CASEMIRO NEVER A RED! Manchester United 0-0 Southampton! GOLDBRIDGE Match Reaction

The reality is it just comes down to horrific officiating that is infecting this game we love and it's cost Manchester United today. I want to say a big shout out to the players as well. I've seen a lot of reaction online about passing and this and that and the other. And the reality is, have you ever played a game for an hour in the Premier League against when you've only got 10 men? I certainly haven't and I think that it's really, really difficult. But Manchester United have been robbed here. Without a shadow of a doubt, they've been robbed by appalling officiating. Player ratings mark every player out of 10, 6 being the average. Get involved in that. But I'm going to hit this straight away. I'm going to hit this straight away. No. Absolutely not. And I'm going to tell you why. You can get your rule book out. You can say it's reckless. You can do anything you like. I'm going to sit you all down and tell you why it's not a red card. Anthony Taylor gives a yellow card for it. He sees it. He says it's a yellow card. Andre Marriner, who's the VAR referee, says he might want to look at it. I think it's a red card. Anthony Taylor looks at it in slow motion because we all live life in slow motion, don't we? Why that stupid rule still exists? I mean, look, if anybody is listening, stop getting your referees to look at things in slow motion. It doesn't happen in slow motion. You should look at a tackle in real time because that's what the player sees. How unfair is it to look at a tackle in slow motion? It automatically doubles the guilt of the player because in slow motion everything looks bad. You should play in real time so that you can see what it was like for the player and why they made the tackle in the first place. So that's idiotic. But Andre Marriner tells Anthony Taylor he thinks it's a red card. And Anthony Taylor looks at it and goes, I think it's a red card. 24 hours ago, Andre Marriner watches three tackles worse than Casimiro's as the referee in the Chelsea-Leicester game and only books one of them. So in the space of 24 hours, Andre Marriner, who is the person who makes that a red card, because otherwise Anthony Taylor is given a yellow, he gets in his ear, you might not want to look at that, it's a red. So Andre Marriner makes Anthony Taylor turn that from a yellow to a red. 24 hours ago, no red card for three tackles worse. So anybody who sat there going, well, it is a red card, Mark, it's not because Andre Marriner has changed the rules in 24 hours. You can't do that in a game week. It's inconsistent. It's a farce. It's a joke. And the same person cannot change their mind 24 hours later and give red cards for things he wasn't giving red cards for yesterday. It's corrupt. It's unfair. And it's massively undermined a game of football in the most watched league in the world. And it impacts on relegation and it impacts on top four. One or two people have destroyed a game of football today and they've then gone and compounded it on a blatant handball penalty. It's just not acceptable. And, you know, I don't care if you think Casimiro's is a red card. If you're judging the tackle on its merits, you might think it is a red. But you can't judge it on its merits because you've got three incidents yesterday worse and the same official saying, no, not yesterday, but today it is. How can you have that? How can you have that level of incompetence and inconsistency in the best league in the world? So I don't care if you're a Liverpool fan, an Arsenal fan, a Southampton fan. I don't care whether you agree with me or you don't agree with me. You can't disagree when I'm saying three worse tackles yesterday. Same official says no red cards. 24 hours. Oh, yes, it is a red card. You can't you can't do that. We have to have consistency. And VAR is not the problem. The mechanics of VAR are absolutely fine. There's no point in having technology like that if the people controlling it are changing their mind every day. You can't. There's no point. It's not VAR's fault. It's the people running it is doing it. The inconsistency is killing it. And, you know, the operation of it is killing it. It's ridiculous. And it needs calling out. And look, I don't normally ask for anything. But it needs calling out because if we just go, oh, we took a point and everyone just goes, oh, it was a red card. It needs calling out because tomorrow on Sky, they'll get Dermot Gallagher on going. Well, I've looked at it and he's showing his studs straight away. I'm thinking he's out of control and reckless. The ball's got his foot's gone over the ball and he's connected with the player, which, you know, at the end of the day is what I'm saying. It's gone over the ball. He's showing his studs. Referee is right to review it. And in my mind, it's a red card. Right, Dermot, if that is your real name. Let's have a look at the same referee 24 hours earlier. Three worst tackles, not red cards. Well, you know, he's probably looked at it after the game and gone, I could have done a little bit better there. But I'll put my wrongs right tomorrow. Wrong, Dermot. It's a game week. You can't treat one team completely different to another