago When did you apply for a lease He didn't say now Many Hong Kong people Have applied for a lease So I think There is a pressure But The whole thing Shouldn't be disclosed Of course We can't explain it clearly But on the other hand The Ministry of Defense Shouldn't expose Individual units To the public Of course When the Ministry of Defense Was invited by the government You can't If you don't explain It's a breach of privacy There should be An investigation But Simply put The public Because everyone knows Law and his family Don't want to Reveal the situation We have Too many speculations About their situation I think Everyone should be careful If Law Kwan Chung or his family Want to explain the unit Did he give up Or he doesn't live in Hong Kong Or he doesn't live in the unit So it doesn't matter I think in the past three years Since Law Kwan Chung left Hong Kong He and his family I think Are often harassed He may be more reluctant To continue living in that situation And so on We can't speculate too much But it's obvious As I said It's not a trivial matter There are a few things that are not trivial First, it's such a short time And such an efficient way to recover the unit Second, why Is it exposed to the media And so on I think this aspect In terms of protecting The private property of the tenant Is not done well Yes, that's right Recently, Zhang Xiaoming Has been removed I would like to ask Mr. Shan What is your opinion? First of all, Zhang Xiaoming Has been in charge of Hong Kong affairs for a long time Everyone knows His background is as an assistant to Liao Fei After Liao Fei Retired, other members took over as The director of HK and Macao Affairs He went up there And then he went to Hong Kong To be the director of HK and Macao Affairs After that He went back to Beijing to be the director of HK and Macao Affairs During his time In Beijing When Hong Kong was under the direction of HK and Macao Affairs And then when he went back to Beijing to be the president of the Hong Kong government The so-called anti-extradition movement took place in Hong Kong Although the anti-extradition movement was later suppressed from the Chinese point of view They used the term black cloth But I believe that Tsang Hsiao-ming has been in charge of Hong Kong affairs for a long time You may understand the domestic mechanism He has to take political responsibility The first thing he did was to be the vice-secretary-general of the government Although he was more of a political commissioner Later, he gradually reduced his positions Recently, he has been so-called retired He is not that old I think he is just 60 years old But he has been in charge of Hong Kong affairs for a long time In the eyes of China, it is not a political responsibility for Hong Kong But his judgment is that he has made a mistake in Hong Kong policy I have also contacted Tsang Hsiao-ming When he was the director of the Liaison Office in Hong Kong He had also been to the Legislative Council of Hong Kong At that time, the Legislative Council of Hong Kong Had also set up a banquet to welcome him The director of the Legislative Council of Hong Kong, Tsang Hsiao-ming Came to the Legislative Council for lunch At that time, it was also arranged by the then Secretary of State At that time, Carrie Lam was still the Secretary of State Carrie Lam was the Chief Executive Under her arrangement, she communicated with various parties At that time, I was a member of the Democratic Party I was still in the Legislative Council I also met Tsang Hsiao-ming under this circumstance When Tsang Hsiao-ming first came to the Legislative Council When he first came to Hong Kong as the middle-aged president He also gave some so-called advice To people from different parties in Hong Kong To express friendship Of course, what happened in Hong Kong later Is that Tsang Hsiao-ming was demoted Because the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress Announced that the so-called presidential election of 8.31 was canceled This so-called Tsang Hsiao-ming movement appeared later And when he returned to the main office of the Legislative Council of Hong Kong When the anti-extradition bill movement appeared This is obviously a big responsibility But what I want to say is In exchange, Tsang Hsiao-ming did not mean that Hong Kong was better Let's see who was replaced You know, after the anti-extradition bill movement Two people were also demoted That is, Tsang Hsiao-ming, the head of the Legislative Council of Hong Kong And Tsang Hsiao-ming, the head of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress They all became members of the party's historical group Simply put Because of the anti-extradition bill movement Two people in charge of Hong Kong affairs The head of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress and the head of the Legislative Council of Hong Kong were also demoted But in exchange The biggest problem is that they are more conservative than Tsang Hsiao-ming and Tsang Hsiao-ming The current Xia Baolong is very clear Whether he will rise or fall, I am not sure In the case of a major military crackdown He was transferred to the head of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress He is more than half It's almost the same as the boss of Li Ka-siu He is only half But the position is already very different You know, when Tsang Hsiao-ming just came back At that time, the Chief Executive of Hong Kong The position is completely different from the current position At that time, the relationship between Tsang Hsiao-ming and Tsang Hsiao-ming was more direct So he may be like half the position of the Chief Executive of the National People's Congress More than half of the position of the Chief Executive of the National People's Congress It's very simple now The Chief Executive of Hong Kong was demoted Even the so-called Chief Executive of Guangdong Province is not as good as him Not to mention the secretary of Guangdong Province So there are two situations First, the Chief Executive of Hong Kong was demoted under the system of mainland China Second, the new Chief Executive of Guangdong Province I believe he is a relatively conservative person I dare not say the most conservative He is almost the most conservative And his so-called policy Including the order to implement the National Security Law Article 23 And so on He is more