During the Obama administration, a controversial policy was put in place to establish government control over the Internet by classifying broadband as a utility. This was net neutrality. The policy was dropped when Donald Trump was president, but just recently, it was quietly restored. The Federal Communications Commission brought it back in a 3–2 vote, restoring policies of equity over online traffic.
In this live Q&A with Crossroads host Joshua Philipp, we’ll discuss this topic and others, and answer questions from the audience.
Welcome to Crossroads, folks.
Net neutrality is back.
We thought it was gone, but it was now brought back.
Now, you might remember during the Obama administration,
there was a controversial policy put in place.
And what it did, basically, was established
federal government control over the internet over broadband
because it classified broadband as a utility,
like the phone companies and so on.
Now, that was called net neutrality.
And the policy was dropped when Trump was president.
But just recently, in fact, just last week,
it was quietly restored.
They did it while, again, all these other cases are ongoing.
And what was, at the time, one of the most controversial
issues in the United States was just slipped under the rug.
Now, the Federal Communications Commission, the FCC,
brought it back in a three to two vote.
And what it does is restores policies
of so-called equity over internet online traffic.
Now, you could have easily missed it.
In fact, I think a lot of people did
because you might remember this took place on Thursday.
This happened when Trump was standing trial in Manhattan.
This is gonna be for the next month or so.
It happened while the Supreme Court
was deliberating on presidential immunity
and other big things like this.
And also while people watched pro-Palestinian students
taking over American colleges and getting dragged off campus
and then retaking them.
All of this happened amidst this noise.
And one of the most controversial issues
in the United States from just a few years ago
has now been restored.
It is currently back in place.
The Hill said this.
They said the Federal Communications Commission, the FCC,
voted Thursday to restore Obama-era net neutrality rules.
And I'll explain what this means.
It notes that net neutrality refers to the principle
that internet service providers
should treat all information
that travels through their networks equally.
I think they mean equitably.
It notes that under the FCC's proposed rules,
providers would be barred from blocking
or throttling internet traffic to some websites
and speeding up access to others that pay extra fees.
Now, it notes as well that net neutrality rules,
which were first approved by the FCC
under the former and former President Barack Obama in 2015,
were repealed by the commission
during the Trump administration in 2017.
It wasn't in place that long.
They note that last October,
the FCC voted to move forward with the process
of restoring net neutrality rules
after securing a Democratic majority
following a two-year holdup over a previous nominee.
Now, it notes the three-to-two vote
was along partisan lines, as you might expect,
and advocates for net neutrality,
like Democratic Chair Jessica Rosenworkel,
have argued it is necessary
for ensuring a fair and open internet.
And they say the FCC chair has also argued
that net neutrality rules would give the agency
greater oversight of broadband companies,
allowing it to address outages
and national security concerns,
i.e. surveillance, probably,
and increase consumer protections.
Now, let me get into this.
It's likely that it's gonna face legal challenges.
In fact, a lot of people are saying
it's probably not gonna hold up in the long term
because there are already lawsuits planned and announced,
and these are almost definitely
gonna go to the Supreme Court.
It's likely these challenges are gonna end up there
in the very end, and based on,
again, unless the Supreme Court changes,
they're probably gonna overturn it.
But that could take a few years.
For now, net neutrality is back.
And you might remember,
Trump previously got rid of these.
Now, this was one of the big controversies
when Trump was still president, right,
during the, again, 2017 to 2019,
because we were technically repealed in 2017,
but there were lawsuits that pushed it back.
And proponents of net neutrality, people who want it,
what their argument is is that government control
would make the internet service more equitable.
Basically, it means all traffic is treated the same.
Everybody gets the same internet speed
regardless of how much you use,
and internet companies cannot censor websites
or censor content, right?
It makes it so that, again, broadband,
your internet connection, is treated as a utility.
Therefore, it is under government constitutional protections
which might be a good thing, I'll get into that.