team in the same game week. You've got to be consistent. Well, you know, at the end of the day, I've looked at it and it is a red card. And that's all we're going to get. And then it will be forgotten about. And actually, we're the consumer. We should call it out. It doesn't just, you know, it could impact our top four run. Casemiro misses four games now. Amate and Pereira, they're not missing any games for not getting a red card yesterday. We're going to miss Casemiro for four games. Four and a half games when you consider he was off the pitch today. It's not right. It's not fair. And actually, I'm going to say as well, I don't think it's a red card. I don't think it's a red card because I've played the game and I don't think these idiots have. That's not a red card. Look at Walker-Peters, the tackle on Gannaccio. Gannaccio's gone off injured. That tackle's reckless. That's a reckless tackle by Walker-Peters. It's a last-ditch tackle to stop Gannaccio having a goal-scoring opportunity. It's never a penalty and it's never a foul. But Gannaccio's gone off injured because of it. Casemiro, it's not reckless. He's making a tackle. It's because he's used his studs to tackle, but you can do that. There's nothing wrong with tackling with your studs. It's whether you are intending to injure somebody or you're dangerously reckless. There was nothing dangerously reckless about that tackle. It's a tackle he's got to make. If he doesn't make that tackle and they score, everyone's going, why didn't Casemiro make the tackle? So he's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't. Effectively, he tackles the player. The player hits the ball from the other side, which makes the ball a non-moving object. So Casemiro's ball, naturally because of physics, goes over the top of the ball and catches the player. It's a good tackle. It's a man's game. You're going to get hurt. Gannaccio's got hurt because of a good tackle by Walker-Peters. The ironic thing is, Walker-Peters' tackle is more dangerous to a player than Casemiro's because he's wrapping his foot around a player's leg. But no, you'll never get a red card for that, and you shouldn't do, and neither should Casemiro. Anyway, look, let's move on to the game itself. But it's bang out of order. You will get people who don't have very big brains going, but it's a red card, Mark. But ultimately, you're missing the point. The same referee that's given the red card today didn't give it for three worse tackles yesterday. That's not right. And it's coming to a club near you. And I tell you what, if I was Bournemouth, Leeds, West Ham, Everton, and anybody else in a relegation battle, I'd be effing fuming about that today. I might try and become a ref in the Prem. Apparently, I don't need to know the rules. There's Connor. James has tweeted saying there's a disciplinary problem with Casemiro. It's laughable. There's no discipline. I mean, I don't know who James is, but at the end of the day, James has never played the game, has he? There's no disciplinary problem with Casemiro. Oh, so he's got a disciplinary problem because he grabbed someone's collar and then he made a tackle that if he doesn't make that tackle, I guarantee James would be saying that's his fault. He's got to make a tackle. You've either played the game or you haven't played the game. Casemiro has got to make that tackle. You know, he's got to make that tackle. If he doesn't make that tackle, people will be saying, why didn't you make the tackle? It's ridiculous. I bet if he had a British passport, it would be different. The Prat, Duncan Castle, says it's a red card. Heavily disagree. So if you get the ball for... Look, Carson, don't fall into the trap. Anybody who's saying it's a red card, just sit them down with the argument they can't argue with. The red card is because Andre Mariner tells him it's a red card. The same guy 24 hours earlier lets three worse tackles go. Forget whether it's a red card or not. Well, they can't. There's nowhere to go. There is nowhere to go on that. They cannot. It will shut them up. It will sit them down. They cannot do it because they know it's inconsistent. We are going to do player ratings in a minute. I just want to say player ratings and the performance today, I just got to say, I think we are getting beyond the complete and utter shambles that is officiating in that game. I do want to say these players are playing every three and a half days since December the 27th. We are now approaching the end of March. We are still playing games every three and a half days. And I think we almost need to take a step back because we're almost forgetting, because they're defying the odds, we're almost forgetting what it's like to play every three and a half days. No other club in the Premier League has had to do it, and we're doing it. Southampton have had all week off. We played on Thursday night. Most of the team played again today. And then they've played with 10 men for an hour. It's ridiculous depths of energy and concentration needed. I can't begin to tell you how tired those players must be mentally as well as physically. I am not surprised that they're misplacing passes, and I'm 100% going to forgive them because it's ridiculous what some of