許銳宇：中國留學生遭遣返 小粉紅被「制裁」 #港心•情

It doesn't matter, I want to give you a very interesting speech first. Okay, let's start. Hello everyone, I am Lily. Today's guest is Mr. Hui Rui-yi, a former Hong Kong MP. Hello, Mr. Hui. Hello everyone, I am very happy to meet you again. Thank you for inviting me to do this interview. Yes, I will invite you to participate in this interview once a week. This won't change, really. My question is, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has admitted that for the past few months, there have been dozens of cases every month, including Chinese students who were banned from applying for a visa when they entered the United States. The fastest way to deal with this is to immediately prosecute them. Of course, the U.S. supports the CCP's Little Pink, which is another form of sanction against the Little Pink students. This is what is happening in the U.S. Mr. Hui was born in the UK, what is the situation in the UK? In fact, although the UK is a country that will not make a big deal of itself after it is done, usually if there is such a sanction, the U.S. is the first to do it, and then it follows, but it is very low-key. Despite being low-key, we can find some data. In fact, the UK government has refused some Chinese students or some students' work visas. In fact, the number has increased significantly. For example, in 2022, more than 1,100 Chinese students' visas or some students' visas were rejected by the British government, that is, the approval of their visas was rejected. But if you look at the previous data, for example, there were only 128 in 2022. If you go back earlier, there were only a dozen in 2014. You can see that in terms of the number, in recent years, the British government has refused quite a lot of Chinese students' and students' work visas. But maybe they won't make it public, or they won't be so high-key. But they seem to stick to the U.S. approach. Yes, because this water-repellent frog has actually been around in the world for a long time. In recent years, the U.S. has been the first to catch this little pink. Now, the U.S. has taken the lead. If it is still like before, ignoring them, slowly they will steal all the skills, or it will be impossible for them to continue their development. Why do you want to reject Chinese students' visas or students' visas? Because these two things involve a very important thing, which is the transfer and learning of technology. Because, to be honest, Chinese students come from the United Kingdom or the United States. Because the United States and the United Kingdom are basically the most famous universities in the world, ranked first and second. The United States ranks first, and the United Kingdom ranks second. Among the top 200 most important universities in the United Kingdom, the United States has more than 50, and the United Kingdom has more than 20. So if Chinese students want to go out and learn, want to get the latest technology, they will either go to the United States or the United Kingdom. Through these student visas, after going to the United Kingdom, first you study, especially in the field of science and engineering, you can directly come to the United Kingdom for systematic learning. After you finish your studies, if you find a company to hire you, Chinese students can even stay here to work. After working for a period of time, they can even get permanent residence or even get a job. If their major, for example, is science and engineering, Chinese students work here for a long time. If they can work in a large technology company in the UK, or in a large company, or even in the government, Chinese students like this will have the opportunity to be used by the Chinese government, to get more technology or information. This is possible. As for scholars, it is more direct. For example, some scholars who have already achieved something in China, or some technical experts, can directly go to the United States or the UK through the status of this scholar, or the visa of this job, technical immigration, to take on some positions, or even conduct some interviews and research. This is also a very direct way to get some of the best technology in the West, and then bring it back to the UK. In fact, I look at some consulates in other countries in China, doing some so-called governance work, is actually very step-by-step. Because I look back, all Chinese students, if you come to the UK to study, the first thing you have to do is to report to the education office of the Chinese Embassy in the UK to register for a report. Everyone has to do it. And when you come to the UK, you have to do it. You can't go back to China after you finish your studies, and then you can't do it again. You have to study in the UK. At the beginning of the report, they already have your information. What are you studying? This is a very dense control. Almost all countries are like this. Basically, they have all the information about British students. What are they studying? How long will they stay here? How long will they go back to China? If they need this kind of information in the future, or if there is something they need, they will use it. The Western world is getting more and more alert over the past few years. Why? The first reason may be COVID-19. The second reason is that you can see that the structure of China's governance has changed completely. Xi Jinping entered the third term of office. He took over from 2018 to 