吳文昕：軍工大量生產武器 要打世界大戰？民不聊生！有一行業發大財

Hello everyone, welcome to XinYan interview. I am Lily Zhang XinYan. Today's guest is Mr. Wu Wenxin, an international human rights lawyer and China's expert on issues. Hello, Mr. Wu. Hello, Lily. Hello, everyone. Currently, China's economy is declining. All industries are not doing well. However, there is an industry that is expanding. It's getting bigger and bigger. That is the military industry. Manufacturing weapons and things like that. Under the support of the Chinese Communist Party, they are producing weapons. They are even producing weapons for Western countries. Some netizens are worried. Is the CCP going to start a world war? Some psychologists say that a person likes to do what he can do. He doesn't like to do what he can't do. There is a joke. If a person knows how to use a hammer, a fixed hammer, then everything in the world is like a nail in his eye. Do you understand? The CCP can't do anything. It only knows how to fight. It's not that it's good at fighting. But in its head, it's full of the word fighting. In Chinese traditional culture, the most emphasized thing is to have both good and bad. Whether you are a Confucian scholar, a Taoist scholar, or a Buddhist scholar, you should have both good and bad. As a person, you should have both good and bad. But the CCP is not like that. The CCP has its own culture. Some people call it the party culture. I think it's good. It's the kind of culture that the Communist Party has. What is its core ideology? Struggle. Struggle. Struggle. If you look at the books written by the Communist Party members, from Mao Zedong to Xi Jinping, their speeches, their articles, how many times have they mentioned the word struggle? A lot. In its head, it's full of struggle. Mao Zedong said, If you fight with the sky, there is no end to happiness. If you fight with the earth, there is no end to happiness. Therefore, the Communist Party has never been stingy in these two things. It is very willing to spend money. Which two things? Mao Zedong said, gunpowder. Because gunpowder can generate political power. The other is the nose. That is propaganda and deception. So, these two things, the Communist Party has never been stingy. It spends a lot of money. It spends money on propaganda. It bribes the media all over the world. It plagues the Western media all over the world. It doesn't spend a lot of money. Secondly, the gunpowder. Because gunpowder generates political power. The Communist Party doesn't see anything else as more important than power. So, for me, the Communist Party continues to develop its military-industrial enterprises. Actually, it's not just today. In fact, before, everyone didn't pay attention. I tell you, the Communist Party has long been in power. After 1949, after it became stable, the Communist Party began to develop its military-industrial enterprises vigorously. You see, in 1964, the Communist Party launched its first atomic bomb. At that time, China was very poor. Just after the war, there was the World War I, and then the civil war. The whole world was very poor. China was even poorer. It was extremely poor. At that time, after the founding of the Communist Party, in 1945, China's wealth was 3.4% of the world's wealth. That's very little. At that time, China's population was more than 20% of the world's population. More than 20% of the world's population created 3% of the world's wealth. It's not strange that China was not poor. In such a poor situation, China had to develop its own atomic bomb. Of course, the first step was the atomic bomb. China also needed a rocket to carry the atomic bomb. So, very early on, China began to develop the atomic bomb. At that time, the atomic bomb was very expensive. China did not care about it. At the same time, in the 1950s, China secretly developed nuclear weapons against the United States and the Soviet Union. Do you remember? From 1959 to 1962, there was the Great Leap Forward. In the end, 40 million people starved to death. But at that time, the atomic bomb they developed did not stop for a minute. They did not save a penny. It was still very expensive. China starved to death, but China continued to develop nuclear weapons, atomic bombs, rockets. You may not know how important the Communist Party is. For example, I have heard that Qian Xuesheng, he was a rocket scientist. He was a very advanced rocket scientist. He represented the United States in World War II. After defeating Hitler in Germany, the United States sent a rocket scientist delegation. The first leader was Werner von Braun. I don't know how to translate it in Chinese. He was the leader of the delegation. He was also a great rocket scientist. Who was the second person? Qian Xuesheng. They came to Germany under the order of the US government. They brought all the secrets of the rocket technology developed by Hitler in Germany back to the United States. So Qian Xuesheng was a very advanced rocket scientist. You may not know about this person. In 1952, he and his wife lived in the United States. He studied in the United States for 30 years. In 1952, he was led to war by the CCP. Think about it. The CCP established its regime only three years ago. Think about it. He spent a lot of effort to become a rocket scientist. He must have done a lot of tricks. So Qian Xuesheng and his wife prepared to return home with a lot of secrets. As a result, the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, found Qian Xuesheng and arrested him. Qian Xuesheng was imprisoned for five years. In 1957, Qian Xuesheng returned to China. At that time, Qian Xuesheng thought Qian Xuesheng had decoupled from the rocket technology for five years. Qian Xuesheng thought Qian Xuesheng had decoupled from the rocket technology for five years. As a result, Qian Xuesheng's secret documents could not be brought back to China. But his intelligence was still there. So Qian Xuesheng became the father of the CCP's rocket. The reason why I tell this story is that the CCP never underestimated military development. Because the CCP spent a lot of money. There is a very large military enterprise in mainland China. Its military enterprise is so large that it is now able to produce weapons for other countries. Because it is cheap. Some countries, especially those in the United States, may not produce weapons in China. But it is possible