our fans are complaining about. You cannot ever understand how hard it is for what they're being asked to do. And with 10 men as well, it must be mind-blowingly tiring physically and mentally. And I'm not surprised that there were so many average performances out there today. I think one or two players should have done better, though. I will go through that on the player ratings. But really, again, the defence centrally was brilliant. I thought Martinez played well. I thought Varane was world-class. They're the sort of games where you've got to look at those sort of players. And as an attacking team, it didn't quite work. But defensively, it had to work. We played with 10 men against the team that's desperate to score, and we didn't really give many chances up. Somebody's got to be responsible for that. And for me, it's Martinez and Varane. They were brilliant. And David De Gea. David De Gea made two big saves as well. So I think as much as we can be disappointed with the officiating and we can be disappointed with the energy in the attack, I think you've also got to acknowledge that we lost 7-0 last week and we played with 11 men. We played with 10 men for an hour and we kept a clean sheet. I think you've got to focus in on the positives. And those players will be feeling as frustrated, if not more, than you are because they're on the pitch. They've seen those decisions. They've seen the injustice. And they've still battled for a point when they want all three. I played the game. Makes more sense for ex-players becoming refs than pundits, says Pete. Welcome to Members Club, Jonas. Mark, the ref today got it right with the red card. The issue is the inconsistency in the fact that the ref got it wrong yesterday. The decision was right today but wrong yesterday, says Max Rogers. And exactly whether you think that or not, that's up to you. I haven't mentioned the handball. God knows what today's handball rule is. I don't actually know what the handball is today. But ultimately, Rashford's cross travels a long distance. If that player doesn't fall over, Vedkhorst is in one-on-one six yards out. He falls over. The ball carries a long way. Why should we be penalised because he falls over? Whether it's natural or not, why should we be penalised? For me, a handball is only not a handball if it's absolutely not the player's fault. Like, if they literally can't move their hand out of the way. That ball has gone so long. If he falls over and stops the ball, I'm sorry. It shouldn't be about natural handfalls. It should be about, he's fell over. You know, he's then stopped the ball with his hand. That cross has travelled a long distance. I'm sorry, I've got no sympathy for that. That's a penalty. I'm sorry, it's a penalty. And we've missed out on that as well. Disgraceful, says Jared. You know what it is, Jared? Some people think that if you tackle with your studs, it's automatically reckless and it's not. Kyle Walker-Peter's tackle on Ganaccio in the box is more reckless than Casimiro's. Casimiro is 100% kicking the ball. It's because of the other player kicking the ball from the other side that spins the ball that way. The ball spins that way and therefore Casimiro's foot goes over the top of the ball. If the Southampton player doesn't make the tackle, and fair play he does, Casimiro wins the ball and no one gets hurt. You can tackle like that. Walker-Peter's tackle on Ganaccio is more reckless than Casimiro's because he wraps his foot around him from behind to make the tackle. You could break someone's leg doing that, as much as Casimiro could. But this is just people understanding the game of football. Neither is a red card. You should be able to tackle. You can get hurt on football pitches. But we're losing the ability to understand different types of tackles and what football is. You can get injured playing football. You can hurt somebody with a fair tackle. It can happen. But we don't know what we're officiating anymore. And I don't think some people know what they're watching. They see Studs and they go, oh, it's reckless. It isn't reckless. It only becomes reckless because of the way the ball's gone and then his foot's gone over the top and he's caught the player. Never a straight red for Madrid. Two reds already in the Premier League. Bias is real. Open your eyes, James. What happened is just physics. Stud bounced off. It's a sack in. Ref's a joke. VAR's a joke. Denied one or two penalties. Should we appeal for the red card? We've got absolutely no chance. Jeffrey, welcome to Members Club. We can't appeal. You know, the red card for holding on to the collar wasn't a red card and we didn't appeal it. We've got no chance of appealing that because you're basically asking, you know, you've got no chance. Absolutely no chance. They will not come down on our side. But what I would – God, I'm choking. I'm choking on their incompetence. What I would appeal if I was Manchester United is, and I don't know whether there's any grounds for it, but what I would appeal is I would say how the hell are we being penalised for a red card by a referee who sent him off last time and it was dodgy, has done it again, but then yesterday three – basically what I would do if I was Man United is I would