2022. He is in the third term. China's governance system has completely changed. COVID-19 has happened. Xinjiang and Hong Kong issues. I don't think this is the biggest factor, but it will have an impact. And China's so-called cyber diplomacy in South China Sea, Philippines, India, these countries continue to have some conflicts and challenges. So this series of things together, Western countries can clearly recognize a rich and more dictatorship in the past few years. In fact, China can be a major challenge for the world's economy, health, and political and military affairs. In fact, you can turn it around. In fact, Western countries have begun to realize that the Chinese regime or China cannot be ignored. It is necessary to carefully review the current policy. Will it bring a long-term crisis? I think the Western world has begun to realize this problem. Yes, so the U.S. is starting to catch the little pink. Especially these foreign students are the targets of the CCP's rule. For a long time, the U.S. has been promoting the so-called dictatorship policy of the CCP overseas and in Western democracies. So now the U.S. attaches great importance to it. So they are leading the way to start observing the little pink. Especially these foreign students, because they are in charge of high-tech, in the field of foreign studies, and have military and police backgrounds. Those foreign students and Chinese students will be cancelled. Yes, because as you just said, if you are a student, you come here directly. Then you may study some technology in the U.K. or the U.S. If you enter some important positions in the U.K. or the U.S. After entering some important positions, you may be influenced by the CCP. You may even sell or transfer these technologies. This is a worrying situation. Because, to be honest, the CCP's leadership is really good. Especially for us living in the U.K. In fact, I have seen the Chinese bridge in the U.K. In fact, in the New Year, the Chinese flag will be hung on the streets during the holidays. And sometimes, for example, when Xi Jinping visits other places, he can organize some students or Chinese students to welcome them. In fact, a very ridiculous problem is that if you look at China's constitution, if you have a nationality in other countries, you will automatically lose your nationality in China. So I look at the British consulate, the Chinese consulate in the U.K. In my humble opinion, most of the 700,000 Chinese in the U.K. have entered the British nationality. So in theory, most of the Chinese who have entered the British nationality have lost their identity as Chinese. First of all, they are no longer Chinese. But they can still hang the Chinese national flag on the streets during Chinese National Day. So you can see that some of the policies of the Chinese government or some of the policies of the government and their country have a lot of contradictions. In fact, these Chinese are no longer Chinese in the eyes of the Chinese government. They are no longer Chinese. But when they need to use it, they can throw this law away. In fact, most of the Chinese who have entered the British nationality are British. In this case, they are still Chinese. Legally, they are not Chinese. But in terms of rule of law, they are Chinese. In the future, when they need a great-grandson, when they need to paint their faces, these people will have a role. So in terms of foreign rule of law, you can see that the Chinese government is quite weak. Yes, when they need this little pink, they are Chinese. When they don't need this little pink, they may be from another country. And they know that they are already British or American. They still hang the Chinese national flag all over the world and hang it in Western countries. This is also a way of governing. Yes, Mr. Ho. Yes, because the work of the so-called organizations, the work of these organizations, is actually very diverse. In addition to these Chinese organizations, after you have accepted this question, I went to look for some information. It turned out that in the UK, there is a so-called League of Students in the United Kingdom which claims to have more than 200,000 members. One of their aims is to contribute to the development of the motherland and the great rejuvenation of the nation. These 200,000 members, I believe there are also people on a large scale who have already become British. They declared to the Queen of England that their colleagues in the UK have joined this so-called League to contribute to the rejuvenation of the motherland. But legally, the Chinese government no longer has a Chinese nationality. I think this is very funny and interesting. Yes, he has already passed away. He is a Chinese doctor in the UK. His colleagues also do things related to Chinese medicine and the CCP. Are these little pinks telling lies? If the British government is telling the truth, it is a false narrative. If so, I believe that the British government in the past may have been open-minded. But now, I don't think it will carry out any large-scale work. But there are reports or some very clear examples that have appeared, but the information is different. Or who knows who has such a problem. It may really take action. It's not surprising. Looking back at our activities in the UK in the past few years, you can see that the little pink power here or some activities in the U.S. against Hong Kong people are really less than when they first