in other countries. I want to tell you that the CCP is not the heart of the United States. It is the heart of the world from the very beginning. When Russia became a communist country, it had already won the world revolution and the liberation of all mankind. Then the CCP took over their will and also talked about the liberation of all mankind, the export of revolution, the western revolution, and so on. Later, no one listened to it. It was changed to the world revolution. It is still the same. The CCP wants to dominate the world. They think it is blackmailing. Blackmailing means taking everything with violence. It is not good. It is effective. The CCP is a superstitious violence. It is not just blackmailing. It uses violence from time to time. I am not wrong. Look at the government of which country was born in 1989, 1964. They used the army of their own country and tanks and machine guns to kill about 10,000 people. The most accurate statistics are about 10,000 people. It was terrible. People were killed one after another. This is the CCP. You must understand that it wants to dominate the world. It has never died. It did not start with Xi Jinping. Look at Xi Jinping now. There is no difference between Xi Jinping and Deng Xiaoping. Deng Xiaoping wanted to promote the West. Deng Xiaoping did not want to use the technology and funds of the West. We could not afford it. So Deng Xiaoping wanted to liberate Taiwan. He said he hoped to achieve peaceful reunification with Taiwan. In fact, he wanted to dominate the world. But for now, he did not want to do it. Because the situation was not good for us. I am a little pig. Hong Kong people like to say half a pig eats a tiger. This is the CCP. When it feels it is not stronger than you, it will give you half a pig in order to eat a tiger. It can sit on a pig without its claws. A pig does not know how to use its claws. Deng Xiaoping was a genius. Xi Jinping thought Deng Xiaoping would come to Taiwan soon. Deng Xiaoping heard a lot of reports from Xi Jinping. Deng Xiaoping said that Deng Xiaoping said that Deng Xiaoping had 1.2 million people. Deng Xiaoping had 400 warships. Deng Xiaoping had 350 warships. Deng Xiaoping heard this and said Deng Xiaoping had already built a satellite. Deng Xiaoping had already built a satellite. Deng Xiaoping had already built a satellite. Xi Jinping thought that it was no longer necessary to help eat a tiger. Now he could start to deploy the American tiger. He called America a paper tiger. In fact, he was very clear that it was not a paper tiger but a real tiger. So he stopped helping. The only difference between Xi Jinping and Deng Xiaoping He felt that the situation in East Tibet was more or less the same, so he didn't need to help. He had to plan how to eat the tiger one bite at a time, whether to eat its back or its face first, how to eat it, and how to attack it from behind, because it might be a little dangerous to attack it from the front. That's what he did. So he changed the so-called cockroach diplomacy for a few years. What does cockroach mean? It means not to feed pigs to eat the tiger, but instead to say that the time to feed pigs is enough, now we can eat the tiger. What he did was a very misjudgmental so-called wishful thinking. As a result, he recorded the Americans, who called himself a purple tiger, because he was a real tiger. The real tiger suddenly woke up and said, I always thought you were a pig, but you are not a pig, you want to eat my wolf, right? He was not polite anymore. This is how the world is now. So what I want to say is, the situation that the CCP is facing now is very bad for them. Yes. The US has reported that the CCP has mobilized a large number of resources to support the modernization of national defense, including through the military and civil defense strategy, as well as espionage activities to obtain sensitive, double-use military-level equipment, which is espionage activities to steal foreign information. Beijing believes that the combination of military and civil institutions is the core of the development of artificial intelligence and military capabilities. The so-called military-civil-double-use technology can reduce the cost of expanding the demand of the people. On the other hand, it can strengthen the people's technology to meet military requirements. This is what the United States pointed out. Yes. In fact, the Americans are not as stupid as the CCP thinks. As far as I know, the Americans have long known. In fact, when Deng Xiaoping was running the Taoguang Yanghui, he used China's huge market, the market of 1.3 billion people, to lure the Americans. The Americans also played a trick. They pretended not to know that you were strengthening your national defense. In addition, they thought that the Chinese market was indeed very large, and they also wanted to catch a tiger. So they also played a trick. Because if you don't play a trick, it may not be very beneficial to the Chinese market. So they also played a trick. In fact, the Americans were also wrong. They were too greedy for the Chinese market. So, as far as I know, not only in the United States, but also in many Western countries, they have a relatively capable intelligence organization. They also collect intelligence on the CCP. So they must know how the CCP has been investing heavily in the national defense industry. They must know this. For the time being, I will not mention it. I know that the US President and the German Prime Minister have all received reports from their intelligence agencies that the CCP is now developing this and that. But at the same time, they have also been asked by the businessmen to ask the US government and the European government not to record the CCP. Because this is not good for our business. If we criticize their human rights all the time, criticize their suppression of Tibet, suppression of Xinjiang Uyghurs, suppression of Falun Gong, suppression of Christians, then we will lose some orders. This is not good. So, the Western government has also come up with a way to eat the tiger. It is actually preventative. But because of their greed, sometimes they are too greedy. So they feed the tiger instead. Because the CCP also wants to be a tiger. Because of their greed, the West has opened many doors for the CCP. They have raised and fed the CCP. They don't know the danger