appeal it. I would say, look, you might think it's a red card tackle, but this referee on BAR who told Anthony Taylor to give him a red, he gave him a red card for grabbing hold of a collar and for two or three weeks after we saw players grabbing people by the neck and not getting a red card. So this is how you present it. You say, this referee's got it in for us because – and we want to appeal it and we want to go public about the appeal because we feel that Andre Marriner has got it in for Manchester United because he sent him off and he missed three Premier League games because he grabbed someone's collar. Ayoub grabbed someone's neck and for the next few weeks we've seen Ben White grab someone's neck, Erling Haaland. No one gets a red card, but Casemiro does from Andre Marriner. Yesterday there's three tackles worse than Casemiro's. Same referee, doesn't even give a red card. Only gives a yellow card to one of them. The next day he's on BAR, tackle goes in, red card Casemiro. We're appealing it because that referee is either incompetent or he's targeting Casemiro. Go down that route, you've got evidence. I'd try it on. I'd try it on because there has been people grabbing necks who haven't had red cards, but Casemiro gets one. There's three tackles worse when Andre Marriner's refereeing yesterday, no red cards. Casemiro does it today, red card. I'd go down that route. I'd expose them, I'd play them at their own game. I'd say we're appealing the tackle anyway because we don't think it's a red card, but what we really want to say is that we're being victimised by that referee on this particular player. Play them at their own game. A couple of things. First, Casemiro had zero red cards, entire career at Real Madrid. Tells you all you need to know about English refs. Second, notice how BAR started by giving Anthony Taylor a 30-second freeze frame of Casemiro foot on the leg. Yeah, Kevin, I know. You know, that's what I would appeal if I was United. I'd say this referee's got it in for Casemiro. They won't like that, they won't like victimisation, they won't like being accused of that, but they need to get themselves sorted out. Why should we keep putting up with their incompetence and inconsistency? You've got evidence there. You've got a red card for something people do every week, grabbing people around the neck, and now he's getting a red card when yesterday the same referee's letting worse tackles go. Go down that route. It's not a penalty because it's involuntary, then it's not a red on Casemiro because he got the ball first. Anyway, let's do the player ratings, otherwise I'm going to miss my pints down the pub because I definitely need them today. Right, so let me just refresh and go through the player ratings. I mean, look, ultimately it's a very disappointing result for Manchester United, but when you're playing with 10 men, I know people won't like it, but when you're playing with 10 men, ultimately you've got to look at it and say, you know, at least we didn't lose the game. Right, player ratings. Let's go with David De Gea. I'd say it was 7.5 today for me. I thought that the save, although it was straight at him with the header from Walcott, to get that up and over the bar is amazing reactions. Most goalkeepers there would be palming it either side of themselves at best. Gets it up over the bar, and then the one-on-one shot, he's beating. He's actually beating. It's just, you know, agility, and again, good use of the hands to put it out. I think it went out for a corner. So I thought David De Gea was really good today. Look, let's not have this conversation anymore. He's our goalkeeper until the end of May, and Ten Hag will make his mind up. I don't think it serves the purpose anymore to start going on about, he's the greatest goalkeeper in the world, or he's the worst goalkeeper in the world. We're Manchester United fans. He's our goalkeeper. He's kept a clean sheet today. We needed him today. I think in those sort of games, De Gea is really where he comes into his own, where our backs are up against the wall, and you've got a goalkeeper like that. So he'd be considered a man of the match to me today. You know what? Wan-Bissaka, for me, I'd probably give him a six today, but I've got to call it out. I saw somebody on Twitter. They said if Deleuw had put a performance in like Wan-Bissaka today, he'd be getting a four, and he'd be getting absolute pelters. I completely agree. I gave Deleuw a six the other day, and everyone was like, he's ----, give him a four, and I thought it was an average performance. I thought Wan-Bissaka was average today. I thought he had a couple of moments where I was surprised how he was caught out of position, but I don't think it was a terrible game by Wan-Bissaka. I'd probably just give him an average six. I can't believe somebody in the chat wants to give him a seven. Can somebody send me the link to this Wan-Bissaka conspiracy fan club? Because I don't get why Wan-Bissaka is suddenly God's gift to right backs. I like him. I've always liked him, but we've got something weird going on in the fan base that they're almost trying to christen him as the next Cafu. I mean, he's a good right back, but I don't think he's anything particular special, really. I'd give him an average six today. Varane, for me, seven and a half. Thought he was flawless today, especially in the first 20 minutes. But no, look, you don't keep a clean sheet without a centre-back like that in your team, and I thought he was brilliant today. 