Lets Talk About Asian Self Hate In Dating

Let's just say a lot of people on the internet keep score. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, if we kept score, oh, man, it's crazy, dude. Wait, so are you saying, you're just like, hey, Asian guys, just don't keep score so that the problem's not there? Yeah, it's like if your parents bring you to a food court and there's an Asian place, there's a cheeseburger place, a Jamaican spot, and you go eat at the Jamaican spot, and everyone's like, what are you doing? You're like, then why do we come to the food court? You're all about saying the truth, but then not caring about it, right? Do Asian Americans have too much internalized self-hate? How does this affect dating between Asian men and Asian women, and why is this particular clip going so viral? Let's talk about it. Yeah, let's talk about it. Sunnyside TV said something and made it on TikTok. Darrell Rivera made a response. Let's run the clips. There's this whole narrative that, oh, Asian girls are always with, like, white boys, and they're getting colonized. The only reason why girls get the most hate is because of the internalized racism. A lot of Asian girls love coming on this platform and preaching that they love white men and that they'll never date an Asian guy, their own kind. What kind of guys do you like? White boys. I'm not into Asian guys. Why not? The thing is, they're a lot shorter than I am, which is something that I can't... And the thing is, majority of us guys don't care. We just hate that you guys just bash on your own race. Like, there's a huge difference between having a preference and, like, literally hating on your own kind. Common thing that many Asian women say, which is, I'm not attracted to Asian men because they look like my brother, uncle, etc. Article points out, do you ever see white women or Latina women saying, I can't date white or Latina men because they look like my brother or father? Here's the thing. All women should be able to date whoever they want. But you can date whoever you want without insulting the men of your own race. Ideology hurts our whole... At the end of the day, just do you, girl. Whatever makes you happy. Just don't make us feel any less than. I just feel like this always touches a nerve. There's thousands of comments on this Next Shark Instagram post. Joining us to discuss today is comedian Andre Kim. Hey, what's up, man? Thanks for having me on this front line of this race war. Yes, inter-race gender war, whatever you want to call it. Why does it feel like this is almost like corn tortillas versus flour tortillas in the taco world? Pineapple on pizza versus classic pizza flavors? You know what I mean? Like, it just feels like it's just something that just never ends, and the debate rages on. Yeah, I mean, to your analogy, I think it's more like the Philly roll in sushi, like cream cheese in sushi. Right. Which is gross, by the way. But it's kind of like that. I kind of like the Philly roll. You like it? The Philly roll or California roll, which is the better Americanized roll? It's another debate. I get what you're saying. It's like cream cheese is like white and creamy and American, and then the sushi roll is Asian and fishy, maybe. But I guess, like, based off what they said, I felt like that the conversation surrounding this clip is a lot better than other past clips when, like, the Asian dude is super bitter. This guy's very, like, empathetic. He's trying to be understanding. And I think what he said was very agreeable. Most people would agree. Look, Asian women, date whoever. Just don't disrespect Asian guys on the way out. Do you think it helped the conversation that they were both, like, I'd say that, you know, they're both, like, good-looking influencers in their own right. It's like, it's way different than having, you know, two curmudgeon-y looking people duel it out, right? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Um, but, uh... It makes it more viral is what I'm saying because people can more assume, make assumptions about their dating lives. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think, yeah, ugly people don't go viral. Yeah, that's true. That's real talk. That's what he's saying. Andre, I guess we were talking about earlier how the girls' clip on the Eggs and Bean podcast, she didn't deny the dynamic. She just said, I don't love the narrative. I don't love how that is the way it is. But she didn't deny it. Yeah, she's basically not taking accountability. And she's saying, I don't love the truth. Right. You know what I mean? That's basically what she's saying. Yeah. Right, she doesn't like how people are reacting to this dynamic that I guess everybody is acknowledging. Both Darrell is acknowledging it. Right. And Sunnyside TV is saying, yes, perhaps a sizable portion of Asian girls seem to date white guys. But this is how the narrative spins from that point they're arguing