of this red dragon. When the Westerners first started, they thought they could eat this red dragon and it would not bite people. But they don't understand. The nature of the red dragon is to bite people and eat people. When you feed it, when you feed other animals, do you think it will stop eating people? No. So, this is a big misjudgment of the West. OK, back to the topic. What I want to say is that Xi Jinping did not start the military industry today. Absolutely not. As you know, before the end of the Cultural Revolution, when the first episode of Deng Xiaoping came out, when Zhou Enlai was still alive, he and Zhou Enlai started the Four Modernizations. It was in 1974 or 1975. They started the Four Modernizations. What are the Four Modernizations? Industrial modernization, agricultural modernization, technological modernization, and national defense modernization. At that time, in 1975, China was already at a very high position. The national defense was flourishing. They had never stopped in the national defense. They just knew how to deceive the West. When they announced the national defense budget for the United States, the expenses were very small. They said half or one third. Why? Because their definition is different from that of the West. The West did not look at it so carefully. Except for those who collect intelligence, they understand. They know. I tell you, people from the security department of the Western government already knew that the Communist Party was very dangerous. It was a threat. But there was no way. Their government, for the sake of money, did not care for the time being. Why did I say that their expenses were not big? Because they did not consider many things as national defense expenses. Basically, it was directly spent on the development of weapons, production of weapons. This money was considered a national defense expense. But you have to raise an army. You can't just rely on arms. If you have weapons, you can't do it. You have an army of 2 million people. You still have to eat and drink every day. The expenses for food, clothing, housing, and transportation are all national defense expenses. Because this money is all to support the army. They don't even count. So many Westerners were not very vigilant before. Because they felt that the national defense expenses were three times more than theirs. No matter what they did, they could not catch up with us. They made a big mistake. First, China's salary and labor expenses are completely different from the United States. They did the same thing, but they spent less money. It doesn't mean that they spent less money on weapons. No, it's not like that. In addition, as I said earlier, a lot of the military expenses for food, clothing, and transportation were not included in the national defense expenses. So, they deceived a lot of Westerners. What I want to say is that Xi Jinping was not the first president of the Communist Party. He wanted to build a military base. In fact, it has always been like this. The Communist Party has always paid great attention to it. The reason why I told you the story of Qian Xuesheng is that they paid great attention to the development of rockets very early on. So, everyone should understand why the level of the Chinese Communist Party's rocket technology is still not low. It's because they paid great attention to it very early on. They spent a lot of money on military equipment very early on. So, what is Xi Jinping? Xi Jinping just accelerated this thing. Some people call him the Chinese Communist Party's accelerator. Of course, the person who said this is the one who accelerated the death of the Communist Party. He is the accelerator. It's true. He didn't want to do this, but in fact, his every move accelerated the death of the Communist Party. Now, you see, the Chinese mainland is entering a situation where people are dying. People's wallets are getting smaller and smaller. The economy is getting worse and worse. This is a part of the process. Now, people are still hungry. If the economy doesn't recover after a while, people will starve to death. At this time, trouble is coming. Because he spent all his money on military equipment. In the end, you can't even hold a machine gun. You can't fill your stomach. So, he is very stupid. He thinks the Communist Party is always like this. He thinks as long as you are strong enough. Because they believe in the evolution theory. They believe in the weak and the strong. They recently scolded the United States, saying that the United States is going to do the weak and the strong. In fact, he is the one who is doing this. He believes in this. So, he must strengthen himself. They think that there is no justice in this world. There is no truth, no justice. Who has the most power? Who has the final say? They are superstitious. The so-called world peace. The king of the world. This is what they believe. So, he did a lot of military exercises. But it's useless. In the end, he spent a lot of money to build a very strong army. But if the economy is not good, if there are more hungry people, then the society will be in turmoil. The party will be agitated. There will be more people who want to make political changes. In the end, how do you fight? How do you fight? It won't work. So, the Communist Party does not understand. But we should also understand. The Communist Party looks strong, but in fact, it is not that strong. In addition, our democratic camp, the country of the rule of law camp, should make full use of their so-called strategic weakness. What is a strategic weakness? It is a weakness that cannot be changed even if you see it. For example, the corruption of China. Corruption is directly affecting the national strength of a country. No matter how many rockets you have, how big or how strong, the whole society is corrupt. As an old Chinese saying goes, the country will be destroyed, but there will be a bright future. Why is there a bright future? Because a lot of people are immoral, they do bad things, and the country will be destroyed. This country actually means a regime, not a country. It is a regime. Now China is basically in such a situation. For many people, it is not obvious. For me, it is very obvious. OK. We are running out of time today. That's all for today's program. Thank you all. Thank you, Mr. Wu. See you next time. Goodbye.