But it also gets into the issue that, again,
companies have to provide the same basic service.
If you download crazy amounts of data,
your traffic is gonna be treated just as much
as the person who maybe uses the internet
to check their emails every now and then.
And normally, people either have their internet speed
throttled because of the large amount of data
they might use, or some companies,
like there's a handful of major corporations
that use a really huge majority of internet traffic,
especially the ones working on AI in particular,
artificial intelligence,
because they need to suck up all that data.
And also, for example, companies that run
maybe server houses or other things,
or social media that kind of have to check everything,
or, for example, streaming services like Netflix
and Amazon Prime and these types of services.
Services that need to provide high-speed streaming video.
And of course, they often have to pay more money
to access that amount of bandwidth.
Now, under these rules, it's all the same.
And opponents of this argue
that it would basically stifle innovation.
They're saying it would damage the incentive
for companies to build out internet infrastructure
because the profit's not really there anymore.
They say that basically, if you put that in place,
it's going to strangle the internet business,
and it's gonna lead to slower internet connections
for everybody, maybe faster for the big streaming platforms
or internet pirates and things like that.
But for most people, it's gonna mean higher costs
and slower internet.
That's the big argument with that.
I mean, we'll see if it happens.
Now, Trump, and you might remember
the former FCC chair, Ajit Pai,
they were saying that this is gonna basically
ruin the market for the internet, ruin the free market.
This was Trump in October of 2019
after they won a key case on the issue.
Donald Trump said on Twitter at the time,
we just won the big court case on net neutrality rules,
a great win for the future and speed of the internet
will lead to many big things, including 5G,
which we now have.
Congratulations to the FCC and its chairman, Ajit Pai.
Now, of course, at the time,
they were still rolling out 5G internet connections.
Again, one of the things that's very common now.
And because of that,
you also have incredibly faster internet
and also the ability to create subsections
of kind of internet traffic domains and things like this.
Part of the FCC debates this time around
are also around that subset of web hosting services
and other things like that.
It's all under the government now, basically.
Now, most of the debate around net neutrality
happened in 2017.
And stick with me, because I want to get into
why this matters, it's actually pretty important.
But here's how the corporate media
were framing it at the time.
Vox said this.
They said, under the leadership of chairman Ajit Pai,
and with only the backing of the agency's Republican members,
could still say it's the same thing,
only now it's only with the backing
of the Democrat members when they passed it.
They say the repeal newly-freezed telecom companies
from federal regulations
unravels a signature accomplishment
of the Obama administration
and shifts the responsibility of overseeing the web
to another federal agency
that some critics see as too weak to be effective.
In practice, it means the US government
no longer will have rules on its books
that require internet providers
to treat all web traffic equally.
The likes of, this is again when they repealed it, right?
They say the likes of AT&T and Verizon
will be limited in some ways.
They could face penalties
if they try to undermine their rivals.
For example, they won't be subject
to preemptive bright line restrictions
on how they manage their networks.
And meanwhile, the FCC's repeal
will open the door for broadband providers
to charge third parties like tech giants
for faster delivery of their web content,
like again, Amazon or Netflix or streaming services
that eat up ridiculous amounts of internet traffic, right?
Everything is treated equally.
You can't charge anybody more or less.
We're all the same now.
They say that even though the FCC
would require the time telecom companies
to be transparent about these arrangements,
critics contend these so-called fast lanes
will limit consumers' choices
in services like video streaming
and harm startups that simply can't afford
to pay such tolls to ISPs, internet service providers.
Now, as ironic as it is, and hear me out on this,
I'd say that bringing net neutrality back, ironically,
could actually help Republicans
more than hurt them this time.
Things are a lot different now.
The current environment of the internet
is significantly different.
The nature of businesses and these big corporations
are significantly different.
And what applied at the time no longer applies now.
Ironically, I think that the corporations
are more tyrannical than even, again,
federal regulations could be,
because at least they have constitutional protections.
