Most in China Living In Poverty by U.S. Standards: Analyst

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news according to a new report somewhere
around 900 million people in China are
only earning around 2,000 yon per month
and now if you convert that to US
Dollars that's somewhere around $300 per
month imagine that here's more and now
joining us is Antonio grao China
economic analyst so Antonio around 900
million Chinese people uh living around
less than $300 a month let me just get
your first reaction to that uh from this
report that we got uh today yeah no
that's that sounds absolutely right um
you know I've been working in China for
many years been a China Economist for
many years and I lived in China and yeah
I mean the income disparity in China is
just absolutely staggering the average
income in China officially is let's say
it's about $122,000 a year but the vast
majority of people do not earn $122,000
a year you know the vast majority people
earn about $300 a month that's uh what
about $3,600 a year which puts them on
par with with India but even the
$112,000 figure puts them on close to uh
Mexico and just a little bit above
Malaysia so you know China is the second
richest country by GDP but it is the
72nd richest country by per capita GDP
so they're only number 72 in terms of
the wealth of the average citizen but
that is only an average that average has
no meaning at all because there's such a
huge disparity between rich and poor in
China I mean is that enough for everyday
life for the average Chinese citizen uh
less than $300 a month it's enough in
the sense that they can they can pay
rent and they can eat uh so if you're
you know a poor Chinese person you're
earning $300 a month you have some kind
of an absolutely unenviable apartment
that you're living in just some sort of
terrible concrete block construction you
may not have indoor heating you know
once you leave the cities once you get
outside of the Cities uh a lot of people
don't have uh indoor heating they have
um these little uh burner canister
things that they'll put like next to
their desk or something to keep them
warm uh there's no air conditioning of
course and a lot of people don't have
indoor plumbing you know you you have
ouses in a lot of lot of places you know
I was in Jung Joo like
I was in a whole town a whole town in
Jung Joo that did not have a single
flush toilet in the whole town I was I
was a guest of the richest man in the
province or something and like he had
this this big luxurious house that did
not have flush toilets so I mean yeah
it's it's people live very poor lives in
most of China and if you look at big
cities like Beijing and uh Shanghai the
ratio of housing prices so to purchase
an apartment in
Shanghai it the purchase price equal to
90 times the average salary and to put
that in perspective in New York which is
one of the most unaffordable uh cities
in America in New York it's 10.5 times
annual salary so the average apartment
costs 10.5 times the average salary in
Shanghai it's 90 times so we are talking
about people that are living in some
sort of world where they can afford that
apartment and in that same world you got
people with no no plumbing and $300 a
month of
income are are most people in China
living below the poverty poverty line so
that that's a very good question so the
poverty line is set based on the income
band of a country so in other words for
the United States because we have a
particularly High GDP per capita we our
GDP per capita is $70,000 a year that
puts us about number seven or eight in
the world so there's countries like
Singapore uh Dubai by uh where the
average citizen is richer than the
average American but but you know we're
number seven or eight uh that's quite
respectable uh $70,000 a year so our
poverty line is about
$112,000 so by our
standards the average person in China is
living in poverty because they're
earning you know about
$122,000 now the way poverty lines work
however is based on the income band of
the country so given China's income band
most economists feel that the poverty
line should be5 to $10 a day but China
insists on trying to use the $2 figure
well with the $2 figure they have very
uh a small percentage of population
living in poverty but if we were to
raise the uh poverty line to $10 a day
you'd have something like 60% of the
population living in
poverty so uh can you elaborate further
uh why exactly China prefers this $2
figure because xiin ping is very fond of
saying I raised 800,000 or 800 million
people out of out of poverty and um you
know if we find out that 60% of them are
still living in poverty he can't say
that anymore I see okay uh so where does
the state get its wealth from because uh
it comes in the US it comes from taxes
right so if people are making so little
money uh where does China get its wealth
from so yeah you're absolutely correct
in the United States the largest source
of Revenue to the government is the tax
base and the US tax base is actually the
largest source of Revenue I believe in
the world for any government uh in terms
of taxes because we have such a large
population with such a high income and
extremely high percentage of enforcement
of the tax rules so when you go to China
now you do have income tax the income
tax rate is lower the incomes are lower
so the government has to make money on
on on other uh businesses and other uh
sources so uh governments collect money
from um tariffs from uh from fees from
fines right when you get a traffic
ticket that's uh revenue for the
government local governments in China
make their money from land sales uh and
remember that we have state-owned
