What Chelsea MUST DO To Win Trophies! 👀 | Cesc Fabregas & Patrick Vieira Debate

But there weren't in truth too many positives about Chelsea again tonight. They were finished five points ahead of Arsenal last season. Now Chelsea have 39 points and Arsenal have double, 78 points. That is huge, Jimmy. Particularly when you talk about the scale of these football clubs. Yeah, and that's how harsh football can be. You know, when you're not at it. When you don't do the fundamentals right. When you don't work hard enough. When your intensity is low. The intensity today was very low. Well you heard from Frag there, passive in that first half. Yeah, but we said that as well, you know. Leaving crosses going into the box easily. Not putting your body on line. You know, when you do those kind of things, the gaps are going to be big. And the Premier League is unforgivable. It's unforgivable. You need to be at it every time. And there is a lot of new players. But certain things, you know, you need to see back all the time. And that is A, hard work and rolling up your sleeves. And getting close to people and being competitive. And we didn't see that in the first half today. Frank would say himself, Cesc, that he was brought in to give everybody a lift. He's a Chelsea hero. He'd been there as a manager before. He knows his way around the football club. Would you reflect that this experiment just hasn't worked? Well, it's difficult to say. Sometimes I feel for him. And in a way, I completely understand where he's coming from. And what we've been saying here. It's just sometimes about the players. I mean, you have to look in the mirror yourself and ask questions. Because nowadays, for what I see in this new generation, not so much like 10, 15 years ago, it didn't used to happen. But nowadays, the excuse and the easiest excuse is to look at the manager. The manager doesn't play. It's 11 players who need to show up tonight. You train during the week to show up here and to show heart and to show ambition to win a football game, especially when you are playing for Chelsea, the same way that Arsenal did tonight. They didn't do that. And sometimes we need to look at the players more on what they perform than not just the easy excuse for the new generation I'm talking about, which is the easiest one, to look at the manager all the time. And I think what is being built around Chelsea this year gives players excuses. It's true that they're going through a really difficult period about what's going on at the football club, bringing players all around the places and not having time to build this kind of connection. But at the end, it's the players on the field, commitment. They have to take responsibility. And I think the players today, especially in the first half, they let themselves down. Well, maybe Frank was brought in to give the owners time to find a replacement. And it's not just the form that's deteriorated under him. It started under Graham Potter, who was given this long-term contract. Bruno had a very brief go at it as well. And he got a draw against Liverpool. And then it's six consecutive defeats for Frank Lampard. We understand that Mauricio Pochettino has had conversations and is at the front of the list right now, but nothing's happened. There are still games left this season. There's still time to have some impact on the club. You would think moving forward, how difficult is this job for whoever takes it on? It is a difficult job, of course, because it's not just about how do you want to play the game. It's about how do you manage those 35 players that you have to manage every day. Well, for context, Patrick, how many would you want to work with in a Premier League squad? I think if you have 26 players to work with, I think that is enough. So there's nine too many. There's nine too many. So how do you manage those nine players? If they have a long contract and they are feeling good in London, how do you make them leave the football club? So this is not an easy job, but this is a good job because there is talent. And we are talking about Chelsea Football Club. So this is one of the biggest clubs in the country. So it is an excitement for any manager. And Pochettino has been really, really good. And his name has been mentioned. But hopefully they will find the manager to put things right, to allow these football clubs to play high on the table again. But let's not forget something. Six years ago, we had a really bad season with Chelsea. We finished 10th, if I remember correctly. Jose Mourinho left, Hiddink came. He started to play younger players, Loftus-Cheek, Christensen, Tami Abraham, you know, to give them experience for the next year. And I remember in April, they signed Conte, who came to the training ground, spoke to us individually, planned what we wanted to do with us to start fresh a new season. And we won the Premier League against Guardiola, against Klopp, against Mourinho at Manchester United. I mean, it's not impossible. It's just, I know, I know you will tell me there's a lot of new players. It's difficult. But this happened six years ago and I was there. I lived it. If you bring someone in with the experience, with the character who can put everyone together, who can give clear ideas of what he wants to do and work hard and bring everyone on board, it's doable. Do you think that time frame is important though, Cesc, as well? You said April was when Conte came in and spoke to you individually. We're now into