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Welcome back.
Net neutrality has been restored.
It is back, folks,
and this was a controversial Obama-era policy
that established government control over the internet,
again, by classifying broadband as a utility.
And now the FCC has voted again to restore it,
just last week, in fact.
But again, as ironic as it is,
I, in my personal opinion,
I'd say that bringing net neutrality back at this time
could actually help Republicans a lot more than hurt them.
And remember, the battle over the net neutrality
was taking place 2016, 2017,
when a lot of the debates were happening.
The vote was in 2017.
Lawsuits took place.
Those were settled around 2019.
And you might remember, again, 2016,
when a lot of this started,
it was an Obama-era policy,
and at that time,
the internet was a much different place.
Political censorship was still relatively rare.
That, again, started heavily, really around,
first, again, under the Trump administration, right?
And at the time, you might remember
that many platforms were talking about ideas
on freedom of speech,
and the concept among netizens.
I'm sorry, it was 2015 under Obama.
And you might remember, again, real quick on that,
2015, before the Trump elections and so on,
and Trump came to office,
2015, what was the state of the United States?
Well, relatively speaking,
you had a lot of the big influencers on YouTube
who were conservatives or alt-right,
you could call a lot of them.
Independent voices were getting more traffic
and more views than most of the established media.
There was an idea at the time on the internet
among netizens that information wants to be free.
We still had a very strong open-source movement.
People were building free software and so on,
things that could challenge Google Docs
and other things like that.
There was a concept at the time
of creating products
that could compete with the mainstream ones,
the big ones from Microsoft and Apple and Google and so on,
but that were free from the corporate controls
and free from these systems
that would charge people and tax people and everything else.
The vision for the internet at the time
was significantly different.
And that, again, was 2015
when Barack Hussein Obama did this.
The concern at the time was that
by establishing government control over the internet,
it would change that emerging culture.
Now, again, there were threats
of internet restrictions on the internet.
A lot of that was coming from the government,
not from businesses.
Businesses were not seen as the threat
to freedom at the time.
The federal government control over the internet
was seen as a threat to freedom.
The internet, you might remember,
was framed as the new Wild West.
It was the new frontier, right?
The global narrative was that law needs to come to the web.
It was compared to the open seas and the maritime age.
It was a place where free speech
and the free markets had extended to
as businesses were starting up within that sphere,
but where government regulation had not really come in yet.
That was the vision of the internet
roughly between roughly 2008 to about 2015
when this took place.
And in that context,
that was when Obama designating internet traffic
as a kind of utility under the government
marked the end of that openness.
The government moving to the internet,
that this was how it was viewed at the time.
It was the introduction of state control,
the law coming to the West,
the end of the golden age of pirates, so to speak,
when you think about maritime trade.
But things have changed a lot since then.
Significantly, because the big tyrants now
are not so much the government
when it comes to the internet, it's the big businesses.
Now, since 2019 under Trump,
when these things actually, again, were overturned,
because, sorry, I misstated the dates earlier.
2015, Barack Obama passed this.
2016 to 2017, Trump was trying to overturn it.
They voted to overturn it in 2017.
2019, after the lawsuits cleared, it was done.
But 2015, things were very different.
Now, when Trump came into office, what took place?
Censorship programs were rolled out.
You might remember, especially after January 6th,
do you all remember Parler,
the conservative equivalent to Twitter?
Parler was, of course,
one of the fastest growing social media websites.
It was seen as a real contender to Twitter.
After January 6th, what happened?
The establishment accused Parler
of having chat groups and so on
that allowed radicals to plan and plot January 6th
and to try to attack democracy.
And Parler got canceled by not just the businesses
and so on, but even by things like Amazon Web Services,
even from the app stores.
It was destroyed as a company.
Those attacks came from the businesses,
the internet businesses, the hosting sites,
the things that allow you to, again,
even operate on the internet.
