【精彩】港人是否應離港避難？應否為子女移民？文化衝擊嚇驚你 【袁弓夷 龔小夏】

Let's get back to the topic. Why am I talking about this topic? If you listen to me, I've said it a hundred times I urge you to leave now exchange some US dollars and leave leave Hong Kong I've said it a hundred times I'm subjective I can't get along with the CCP so I urge you to leave It's subjective and simple but sometimes it sounds very ambiguous but today I want to talk about it in a more objective way First of all, he's not a Hong Konger He knows the problems in Hong Kong but he's not a Hong Konger and he's met so many people in his life from China to other countries in his life, he's counted them in thousands the process is very clear Hong Kongers I've met I've been travelling a lot around 1,000 to 2,000 people a lot of them are online listening to me I've met around 2,000 people Those who have already left don't have much to say they have already left but a lot of Hong Kongers millions of people are still thinking still thinking this is a big deal because it's a big deal to leave your hometown everyone understands we came out of Shanghai and now we came out of Hong Kong most people 99% of people don't want to leave they don't want to leave there's no other way they feel unsafe going to a foreign country they don't accept it there may be problems in life they can't see other problems it's not the same as me I'm in my 20s I started to travel around when I was in my teens I flew to the US to study I've been flying I haven't stopped for me, it's an additional change but for ordinary people travelling once is a big deal you have to think clearly especially when it comes to immigration immigration I know it's very difficult for many people it's very difficult now I look at Hong Kong last time the district council election almost 70-80% saw the problem now it's almost 90% now 90% have seen the issue of the future rule of the CCP everyone has seen it, there's no need to talk about it 90% even like that congressman he has said it so now it's not about whether to leave or not it's about whether to make up your mind and when you go to a foreign country what's the situation let's just talk about it it's really hard to say because everyone's situation is different for this issue but the difference is big look at me I came out of Shanghai in 1957 me and my sister we four kids, I have two sisters at that time, because my mother was a reformer so I left my two sisters there she was arrested for reforming but she didn't say anything she didn't say where she was sentenced she didn't say anything, she just disappeared so I left my two sisters there if she had come back she wouldn't have left that's the reason so my two sisters the encounter the encounter between me and my sister it's like heaven and earth there are times like this it's really hard to explain of course I sympathize with my two sisters we are all free now but at that time one went to heaven and the other went to hell this is a terrible thing everyone needs to understand and our family there were 60,000 to 70,000 people in our family no one left we were the only family when we went back to collect the household register we did everything when we found out about the household register everything was gone that kind of tragedy it was almost being overpriced every family can say if you have a little property it will be overpriced so the consequences I really saw it clearly they all invited me to their house whether it's Ningbo or Shanghai I knew their kind of tragedy so at that time they invited us to dinner and there was a chance at that time my father and I signed the household register everyone in the US needs to sign the household register we helped them a little a little they did everything the whole family went out gave everything to the best people took everything out to be good to us we hoped to help them out not to help them do other things but to help them leave China this is a big thing when I went to Guangzhou I saw a lot of intellectuals some of them are doctors doctors in Zhongshan hospital they said Cantonese people say the more Chinese people leave China, the better just one sentence I am not very familiar with it the more Chinese people leave China, the better they said it like that to the problem of the Communist Party in fact, it is a problem of communism Xiaohan, you say something we know what the Communist Party has to do immigration there is a first thing you need to consider for whom to immigrate in fact, a lot of immigrants I saw a lot of immigrants immigrated for their children to be honest those who immigrated for their children the most important thing is not to immigrate for yourself you can't I saw a lot of immigrants immigrated for their children their children were very unhappy because as soon as they got to Guangzhou their parents said at first, we did it for you we are doing a good job we are doctors and teachers we came here to run a restaurant for you your children are very unhappy you brought me out so what to do it's a big deal even if your children are filial so I think people should first think about themselves if you don't believe your children are unhappy family relations are very important so I don't persuade everyone to come out I don't persuade a lot of people if you think about it first language problem some people are determined to overcome the language problem I saw Liu Bingyan when he was 61 years old his English was very good very good his wife's English was very good in the 80s but most people if you are older 40-50 years old you can't overcome this so you think your circle of life is Chinese if your circle of life is Chinese what will happen to you you have to think clearly for example if I come to New York San Francisco do I have 10-8 good friends can I make a lot of friends will my life be rich now in the Internet age a lot of things are different from the past we don't know how to speak English we don't have to think about anything now we don't but if you are Chinese you change the environment there are some interesting problems because in Hong Kong or in China the society is big people are divided intellectuals are on one side workers and farmers are on the other where are the businessmen there are a lot of divisions in your circle of life America is different in America if you can afford a house maybe they will live next to you if you go to some Chinese maybe they are richer it's hard to say that's why a lot of Asian people face a culture shock a real shock not because America is like this China is not but rather why do they live next to me the garden is beautiful that kind of I know a lot of Chinese intellectuals don't care why do I make less money than those people they work hard they do a lot you only have a mouth you don't praise you can't help it a lot of people in Hong Kong are better a lot of people in China are used to living next to each other so it becomes a lot of dissatisfaction criticizing America we were just talking about those people basically they don't understand America's democracy they don't know what democracy is so when you look at the Chinese media sometimes the information is all wrong and a lot of people come here and become relatives to the mainland that's another reason I think the democratic system is bad why is it bad? this system doesn't use me when I go back to the mainland a lot of people listen even if the government oppresses you no one cares when I see a lot of young people in Hong Kong I hear their complaints at that time there was a protest a lot