or I guess having feelings about it. And my point is, like, because she's like, oh, and then when Asian guys date out, oh, they get celebrated. I'm like, yeah, that's because it's like Jeremy Lin. He's the only Asian in the NBA. He's going to get celebrated because it's just rare. I'm not saying it's better. Beating the odds. Yeah, it's not necessarily better than everybody. It's just rare. And it's like, you know, representation. So I'm saying it's just the same way as you see crazy rich Asians make a lot of money or Parasite win a bunch of Oscars. You're like, oh, great, like representation at that level. And I think that that's why the comments section went to such a productive place. It was kind of nice to see the discussion move to almost want to say like a 1.5 or like a 2.0 phase. What is your general perspective on this? I know you are of two minds, Andre, because you kind of have your side where you are like, I don't care. But then you also see what everybody else. You know what I mean? Someone does care. But you see what they see, too, right? Yeah, I think it's weird to like kind of like keep score of like what, like, you know what I mean? Like, well, this race dated 45. Wait, man, this month, man. And then you got 72 Chinese catching up. It's like it just sounds like a bunch of like single bitter people. Because if you're happy in a relationship, you don't care what other people do. Yeah, what you're saying, too. I totally think that what you're saying is true. But you acknowledge that if we were to keep score, the scores might be kind of far from. Let's just say a lot of people on the Internet keep score. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, if we kept score. Oh, man, it's crazy. Are you saying you're like Asian guys? Just just don't keep score. So let the problem stop there. Yeah, I see what you're saying, though, because I know you spend a lot of time around in the in the African-American community, too, right? I guess. Yeah, I mean, but like they almost have the same split. But with black men dating out a lot more often than black women. Right. And then sometimes the same thing. Sometimes it's also the same thing with the black guys are like, oh, man. And then some black girls, they say, like, I'm happy with myself. So I don't even think about it. But then obviously some like we said, there's always a variance. And in any community, in terms of how people process the viewing of a dynamic. Right. So before we get in the comment section, David, what do you feel like is a point that a lot of people are not bringing up in this discussion where it's like, where does the self-hate actually come from? Yeah, I think, to be honest, the self-hatred from the Asian community, which may manifest itself in a dating sense. We're only just talking about one outcome of this larger symptom. Is that like I think Asians feel incredibly different to who won. Right. Like if Asians view like white people as the winners of like global history over the last 200 to 400, 500 years. However, you know, you guys, you know, you historians can debate about it. Like like you. It's like the way Asians react to that is with a lot of deference and buying into that. So they Asians themselves might feel like we're inferior. So it's at that point. It's almost like let's just say like this is like a crazy analogy, but like a dwarf, you know, like dwarf people. Right. Our little people, you know, I'm trying to use the right term to say it. Right. Peter Dinklage. Yes. He's a dwarf. Right. And there's also like other doors that are really known in the community for being like super good looking. Those people can date regular people that are not other little people. Right. Like Peter Dinklage can date like a model in the regular world or a non dwarf person, but there's other doors that are more like staying within the dwarf world. And it's crazy. I'm saying to say that, but I'm saying sometimes the Asian community can almost view ourselves as the dwarfs. Yeah. No, I think that definitely there's some truth to it. But anyways, guys, let's get into the comment section. You let us know in the comments down below what you're thinking so far, the discussion, but there's a whole bunch of comments. And yes, I do think the discussion is much better than other discussions about this before. I think as time goes on, it's just going to get better and better. So let's get into the comments. Yeah. Somebody said, yes. Internalized racism is always an issue. However, the misogyny from Asian men isn't something to be ignored either claiming that it is to protect Asian women. Like we don't have the capacity to figure out if we're being fetishized or used on our own. We never asked to be protected and we don't need the judgment either. Everyone just live their lives and mind your own Asian women are not responsible for Asian men being triggered by the system of white supremacy that we all suffer from. Yes. It