The system, the business around the internet
is what killed Parler.
Now, the Biden administration has rolled out
new forms of censorship as well.
Things like public-private partnerships
where authorities are communicating with platforms
like Facebook, Google, even Amazon Books
we've been finding out.
And they're carrying out government censorship
using that form of communication.
Because normally under the Constitution,
the government cannot do that.
The government can't go and censor your free speech.
It can't go and cancel you on Twitter or YouTube.
But they found that they can recommend to YouTube
that you are maybe a danger.
They can recommend to Twitter
that maybe you're spreading false information.
And these third parties, private businesses,
not held by the Constitution,
because they're not government,
they can then censor based on the suggestion
by the government.
That's very debatably legal.
And so the gray area they've found
is public-private partnership to do their dirty work.
Now, we've also seen this with online businesses.
Remember the Facebook of 2010 is not the Facebook of 2024.
People are getting censored,
shadow banned on social media sites.
I would note how many of you before January 6th,
or frankly before 2016 and the Trump elections,
how many of you watched people on YouTube
who are no longer on YouTube because they were canceled?
How many of you had Facebook groups at the time
that got banned,
that maybe you're communicating with friends?
How many of you have received alerts
that you've shared false information and things like this?
The internet at that time, again, 2015,
even when Barack Hussein Obama passes them,
is absolutely different from what it has become.
Website holders are worried that hosting services
are gonna drop them,
again, like what happened to Parler after January 6th.
And generally speaking, a lot of big tech companies,
in my opinion, have become bigger threats to online freedom
than federal government controllers,
because at least the government is held by the Constitution,
whereas private businesses are not.
And of course, it's not just about censorship,
it's also about basic free market principles.
Now, while net neutrality is being paraded around
as something that will guarantee faster internet
for everybody, on the other side,
it probably works out like most socialist,
one size fits all programs.
The other side of it,
and this is gonna be an issue in my opinion,
the probably cost of it,
is we will watch the cost of services go up,
and we'll probably watch the quality of services go down.
But hey, you know,
at least we're all gonna be equal on it.
Here's what the chair of Citizens Against Government Waste
had to say about this in a statement.
They said, the repeal of net neutrality led,
as we've already seen,
to increased investment and innovation,
along with faster speeds and lower costs,
again, when they repealed it.
They say there is no factual justification
for undoing this progress,
which will harm consumers and providers
through the same strict and ineffective regulations
that were in effect the last time Title II,
again, this policy, was imposed by the FCC.
They say there is nothing to fix or change
regarding regulation of internet service providers,
and they note that the regulatory uncertainty
and increased government control over the internet
that will result from the FCC's decision
is further evidence that Congress must step in
and resolve these issues permanently by statute.
Instead, the taxpayers' money will be wasted
as this regulation moves through the FCC and the courts,
where it will likely be overturned.
Again, as I mentioned,
it's probably gonna go to the Supreme Court,
and it looks like the Supreme Court
would probably overturn net neutrality in the end.
But on this note, again,
I'm generally a big supporter of free market principles,
as you all know,
and generally, I don't like state interventionism
in the free market.
I think it causes more problems than it fixes,
and I think oftentimes you're gonna see
innovation get stifled,
and you're gonna see prices go up
on things they shouldn't be going up on.
But the reality on the other side
with FCC changes that go with net neutrality
is that a lot of big corporations,
they no longer act on free market principles.
Behind the scenes,
they're getting pressure from DEI agencies, right,
diversity, equity, and inclusion.
State interventionism has changed the culture
of big corporate America.
They have foreign government pressure to censor,
like what Elon Musk is facing right now from India
and from Brazil and from Australia.
And again, these companies also have partisan hacks
breathing down their necks
to go after people they don't like,
like the government is doing right now
in their communications for censorship.