came. There is still some information. For example, after Hong Kong people came to the UK, there may be demonstrations and activities from time to time. At first, there was a conflict with the Chinese students here. But according to our experience, the activities in the past few years have been less and less by the little pink or Chinese students. Even on October 1st, there was a demonstration on the streets of Taoyang Street in Baminghan. No one came out to provoke us. Or some conflicts would happen. This is very rare. Yes, you say it. You say it first. So why do I think there has been such a change in the past few years? For example, in the Chinese students' group, they are deeply aware that the British government is not like before to allow them to do these things. If they really received money, received a mission, and worked for the Chinese Consulate in the UK, and have sufficient evidence, it will really have a great impact on their stay or visa. So I saw a very vivid and specific example that in recent years, the recent protests or demonstrations in the UK have been less and less. Of course, there are some people who we think are students who will take pictures and videos in the distance. These will be there. But when they come directly, they will scold you, or do something to provoke you. They will even show you their faces, as if there is nothing to be afraid of. I have rarely seen such a situation recently. When they do something, they do it secretly. They don't want you to know their identity. Even if they are secretly taking pictures in the distance, there is a possibility that they will be arrested. Because they can see it. Even their little fans can see it. There are many countries in the West that are already arresting them. Because in the US, they are already arresting little fans. Every month, several dozen student visas have been cancelled, cancelled. They are being immediately prosecuted. It's not like they are waiting for you to do something, or go to a school to report. All of them are being immediately prosecuted. They are being arrested. Because this is illegal. In the US, this is a sanction by the US on little fans. And I think about it the other way around. Actually, these little fans, after several years, after the so-called incitement, the political system in China, even now, China is experiencing an economic crisis. Do they have these thoughts, these changes? I think, in a part of them, they clearly know what is happening in China. Sometimes, they are forced to take on these tasks, but they don't do it. But they are just like before, the so-called Chinese-style rule system. Are they really willing to accept it? I don't think so. Maybe they can't take on these tasks, but they do it secretly. But maybe, in their heart, they are not like before. They are not like the previous generation, like the little fans. They don't agree with what is happening in China. The same is true for China. In China, after many Hongkongers came to power in the UK, the influence of China or their so-called influence has increased. I think one of the reasons is that they feel that China's current economic or political development is not ideal. They used to think that with the Communist Party, China's revolution and prosperity would come. Maybe, a few years ago, or even 10 years ago, they saw that China's economic or political development had made a fundamental change. Maybe, in their mind, some ideas have changed. Yes, many little fans have changed. Look at the three years of the pandemic. They have almost died. Many people have died and jumped off buildings. The death toll is still unknown. It's still not public. It's still a mystery how many people died in the three years of the pandemic. The doors were closed and people were not allowed to go out. They were starving at home. Little fans can see what bad things the CCP has done. They should know. When it comes to democracy, when it comes to freedom, they should not live in fear anymore. They should reflect how China treated itself in China. When they go abroad and have a free life, they should reflect and not go back to the old ways of the Cultural Revolution. In fact, you can see that Chinese students or Chinese scholars have an attractive side. When they go back to China, they can get money. However, in recent years, China's economy has declined and they have been sanctioned by the West. From a realistic perspective, Chinese students and scholars should reflect whether they can get a lot of money by going back to China with their experience in foreign countries. In the future, they may start to doubt whether they can get a lot of money by going back to China. If the economic reason for going back to China is not so big, they should think whether they can get a job or not. At least, they should have a basic security. In the UK and the US, there is an IT for the workers. They should have confidence that their potential can be fully utilized in these countries. They have a chance to work in these countries. In this case, they have a right to benefit. They can get a new product in the UK. They have a right to freedom of expression and political freedom. In these countries, their technology can be used more effectively. Because of the economic and technical sanctions, they have decided to focus on their future development and investment in the UK and the US. That's why in recent years, I have seen less attacks from China and the US. For example, I