all comes back to white supremacy. This is from a Asian girl that I think is, you know, this is, this was one of the top comments that got upvoted. I would call that a moderate pro Asian female comment, but not like 10 out of 10, you know, like a seven out of 10. Well, how do you, how do you feel about that comma Andre? Like, I guess like, does it, it makes sense. Well, I think it's weird to like say it's something's misogynist when you're kind of just criticizing a community. You know what I mean? It just shows how sensitive people are. You're saying misogyny is kind of a strong word in this case. It's like dramatic. Yeah. Because you're saying Asian guys that haven't really, when it comes to this conversation, they're really it to be honest, if anything, it sounds more like complaining from Asian guys. Yeah. We're just like, we're just kind of like, we're not even protesting, but I think a lot of Asian guys are like, Hey, what's going on here. That's what, it's just like a guy in the corner being like, whoa, you know, at one point back 10 years ago, I felt like it was even taboo for Asian guys to point it out. Nowadays, you know how everything's out in the open and everybody's canceling everybody. Yeah. It's like, no, everybody's just saying everything now that they notice. Right. Yeah. I just think it's dramatic. Like, you know what I mean? You say one little thing about the community and now you're misogynist. I mean, that's a heavy label, dude. No, no, it's a strong, it's just a strong accusation. But Andrew, to your point, I think that, you know, Sunnyside TV, she came moderate with it. I think Darrell Rivera, his response was moderate. So that's what triggers all these thoughtful, moderate responses. This is a moderate pro Asian male comment. I think it's important to acknowledge that we can't look at Asian American and Asian American women as if they've had the same cultural standing throughout history. Historically through media and just American culture, Asian men have been desexualized and seen as undesirable. Whereas Asian women have been put in the complete opposite situation, although they were being completely fetishized and sought after. Personally, I have some issues seeing Asian women with white guys because of this. I do, have no issues at all. Dating them, seeing Asian women date people of another race. It just personally sucks to grow up and through Western media and see Asian women always following for a white guy and then doing so in IRL. Oh, because yeah, it is true in commercials and everything you see. Definitely that couple, it's very common. Would you agree that this was more moderate pro Asian male the other way, but not, but still a little balance. That seemed more fair. Yeah. You know what I mean? Seem more neutral. And I don't know. I think it's one of those things where people grow up with, with white males being the lead role, like DiCaprio or something like that. So I think, I think because we're in living in Western society. So I think that's why the wiring of people's brain, I think that they're attracted to that more. Yeah. I mean, obvious. I always think media plays a part. Of course, media influences your life, but also it's just like your environment, you know? And for whatever reason, like there's girls who grow up around a lot of, you know, strong Asian dudes who still like Asian men, even though they consume a lot of Justin Timberlake, and Leonardo DiCaprio, Chris Hemsworth, like they can all still find those guys attractive, but they still like, like to date. What did you think about his comment where he said, due to the media of seeing Asian women, always being paired with white guys. That's why that's the only one that triggers me. I never get triggered when I see an Asian woman out with a black or Latino guy or like an Arab guy or something like that, saying that there's no media context to make him feel bad about that. But you know what I do? And I understand why this is, but I kind of hate that we have to put so much focus on white dudes. But of course I know why we do, because they it's, that's the most common, like couple that we see, like interracially, that's a very common couple. Then we see that everywhere. Specifically Anglo scandal. I mean, I broke it down before. Yeah, but I just, I just kind of hate being like, Oh, the white guy's doing this. That's true. If you're white and watching all this, you're probably like, I don't know what you want from me, dude. I'm just *******, I'm just living my life. I'm killing it, dude. You want me to just like, play, play the white guy real quick. Hey man, white guy. You, you, you're like dating a lot of Asian women. What's up with that? What do you, what should I, what should I do? How should I feel? I don't know. Maybe you should get surgery or something. It's pretty nice, dude. I'm killing it with these odd Asian chicks. Dude, I think a good looking white Chad, if they're like, got some swag or whatever, they'd date anybody. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like a little bit more like, you know what I mean? And you know what it is? I don't always want to focus on Asian and white, but like it is like, I mean, they just date a lot of ethnic women. Anyways, guys, let's get into a firmly pro male Asian. So like we said, we had moderate comments supporting both sides. This is more firmly in one camp. I think it's an interesting dynamic worth talking about. I come from a perspective that Asian American guys have been unfairly placed lowest in the attraction dating pool due to all types of biases and white guys are at the top and they could plausibly date any race that they want. So every time an Asian girl dates a white guy, that's one less option for the Asian guy and the pool for us just gets smaller and smaller. That, that is true. You know, statistically on, on dating apps, Asian men have the least amount of like matches. Yeah, percentage wise, even lower than like, um, like black women, which people always say black women have the hardest time. They're saying they compare those dynamics, right? It's also like this, um, you know, I don't want to fall into this, like, um, victim mentality, but it's, it's just the truth. Right, right. You're all about saying the truth, but then not caring about it. Right. I feel like that's like, you're David's funny dude. Like you're like saying, yeah, there's, you know, that's the macro score. That's how many home runs Barry Bonds has, or like McGuire has, but like who cares, dude? Yo, don't be calling out my playbook right now, dude. Dude. Was that, was that you back in school? You're like grades. Yeah. Grades, but who cares? Yeah. Hey, grades do determine the college you get into and the college you get into does determine a lot of your life, but who cares, dude? Uh, but, but going off of Nelson Yong's comment, uh, we, we know. Yeah. Nelson's, Nelson's a good guy, but I think there was actually a debate underneath his comment that was like, well, why do you feel like Asian women are in your pool? Why don't Asian men just be dating all different types of women? And then there was a whole conversation to be like, well, a lot of non-Asian women, uh, don't like Asian men. Now it's increasing. We understand. It's changing. It's 2023. The, the extrapolation of the trend. Like I said, guys, Asian men, just trust me. You're in a way better position than it was 15 years ago. So cherish this moment and keep the ball rolling. But, but yes, it's true that less Asian, less non-Asian women are interested in Asian men. I do think, and I'll always say this about Asian dudes. I do think they focus on Asian women, maybe a notch more than they should. Like they're like, Oh, you're saying they have the blinders on to the whole field. Yeah. Like open yourself up just a little bit more. That's fair. This is an interesting point because you were bringing up the, the similar situation of, I guess black males date out a lot more than black females do. And Asian females date out a lot more than Asian American males do. This is a comment from a black woman herself. This is the same argument with black men who don't date black women. It's really sad what colonialism has done to all of us. This is from a black woman. Yeah. And then said, yeah, some more comments from black women were like, yeah, this is the same conversation. Black men, all we want, all we want as black women is for black men to keep our name out of their mouths when referring to their dating preferences. She put a lot of the clapping hands. So, so this is kind of going back to the whole, like what the Filipino guys said in the beginning where he was like, listen, Asian women date who you want to date, but you just don't got to diss Asian dudes. Don't diss Asian. What's the point? What does that do? Why? Just go on and live your life. Everybody's fine. We're not stopping you from doing anything, but can you just stop talking about talking down on Asian men? It's like, we live in America, dude. Like your parents, if you had immigrant parents, they moved here and there's a bunch of races around. Like, and you, God forbid you did. It's like, why live here then? Are you saying it's like the food court? Like you walk into a food court, there's all these different stalls. Yeah. It's like, if your parents bring you a food court and there's an Asian, you know, place, there's a cheeseburger place, a Jamaican spot. And you go eat at the Jamaican spots. Everyone's like, what are you doing? And you're like, then why do we come to the food court? I don't know. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying, but isn't it a little bit, I will say I'm playing the devil's advocate here. Isn't it a little bit different than a food court? Cause a food court, they always want you to be their customer. But I feel like a lot of Asian guys feel like, like it's almost like they had, uh, they got into the food court and they were like getting denied access to some of the other food stalls from other international. I'm not saying this is true. I'm just saying, this is the perception. That's the problem with analogies. It's not going to be a hundred percent accurate. You know what I mean? Of course in the food hall, everybody is like coming up. Yeah. But, but I think that, uh, he's doing that thing. Like food courts don't have feelings. You know what I mean? Well, there's people out standing outside of the store and be like, come here, eat here, man. You, are you hungry? Right. You want the teriyaki chicken? Oh, you want the, I would say it's almost more like if you're pledging a fraternity or sorority, getting like a bid from like some sort of exclusive club, right? Well, that's why a lot of Asian guys are moving outside of the country and going to Latin America where they feel like we're going to bring this up. Like they feel, they feel like by going elsewhere in the world that, you know, that food stall is being like, Hey, we're welcoming everybody. Come on down. Boys are like, maybe they don't sound like that. Cause they're more like, I'm not gonna lie. Poppy, poppy, poppy. I'm not gonna lie. After a certain point, it just sounds like a bunch of dudes that don't get laid. Yeah. She's just so, so bitter after a while. I see where you're coming from. No, for sure. I mean, I used to, I used to be the same way. I think it also comes down to like, sometimes you have to do reflection on yourself and maybe be like, maybe I just don't have good games. You know what I mean? Cause I used to say this thing. When stop, Asian hate was a thing. I made a video. I was like, stop Asian. Hey, how about you? More Asian men, huh? How about we do that? You were encouraging that as a way to contribute. Yeah. You don't want to donate to this charity. Right. It's also, I don't know. It's like, it's like, like I said, with the keeping score thing, like with dating, it's weird. It's like, where do you draw the line? It's like, if you had like Jamaican today, are people going to be like, man, what's up dude? You know, it's like, you just keep track of every time someone hops out of their, their race. Yeah. I don't know. I think dude, where do you draw the line on that? I know what you're coming from. I know where you're coming from. Somebody said, uh, I don't feel like it's actually internalized racism. It's more just like trauma from my own experiences. I no longer want to be part of the Asian culture or the Asian world. I don't want another Asian mother in law in my life. Mine is enough to deal with. I just don't, like the culture. And to your point, it's almost like the food court analogy. So this does end up fitting. I'm like, I'm tired of being Asian, walking into the international food court and eating Asian. That's what they said. That's what these girls said. Oh, I think I found a match. I like, you know, I think there's so many reasons. And I think some reasons sound more legit than others. I think this reasons, I give it like a five or six out of 10. It's not a horrible reason. No, I've heard it before. Is this based in like legitimacy? You know? And if this is how they feel, I don't want to take that away from them. Obviously the whole, like, oh, they look like my brother thing. It's like, how many brothers you got? You know, that's stupid, but everybody from the same ethnicity actually looks like. Yeah, but I understand where, cause maybe if they go to that Asian food stall and then the Asian services, like so overbearing, like how would you want to eat? Huh? Come on, come on, hurry up. Okay. What? You're Asian. Like, and then they just speak to them in the, in like their Asian language. And then it's like very uncomfortable for them in the Asian, but I don't want it. According to Darrell Rivera's logic, you can go to any other food courts. You can go to the burgers and fries or the steak and frites food court, uh, stall, but you just can't keep dissing on the teriyaki. Yeah. Don't. That's what he was saying. He was like, see, listen, yo, you want to go over there? I can't say anything, but just don't be over there. Yeah. Negative one star Yelp reviews all day. No, you know why you can't diss the teriyaki stall when you eat at the Jamaican stall or the burger spot is because everybody else in the foods court is going to see you talking trash about the teriyaki spot. And they're going to be like, huh? Oh, well maybe, maybe I don't want teriyaki. Yeah. That girl's talking trash on it. I heard like the chicken, I guess is like kind of dry and they give you small pieces. So I'm not going to go. Yeah, you're right. That's I, I heard they have small pieces. This girl. Hey, just don't create different IP addresses. Get the VPN. So you can leave multiple reviews, guys. Um, this, this girl said men consistently degrade women by this type of racism. And I'm not