of people were watching when I came here it was hot for two months I interviewed a lot but no one knew a lot of things happened so when you come here the most important thing is that the good thing about the free world is that you can live a normal life I think this is very important you have to enjoy a lot in a free world a normal citizen that kind of right in a low-level society it's hard to adapt and everyone is of a certain level yes yesterday a Chinese intellectual called me I don't know him you know the situation in China I don't know I've been here for so many years I can teach you I can do shows with you I don't even know who you are I don't even know who I am I immediately blocked him don't do it yes especially the Chinese men when you come here they are like big so I basically don't care he uses this tone to talk to the CCP it's the same when you come here it's not that kind of world it's completely useless yes sometimes when I'm too angry I mix Chinese and English I can't understand I always meet people like this in the past when I met people they were so rude they said you have to take me in I said no way the federal government can't take you in those are really I'm not saying whether Hong Kong will come out or not you have to think of a psychological gap this psychological gap for me I quite like it you have a chance to be an ordinary person I think in mainland China the painful thing I'm a libertarian the best thing is the government doesn't care about me I want to live a life where no one cares in the US if you don't want people to care you don't care in mainland China the government cares about you it's so annoying so in Hong Kong you come out the government cares about you what you can say what you can't say what you can do what you can't do how can the government interfere if you like no one to interfere in your free life you come out with a lot of hard things language is troublesome Hong Kong is very free Hong Kong is really a libertarian society yes, the government is very small it has nothing to do with the government really yes, yes the worst thing is the government I remember the government said if you want to see my factory I'm busy, I don't have time to greet you that's it in the mainland if the mayor comes to see your factory it's a big deal yes, that's the situation if you come out it's not that difficult to live especially in Hong Kong if people come out, there must be contact Americans have no contact, no money but if you are older in Hong Kong how can people come here there are a lot of things to consider but a lot of people want to think about their children's education I don't need to think about that I talked to a person from Nanjing yesterday his parents can't bear to leave their house can't bear to leave they don't feel safe their house in Nanjing has been reduced to 40% 60% no one wants to sell they think when they come here it will become a property class empty hands, no one can rely on them children can't figure it out this is very common a lot of people in Hong Kong feel the same yes, all of this can be understood but I think the first choice what is your big goal what do you need my big goal is to leave the government I hate the government for always interfering the CCP has been messing with you all your life if that is your demand come out and think about it think of all the ways when you encounter any difficulties you say, good thing the government is not messing with me the US is really not I went to the most expensive restaurant yesterday the most expensive restaurant in a hotel in a casino in the morning I went to line up for a cup of tea the two people in the back are my audience I almost went to three Chinese restaurants to take photos of course I had a good chat with the person in the back a group of Hongkongers they watch my show I asked, what do you do he said, I am a car driver very rich the most expensive restaurant that is Steve Wing's restaurant I know, that restaurant is delicious you know, the most expensive you know I like to eat I spend a lot of money line up he is behind me a car driver, very rich we have a partner who is also a car driver very rich so what class? there is no class, I admire you have the guts to be a driver the driver is actually very safe there is a place to sleep there is a wheelchair they have a system there, American car drivers are a big deal basically, American trains transport very little 90% of Americans rely on car drivers to transport so there is no class problem we are all middle class it is clear middle class workers also have a job we are all middle class you are talking about the poor those who have nothing to do are called poor those who have a job are all middle class so it is not a problem I am a country I am in the US you all know I am Chinese, American but I feel most comfortable with ordinary American workers middle class very ordinary people everyone has a sense of common sense you come down I went to Lynchburg that day I went to a friend's daughter's wedding I met an audience there was only one Cantonese there was an audience but in Cantonese we met an audience how happy we are at this age because of YouTube we have made a lot of friends 20,000 yes, yes suddenly to strangers there is a form of we didn't have it before only businessmen now it is different suddenly to all Hongkongers at least those who love freedom at once almost all have common sense and have feelings yes, yes, how happy yes, yes the question of leaving life is absolutely not a problem life in the US is absolutely not a problem as long as your health is good if your health is not good, it will be a big problem and now as a tourist coming to the US basically you don't have to leave the president is constantly extending because he hasn't decided how to apply for you but he won't drive you away I don't know I have been talking about it recently I haven't said anything I am talking about the legal entry get a visa, get a tourist visa then take a plane those are not legal immigration is not legal to be honest you can stay but the president has an order not to drive you away then it becomes legal no, no it's the same not to drive you away temporarily it's the same as illegal immigration you really have to be careful the US laws don't make mistakes so when Trump came he wanted to drive away illegal immigrants but mainly Hong Kong people Hong Kong people can be another category like Trump said you have to be an excellent person you have to be independent don't try to get benefits I think Hong Kong people generally won't do that so you have to find a lawyer it's best to find a lawyer even if you are now a political scapegoat basically Hong Kong people won't drive you away generally it takes 6-7 years 7-8 years the US is slow the UK is fast but if the UK judges you they won't give you a visa the US should be easy the UK is responsible the UK has been colonized for so many years the US oh there are many English classes it is second language ESL English as second language yes basically universities in every state all open in Central China more or less all the community colleges open in Central China yes, after studying there there will be lots of other options 多到不得了啦,乜嘢都,你而家有幾多科呀你哋嗰度,有幾多個course呀? 幾多百科成千科咁講,唔係個幾多,因為community college同人哋唔一樣㗎啦, 我哋有廿三個college,廿三間大學,即係一個系統,廿三間大學, 即係我哋係做job training嗰啲為主,即係訓練嗰啲人嘅工作, 等工,好多已經係點講呢,已經係有咗僱主,嗰啲僱主搵嚟, 好似我哋做潛艇嗰度,潛艇要搵人,潛艇我要三百個人, 呢三百個人一年係培訓我啲工人嗰種,所以好多好多科,每個地方好多好多科唔一樣, 你話邊度去搵學校可以學到合戰證,呢度就搵到啦, 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