These platforms have largely lost their independence,
and the system whereby, again,
this public-private partnership
of going around the Constitution
by having private businesses do their dirty work
is one of the reasons why, ironically,
bringing the internet under government control
may actually create more freedom
than it will stifle, right?
As far as I'm concerned,
independence and internet freedom
has largely gone down the drain,
and again, because of these public-private partnerships.
And remember also, Barack Hussein Obama
dropped US government control over ICANN and IANA.
This is something that most people
don't even know he did, by the way.
ICANN, a lot of people would say,
oh, it just handles internet name services.
If you wanna register, for example, a website,
you have to go through ICANN name services.
And they said that Obama
relinquishing government control over that
because the internet was invented by the United States.
It used to be controlled by the military,
as a matter of fact.
And of course, it was controlled still by the US government
until Barack Obama got rid of it.
And when Obama got rid of it,
when he dropped government control over it,
people said it's not gonna cause any problems.
The argument at the time was that if you get rid of it,
it's going to expose the internet
to foreign government interference,
to NGOs and other groups, to the United Nations.
And you might remember,
the United Nations actually had meetings
where they were planning rules for the internet
and they were trying to force the world to adopt them,
things we now see in place, by the way.
But what's often missed from the conversation of ICANN
is that underneath ICANN is another group called IANA,
I-A-N-A.
And they run some of the core rules
that govern the internet.
When Barack Obama, again, relinquished US control
over ICANN and IANA by extension,
it opened up the internet to foreign government influence,
from the influence of businesses and organizations,
from the United Nations, from all these different groups,
and it removed constitutional protection
over what takes place online.
It opened up businesses to foreign censorship.
It opened the doors to all these problems we're seeing now.
And as ironic as it is,
again, I'm normally against this stuff,
but bringing, again, broadband under federal control
might ironically restore
some of the constitutional protections over it.
In my opinion, it's the lesser of two evils.
I do not like net neutrality.
I think it's gonna destroy innovation.
I think it's gonna mess up prices.
I think it's gonna make it harder
to expand the internet and so on.
I think it's gonna result in poorer services.
But I also think that the threats
we're facing to our basic freedoms
could actually use some backing by the Constitution.
And if this is the price of having constitutional rights
applied to some forms of the internet,
and where we can challenge these things legally
by going to the government again,
going to the court system,
if our constitutional rights are infringed upon,
maybe this is better.
Again, lesser of two evils, it shouldn't be this way,
but it's better than what they've been doing.
Now, on another note, a week ago,
President Joe Biden signed the bill
extending Section 702 of FISA.
And this is another big thing that just happened.
FISA is the Foreign Surveillance Act.
It was extended in another two years, just recently.
And what this did was extended
the system of government spying
that was used by the Obama administration
when they were spying on Donald Trump
and his team during the 2016 elections.
You might remember, Donald Trump was shouting,
they're spying on me, they wiretapped,
they wiretapped Trump Tower.
Do you remember when Trump was saying that?
And the media was saying, oh, he's lying,
they're not wiretapping Trump Tower.
It turns out they were spying on him.
But you could argue that FISA in Section 702
is not technically wiretapping.
It just means that they're monitoring all the communications
without technically putting a big copper clamp
on those wires, right?
Different from wiretapping, but the same thing in principle.
They were spying on him.
And now those powers of federal surveillance,
because they could have gotten thrown out, actually,
they just got even broader.
The House of Representatives just passed a bill
that adds additional powers to FISA.
It is more powerful now than ever before.
In particular, it's gonna give them the ability,
the government, to get its hands on data
from online data brokers.
That includes just about anything
that is tracked on you on the internet.
Anything that any website collects on you.
That's your location, that's your text messages,
that's your emails, that's every ad you look at,
that's every YouTube video you watch,
that's every news article you read.
That's the profiles on you.
Your likes, your dislikes, your interests,
your political affiliations, geolocation,
your friends and family, every single thing
that you have granted social networks access to,
every single thing that you've granted your phone access to,
everything you've granted your laptop access to,
meaning basically everything,
will now be able to be obtained by the government.