interested in male tears at all. The energy you're receiving from Asian women is the energy that you gave Asian women for decades in centuries. This is the sins of a father approach because it is true. You, we would all agree that Asia, it varies country to country is more patriarchal though, right? Yeah. Like Asia, but yeah, it's very traditional. So what do you think about the argument? It's like, this is just the get back for how you guys did us. Dude. I mean, you know, for the, you know, Chinese foot binding. My, my mama. Yeah, guys. I, I mean, dude, there was patriarchy all over. Like I'm saying the Western world, you want to point out all the things that they were doing too. I don't want to go tit for tat history for history point. Let's not do that because trust me, it's going to get really, really crazy. But I just think that like, I think this attitude from this person, like I support a lot of Asia women's opinions on this, but I, I, I'm not sure about this one. It seems a little bit unfair. You're saying, because the whole globe was patriotic for a century. You did this. And then I'm like, I don't know. I mean, she said, I don't know. I thought her point, I give it a five out of 10. Well, you can't. Yeah. The Western world was super like, you know, misogynistic and patriarchal. What are you talking about? Like, yeah, super racist. It's super problematic. Like white guys have only been liking Asian women for maybe like 50, 60 years now. Right. Well, it's because they weren't available to them. Or they were like enemies in a war too. Well, that too. Yeah. Well, yeah. It's tough to say. Listen, I don't know. Was that Tom Cruise movie real? Yes. nobody's getting mad at women who date a man for a better life. Like that makes total sense. Like if you feel more comfortable or you feel safer or you feel more accepted, that's fine. Like no one's arguing with that. Right. Well, I think that this goes into the whole like hypergamy thing dating up because this leads to our next comment saying this guy said, Oh, please date outside their race. Let's be real. Asian girls only go for white guys. I don't see them with black, Brown, Latino, or South Asian men. Like it's only the top of society. White guy. they haven't been to New York city. Everybody's dating. Everybody out here. Right. More so, but you know what I mean? I'm talking about, you know, on the people keeping the macro score, I guess tracking in their mind. Is that true? That it's mostly just like tall Anglo or scandal dudes. That's all. I mean, I, that's all I see. Yeah. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Yeah. I will. I would more say that that's the majority distribution, but like you said, everybody dates everybody. Yeah. Certain segments, you know, also to, it's like at a certain point, you just, like I said, you sound like, why are you sort of him? Why aren't you for me? Like, that's kind of like what you sound like when you keep not you, but the people, you know what I mean? Yeah. No, no, for sure. Um, somebody just said, what a generalization. I know a lot of Asian women who prefer dating Asian men or minority due to cultural issues. Nothing against white folks, but that wouldn't work for me. And then someone said, uh, yeah, it's actually more about height. It's because Asian guys tend to be shorter and that's all women care about. Do they? I feel like Asian dudes are a little above average. Like I'm five 11. Yeah. Korean guys are kind of tall though. Yeah. So, so wait, wait, where's your, where's your white girl? No, I'm waiting. Boy type of girls. Do you mostly date? Cause it is true. It's true at five 11, you do have more of a, you know what I mean? Like options as Asian guy. Yeah. You think so? I would say so. You guys mean that? I mean, I generally, you got potential, man. You know, to this point, I will agree with this. I think that height has as much, if not just, potentially with some girls even more to do with their attraction than race. Like people, a lot of, you know, different people, hard filter, like women, hard filter for typically like height and race. I don't think, I think the Asian guys height does not change the internalized self hate, but I think it changes how much non other types of women might like Asian guys. So it would open up the options for other types of women. If Asian dudes were taller. I think so. I'll be honest. I don't, I don't see height. You're height blind. But, but girls though are not. they see it. They see it. Moving on to this next one. Somebody said it actually has to do with Asian guys not liking different types of women. They only like glamorous fob chicks or ABGs. So actually I'm more of like a bohemian, like writer type. You got to click on it. I can't click on this profile, but like, basically these girls are a little bit more like hipster writer, you know, Williamsburg. Oh, I love that. Like thrift shop, you know, cause that's the type that likes