Enterprises that also make money for the
government and you know if you're
outside of China you might know that
there are state-owned Enterprises that
are doing mining in South Africa or
whatever in Africa or someplace you have
mining companies and and dams and
hydroelectric and and oil that are
state-owned Enterprises but when you're
inside of China what you find out is
there's hairdressers and restaurants and
things like that that are owned by the
government and then this is then
providing Revenue to the
government so you you mentioned income
dispar disparity earlier what what are
the impacts on the economy when there's
such an extreme imp uh income disparity
well the uh income disparity so the
Genny Genny coefficient is the measure
of income disparity and the higher the
number uh the more disparate the income
is and so in the US I think we're around
four and um the EU the uh World Bank the
IMF they've always warned that if it
goes well above five that you'll start
to have social unrest you know
instability you know because the poor
people will start revolting um because
there's you know they're so poor so we
have countries in Africa for example
where you know the Gen coefficient is
6.5 six you know very very high
disparity and it just creates
instability now in China I personally
believe that the Genny coefficient is
much higher than the official government
number because the number we're using is
the government number and um right now I
think it's about 4.6 may even be a
little lower I think it was 4.6 during
2022 it's a little bit lower now now
that's higher than Western Europe it's
higher than Japan but you know it's on
par with the United States so but we
don't really see instability won't we
don't see riots we don't see you know
bread riots or something like that going
on in China so the so the question is I
don't know how high the number has to go
for China to to have instability um I
mean there's other problems that people
just don't have disposable income and
shanping wants to shift the economy to a
consumption economy and that won't work
if the people don't have money to
spend all right another question is
seeing all the problems that China's
economy is facing
uh is the monthly income from around
$300 right now is that going
down uh that's a good question I my I
would say my gut feeling is that it is
going down because a lot of these people
were achieving even uh that level of
income by working in a factory where
they were getting um you know overtime
and they working weekends and 10 hour
shifts and things like that and that's
going away now that's steadily reducing
the factory output uh Factory employment
uh exports those are all going down now
so I would have to believe that it is
trending downward I know that during
covid the wealth disparity increased
tremendously in China and I think that
probably was a function of people at the
top have sources of income for example I
don't know if that that Investments
overseas or related to some some service
that they were able to provide during
covid but then the people that were
working in factories and construction
they couldn't work so their income went
down that disparity increased um I think
that moving forward I think that's what
we will see as well is that as
construction is winding down
infrastructure investment is winding
down foreign direct investment is
winding down I think we're probably
going to see the uh disparity increase
more because it's probably
disproportionately going to hurt the
people at the bottom of the uh the
financial ladder and and you're saying
you don't really know where the limit is
uh when people will start to uh Rebel
yeah I mean you know the the the old
wisdom is that people will Rebel when
they can't eat you know when things get
so bad that that you know they don't
have enough food that's when they're
they're going to Rebel um in China
though food is relatively cheap you know
so I I just just wrote an article about
this and I was saying you know you can
get a haircut in Shanghai for $5 in the
countryside I'm sure you can get one for
a dollar still um and you can still get
a meal for a handful of coins so there
is food I me these people are not
starving but in China you know the the
public education system is inadequate
and the students have to pass and do
well on the galow in order to go to a
good University the only way that that
happens is If the parents pay for
supplemental education so most families
uh are spending about a third of their
income on supplemental education for
their children so that's one of the
first things that gets cut when the
economy goes down now they can't put
their kids in school if you can't put
your kids in school or if they can't get
into University that's going to increase
the uh income disparity in the Next
Generation and it's also going to add to
the possibility that people would
protest that they would go on the street
and say you know it's not fair that my
kid can't go to university and um you
know even if they have enough food to
eat you know they're always thinking
about the future as well all right let
me let me follow up on a earlier point
that you mentioned uh and that's on how
the state gets its income so the Beijing
is trying to compete compete with the
United States in terms of military and
that takes money right so is China
getting its money the way that you
mentioned before uh when it comes to uh
military
expansion yes it is and and actually
that's why you know I'm so much in favor
of um trade restrictions on China and
investment restrictions on China because
every dollar that we give to China
whether it's through buying their