opened a shop in Hong Kong in March. It says Hong Kong Station. In the past three months, I have seen Chinese students from Laos come to Hong Kong to challenge me. Some Hong Kong people have asked me if I have been targeted. They were shocked. This is a normal situation. Chinese students from China and the US have started to think about working for the Consulate General of the UK. They have clearly seen that there is a great risk that will follow. If they lose their status in the UK, they lose the opportunity to work in the UK. This is a big cost for them. The benefits that the Chinese government has given them are much less than before. In this situation, I have seen that they have been trained in the UK. That's right. If they secretly sell their skills to the CCP or do espionage, they will be arrested at any time. If they are arrested, they may be immediately punished. Secondly, if they have a British nationality, they may be disqualified. If the punishment is limited to 5, 10 years, they may not be able to work in the UK or the US. They will naturally lose their nationality. If they don't live there for a long time, they may not be able to get their nationality. So they should consider whether it is worth selling their skills to the CCP. They may think whether it is worth going back to China to live a poor life. They may even go back to the Great Britain once in three years or more. They may think that going back to China is like going to hell. They may think whether it is worth it. I think this is a real crisis. You know, we will meet the British police during these activities. During the activities, we will tell the police that we were photographed and photographed. The police will tell us clearly that it is illegal to take photos in public places. But if these people are instructed to collect information, it may be regarded as a spy issue. Then they may have the right to do so. The police may even ask us to take a photo of their actions or their faces and give it back to them so that they can record it and investigate. Think about it. The British police are very proactive to ask us to do so. To be honest, I think if you are a police officer, it may not be their field to be involved in intelligence work. But they are aware of this issue and suggest it. I think this is a signal that the police are starting to do certain things. Yes, that's right. If they dare to take photos and record their actions, if they are Chinese, what is the purpose of their recording? If they take their recordings home, they must be instructed by the Chinese government to record their actions. If they take their recordings home, what is the purpose? It is useless. They must have a job or a mission to do this kind of espionage. If they find these suspicious people, they will report to the British police. Let's use the same logic. If a Chinese student takes a photo at a Hong Kong demonstration, the only chance that he won't violate the Chinese law and get into trouble is that he is working for the Chinese consulate. If not, you can use the Hong Kong and the British law to record your actions. If you take a photo at your phone, the Chinese student's phone must have WeChat and other apps. If the Chinese government sees what is happening on your phone, it will violate the law. If you are not working for the Chinese consulate, it will violate the law. For example, if you take a photo of a Chinese student going back to China, and the Chinese government sees it, they will ask you why you are doing this. The only reason you are not violating the law is that you are working for the Chinese consulate. In my opinion, if you take a photo of a Hong Kong student going back to China, the only reason you are not violating the law is that you are working for the Chinese consulate. This is a reasonable suspicion. Do you agree? Yes, I agree. Hong Kong people should be careful. If they find something suspicious, they will report it. This is a violation of the basic human rights of Hong Kong people. This is a violation of the basic human rights of Hong Kong people. Everyone in the world has seen what happened in 2019 to treat Hong Kong people. Everyone has seen what the CCP's fans want to do overseas. They will lose their visa and identity. You don't have to be angry with them. This is the first step for the U.S. to arrest Hong Kong fans. They can't come back for five years. If they can't come back for five years, they will stay in mainland China. If they stay in mainland China for three years, they will eat potato chips and grass. If there is such a big contrast between living in a free country and living in mainland China for three years, it is very likely that they will come back for the Cultural Revolution. The Cultural Revolution is very close to living in mainland China for three years. If they go to mainland China for three years, they will compare their life with the life of western countries. I think this issue belongs to us. If we think we are alone, we really need to think about this issue. Recently, I talked to a friend about the question of whether the Chinese will be racially discriminated against in the U.K. I replied to my friend that I don't use racial discrimination to emotionalize my eyes. Although some Chinese have immigrated here, I don't know if they will be fully respected by the local people. I think it is a waste of effort. If the British get the right to live and the right to enter the UK, they will