May. They'll report back for pre-season when, Patrick? Help me out here. Start of July, probably? Yeah, start of July, but... So you'd want to get started straight away, wouldn't you? You will want to start straight away. You will want to speak to the players to really look at who do you want to keep. You need to speak with the board. You need to explain to them the negotiation about which player I want to keep and to explain your vision. That takes time. So they need to sign the manager as soon as possible. But we've been here before with Chelsea, as Cesc says. We saw that little shot from Frank Lampard at the end. Trophies he was talking about to the Chelsea fans because they have been there and they have got the trophies on the board. Here's the tale of the tape since Patrick Vieira was lifting the trophy for Arsenal in 2003-04. Chelsea won it five times. They've been there and done it, Jimmich. Is Cesc right? Can that transition happen very quickly again? I think it can, you know. But you need to give somebody the keys. And you need to follow him. And you need to really, you know... Well, that was the other startling thing about that graphic, I don't know if you noticed. Arsenal had three managers in that time and Chelsea 15. Yeah. And the net spending as well. Yeah, but it's not about spending. I think you need to mould a team. That is going to be the most important thing. As you said, 26 players. You know, it's not the number. It's what you do with them. It's having a vision. Everybody following. Everybody being on that same page. And everybody jumping on that bus. And when you have jumped on that bus, you need to be really committed and going forward. Obviously, they need a manager. They need a manager that is used to work with young players and getting them better. Well, is that Pochettino? Well, he's got the pedigree. He's got the pedigree. You think he should get the job? That is the discussion that they need to have. But... What are your reservations? No, I don't have any reservations. If he comes in, I'd be very happy because he plays really good football. And he's done magnificent things at Spurs. He's been at a big club, PSG. He's worked with really big players. He's won the league. So he knows how it works, you know? But I don't know what Chelsea exactly wants. But I'd be happy with Pochettino if he comes. Would you, Cesc? I think so. As you mentioned, he had a really good experience at Spurs working with young players. He developed really well into a very, very good level. So why not? It's just about getting the right person, which is the difficult thing. Sorry to interrupt you. But if you go with Pochettino, you need to follow him, you know? And that is also from above. You need to really support him and stick with him, you know? And believe in him, you know? You have to give him the tools, what he wants to do. And this has to be, then, a long-term job. I know in football, yeah, he needs to win. Yes, he still needs to win matches. And he will win matches. But you have to follow him and let him be successful. But is this season over now for Chelsea, Patrick, in the sense that it doesn't matter what happens in those last five games? Is the more important thing, if we're talking about the bigger picture for Chelsea, giving more game time to those who think you're going to go forward together? Is it important that they get in the team and get game time in these last five games? I think it will be important for Chelsea to finish the season well. Five games, they have to win games because of who they are. They can't go through the season thinking it's over and being on holiday already. Well, they haven't got 40 points yet. Yeah, that's true. But they have to prepare next season. And to prepare next season is about giving time to those players who want to be here next season. But something that you mentioned, Jimmy, that's really important. It doesn't matter who is going to come. What will be really important is the person that will come to this football club needs to have the keys of the car and he needs to make decisions. And everybody at the football club needs to be behind him and to support him. The success comes with that as well. Mikel at Arsenal has been really successful because everybody's behind him. Pep Guardiola, the club at Liverpool. People are behind, people are following him. So it's important to make that decision and to be 200% behind the manager. 39 points, the gap right now. Is it going to be a lot closer next season? Well, I think so. I think so. I mean, you know, the most important for Chelsea's point of view, in my opinion, is let's ask ourselves the right question. What is the future? As a club, you have to say, what is the future? Who is my future? Like Patrick said, who wants to be here? Is it Enzo that I spent 120 million? Play him every week. Is it Mudrik I spent 100 million? Play him every week. Let them get used to the Premier League. Let them get used to the rhythm. And I think we spoke about this before. It's just these guys are going to make you win titles or not. So just let them get the experience on the pitch in difficult games like tonight. And then for next year, they will be even more ready because the Premier League doesn't wait for nobody. This is the best league in the world, the most competitive league in the world. If you are not ready, like tonight, you get beaten 3-0 and it looks like you played a really bad game, which they did. But it passes you by so fast.