conservative than the previous Chief Executive He is more familiar with Hong Kong's freedom and rule of law Of course, I understand I don't think Tsang Hsiao-ming made a great contribution to Hong Kong But because Tsang Hsiao-ming was in charge of the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs for a long time He had a negotiation in the Liao-hui era The Sino-British negotiation The Sino-British negotiation was before 1984 He joined the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs in 1986 Simply put, he had already drafted the Basic Law He had already completed the Sino-British Declaration And already had the Basic Law He was just in the process of returning He joined the Hong Kong Affairs in 1986 But I see that since he became the Central Committee Until he became the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs His policy towards Hong Kong is still strong But among the strong ones Compared to the current Chief Executive of the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs He is not as good as the current I don't know if everyone knows We call him Xia Bolong He is even stronger His policy towards Hong Kong is even stronger He recently made a statement in March He told Li Ka-shiu At the opening of the National People's Congress He told the political figures in Hong Kong The politicians in the National People's Congress Including Li Ka-shiu Hong Kong needs to have zero-point thinking To put it simply, it needs to start from the beginning Don't think that what is left in the UK will be of any use But everyone understands that the success of Hong Kong Although the British are the so-called central figures of the People's Party They have left behind a so-called rule of law system It is also a successful foundation for Hong Kong And Xia Bolong is now, step by step Not step by step, but very quickly Destroying Hong Kong's rule of law system Zhang Qiaoming has not reached this level Zhang Qiaoming has just Interfered a lot in the so-called general election policy Delayed it But the so-called Hong Kong general election During the so-called anti-extradition During the so-called extradition From 2012 to 2014 When fighting for the general election In 2014, there was the so-called anti-extradition movement During the anti-extradition movement When the People's Party was elected At that time, he was the central figure of the People's Party He must have had a big role What was the plan? Of course, the plan was not just about him But he also had a plan It was a very conservative plan After the general election Hong Kong people voted for it Hong Kong people did not agree and did not accept So there was the so-called anti-extradition movement But after the general election Hong Kong people have already The chance to have a general election It's almost the same So all the political reforms in Hong Kong in the future It must require the passing of the National People's Congress But when Xia Bolong became the Hong Kong President His policy has completely changed From the so-called Hong Kong people's self-government To this Hong Kong people's self-government To this national self-government Simply put, all the candidates Including the Chief Executive, the Legislative Council, and the District Council All passed the general election Passed a so-called political review Are you a patriot? Only then can you become a candidate Simply put, all the democratic people Are also excluded from the electoral list So For Hong Kong people We won't say he is a traitor Maybe he is secretly Smiling But He has become Even more powerful than Xiaoping Even more powerful So Now Xi Huan Is already the boss of the Chief Executive of Hong Kong The current Chief Executive of Hong Kong Is almost the boss of the boss I think everyone understands The Chief Executive of Hong Kong Has been demoted His status is very low Is Jiang Xiaoming Like A pawn Abandoned by the CCP? Yes Can you repeat it? Yes Is Jiang Xiaoming Like A pawn Abandoned by the CCP? Is Jiang Xiaoming Like Abandoned by the CCP? Yes Can you hear me? Yes I believe He hasn't been deposed yet Simply put If Jiang Xiaoming Can still retain his status He hasn't been deposed yet Simply put He hasn't been deposed yet But he has been working for The Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office For 30 years Almost 30 years From 1986 to now Almost 40 years More than 30 years But If we want to Investigate his past violations I believe it's not difficult Of course He has been deposed But he hasn't been released From the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office If he is released The consequences Will be worse But Let's see if Beijing Will keep him But it's clear He has been Deposed He has been removed From all his duties He has been demoted But In China's politics There is a big crisis You know Once he is demoted What can he avoid? The investigation Of his past corruption So We have no evidence But there are rumors The Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office So The former director of the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office Liao Fei Is a greedy person And You know Greedy people Have assistants To help him With a lot of work And the so-called Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office Why can Xiaoming From an assistant To a director And later to the director of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China And then to the director of the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office But Liao Fei supports him So You have done some things for the boss So the boss May have some help You know there is a saying in Mainland China What is it? Doing ten good deeds for the boss Is not as important as doing one bad deed for the boss If he Had done a lot of Related work Then He may have to be promoted But if He is to be investigated There is a lot of space for investigation Of course You know How many people are there in the Communist Party? How many? Will they do the work? Of course after the investigation is done They can join in But we will wait and see But for Hongkongers We don't know much about What Zhang Yiming Has done for Hongkong At least we don't see He can Help Hongkong Implement the Basic Law As a candidate Yes Do you have anything to add? Yes, I don't have anything to add Thank you very much, thank you Mr. Shen See you next time, bye Bye