comedians. I don't know. But like, I'm saying that like, they were saying that they never felt the love from the Asian guys that they felt attracted to and that they were all the chat. Asian guys were only into ABGs or like, you know, K-pop stars. I think, I think there's truth to this for sure. I agree. I agree with this. You didn't like me, but you didn't like me. You didn't show me any love. I see what you're saying where it's kind of like, well, the Asian guys didn't show me love growing up. So now I don't like them anymore. And then the Asian guys are like, what? How come you don't like Asian dudes, man? I like you. I can't see it any other way than that right now. So these are white, more Asian hipster girls that date white, skinny, tall guys that are kind of like the world traveler types, you know, with the beards, the stubble. But then there's somebody, another girl said, I am a very thick Cambodian woman and growing up Asian men, we hung out with, didn't appreciate this full body woman. So I found men that did. And obviously, uh, she's with a black guy. He probably couldn't handle you. Yeah. You're too big. I mean, don't blame someone, but I feel like Cambodian dudes would be into the thick girls. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, listen, if that's their experience, I'm not taking that. Do you think Asian guys are shooting themselves in the foot by only going for it? I'm not saying you, cause Andre, you're a little bit of a different type of Asian, but like, no, you're just not as, you know, you're not, you're not getting a major architect. You're a little bit of an outlier. I'm just saying like, do you think Asian guys shoot themselves in the foot by only liking, like just Hiyori or, or ABG 10 out of 10? What's Hiyori? You don't know who Hiyori is? Oh, I don't know anything in any references. You guys. Oh, I swear to God. Yeah. But no, to your point, I do think they, I think it is, uh, they do shoot themselves in the foot for sure. Yeah. This is a, we're getting our last couple of comments, guys. Andrew whites are still at the top of the societal food chain here in North America. Women have always been hypergamous. They have the right to like whoever they want, but aside from physical attributes, I suspect that a lot of Asian women also like white men for the societal status boost. They can enjoy the fruits of white privilege that the man gets. My sister married a white man and some Asian girls I've known also refuse to date Asians because of their poor relationship with their fathers growing up. There's multiple reasons, but I think that that is one that a lot of people do not like to talk about as much. Well, I guess we'll see how much self hatred there actually is, uh, as the generations go on and then you can't blame it on the overly traditional Asian dad anymore. So I guess we'll see in 10, 15 years, you know, when Asian people like us and like, you know, the 40 year old guys that are not super traditional have kids and then we'll see how mixed the world can be, you know? Right. Yeah. It's like, how much longer can you use that excuse? Right, right, right. Now there was like a ton of other comments, guys, we could just go on. What if they start using the excuse? My grandfather was really overly traditional and that turned me off. My great grandfather was way too traditional. It's in our DNA. You know, they started doing that. What do you think about this comment from some Asian women that said Asian woman here, it's not just about being ripped and having tattoos cause I'm not really into that. It's mostly attitude. Asian guys tend to be shy and awkward and timid and they don't take rejection. Well, that is why a lot of Asian girls end up with white guys because white guys go and talk to them and hit on them and fail, but also succeed a lot. Andre, you look like you want to respond. That's what I was saying before. You should self reflect. Maybe it's you, right? Maybe you don't have game. You're not smooth. You're not being proactive enough, not being proactive. You don't know how to text. Well, you're taking everything personally. Maybe you're too clingy. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, at some point you gotta be like, all right, I'm ******* up. Right, for sure. I guess, Andrew, let's just get into the takeaways. Like I said, we can just go around and talk about this forever because there's so many endless amounts of comments. This might, Andrew, I might want to say for NexShark, 3000 comments is like almost some of the most I've ever seen. So it goes to show you clearly a lot of people have a lot of opinions on this topic. The gender wars of the community. It just keeps continuing. Asian men versus Asian women. I think that my overall takeaway, guys, we're going to wrap up this video. Gosh, we talked about it for 30 minutes. We could keep talking about it. Um, I think that when you diss your counterpart of the community, you