7.5 for me. World-class performance in a really difficult circumstance. Martinez get a seven. Early booking, which again, I'd have to see it again, but I felt that that was a bit trigger-happy from Anthony Taylor. I didn't think it was a yellow card that quick, but he kept his composure. I thought it was a bit weird that we took Martinez off for Maguire, really. I don't know what the thought process was. Maybe Ten Hag was thinking they're going to put a few crosses in the box. Maybe Martinez was tired. I don't know. But good performance from him. Probably give Luke Shaw a 6.5. I actually thought Luke Shaw had a decent game. There was a... Look, the Walcott goal, if that had gone in, that would have been his fault. But apart from that, he's playing a lot of football. He showed a lot of energy. He put some good crosses into the box as well. So I thought Luke Shaw was better than average today. Steven Rossi says, I can almost accept it if the team lose or draw because they didn't perform. But when refs ruin a game, they are undermining the product of the Premier League. It needs calling out. I don't care how many people clip me up from that bit at the start. It needs calling out. It's bang out of order. And as I said, I think the best thing Man Utd could do in response to this is actually appeal it on the grounds of discrimination in the sense that Casemiro has been discriminated by one particular referee who sent him off for the collar grab. And loads of people have done it and not get a red card. And then he gets sent off today for a foul. It's nowhere near as bad as three fouls yesterday that the same referee was officiating. It's targeted. And look, the FA will probably throw it out. But what's the worst that can happen? Casemiro today, I mean, look, you've got to give him a five. He's been sent off with half an hour gone. Whether it's a red card or not, and I don't think it is a red card, you can't really give him a score that's higher than a five because he only played half an hour. So I don't think it was a red card, but we were robbed of him and we were going to be robbed of him for another four games. Fulham in the Cup, Newcastle, Brentford, and I think it's Brighton or Everton. So it's just a joke. Seven games he's going to miss this season for ---- officiating. Bruno, probably a six today. I mean, look, Bruno for some reason, probably because he's had his name tarnished by certain liars in the media about things that weren't even true. There seems to be a campaign against Bruno who was man of the match on Thursday and then I've got people gobbing off about him today. This guy has easily played more minutes than any player in the Premier League this year. He's been asked to play centre mid, Casemiro gets sent off and people want to say he's had a bad game. I can't believe the amount of running he's done. I can't believe the amount of organising he's got to do with 10 men. You can't believe how much he's got to be a role model to those players to keep their energy up. I mean, generally, he hits the post as well. I don't know what people want from Bruno Fernandes. I really don't know. I mean, personally, I'd probably give him a 6.5, but, you know, I don't know what people want from him. Blood? I don't know. Sancho for me today, five and a half, looked like it was going to be the perfect game for Sancho, turned into the nightmare. Jadon Sancho is a really good technical footballer and I think we still need to be patient with him and I really like Sancho and he's playing at home, number 10, Casemiro behind him, bottom of the league. You think this is perfect for Sancho. Express yourself. Casemiro gets sent off. Suddenly, you've got to work hard defensively and we know that that's Sancho's weakness. He's not really defensively working hard as much as he's going to need to. It's a big part of his game to improve and that got exposed today. So, you know, I think Sancho, you know, he's still a work in progress. We've still got to be patient, but, you know, he did stand out like a sore thumb today because there wasn't a lot of attacking to do, was there? It was about defensive work and ultimately that's somewhere he's got to work on. And similarly, I probably would give Anthony a 5.5 as well. I'm not going to be inconsistent. I said before the game that Anthony scored a great goal against Betis, but if you take that great goal away, he probably played quite average against Betis because he should have squared it to Weghorst. Today, he didn't have the great goal to protect him. and it wasn't an average performance. I think that we got broke on a couple of times because of him. There was a couple of times he could have put crosses into the box and he's had a shot. So, again, same with Sancho. There's a lot of work still to be done there. It's still a work in progress and it wasn't a great day for either of our wingers today. Rashford. Look, Rashford always puts the graft in. One thing I would say