products or allowing them access to our
Capital markets every dollar is being
funneled back into uh mil Ary
development and achieving China's 2049
goal 2037 goal of uh surpassing the
United States militarily and that cost a
lot of money and Beijing needs money to
do that um Beijing unlike uh say a
western democracy in in Europe or
something would probably be willing to
allow the standard of living of the
people to suffer in order to continue to
fund the military so in other words if
the economy continues in a Down Trend at
some point she will have to make a
choice between whatever it is school
lunches and more bullets and uh there's
a good chance that she will choose more
bullets does that mean uh she would
rather have uh a more military uh
focused economy rather than for the
people I think absolutely so and and
also they have very high youth
unemployment right now and if they could
discourage young people from going to
college
there would be uh greater probability
that those kids would be willing to take
low-level jobs and then there would be
be uh you know lower youth unemployment
so right now there are some jobs
available but the kids don't want them
and I don't blame them because they pay
$300 a month you know and they went to
college and they want to have good jobs
in the city or something so if you could
discourage kids from going to college
well then you going have fewer graduates
you're not going to have so much problem
finding a placement for them you're
going to have more workers available for
the factory
and you'll have more volunteers for the
military and uh yeah I could easily see
uh she shifting his priorities which he
has been he's been shifting them towards
power and towards um achieving his his
uh policy goals as 249 goals of
surpassing the United States rather than
uh really improving the quality of life
for the people all right maybe one more
question uh do you think the state of
the Chinese economy will improve uh in
the coming months into next year the
year after because the US Federal
Reserve has hinted that they're going to
cut interest rates and that could lead
to a easier Financial environment uh in
the United States and that could have an
impact on China as well so do you think
China's situation is going to improve
you know that that that can be the case
if if the US were to cut interest rates
it might encourage some investment to
return to China um it may cause some
Capital to flow back into China so there
could could be some alleviation of the
current um Trend but I do believe that
the current trend is the the the the
permanent Trend which is a general
slowing of the Chinese economy moving
forward and eventually normalizing at
whatever the number is going to be three
and a half% growth or something like
that but uh but yeah so so you know you
always have these these situations like
you had Christmas orders Christmas
orders helped a little bit um you know
you have the uh you know the s day
purchases the all these things help a
little bit us cutting interest rates
it's it's going to help a little bit but
I mean us is not going to cut interest
rates back to 1% right they're going to
reduce them from where where they are
now so I think it'll give a little bit
of relief to to Beijing but there's so
many other problems uh that will remain
and
persist so that's including the housing
market uh Unemployment uh do so are you
saying there's a bottom to to the
Chinese economy you're saying around 3%
uh well yeah I'm just picking that
number because the US is a mature
economy but but we tend to grow at about
2% China is not yet a mature economy so
I think that it's going to normalize
somewhere around 3% and also if we look
at countries like um Vietnam and some of
the others that had very rapid growth
just like China did and then you know
then the economy start you know Malaysia
would be a good example too and the
economy begins to level off and it will
still grow probably faster than the
United States in terms of percentage
points but maybe not in dollars um so
yeah I'm not actually predicting a
bottom I'm just saying that that that is
what will happen we you know China will
reach a bottom whatever that bottom is
going to be but I do believe that bottom
will be higher than than what ours is is
negative growth likely in your
view that's a good question I think that
shortterm anything short-term
medium-term anything is possible I don't
know that long-term negative growth is
really uh possible but yeah I mean we
have these precis consistent problems
these um uh these embedded problems that
are not being addressed the youth
unemployment being one of them you know
you said the the real estate situation
you know you have tons and tons of
unoccupied unsold overpriced real estate
what are you going to do with that uh
the prices are going to have to come
down tremendously for people to be able
to afford them you can't have you just
it's unsustainable to have a market
where the average apartment is 90 times
the average salary and the irony of that
number of 90 is that in China you can't
actually own the property anyway you
just have a 70-year lease so
theoretically the the property if you
put your whole salary towards the the
mortgage every year when you died there
would still be 20 years left on the note
it still wouldn't be paid off so
obviously these are unsustainable uh you
know economic conditions that need to be
resolved and until China resolves them
any any guess on what GDP growth you
know is going to to be really is just a
guess well all right thank you so much
for your Insight today Antonio thank you
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