The Federalists said this.
They said a group of liberty-minded Republicans
were fighting to add two major things to FISA,
a requirement for a warrant,
meaning, again, constitutional protections,
you can't just do warrantless spying,
and a ban on federal intelligence agencies
from buying American information from online data brokers.
In close votes, those attempts fail,
which means federal agencies can continue
their illegal practice of snooping on fellow Americans.
Now, they note that data brokers collect
an obscene amount of data on everyone who uses the internet.
The types of places we're searching on Google Maps,
collected and sold.
The types of content we read on most often,
collected and sold.
The ads we don't skip over, collected and sold.
Even keywords we say in conversations
that our phone mics pick up.
You notably give them access to your camera.
If you use any website,
any app that is able to access those, that is recorded.
You give them access to your microphone.
In fact, Google was even collecting this,
you have to manually shut it off if you wanna shut it off.
Everything you say near a device,
once connected to those,
and once you grant them access to it,
can be recorded and your words are actually retained
as data which can be sold.
Now, they note that worse,
we willingly give this information away
every time we hit accept all,
on terms and service conditions.
And these terms and service conditions,
we must accept to use pretty much any part of the internet.
I think most of us have agreed to this step,
including myself, even though I know this.
They note that this data is conveniently packaged
into profiles that let advertisers
more accurately target us, and ostensibly,
so we have better advertisement experiences,
and so advertisers can be more efficient
in their use of funds.
But this information also gives our intelligence agencies,
the governments of all the different countries on earth,
an unprecedented glimpse into our lives, habits,
likes, the people we interact with, and so much more.
And they note that worse yet,
a warrant may not be needed to obtain this information,
since it's freely given to the data brokers
and freely sold by them to our intelligence agencies.
I have warned about this before.
Remember, we showed you videos recently,
where the FBI was investigating people
for videos they viewed on YouTube.
You might remember they obtained warrants
of anybody who, to get the IDs, or the ISP, the IPs,
basically your online signature
that shows where you are and who you are.
They were asking Google, which runs YouTube,
for data on every single person
who had viewed several YouTube videos
within a certain timeframe.
These companies are not the same
as the government spying on you or I, right?
If the government wanted to spy on us,
well, they'd have to get a warrant,
unless they use FISA, by the way,
which is warrantless spying.
Under the Constitution, though,
the government can't just investigate whoever they want.
They can't just kick your door down
and go and rummage through your stuff.
They need to get a warrant.
And warrantless spying was one of the problems
that came about with the rise of terrorism
and George Bush and the Patriot Act and so on, right?
They were able to bypass
some of those constitutional protections
to make sure the terrorists don't get us.
And when, again, Bush passed these things,
he opened the door that then expanded
more and more broadly to where we're at right now,
where we have the federal government
able to do warrantless spying,
including on American citizens.
They would argue that FISA
only applies to foreign surveillance,
but there were loopholes in that,
which allowed them to spy on Trump
and his entire team, by the way.
If you communicate with somebody who's a foreigner,
how many of you have maybe Twitter followers
or you're friends with people on Facebook
who happen to live in foreign countries
or who are not American born?
Well, what happens if you communicate with them?
It means that they can spy on them,
but because you're communicating with them,
they can spy on you.
Then they can spy on not just you,
but every person who's communicated with you as well.
And before you know it,
maybe your friend is talking to someone from another country
and by extension, they're able to go through them,
then to you, then to your friends,
and then to other people.
This is the way that FISA is being abused
and the way we saw it get abused
when they were going after Donald Trump.
Normally the names are sealed,
but we found that they were abusing FISA
to unseal the names of American citizens
in order to roll out forms of surveillance
that looked like they were made
to basically rig the 2016 election,
which again, they were using to launch investigations
under the fake Trump-Russia narrative.
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