about Rashford just completely came back into my head. You might see it later. First half, first few minutes, down the left-hand side, the shot's never on, square it, Weghorst has got to tap in. We've got to be better at that because ultimately, we've got 11 men on the pitch at that point. If we're 1-0 up, we've got something to hold on to. It's alright if you go and win the game anyway, but when you don't win the game, you've got to look back at those chances and go, if I'm Eric Ten Haag, I'm having a word with Rashford and Anthony and Sancho and I'm saying, we've got to start looking at the pass and not the shot because in the case of Rashford and in the case with Anthony against Bettis, Anthony doesn't matter against Bettis because we won 4-1, but he's no less guilty than Rashford just because we didn't win. Rashford swears that, it's a simple pass, Weghorst scores. We've got to start looking at that. But other than that, I thought Rashford put a shift in and it was a tough shift. Weghorst looked, I'm tempted to give him a six but five and a half is fine. He basically got subbed off because of the red card, didn't he? McTominay, I'd give him a generous six. He didn't get booked. He didn't make any massive, he nearly scored an own goal but it was unlucky. He's just a very average McFielder. Casemiro goes off and that game's over. And now, we're probably going to have to use McTominay in games against Fulham and Newcastle and he needs to step up to the plate because for me, it's just not good enough. But, I'll reserve judgment but he was average when he came on. He didn't make any mistakes. He made a couple of good forward passes but it's a drop off from Casemiro and that's not McTominay's fault and that's not Ten Hag's fault. We've got a massive void in our midfield now. Garacho was a cameo. Palestri was a cameo. Fred was a cameo. Aguayo was a cameo. And Ten Hag today, I mean it's very difficult to give Ten Hag anything other than a six because, as we said, the game as a spectacle is null and void as soon as the referee and the VAR make the decisions they make. The penalty, if we go 1-0 up, the game becomes more interesting. We've got to defend well. If it's not a red card, we probably win the game. The inconsistency in the officiating destroyed the game and therefore it's very difficult for Ten Hag to make an imprint on it so I could only give him a six really. My man of the match, I'm going to go, I'm going to go De Gea I think. I was going to go Varane but I think I'll go De Gea. Very interested to see what you all go with. Let's see who you've gone with. Yep, De Gea man of the match, 46%. Martinez got 22% and then Varane was actually in third so I'm surprised about that because for me, I thought Varane was a contender for man of the match but there we go. Ashley Reed, thank you very much for your super chat. Casemiro is getting the Xhaka treatment. Every tackle will have fans calling for him to be sent off. He is being targeted, Nicholas. He's being targeted. You make a great point. Xhaka had this a few years ago. Casemiro is being targeted and he's being targeted by a certain referee. Andre Mariner seems to have it in for Casemiro so much so that he'll change his opinion on tackles from one day to another. Casemiro never got a red card from Madrid apparently. He's now had two and it's the same referee involved. Don't forget, we've had a blatant penalty at home to Newcastle denied against us too. Surely today's officiating can't be swept under the carpets as Andy. I mean, I hope the club do something but I think the club are sort of, they just sort of think well, we'll just move past it. Look at the bench and look at other teams' top bench. This is on the glazers, says Runa. And Ashley Reed, thank you very much for your super chat as well. Well look, we've got the, we've got the the fan forum. The title of the show there is pretty much to the point. The ref is a disgrace. So get yourself over onto the fan forum. Ricky's over there as well. I'll speak to you all in a bit. I'm still live. Sorry, I'm still live here. I'm still live. Oh my God. What have I done? I think I've ended the other one. I've ended the other one. One minute. Thanks, Sam. He's messaged me as well. What have I done? What an idiot. Good job I didn't carry on and have a chat. I've just ended the old, I've just ended the other stream. I've gone into the back system and I've meant to end and they don't even realise. They don't even realise. They're still, I don't know what they're doing. Maybe they're going to start now. Well, you've got me for a minute or two. Right. Let me get this sorted. Well, apologies about that. That's on me. I just want to go to the pub. I want to go to the pub. Extra time bridge. What's everyone going to do for their tea? These things happen when you're live. Okay. Right. I'm going to push you, I should be able to push you over now. Bonus content bridge. Easter eggs bridge. Right. The fan forum's about to start. It's got Ricky and Kev and Faz and Charlie on. Get over there and they'll have their... Actually, some interesting opinions there. A couple of them say it was a red card. So, get over there and say Andre Mariner has got it in for Casamiro. I'll speak to you all in a bit.