are dissing yourself too. And I think that as long as you disrespect Asian men or if you're disrespecting Asian women, it's all going to come back around onto you and people are not going to respect you. Um, personally, I think it's going to show. And so I think that at the end of the day, do whatever you want in life, date whoever you want, be whoever you want, but you just stay respectful, especially within your community, but also everybody else. Yeah. Uh, I wanted to circle back and, you know, I hope I don't get canceled for this, but I want to circle back to my Peter Dinklage and like dwarf comment, because I actually don't believe that the Asian community is dwarves. And like, let's just say like Anglo-Saxons or like white people are regular people, but I could see that some people, the main vitriol on the internet from Asian guys is towards girls who do feel that way. You know how, like everybody, like there's like a variance. I'm saying that, like, I think the variance between like the Asian community and the Western community, let's just say at a top end, it's more like Lexus's versus BMWs and Mercedes. You know how those are all good cars. Some girls, they, even if they're Asian, they only want Mercedes and BMW. You know what I mean? Because even though Lexus is, you could argue are like even more reliable and like got more gadgetry, nothing can be the elegance of a BMW. You know, I feel like, so, but I'm saying that I think the anger from Asian guys is, and I can't speak on all of them. Definitely. Some of them are problematic. Definitely. There is toxic Asian male attitudes, but I want to say that it's more like, they're like, dang, you're Asian. And you didn't even want to give these Lexus's and Acura's a shot. Like you did just thought they were just, you know what I mean? I did the work. I was a Honda. I was a Toyota, but I upgraded myself. I got a good job. I go to the gym. And you still don't want to test drive. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not, I'm not the Corolla. I went from the Corolla to the Corolla XSE to now I'm a Lexus ES300. And you still don't want me because you want the old BMW. You know what I mean? From like 1999. You didn't even want to take out a short term 24 month lease on me. David's like, bitch, you got all these miles on you. I think that that's, that's the only thing that I think is, is in the community. But I guess, like you said, if I was going to give advice to Asian guys, I would say, let's say, for example, you're born a Hyundai, like a base model, right? Or you're born a base model Corolla. Yeah. Upgrade. Like you said, get to a point where you're like a Lexus or you're the Hyundai Genesis. You know how the Genesis is. They're all of them. Even the sedans, the SUVs, all the Genesis's are good. So I feel like you got to do that, Andrew, but you just can't worry about the girls that are obsessed with getting, having a BM or a Mercedes. Yeah. You mean just the ones that are like open to it? Because there's some that are not open to it. It's just, don't worry about them. Yeah. Because what can you do mechanically? So anyway, guys, let us know what you think in the comment section below. Andre. It was just like our last thoughts. Yeah. I would say, you know, I don't know. It's like the staying in your race thing. And then people talk about white supremacy on here. You know, a big thing in white supremacy is staying in your race. And you just really got to be careful of not becoming what you hate. You know what I mean? Because that's a big white supremacy thing. You got to keep the blood pure. You know what I mean? So it's like you start doing that thing. So you'd be like an Asian supremacist is still in the similar thinking as a white supremacist. That's what I'm saying. Even though they're different, but there's, there's a similar dynamic. Because you're saying a thing like you're muddying the water with all the ******* blood. And it's like, well, you're kind of doing what you hate about the other. You know what I mean? Yeah. I agree with what you're saying. So you are more of an advocate for Asian guys. Being Lexuses to get sold up. Go, go drive or get sold to other communities. Yeah. Go eat at the other food stalls. Yeah. Go have a good time. Hey. What? Andre Kim. No, I believe. Oh, okay. Okay. I totally see. I think there's multiple sides to this issue and multiple ways to feel about it. But like you said, you can't change what people like. So you got to just become what some other people like. It also has nothing to do with you, what someone else does with their dating. You know what I mean? So it's like, why even bother? For sure. All right, everybody. Thank you so much. We're going to leave it right there. Let us know in the comments down below. And thank you for watching the Hop Hop Boys. Until next time. Oh, check out Andre Kim stuff. I'll leave his Instagram down below. And until next time, we out. Peace.