be loyal to the UK. You can still invest in a country that legally does not recognize that you are a Chinese. You can still invest in a country that legally recognizes that you are a Chinese. You can still invest in a country that legally recognizes that you are a Chinese. You can still invest in a country that legally recognizes that you are a Chinese. You can still invest in a country that legally recognizes that you are a Chinese. I just want to say that respect is something that you have to give yourself and the other people will give you back. It is something that you have It's that simple So you should respect Whether you are in the U.K. or the U.S. Respect the promise you made when you first came to the U.S. Yes, this promise For Western countries This trust, this promise, this oath Is very important If they take this oath as a lie They may be arrested for this reason As an Englishman You played a Chinese national anthem Singing the so-called national anthem Chinese national anthem Is this behavior? When you were photographed and reported to the British government He may be arrested Receive this visa Everything you do Yes, so it's like me You said that after I came to the U.K. Is life really good? No, I'm just a milk tea shop Just make milk tea Do you think I am very inclusive? Not very inclusive Do you say that sometimes I will be discriminated against Or you don't respect, there will be doubts But I Anyway The British government When I needed protection Gave me an identity, gave me protection In this regard I will first be grateful I think a country No matter what you think Your group For example, this group No matter how you don't integrate into the UK First you will understand How did you come here at the beginning? At the beginning, you may be in the Great British Empire When you were in the Cultural Revolution You came here Then this place Gave you a whole new life Gave you protection First of all, you need to be grateful for this Because it protects your freedom Protects your life Of course It will definitely be difficult to integrate Because the integration is not good Will make so many so-called Chinese Willing to accept some CCP comrades But think back It's so difficult for you to integrate One of the main reasons is You can't give up your principles completely You gave up some of your past With the CCP This may be you A very important reason why you can't integrate So this thing is mutual Yes, that's right Those little Chinese pinks This is really worthy If it continues like this Just eat the skin of the tree in China Just eat grass Why go abroad? Go to Western countries To destroy other people's democracy and freedom Destroy other people's economy and culture What to do? This thing is worth thinking about To be honest If you want to breathe for your race First of all, you have to become a person Who makes others respect you How do you become a person Who makes other races respect you? First of all, you have to be yourself Yes, our next question Is that Chinese students are suspected Of engaging in espionage activities in the United States Is there such a situation in the UK? For example, going to work in a company Or you have a very important position in a foreign country Then you transfer these skills through your position I believe it will happen in the dark And the Chinese government is doing this Because their skills and methods Are more diversified than those in the Western world I think if the Western governments See that China has an expert A very powerful person They also hope to recruit such people To work for their country Every country's government also hopes Such talents go to their country But everyone uses different methods For example, the Chinese government Chinese consulates in other countries When you go to study in the UK You have to report After you finish your studies There will be a union Hoping you to join it and become a member When you finish your studies There is a chance to control you And if they really think someone is useful Need them to do something Some methods that Western governments will not use They will use For example, you have the basics Even if you don't have it You can use it to threaten Even use your family members To threaten you These things are talking about If they need someone to help them Do something abroad First, their network is very strict Second, if they want to make that person do something Their method is much more than Other Western free worlds So that's why Why is this so important To the government of other countries? Yes For many years The US intelligence department Has been warning Chinese students and scholars Related to the CCP military To engage in espionage activities in the US And to steal intellectual property rights To bring national security And risk For the US The situation is like this But for Western countries The situation is similar Because Chinese students Are basically all over the world So this has been the case for many years Now the US is doing it Directly espionage of Chinese students Yes, I see the same situation in the UK I saw the data in 2002 Of course there is the same situation A large number of Chinese students Or scholars Have been rejected In fact, the UK is also following up It's just that it's not as high-profile as the US That's all Okay, let's see Is there anything else to add? No, thank you for your interview Thank you for watching Yes Thank you everyone See you next time Bye-bye